J-Fash Unpopular Opinion thread

[Anonymous No.10551685]

let's hear them.
i'll start: modern sweet coords look really tacky most of the time

[Anonymous No.10551686]

>>10551685
them's fighting words. i think tall girls look infinitely better and more elegant than the 4'10 gremlins who compare themselves to Japanese women or act like the fashion was made for them

[Anonymous No.10551687]

>>10551685
Tea party shoes are unflattering. Why can't we have some more heel.

[Anonymous No.10551689]

>>10551686
agreed, i've learned to be proud of being tall. wish brands actually made usable adjustable straps or bodices not made for dwarfs though

[Anonymous No.10551692]

>>10551685
based. Gothic and classic master race

[Anonymous No.10551693]

>>10551686
Agreed and I’m short. Long legs look nice in any fashion.

[Anonymous No.10551698]

Girls with big boobs can still look good in lolita as long as what they're wearing fits.

[Anonymous No.10551703]

>>10551698
>as long as what they're wearing fits.
that's why they don't look good

[Anonymous No.10551711]

As a 5 foot person it's funny that short fat girls act like lolita is only made for them when I think my proportions would look better in the fashion if I was a couple inches taller. Especially since average Japanese women are 5'1" so only a few inches shorter than American average and even many of them look either a bit squat or like they're swimming in modern AP. I think long legs are really elegant and give me magical girl anime vibes so I may just be biased.

[Anonymous No.10551716]

no clue how unpopular this is but words like "jsk" and "coord" are fine online but sound awkward and clunky when spoken aloud, especially since in most instances "outfit" and "dress" are perfectly fine (unless the distinction between the jsk and the op is important in context)

[Anonymous No.10551717]

>>10551703
It's never the boobs, it's always that the clothes are too small. There's a girl on insta I follow who has pretty large boobs but can still fit most brand with little to no alteration, like even OPs like Elizabeth OP because she is a healthy size.

Too many other big boobed girls are actually plus sized at least by lolita standards and don't realize it so they blame the boobs when the overall fit is off. If you wanna be chubby, fine, your health or weight is not my problem, but at least tailor your piece to fit or go for ones with measurements that will actually have enough room to spare.

[Anonymous No.10551720]

>>10551716
do people actually say jay-es-kay irl? everyone i know just saysthe full words jumperskirt and coordinate.

[Anonymous No.10551722]

I appreciate when people experiment within the fashion even if it isn’t totally successful.

[Anonymous No.10551723]

IW long cuts are the devil, fuck tallitas for bringing this curse upon us

>t. angry hobbit classicfag

[Anonymous No.10551724]

>>10551720
YouTube lolitas definitely have said JSK that way for years. Everyone I've ever watched shortens it. As do most people I know irl. We do usually say the full word for coordinate though.

[Anonymous No.10551726]

>>10551717
Nah the dresses are definitely cut for flatter chests. You can call me chubby if you want, but I’m a small person with a decently sized chest for my size. Even though there’s plenty room to spare, I think dresses would look nicer on me if they sat flatter. The other day I realized AP USA’s mannequin looks off because it actually has boobs.

[Anonymous No.10551729]

>>10551723
hard agree, though I don't think it was caused by tallitas, but rather older Japanese lolitas who feel the need to hide their short legs because short legs are considered ugly (which I find strange because western normie fashion always tells girls with short legs, and short girls in general, to wear short skirts in order to elongate the leg area)

[Anonymous No.10551732]

>>10551729
Nayrt but I heard older lolitas wanted to hide their legs because Japanese women are skinnyfat (or just low muscle tone) and when they get older they dislike the way they show age or look in general.

[Anonymous No.10551740]

Going blouseless isn't always bad, but it depends on the coord. I remember seeing a cute country-adjacent sweet coord that was blouseless and it looked cute

[Anonymous No.10551744]

I think its not ok to call lolita fashion lolita outside of Japan, because unlike in Japan white people have connotation of such name. Tag your Instagram posts egl and jsf

[Anonymous No.10551748]

>>10551744
On the subject of tagging, I feel like lolitas on ig need to tag dresses with generic print names with a suffix at the end, in order to separate regular normie photos and lolita photos, like instead of tagging a British bear coord with '#britishbear', it should be '#britishbearegl' or something

>t. doesn't want to see fat old British men when searching for British bear coords on ig

[Anonymous No.10551750]

>>10551711
Agreed, I like the look of dresses that hit just above the knee and as a fellow 5' goblin, most modern AP looks baggy and huge on me. I wish AP would just pick a size (or maybe even a couple sizes) and stick to that instead of trying to make dresses that fit S-3XL.

>>10551685
I think chubby lolitas really adorable in pastel vomit sweet, something about how soft and squishy they look feels very cute to me.

[Anonymous No.10551751]

>>10551748
I agree but i think it would be better as printnamejsk or printnameop so other people can easily search for inspiration. Also we need to make popular tagging your main piece

[Anonymous No.10551752]

>>10551744
idgaf about instagram tagging or what we call it on lolita-specific social media but when people are discussing the fashion irl with normies it's so uncomfortable. i get so irritated when people come up to us at meetups with questions and there's always that one (usually younger) person who actually calls it lolita when explaining it to them.

can some bigname lolita do a psa on one of those shareable insta slide decks giving people alternative things to call it when talking with strangers about it

-japanese street fashion
-japanese subculture fashion
-egl
-just tell them the brand of the dress you're wearing idk. "it's called metamorphose"

[Anonymous No.10551753]

>>10551685
My unpopular opinion is that normies were right about lolita looking dumb on adult people, it objectively is. You don't even start on your regular age in fashion bullshit, I mean everyone older than 21 yo. It's rather about carrying something cute on your body rather than adorning it.

[Anonymous No.10551755]

>>10551753
are you specifically talking about sweet or lolita in general (like oldschool, classic, gothic, etc)?

[Anonymous No.10551759]

>>10551753
Slow down ESL chan and explain to us what you're trying to say a little more clearly

[Anonymous No.10551760]

I think non anonimous lolita groups should stop demonising cgl and use anon = ban policy. We have so many great threads here and people can be really eager to help with a good piece of advice.

[Anonymous No.10551767]

>>10551760
The online comm thread and shitty threads like it are the shit that causes everyone to treat using cgl as an excuse for instant banhammer. Also the general association with 4chan and the unsavory aspects of it are hard for normies to ignore, especially when we have coomer cosplay threads around as well that people will be offput by.

Irl comms have good reason for being sus of cgl if they've never been here, but it shouldn't merit banning people the way some comms do.

[Anonymous No.10551777]

>>10551767
lolitas aren't fucking normies.

[Anonymous No.10551781]

>>10551685
None of the weebs that are into “J-fashion” know anything about what is actually considered fashionable in Japan. It’s all just decora and other crap that hasn’t been seen in over a decade

[Anonymous No.10551782]

>>10551777
Many lolitas are normies except for lolita. But by normie I meant non 4chan users.

[Anonymous No.10551783]

>>10551781
People like what they like whether it's currently trendy or not

[Anonymous No.10551791]

>>10551781
This is true but I think it's more about loving the hayday of harajuku fashion. What's popular now is pretty boring and watered down. The coolest outfits are the ones that don't fit into any category or style. That's what the western fashion comm is missing desu. Everyone just wants to copy the harajuku outfits while the people there actually make their own style.

[Anonymous No.10551792]

>>10551783
That’s fine. I just find it funny that the term “J-fashion” basically translates to “dead Harajuku tends.” Just seems a little disrespectful to the actual culture, but fetishizing an idealized Japan is just what weebs do huh?

[Anonymous No.10551794]

>>10551792
Japan during the time these fashions were popular wasn't idealized at all any many of them grew out of a desire to rebel. I don't think you have to fetishize or idolize a time period or fashion to think it's cute or cool and want to wear it.

[Anonymous No.10551800]

>>10551792
a lot of us started wearing those fashions when they were popular, and kept wearing them. some people in japan also do this. do you expect people to just sell all the clothes they like and buy new ones to be trendy?

[Anonymous No.10551806]

>>10551800
No, of course not. I just wouldn't call it "J-fashion" when it only reflects retro-harajuku styles that were incredibly niche to begin with. Rie Kawakubo is an incredibly celebrated Japanese fashion designer, but i somehow doubt the western "J-fashion" community would consider Comme des Garcons to qualify

[Anonymous No.10551807]

>>10551800
Don't worry about them anon. This person is just one of those people who have a weird desire to call anyone who likes something Japanese a disrespectful weeb fetishizing or uneducated about the culture.

[Anonymous No.10551808]

>>10551806
Comme des Garcons is mostly popular for its hypebeast normie wear, it's technically j-fashion yeah, but it can fuck off.

[Anonymous No.10551809]

>>10551781
>>10551792
>>10551806
when the west says "j-fashion" they mean "*alternative* japanese fashion" not regular japanese fashion. japanese fashion is pretty normie and most likely doesn't interest many of us, just like how normal western fashion doesn't interest people into alternative styles like goth etc.

[Anonymous No.10551816]

>>10551808
Comme des Garcons is not the same as CDG Play. Someone that actually understands Japanese fashion would know that

[Anonymous No.10551819]

>>10551816
But the majority buying are buying the toned down shit not the high fashion stuff, like any brand, even lolita brands have this where fashion show pieces are more artful and extravagant but what they actually sell regularly is more toned down. I don't think it's ugly but as a previous anon said it's not really alternative fashion just because it's fashion from Japan. If you like non alt Japanese fashion and find peoole into alt fashion so disrespectful and uneducated just go to /fa/ I guess?

[Anonymous No.10551821]

>>10551724
That's really silly considering JSK has the same number of syllables as jumperskirt. It's not even shorter!

[Anonymous No.10551824]

>>10551821
No idea why, just a habit people seem to have developed lol

[Anonymous No.10551825]

>>10551819
Yes, but people don't call it "Retro/Alt J-Fashion," they just call it "J-fashion," which is weeaboo as all hell

[Anonymous No.10551826]

>>10551825
>putting an adjective in front of j-fashion makes it go from weeb to non weeb
do you have autism or

[Anonymous No.10551827]

>>10551825
A this point you're just baitin'

[Anonymous No.10551828]

>>10551807
well i'm haffu so i don't care.

[Anonymous No.10551832]

>>10551826
This. Plus we clearly shorten things in lolita at least all the fucking time like the OP, coord, and JSK discussion currently going on, so just cause we say j-fashion doesn't mean we aren't referring to specific alt-fashion styles. Which aren't all retro considering many of them like lolita and decora/similar colorful but unnamed styles are still common styles people actually wear and brands make new pieces for. Some of the styles are mostly dead but not all so adding retro is too specific as well. Retro feels more applicable to the overall style of a particular era like 80s or something, not niche fashion subcultures or styles from various generations some of which are still worn and evolving.

[Anonymous No.10551839]

>>10551832
who thinks that stuff that was popular in 2010s is retro anyway?

[Anonymous No.10551840]

>>10551827
it's called an unpopular opinion thread. I said my opinion, which is unpopular. I used to frequent a bar in Urahara back when I was in the JET program. The amount of cringe tourists I've seen on my commute has left me a bit salty regarding how Japanese fashion is misportrayed in weeb circles. You should dress how you like, but holy shit try a coord that's actually from this decade.

[Anonymous No.10551841]

>>10551840
>holy shit try a coord that's actually from this decade.

Do you say this shit to historical fashion and pinup enthusiasts or is your outrage only selective to Japan you weeb?

[Anonymous No.10551842]

>>10551806
j-fashion is more succinct than any other name

[Anonymous No.10551843]

>>10551840
The opinion that modern jfashion in the west is very different from Japan isn't unpopular, it's a fact. People just find your desire to accuse everyone of being a weeb stupid.

[Anonymous No.10551844]

>>10551840
Old school is way cuter than modern lolita so nah

[Anonymous No.10551846]

Dresses that hew too closely to historic women's fashion tend to look really awkward. If you're shortening the hem to be knee-length, the whole design needs to be rebalanced to account for it.

>>10551722
This.

[Anonymous No.10551847]

>>10551840
Pure brain rot

[Anonymous No.10551852]

Cutsew OPs look awful. Nobody asked for a poncho

[Anonymous No.10551865]

>>10551840
I will wear gyaru until i die, bitch, you mad?

[Anonymous No.10551867]

>>10551846
I don't disagree but do you think it also depends on the height of the person? like, if a short lolita wears a knee length dress, she doesn't need much drapery to make her skirt look long on her body (I'm not just talking about sizes/lengths of fabric suitable for different heights), and possibly overwhelming her frame, whilst a person that's taller will need more to have the same effect

idk maybe I've been watching too many Aly Art kibbe vids

[Anonymous No.10551868]

>>10551867
ankle length*

[Anonymous No.10551888]

>>10551687
you can, just buy the high heel version

[Anonymous No.10551891]

>>10551852
lol just bought this op, though it's for comfy at home

[Anonymous No.10551916]

AP and Baby stuffed animal bags don't look any better or more high end than any other stuffed animal bags.

[Anonymous No.10551919]

>>10551916
Kumyas have articulated limbs so technically more features in that they are posable. But yeah otherwise quality isn't superior, but we don't buy stuffed animal bags for quality (or even) function, they don't hold shit) their characters/designs are just cute and appeal to people. Except some AP ones. The non Shanghai Lyrical Bunny and Shyness Bear plush bags give me nightmares.

[Anonymous No.10551921]

>>10551723
Agree, emphasis on the ree

>>10551716
I hate when people say J-S-K out loud, especially because as another anon said, it's the same amount of syllables.

>>10551740
Agree, there's lots of dresses that look great or better blouseless, especially a lot of fluttersleeve classic stuff and casual/summer coords.

>>10551748
Probably the best format would be BrandPrint so in your example, #apbritishbear

>>10551806
If Kawakubo, a designer who peaked in the 80's-90's, is the first example you're coming here to complain about, I doubt you actually know anything about current trends. You sound like baby's first fashion student who just discovered CdG and Yamamoto exists, lol

[Anonymous No.10551927]

Not rly unpopular but I dislike when it looks like the fashion is wearing the person and not the person is wearing the fashion. You should dress in a way you are comfortable. When someone looks completely different and has to go through 3 hours to get ready, it just doesn't seem like they take it as fashion and more of a costume.

[Anonymous No.10551928]

On tall lolitas, its so cute when they go with tights instead of an underskirt for modesty so there is a little pop of different color or pattern betwen the skirt hem and socks. It's so visually pleasing to me when done well.
Also, I love that AP sometimes seems to put crosses where they don't belong on prints. It's so funny to me.

[Anonymous No.10551929]

Most 'oldschool' nowadays that I'm seeing on the social media and also the threads here doesn't have the same feel as the Harajuku young people in our beloved snaps.... it feels way too try-hard and forced, no matter who it is and how it's worn... it feels like people are looking for something that just isn't there. I love oldschool, but I don't think just because you wear it, you're automatically 'edgy' and should be celebrated. Just wear what you like but stop pretending you're amazing shit.

I really dislike the current Chinese market

I'm really over people here on CGL just like immediately attacking and swarming on bigger women/girls in egl fashion. like what do you care, seriously. just wear your own dresses and you do you. The trend worldwide will be towards becoming fatter/unhealthier because this is what ease and wealth and screens do.

[Anonymous No.10551930]

>>10551927
>every ott sweet coord

[Anonymous No.10551932]

Socks with tights can look good if coorded well

[Anonymous No.10551937]

I am a huge chonk, but I am sick of seeing MuH IclUsiVE SiZInG posts on FB. Just, stop. We have options, AP doesn't owe us anything, and honestly, I don't want people looking at me and assuming that just b/c I'm chonk, I'm some kind of fat-positive nutjob, because I'm not. In trying to lose some of the weight and in the meantime it's alter, alter, alter. Just get over it. Acting like spoiled fatties isn't doing any good.

[Anonymous No.10551964]

>>10551929
Yes, agree on everything

[Anonymous No.10551966]

>>10551825
Fashion doesn't mean only "trendy clothes". It can also mean dressing culture build around specific time period or subculture

[Anonymous No.10551969]

>>10551781
"i'm not like those OTHER weebs!!! i totally know what's trendy in almighty japan right now!!! no one else knows!!

[Anonymous No.10551970]

We should not direct newcomers to Lacemarket to buy their lolita. There's been an influx of really awful buyers who don't understand how buying used clothes works and the rude offers/messages/trying to BIN items I have on auction are almost always from new accounts. The should learn about brand quality from buying direct (even if just from Taobao) first before they get something on LM and take out their disappointment on the sellers.

[Anonymous No.10551972]

>>10551970
just direct them to closet child. closet child is so easy and cheap, i don't know why we direct newbies to bodyline or taobao or lacemarket or even high-priced wunderwelt when closet child exists. it's perfectly usable with google translate even for the newest newbie

[Anonymous No.10551973]

>>10551970
We should not direct noobs anywhere, if someone can't google, its not our problem.

[Anonymous No.10551975]

>>10551972
Yep, the shitty leftovers for stupid itas

[Anonymous No.10551982]

>>10551840
>a back when I was in the JET program
Oh, so you're one of those people that worked as a glorified clown and think they're an expert in all the things japanese, huh.

[Anonymous No.10551995]

>>10551687
I agree with this 110%. Flats/tea parties just don’t really look good for 90% of the people I’ve seen wearing them.

[Anonymous No.10552001]

>>10551970
THIS. Holy fucking hell it's been a nightmare selling on LM lately. The whole reason why LM works is because it's a bit insular, and those involved have strong norms about what is acceptable on the app.

[Anonymous No.10552003]

Unpopular opinion: All comms should be 18+, in both age and behavior. I'm so fucking tired of babysitting both actual children and emotional children. I'm tired of being expected to look after and make sure 14-16 year old girls don't break shit and get home in one piece.

[Anonymous No.10552041]

I really dislike current sweet lolita. It looks like freaky ddlg baby clothes crap and i feel bad for even looking at it. I hate the babydoll waist and the giant poofy skirts that go above the knee. I hate it with the plushy bags. These things are fine on their own or tempered down but all together, its a horrid mess.
We need to make it a bit more lady style instead of kid style. Like emphasize the waist a bit more. Make some longer skirts and remove the poof a little.
Oldschool sweet lolita was dope and didn’t give me pedo vibes

[Anonymous No.10552045]

>>10551973
I agree. I've been into lolita for over a decade now and it seems like giving noobs so much information up front has created an overall decline in community quality, both in coords and discussion. Plus look at how hard it is to find good secondhand and how many scalpers there are now.

[Anonymous No.10552046]

>>10551685
I VEHEMENTLY HATE Otome No Nostalgia. It's so fugly, but everyone seems to be in love with it right now and I don't want to rain on anyone's parade.

[Anonymous No.10552050]

>>10551752
Being vague about it makes it worse, especially if they do go look it up later. "It's a fashion from japan called lolita". be straight forward. most normies these days dont know about lolita the book or lolita the term these days.

[Anonymous No.10552052]

>>10551806
would you call a foreigner interested in western 50s fashion to be an imposter? no, because a ton of people still wear vintage inspired 50s clothing. stuff goes out of style, but most alt fashion was never really "in" style on a massive scale anyway. who cares?

[Anonymous No.10552053]

>>10552041
Wow, 2010 really did come back around

[Anonymous No.10552055]

>>10551687
Agreed, I really hate tea parties as well.

On that same note I think that wrist cuffs are really inelegant and look stupid. I hate it when people recommend them to noobs as well because you just know they’re going to end up looking like cringey weebs.

[Anonymous No.10552057]

the louder someone witchhunts about kinksters in lolita and gossips about who is secretly into ddlg, the more suspicious i am of them.

[Anonymous No.10552060]

>>10552041
>lady style instead of kid style
Aging is already shifty enough, let people be colorful.

[Anonymous No.10552061]

>>10552053
Time really is a flat circle anon.

[Anonymous No.10552062]

>>10552041
>lady style instead of kid style
Aging is already shitty enough, let people be colorful

[Anonymous No.10552063]

>>10552062
Well i wish they could be more colorful like this or something which would be nice. This is an unpopular opinions thread after all, i’m not the fashion police. I still think modern sweet looks gross

[Anonymous No.10552065]

>>10552063
all you sweets look like age players no matter what era you're in

[Anonymous No.10552066]

>>10552063
>I wish people would enjoy themselves only in the specific way I want them to enjoy themselves

[Anonymous No.10552068]

>>10552046
I liked it until I purchased it and saw it in person. Not as cute in person and the material feels awful. VF keeps making pieces that only work as skirts somehow.

But I do want that Meta cookie print that people wrongly claimed VF copied the design for Otome Nostslgia.

[Anonymous No.10552071]

>>10552065
>thinking pink and white are inherently ageplay

Are u ok?

[Anonymous No.10552072]

>>10552065
I’m not even sweet lolita i wouldnt touch that with a 10 foot pole. i’m just jfash

>>10552066
Actually you’re right. its not my problem at al if you want to look like pedo bait or if you also want to put on a paper bag with ‘angelic pretty’ sharpied onto it and call it lolita.

[Anonymous No.10552076]

>>10552003
This. dear lord. The number of times I've had peoples parents just assume I'd be ok to drive their kids home from a meet up or whatever is too damn high.

[Anonymous No.10552079]

>>10552057
kek. Me too. Honestly, anyone THAT concerned with what other lolitas do in the bedroom will always read to me as a closet kinkster who never got past their internalized shame.

[Anonymous No.10552080]

>>10552072
pedos dont want grown women wearing overpriced japanese doll dresses, anon.

OTT sweet, with pink hair, heavy makeup and cake hats looks nothing like childrens clothing. infact, old school sweet resembles historical childrens clothing more.

[Anonymous No.10552081]

>>10552072
Yes, because the picture of two young girls eating lolipops while looking at the camera is somehow less pedobait than liking pastels and floofy dresses.

Unpopular opinion: if you don't even wear lolita at all idk if you're allowed to have an opinion on it. You're basically one step removed from a normie.

[Anonymous No.10552082]

>>10552065
I mean this is what normies will unironically think of the sweet style you hate and >>10552063 alike, they're wearing bonnets (or headdresses) and frilly dresses and holding lollipops that's pretty ageplay-ish

oldschool sweet and modern sweet shouldn't bicker with each other because to outsiders we look equally as stupid/ridiculous; the picture you posted is not ""better"" or more "mature" looking. we all look like freaks. you're saying you look *less* like a freak because you aren't holding a pony, sorry to break it to you but...

[Anonymous No.10552088]

>>10552080
That's cause they're not fishing for pedos anon, they're looking for "daddy"

[Anonymous No.10552089]

I think people should make a distinction between a modern old school lolita and the actual old school one. The original lolitas were fugly. They clothes didn't match, they often would wear accessories out of the blue, like, a cowboy boots or a kuro coord with big punk suitcase. Old school lolita was meant to disgust people, not to look like a victorian doll.

[Anonymous No.10552092]

>>10552089

I do kinda like the grungy frumpy aspect of old school. And how easy it is to coord old school sweet with all white socks and headwear and blouse. Old school floral prints give me less of that vibe though.

[Anonymous No.10552093]

>>10552089
hey mang, those suitcases were a necessity back then

[Anonymous No.10552095]

Girls who are overweight look substantially better in Lolita than ana-chans. I think having a rounder face and proportions are actually really cute in lolita and that the shape of a dress that fits is actually very flattering for fat girls.

[Anonymous No.10552098]

>>10552095
This.

[Anonymous No.10552099]

>>10552088
very very few men would be interested in a lolita, even the daddy dom type. most lolitas are far too headstrong, feminist and distrustful of men. those daddy dom types want to have weird sex in cheap aliexpress clothing.

[Anonymous No.10552101]

>>10552095
I actually think fat girls look super cute in Lolita in general. The cupcake shape hides the muffin top, and as long as the dress fits reasonably well, they have an almost chibi aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.10552103]

>>10552099
>most lolitas are far too headstrong, feminist and distrustful of men
can't tell if you're a scrote or just a bitter hag. Do you not realize how many lolitas are in perfectly happy and well balanced relationships with men and older men? Just cause your a bitter raisin doesn't mean the rest of us are celibate man-haters.

[Anonymous No.10552108]

>>10551777
Most lolitas I've met are complete normies other than wearing jfash.

[Anonymous No.10552111]

>>10552103
You can be a headstrong feminist and distrustful of men in general while acknowledging men aren't universally awful and be in a happy relationship.

[Anonymous No.10552113]

>>10552076
What kind of parent is even ok with their kids getting in a random adult's car. What the hell...

[Anonymous No.10552114]

I think but bonnets are too costumey and should avoided

[Anonymous No.10552119]

>>10552103
Most lolitas (as in proper lolitas, who wear brand and have good coordinates) aren’t going to be the type of woman who date daddy doms. they certainly any wearing OTT to attract daddy doms. parent up and get context before making asinine assumptions.

[Anonymous No.10552122]

>>10552088
NTAYRT but same difference

[Anonymous No.10552133]

>>10551970
>>10551972
Please stop directing noobs to Closet Child. Now that everyone and their mom uses it everything sells out immediately.

[Anonymous No.10552144]

Lolita should be free of politics. It should be kept as an escapist space. The amount of virtue-signalling is gross and unnecessary.

[Anonymous No.10552147]

Not super unpopular but men need to stay tf out of lolita. Go mansplain in other communities

[Anonymous No.10552148]

>>10552144
It's kinda hard. There is actual racism in Lolita and no it's not Lor's misclick nor wonderfucks nonsense. I agree it should be kept as apolitical as possible, but at the same time for some of us, just participating at all is a political statement whether we want it to be or not.

[Anonymous No.10552151]

>>10552148
If you're a black lolita just wear the clothes and do what you want? How tf is that a political statement at all.

[Anonymous No.10552153]

>>10552148
Ywnbarw

[Anonymous No.10552155]

>>10552148
>just participating at all is a political statement
This is the kind of crap I'm talking about though. I don't think anyone's existence is immediately political. Why single yourself out before you start? Just wear the clothes and enjoy yourself.

[Anonymous No.10552157]

>>10552155
>I don't think anyone's existence is immediately political

You don't but the bigots that do are the problem.

[Anonymous No.10552159]

>>10551929
>I really dislike the current Chinese market
how is this unpopular? chinese lolitas constantly get shat on here

[Anonymous No.10552160]

>>10551781
this is the whitest post i've ever read

[Anonymous No.10552161]

>>10551937
I agree with you so much and I'm also plus size. I do think it just makes more sense for there to be just two sizes these days. I know AP and Baby tried before but that was a different market. At least baby does two cuts sometimes and AP switches up the sizing on different releases. Its so annoying when petite girls bitch that a dress is too big because guess what, they're doing it on purpose so that there is variance. Not everyone is going to fit into each dress every time with the way they make them right now.

The whining on both sides is so ridiculous and entitled.


I also just really hate the word "inclusive" these days. Every time someone uses it, it just leads to something being ruined.

[Anonymous No.10552163]

>>10552161
>Not everyone is going to fit into each dress every time with the way they make them right now.

this is why they should make more skirts. no worries about bust measurements so will fit more people, easier to make in multiple sizes so both sides can quit bitching, cheap and versatile when compared to dresses, i hate that so few skirts are made anymore

[Anonymous No.10552165]

>>10552159
Different anon but the abundance of cheap tacky taobao dresses elsewhere makes me think this isn't a popular opinion

[Anonymous No.10552173]

>>10552151
>>10552155
It’s honestly kinda funny that you all legit don’t realize that your comments are proving my point.

When I wear Lolita, it’s never just a girl wearing Lolita. On the one side, there are people who have and who continue to say that dark skinned girls aren’t kawaii, and who make statements that are super offensive and unnecessary when they interact with black girls in the fashion. And yes it is a running issue that does exist from top to bottom. I have experienced this personally.

Then on the other side, we’ve got this weird trend of being “allies” and trying to leverage peak white guilt into social media points by using us as a prop, or apologizing so profusely and pathetically that you end up centering the entire issue around you.

I can’t be apolitical when other people carry over their pity or biases from the real world and the fact that you don’t see that is part of the problem.

[Anonymous No.10552175]

>>10552133
Seriously though, this. Can they just be directed to ww instead

[Anonymous No.10552176]

>>10552173
okay, cimone.

[Anonymous No.10552178]

>>10552151
ok, I'm not even black and I can see how this happens anon. For every black lolita, there's at least 3 would be e-famous sjws swarming around to use them for woke points.

>>10552176
Cimone isn't capable of having this degree of nuance anon.

[Anonymous No.10552179]

>>10552133
The noobs wouldn’t be the ones buying everything out because they don’t know to stalk and refresh for updates nor would they be fast enough or know what to grab and when/how to do it.

[Anonymous No.10552180]

>>10552176
I’m not cimone, I actually think she’s part of the problem, and I don’t think she’s ever even attempted to be apolitical at any point in her entire adult life.

[Anonymous No.10552182]

>>10552178
>For every black lolita, there's at least 3 would be e-famous sjws swarming around to use them for woke points
This. It’s been discussed before, but black women in Lolita do not need your constant ass patting, or shit stirring whenever something happens that you’ve decided we as black people should be angry about.

[Anonymous No.10552184]

>>10552173
Please provide caps of multiple people saying that black girls aren't kawaii. I've seen this statement without proof so often. It's definitely an issue in the cosplay community (there's tons of proof there), but I have yet to see ANY evidence in kawaii fashion circles, except for once, and that asshole was told by everyone to gtfo.

>>10552178
She's an obnoxious toxic mentally ill narcissist, but she's not stupid and this sounds exactly like some bullshit she's try to spin. She studied law, anon.

[Anonymous No.10552185]

>>10552173
What...? Why are you so combative and set on the idea that someone isn't going to like you or might say your coord is bad? Keep in mind not every bad comment is racist either. "You're ugly" does not mean "you're ugly because you're xyz race." Maybe someone just dresses badly or has an asymmetrical face. Also why are you making it about a single race almost instantly? This is exactly why I said what I did, and why I think politics have absolutely no place in a fashion meant to exemplify "do whatever the hell you want and look cute "
I make it a point to not speak on ANY political issue on my social media. It's bad taste in general, but why the hell would I bring it into a fashion space. I'm not using or abusing anyone and you're already being defensive because you assume I'm just another person out to get you because of your race, gender, etc. It's as if everyone else's presence is somehow offense to you if they don't cherry-pick every word said to you.

[Anonymous No.10552187]

>>10552184
NTA but naturally racist is still going strong.

[Anonymous No.10552188]

>>10552185
are you retarded or just ESL? Jeez anon. You missed the whole GD point.

[Anonymous No.10552190]

>>10552184
I had a girl tell me that black skin doesn't look good in sweet lolita. I've had encounters where people feel the need to tell me that I should be offended by x because I'm black. I've watched people flip the fuck out when 3 black members of my comm decided to have a private meet, even though white girls in my comm do that all the time with no problems. It's not some massive conspiracy to be victims, this stuff happens everyday outside of lolita, so hy ould you be so surprised to find that the same thing happens in lolita?

>>10552187
Numerous women of color have complained about her. She's still in her comm, still goes to and models at tekko. Still has over 1k followers.

>>10552185
I'm not combative, and it has nothing to do with my coords or style at all. It's just the fact that when you're Black in lolita, people are unable to just let you be. Some people have a problem because you're black, and other people are almost fetishizing it to try and prove that they're not racist.

[Anonymous No.10552192]

Please let us not turn this into a cimone thread. It's been relatively normal and enjoyable with reasonable levels of bickering, it would be nice to keep it that way.

[Anonymous No.10552194]

Itt: white girls thinking that if they can't see racism or rude interactions it doesn't exist, and that any black person ever recounting a prejudiced experience is a defensive overly political SJW.

[Anonymous No.10552197]

>>10552184
NTA but I’ve definitely seen stuff that wasn’t necessarily racist but definitely inappropriate. I watched this chick bring up BLM and the latest police shooting when they were talking to this blasian girl in my comm. We were talking about AP, and then she just randomly asks the black girl about it. I have noticed that people tend to assume that minorities in the comm think a certain way about an issue, or even would be interested to talk about politics at all.

[Anonymous No.10552199]

Black lolita: sits there
white lolita: so what do you think about George Floyd?

That's exactly what >>10552173 meant by being black in lolita as an inherently political thing.

[Anonymous No.10552201]

>>10552197
This. Unrelated to lolita but I had a friend invite me to go see Black Panther when it came out (I like Marvel movies so of course I said yes), then it turns out in addition to inviting me and my bf he invites his one only other black friend and a couple other friends, kinda weird since we usually go in a smaller group but whatever, then we watch the movie and instead of going home as usual he proceeds to tell all of us we should sit down and have a discussion about how big of a deal and meaningful this movie and its themes were...???? Like dude, I don't watch Marvel movies to discuss racism?

I feel like people prolly do the same with lolita but luckily my comm is mostly nonwhite so we don't have the weird people obsessed with proving they are informed politically or not racist and the white people around are just chill and wanna talk about clothes and other weeb or nerd shit like the rest of us

[Anonymous No.10552204]

>>10552201
I'm really tryna slide into this comm lol. I'm Latina, and I'm so tired of being roped into every conversation about immigration and walls and even trump hate ons. Like yes, Trump sucks for Latinos. You don't have to inform me of that. I came here to talk about the re-releases.

[Anonymous No.10552214]

Unpopular opinion: ott is tacky and ugly (only bc 90% of ppl can’t do it well)

Also; pastel wigs are hideous. I’d rather see someone’s unstyled hair than a greasy stringy shiny $20 wig from aliexpress with too long bangs

[Anonymous No.10552216]

>>10552214
And I guess this is also unpopular (since I keep seeing ppl say not to do this) but coording lolita with all white blouse/socks/shoes is cute. It’s old school styling? Idk why people call it ita nowadays it looks better than half the modern styled shit I see

[Anonymous No.10552217]

>>10551722
This, I like seeing interesting coords and not just the same AP set all the time.

[Anonymous No.10552224]

>>10552216
People used to call actual old school ita too. Idk of anyone but Tyler complaining about white blouses and acessories but eventually people will come around just like they did with old school.

[Anonymous No.10552234]

>>10551717
I'm a big boobed lolita and I agree. If it fits, you can usually tie the waist ties. What ends happening is people try to force the maximum size into a dress, which is why it rides up. If your chest is truly too large for brand (and your waist isn't) then seriously just order a garment that comes in larger sizes or alter it. It will look SO much cuter.

[Anonymous No.10552238]

I actually think Chinese lolitas are leading the future of the fashion, and a lot of Taobao brands are really lovely whether we like it or not. They are the ones taking real design risks and making new concepts and motifs these days. it's just a matter of time before we see ourselves drooling over the latest release from whatever Chinese brand.

[Anonymous No.10552243]

>>10552185
omg I know EXACTLY who this spazz is

[Anonymous No.10552257]

>>10552238
>a lot of Taobao brands are really lovely whether we like it or not.
There’s like, three maybe?

[Anonymous No.10552258]

>>10552216
>but coording lolita with all white blouse/socks/shoes is cute.
Right? It looks so cute and regal to me.

[Anonymous No.10552264]

Dreamaholic wigs are terrible quality and I wish people would stop recommending them for lolita.

[Anonymous No.10552268]

>>10551687
Agree, go with at least rocking horses at bare minimum or GTFO.

[Anonymous No.10552269]

>>10552268
RHS are cute until you have to walk on an uneven street or cobblestone. I love the aesthetic but I also want to not break my ankles thanks.

[Anonymous No.10552271]

Burando shoes are ok quality, they just never was made for walking outside

[Anonymous No.10552290]

I'm lowkey sick and tired of seeing boring-ass coords which are just 'a jsk covered by a bolero or cardigan of a secondary color within the dress'

[Anonymous No.10552291]

I absolutely hate the influx of newbies who buy a main piece, take a picture in it with nothing else not even a petticoat, and then broadly ask how to coord it. No input, no attempts, no experiments, just asking the community to make a coord for them. I get you’re new but have you tried anything? How do you expect to progress in the fashion if you don’t know the basics and can’t think about making even a simple outfit? I hate how much people expect to be spoon fed.

[Anonymous No.10552292]

I'm done with social media
I am just going to wear my fucking clothes the entitlement and politicizing of the younger lolitas is insane.

[Anonymous No.10552313]

>>10552082
>normies
>outsiders

implying their opinions matter at all

[Anonymous No.10552314]

I don't give a fuck about racism and I wish we could stop talking about it in our fashion communities. Keep your politics on Twitter.

[Anonymous No.10552316]

>>10552271
This is the most retarded argument I have ever heard. Shoes are made for walking in, if they break when you walk in them they're not good quality. It's not like any of us are hiking in them or trudging through snow. They should be able to handle a pavement.

[Anonymous No.10552328]

>>10552291
This

[Anonymous No.10552335]

>>10552316
This is why I buy offbrand shoes. AP and BABY shoes are just as flimsy as Angelic imprint and sosicshop.

[Anonymous No.10552342]

>>10552290
Not everyone is a conlita, anon.

[Anonymous No.10552346]

>>10552342
it's not just cons. Lots of ig coords are just that

[Anonymous No.10552351]

>>10552290
>i'm sick of coords being wearable on the daily
conlita spotted. the coords people make aren't made to entertain you, no one cares you're bored of them

[Anonymous No.10552354]

>>10552161
the fatties reeeeing about plus size inclusivity should just put down the fork. Sizes are more inclusive than ever and if you still cannot fit it's time to stop eating so much and to move your lard around

[Anonymous No.10552356]

>>10552099
Lmao wat. I've dated men from all kinds of backgrounds, some painfully normie, some that were kind of freaks, but they were all into it. Most men don't give a shit about specific fashion styles as long as their woman looks good in it.

[Anonymous No.10552360]

>>10552346
Lol you don't even understand what >>10552342 was saying. Lurk moar, newfag.

[Anonymous No.10552361]

>>10552356
>but but
dif anon, but I would like to add that just because you feel good, doesn't mean you look good. Pretty people can get away with a lot of things, even lolita fashion

[Anonymous No.10552368]

>>10552361
That was kind of my point, anon. As long as a woman is reasonably attractive and takes cares of her appearance, men will be interested, even if she wears weird alternative clothes.

Sorry you're ugly. Maybe you should work on that instead of bitching about how men don't like you because you're sooooo strong and independent.

[Anonymous No.10552399]

>>10552163
That's a great idea but I feel like it still won't stop the amount of bitching. Personally I love Meta's skirts, and high waist underbust skirts.
But the entitled people will still cry exclusion from main pieces.

Either way we need more skirts! I wish AP would do the same style skirts as Meta with their left over border fabric.

[Anonymous No.10552400]

>>10552399
Excuse the picture for ants.

[Anonymous No.10552404]

>>10552314
lmao looking for a safe space snowflake? Clearly, one way or the other, a lot of other people in lolita do care to at least talk about it.

[Anonymous No.10552407]

>>10552368
This. The power of boners is strong. For all their macho talk, men will put up with just about anything from a woman they want to have sex with.

[Anonymous No.10552409]

>>10552399
Maybe it's just me, but I've always thought of skirts as main pieces, especially when they have straps or suspenders or aprons. They're certainly not accessories.

[Anonymous No.10552411]

>>10552163
>>10552399
I'll never understand why skirt cuts tended to have the least inclusive sizing from many brands. All of my IW and Baby/Alice skirts are so tight I could hardly wear them comfortably at 66 cm waist, even though the max of many of them is supposedly 72.

Skirts with sizing up to at least 80 cm would go a long way, I think. And no more of those ugly unflattering dropwaist/miniskirts, ok, AP?

[Anonymous No.10552420]

>>10552411
Most skirts are honestly comically small. I'm "skin and bones" according to most people, but I regularly come across skirts that are too small for even me. Sucks cause I really like the skirt aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.10552421]

>>10552411
>Skirts with sizing up to at least 80 cm would go a long way

Even just for comfort honestly, I've got a 68 cm waist, and fall well within the measurements for most skirts, but they're literally painful to wear for any extended period of time.

[Anonymous No.10552423]

>>10552411
>>10552421
it's the ridiculous power elastic they use. like sure, it *can* stretch up to 72cm, but good luck fitting comfortably in them if you're over 62cm

[Anonymous No.10552425]

>>10552420
>>10552421
Same, I own several skirts that I just never wear because most times I wear lolita I end up going out to eat at some point, and if it's already that tight just putting it on, hoo boy...

>>10552423
Yeah, which makes no sense to me, like why wouldn't they just use whatever elastic is being used for JSK shirring? Or why aren't JSK's so hard to fit into if it is the same elastic? I just don't understand.

The only non-fully shirred skirt I've owned that was bearable to wear is pic related, which has a slightly higher max of 76. I think the elastic is just less tight in this skirt for whatever reason.

[Anonymous No.10552436]

>>10551686
Long-legged, slim girls look better in any fashion, but when they wear burando it looks like they are trying on their little sister's clothes.

The clothes that fit look better, period.

[Anonymous No.10552443]

>>10551685
Bangs and curly/ wavy wigs look better with headdresses, with rare exceptions.

Busty girls do not look good in lolita, or even most j-fashion styles.

Just because $12 aliexpress JSK had 'lolita' in the name and fits a petti does not make it lolita. Also, I disagree with 'you do not need to spend a lot of money on lolita to look good'. You ALWAYS have to spend more on a lolita outfit than on a good normie outfit. Even if you make your clothes yourself, you have to invest in good materials etc.

[Anonymous No.10552445]

>>10552443
None of these are unpopular opinions

[Anonymous No.10552446]

>>10552445
These opinions are unpopular in my comm.

[Anonymous No.10552447]

>>10552446
Oof

[Anonymous No.10552465]

>>10552436
ayrt, honestly the only brand i can think of where that happens regularly is AP. a lot of tall chicks look great in Meta, Baby, Moitie, etc. AP tends to release dresses that have a height cutoff, but i'm 5'3 and i've found that a few AP dresses are actually too long for my liking. it really seems specific to sweet cuts in particular

[Anonymous No.10552469]

I actually like that Taobao brands do more off the wall designs that push the boundaries of lolita. Sure, most of them are garbo but there are some interesting designs every now and then.

[Anonymous No.10552474]

>>10552465
Maybe it's related to cuts of specific dresses or proportions of a person more than a height, but I've seen it to happen regularly to 6 feet girls in any brands. The gitls who are a little shorter and slim look Kira Imae-sque when the clothes are chosen right.

[Anonymous No.10552478]

>>10552264
Hard agree anon.

[Anonymous No.10552479]

>>10552469
Some of the more wack ass styles make me strangely nostlagic, I don't know what to call it other than scene-core some of the stuff I've browsed.

[Anonymous No.10552482]

>>10552425
I think it has to do with distribution, with JSKs there's more shirring, so the stretch is being shared over a larger area. With skirts it's usually just the one small section, so all the pressure is focused there.
These comments are very validating as a skinnyanon who has skirt issues too.

[Anonymous No.10552491]

>>10552479
If you use "-core" to describe fashion you're too young to feel nostalgic about scene era aesthetics.

[Anonymous No.10552524]

>>10552443
Welp, busty girls are going to wear it whether you like it or not.

[Anonymous No.10552525]

>>10552524
>getting this tithurt in the unpopular opinions thread

[Anonymous No.10552528]

>>10552524
Fashion is about wearing what you want and not caring what others think anyway.

[Anonymous No.10552533]

>>10552528
what's the point if you look bad due to poor fit? getting clothes that fit you and don't fight with your figure or height or weight or looks is much more gratifying than wearing something that fits poorly and makes you look bad.

[Anonymous No.10552535]

Gyaru from 2009-2014 or so was superior to this neogyaru/new gyaru shit.

[Anonymous No.10552536]

>>10552443
I disagree busty girls look good in structured dresses that actually fit them. Cutsews AND underbust skirts, on the other hand ... Even if they technically fit they always overemphasize the bust. Just pick a structured dress that ACTUALLY accommodates the bust, then tie it in at the waist. You can't even tell then.

[Anonymous No.10552537]

>>10552533
I know plenty of busty lolitas who fit their dresses just fine. This sounds like a personal problem.
>>10552525
lol I think op is the tithurt gull for hating on busty lolitas. But go off, I guess.

[Anonymous No.10552541]

>>10552133
I also hate how fast shit has been selling out but I don't think western noobs are staying up until like 4am waiting for the site to restock just to snipe cheap brand

[Anonymous No.10552545]

>>10552541
Well on the west coast I usually get the restock email around 11pm local time, so...

[Anonymous No.10552547]

>>10552533
This. Why in lolita there is an excuse to wear ill fitting clothes? It's just common sense.

[Anonymous No.10552548]

>>10552535
Gyaru was and always will be nasty

[Anonymous No.10552559]

>>10552291
Hard agree. If you're asking others to do all the coording for you, why are you even in the fashion? Like if you don't like creating coords, why are you into lolita? It's very different from wanting advice even if you're shit, because then you're at least trying to coord.

[Anonymous No.10552561]

>>10552559
The absolute worst is when people ask others to coord their dream dress. Seriously? Bitch, YOU wanted the dress so badly, figure that shit out.

[Anonymous No.10552564]

>>10552548

Reading manga and watching anime like Peach Girl, Oshiete Galko-chan, and Gals has made me like the style and find it cute (especially since I have darker skin and it was cool seeing something closer to representation for myself in media I liked from Japan), but IRL most gyaru has just never looked super cute to me. I think it's the extreme contouring with the makeup looks or something cause certain aspects of the clothes are super cute. And kogal with nanchatte aesthetics all mixed together is cute as well. I think it sits in a place similar to magical girl anime for me where I don't think the outfits will ever look great on real life people with normal proportions and face and body shapes, but it is extremely aesthetic in anime and artwork.

[Anonymous No.10552571]

>>10552548
gyaru makeup with lolita (esp oldschool) always looks like shit, and honestly makes white people look super gross. It's so unflattering.

[Anonymous No.10552573]

>>10552571
gyaru makeup with lolita is weird.

[Anonymous No.10552574]

>>10552535
Agree 100% love the new boom

[Anonymous No.10552588]

>>10552545
Apologies I guess my dumb ass forgot that was a thing and it's been getting sent to my spam folder for a while. Thank you anon

[Anonymous No.10552602]

>>10552545
nayrt but anon must live in cst because I live there and they email me at 4am. That said I'm not sure how you guys seem to have such problems getting good stuff, I've grabbed quite a few good items in the last few months.

[Anonymous No.10552604]

>>10552541
>>10552545
it’s also around 9am UK time so European lolitas would also be around

[Anonymous No.10552640]

i very slightly prefer poly blouses to cotton

>but only blouses, most poly dresses can get fucked

[Anonymous No.10552641]

>>10552640
me too, especially chiffon ones.

[Anonymous No.10552645]

>>10552533
I have big tiddy mommy milkers and look fine in lolita because I buy the right type of bras plus I'm not fat

[Anonymous No.10552649]

>>10552640
>>10552641
i didnt even really like most lolita blouses at all until chiffon blouses became popular. they drape so much better and give so much more ease to a coordinate. cotton blouses often feel starchy and stuffy. i know some people find the frump charming but i stuck to cardigans and cutsews until the godsend that was the chiffon blouse boom

[Anonymous No.10552652]

>>10552640
My only wish is somonee would make more chiffon blouses woth more substance to the collars. The only thing holding me back is I hate the usual low, ruffled collar I always see, but maybe I'm not looking hard enough.

[Anonymous No.10552653]

>>10552314
I agree, and I blame the US and their garbage political system for this

[Anonymous No.10552661]

>>10552602
>good items
Honestly wondering what items you are considering "good." What have you been able to buy? Anything AP (and semi popular) is gone instantly and that's where most of the complaints are coming from.

[Anonymous No.10552669]

>>10552661
iawtc, the nonprint pieces as well as pieces from less "iconic" brands (chocochip cookie, h.naoto, jane marple, etc.) tend to stick around for a few days before selling out. older pieces also tend to stick around, stuff like gobelin doesn't often go fast and neither do "basic" older prints like florals or fruit prints

[Anonymous No.10552671]

>>10552559
My guess is that they're used to cosplay, where you don't have to really think a whole lot about the overall look, you just imitate. With Lolita, you do have to be more involved in the styling.

[Anonymous No.10552673]

>>10552571
Gyaru is just racist desu, especially out of Japanese context. If you were to do your makeup like that in LA or something, especially if you're white, you'd probably get the shit smacked out of you cause it looks pretty blackface-esque

[Anonymous No.10552689]

>>10552421
Anon are you me? Same waist measurements and i end the day with a big red mark on my waist. That shit stings and it feeds into my body dysmorphia because i feel disgustingly fat when it's really just the stupid ass elastic they use.

[Anonymous No.10552691]

>>10552491
Tbh i'm 30 and started using -core, vibes and the likes of it because i am surrounded by zoomers on the daily.
Yes i hate myself

[Anonymous No.10552694]

>>10552673
The blackface trend was ganguro anon, keep up (b-gyaru that is all hip hop inspired and whatnot is kinda in that vein though as well).

I heard a lot of the time in the past that the blonde hair and tanning trends were to some degree really just imitating white American girls, not black ones, so if American girls aren't racist for bleaching their hair and tanning, I don't think Japanese ones are.

[Anonymous No.10552696]

>>10552564
Following anon's sentiment. Most gals just look trashy t b h. Litterally caked in makeup and looking like honest to god skanks. In mangas it looks fashionable and kinda cute. Although kogal and such can look cute. I like the big fuzzy pompom and scrunchie trend there used to be. Very cute. That and the deco nails, slouch socks and falsies (that didn't look like spider legs) were my favorite thing.

[Anonymous No.10552698]

>>10552673
who cares? Burn down LA and any "people" who live there. (Btw if you live in socal, you aren't human, no matter your skin color)

[Anonymous No.10552702]

I think waist ties are often unnecessary. They are hard to tie pretty by yourself, and if its of blouse, they are not used in 99% of coords.

[Anonymous No.10552703]

>>10552696
doubleposting to add that old liz lisa, yumetenbo and mar*s was the shit and now it's either dead or a "neo gyaru" normie yawnfest that is akin to what larme is. boring.

[Anonymous No.10552706]

>>10552671
Probably the case for some but I think when everyone else sees newbies being built coords from just a main piece and pat on the back for just participating, they think it’s the norm and acceptable.

[Anonymous No.10552708]

>>10552702
This. I only use my waist ties to turn into accessories for pieces I can't find the matching headwear to. The thin ones baby uses are okay but I feel like they work better on those big tent like OPs to cinch in the waist than on an already tailored JSK. Like maybe MCD round jsk might need them but others don't really.

[Anonymous No.10552711]

>>10552702
Fellow fattie, use your brain. The small ones require the ties to adhere the dresses to their tiny bodies. It is known.

[Anonymous No.10552714]

>>10552711
Corset lacing and shirring can do that; I'm >>10552708 and I am pretty small and most AP except the few super huge pieces I typically have no trouble getting it to fit. Maybe AP should do more quarter shirring or half shirring with corset lacing cause I feel that has more impact on fit than waist ties. Or switch to the thin ones cause the thick ones are hard to make a nice bow with a lot of the time.

[Anonymous No.10552715]

>>10552698
now this is the kind of antagonism I like to see on /cgl/

[Anonymous No.10552723]

>>10552702
I'll never understand waist ties on blouses, either.

[Anonymous No.10552725]

>>10552702
>>10552708
I use them for meetups or when going to a "real event" but they get unnecessarily wrinkled and they're a pain to tie. Also, sometimes they cause me discomfort if the dress isn't loose on me or sack cut and I use them, just makes the dress tighter for no reason. I worry a button will pop off if I cinch them too much or bend over lots. It happened once when I was drunk and I was traumatized. Ugly sobbing over the waist button on Magic Princess and thinking I was irreversibly obese at a Halloween party. So I just don't use them now

[Anonymous No.10552775]

>>10552723
I use waist ties on blouses more frequently than dresses because my boobs are much bigger than my waist, and I actually like it when blouses fit me waist better.

[Anonymous No.10552777]

>>10552775
Also skirts. Some have very plain waistbands so having the blouse over it as opposed to tucked in would look more elegant especially when you have it tied in the back to give it more flattering shape.

[Anonymous No.10552814]

>>10552702
I honestly really like the look of waist ties, they're part of the look for me. You don't even have to tie them that often, you can just keep them in shape for weeks before you have to redo them.
Also they're important for cinching in your waist. Corset lacing is best, but waist ties are all you have to work with for some ops or blouses.

[Anonymous No.10552815]

>>10552702
You're breaking my heart, anon. I love waist ties. I think having a giant butt bow is so fun.

[Anonymous No.10552895]

I genuinely don't care how other people wear their clothes, I don't antagonize over someone "ruining" lolita by not doing something right.

[Anonymous No.10552904]

>>10552702
I kind of need them since I have a 59 cm waist

[Anonymous No.10552924]

>>10552238
I’ve been checking out taobao too for the first time and there are many lovely pieces. Only problem that I see is the colors are very different that I have used to after only buying AP. I’m trying not to buy anything that’s outside of AP colors so it fits into my wardrobe.

[Anonymous No.10552928]

>>10552238

But the quality is so, so, so bad.

This from a lolita who owns over 20 taobao pieces because people keep saying "this brand is different, #notalltaobao". I should have stopped with the first ten or fifteen dissappointments, fuck me for believing this shit.

[Anonymous No.10552941]

>>10552928
That bear dollhouse or whatever it's called that people have been posting lately is so tempting because it looks great in photos, but I don't weigh the importance of appearance in photos as heavily as these people who have a perfectly curated IG, so I have a feeling I would be severely disappointed with the quality of materials if I bought it.

[Anonymous No.10552972]

>>10552928
There's this anon that shills taobao and Krad lanrete on here, and they always insist that brand and taobao quality are the same. I have multiple items from the "higher" end taobao brands but in no way do they match up to brand.
Anyone who says otherwise is probably a dumb noob who doesn't own brand at all.
Even recent shitty AP is still above any Taobao brand in terms of detailing and construction.

[Anonymous No.10552973]

>>10552941
Just don't expect to get brand quality for a fraction of the price.

[Anonymous No.10552975]

>>10552941

I got as far as paying near-burando prices for Krad Lanrete ...actually it's one of the purchases I don't regret, because the Versailles print was kinda unique for my wardrobe.

But let's be real, the quality of the fabric was nowhere what anons where making it out to be. It's still surface-printed, shiny satin. It's only "nearly burando" if you count "not the bottom of the barrel but definitely lower tier" as "near" enough.

You make a good point about looking good in photographs, that's what I reserve most of my remaining taobao dresses for. On some of them the design is good, but the quality is so iffy I swear if you blink at it wrong the print will flake off or it'll get a run. Also, I recently discovered most of my taobao is barely or under 3m wide, which explains a lot about getting them to sit right over the same petticoats that I use for AP and Meta (AP and Meta are usually over 3m wide, even the lucky packs).

On the upside, buying taobao really made me appreciate burando quality a lot more. Brand has its bucket of problems, but once you go taobao you really start to appreciate how reliable brand quality is.

[Anonymous No.10552997]

>>10552924
I think your post helped me figure out what I don't like about 90% of taobao dresses. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.10553006]

>>10552144
Lolita started out as a political movement to reject the idea that women should stop living for themselves after a certain age. Sorry to break it to you, but most old youth culture hobbies like Lolita were political

[Anonymous No.10553007]

I think skirts are underrated. They are cheap, you can style them both casual and ott depending on a blouse and acessories and also you can wear them outside of lolita

[Anonymous No.10553008]

I like the sweet boom. It's been fun.

[Anonymous No.10553009]

I absolutely hate it when newbies are asking for advice on what pieces to get for their first coord and people recommend really non-versatile shit that's not gonna go with most coords. Like why say they should get the white heels with gold constellations all over, tassels on the bows and wings on the ankle strap over a regular pair of white lolita heals? One is clearly more restrictive than the other, even if it "fits the coord so well!". Unless you plan on making a large part of your wardrobe white and gold with constellation/angel themes there is no point in getting those, but when you're that new you don't even know what you're gonna want to wear in real life! Maybe you have trouble finding other dresses in that theme or gold looks shit on you or whatever and now you can't wear those shoes. Get pieces like that when you have an actual wardrobe, then you'll know if you'll actually get use out of them. Simple, versatile pieces in easy to coord colours don't have all those problems!

[Anonymous No.10553014]

>>10553009
I always thought this was just common sense

[Anonymous No.10553016]

I like the tacky conlita taobao designs.

[Anonymous No.10553022]

>>10553014
apparently not. I see a lot of newb lolitas buy an extremely unversatile dress off devilinspired as their first main piece...and it just makes me cringe hard. Mega yike

[Anonymous No.10553033]

>>10552669
That's the problem, the people dumb enough to complain about prices want the popular attentionwhore shit

[Anonymous No.10553036]

>>10551930
Please stop calling me out

[Anonymous No.10553063]

>>10552099
Idk anon my daddy dom likes to have sex in cheap aliexpress clothes and spoil me with AP for my day to day clothes.

[Anonymous No.10553066]

>>10552702
Most clothing have all the decorations on the front and the back side will look blant. Waist ties makes the back look less boring.

[Anonymous No.10553246]

Not sure why people keep suggesting Prisila wigs, they look like absolute shite.

[Anonymous No.10553253]

>>10553246
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.10553259]

>>10553016
It’s not really Lolita, but it is pretty cool looking, provided that’s actually what you get when you buy it.

[Anonymous No.10553274]

>>10552072
you're right, it really isn't your problem

[Anonymous No.10553292]

I dislike sailor collars.

[Anonymous No.10553320]

>>10552313
if it doesn't matter then why is >>10552041
so worried about looking ageplayer/DDLG when all lolitas are familiar with OTT Sweet and understand that plush bags and poofy skirts are part of the look?

Their opinions don't matter. Oldschool sweet and 2010s era sweet look equally as stupid to outsiders. To feign superiority because you *think* you look less like an "ageplayer", is a dumb concept.

>>10552702
why would you say something so controversial yet so brave etc

[Anonymous No.10553326]

>>10552548
sorry that you have bad taste anon

[Anonymous No.10553333]

>>10553320
>To feign superiority because you *think* you look less like an "ageplayer", is a dumb concept.

This.

[Anonymous No.10553337]

OTT 2010s era sweet was a mistake. Looks tacky, and because so many people got into the fashion around that time, it's poisoned how they judge current sweet fashion, as well as other substyles.

Casual coords that actually look cute end up in the ita thread so often because people can't comprehend not wearing 20 accessories and maximum poof at all times.

[Anonymous No.10553340]

>>10553337
This is the UNpopular opinions thread, anon.

[Anonymous No.10553343]

>>10553340
Are you kidding? There is so much nostalgia for this era right now

[Anonymous No.10553345]

I hate all the "speciel set" lucky packs, I want more random junk that didn't sell during the year

[Anonymous No.10553351]

>>10553343
The part about casual coords being treated as ita when they're not has been said every other day on cgl for the last few months if not year. And people who give concrit that involves anything seen as matchy-matchy (like shoes that match a dress accent color rather than neutral shoes) get told to fuck off for being sweetfags.

[Anonymous No.10553355]

>>10553246
Did you get one that wasn't heat resistant or something? (Those are shiny as hell and trash, but the normal heat resistant wigs are great) On the flip side, what wigs do you think are good?

[Anonymous No.10553357]

This is probably because I'm also a filthy cosplayer and general weeb, but I really love both character-inspired coords and official collaborations with brands to either reproduce character outfits or release pieces inspired by specific characters or series

[Anonymous No.10553360]

>>10552571
That brief period of time when hime gyaru and sweet lolita borrowed ideas from each other (including makeup) was really good, actually

[Anonymous No.10553389]

>>10551844
Does anyone know the GLB edition this is from?

[Anonymous No.10553475]

>>10552941
i own it. it's really heavy and a nice dress. fits right in with my wardrobe full of AP and is only half the price,

[Anonymous No.10553485]

>>10553475
>fits right in with my wardrobe full of new poly AP and is only half the price

ftfy

Tbh though a lot of taobao dresses are cute, I just worry over the material. I think the 3 tiered bear apron style one looks nicer in pics than the dollhouse one

[Anonymous No.10553685]

>>10553389
GLB Vol. 2

[Anonymous No.10553689]

In simpler coords I typically prefer neutral shoes to 100% matching ones. It makes it look/feel more like a "real" outfit and less of a costume, for lack of better terms. It can look good in a colorful OTT sweet outfit to have shoes that exactly match the print though.

[Anonymous No.10553691]

>>10553360
Yes! I'm so nostalgic for hime lolita

[Anonymous No.10553749]

>>10552173
nigger.

[Anonymous No.10553752]

>>10552702
>>10552714

They mentioned blouses though. The waist ties on those go with skirt coords to give a more fitted look.

I mean, my wardrobe is like 90% shirred dresses but there's probably some one else out there whose wardrobe is 90% skirts and they need the waist ties on blouses for them to fit properly.

[Anonymous No.10553755]

>>10553014
You'd think so, but recently I've seen this so more often I feel, and no one ever calls it out.

[Anonymous No.10553757]

>>10553689
Yes, it certainly makes coords feel more toned down and makes sure the colours of the dress don't overwhelm the entire outfit, which easily happens with casual sweet if the shoes are the same colour as the dress.

[Anonymous No.10553762]

>>10552173
Black people or niggers as i call them can't afford nice things so why are you here.

[Anonymous No.10553800]

>>10552173
That sounds like an America problem. Why can't you just hate on dated religion like sane people

[Anonymous No.10553814]

>>10552368

This statement has strong larper vibes.

[Anonymous No.10553815]

Needing to match your colors 110% perfectly is a sign of one of three things: a newbie who still has to learn what goes together, a cos lolita who never learned, or a larper.

[Anonymous No.10553837]

>>10553815
This so much. I hate when someone criticizes an accessory in a coord because it "doesn't match" just because it isn't the exact same colour as the dress or whatever. If it still matches, saying it doesn't just makes you look like a child whose only concept of colour theory is being able to differentiate between primary colours.

[Anonymous No.10553863]

I find it obnoxious when people launch into a tirade about the history of lolita and how it's just normal clothes not a costume and blah blah blah when a normie says that they "like your costume"

Lolita is always going to look like a costume to outsiders, especially if you're wearing more "costumey" accessories like witch hats, sailor collars, nun themed outfits, animal ears (official brand releases or high quality ones that actually match the coord at least. fuck the yaya han cosplay ears), etc. if it's a genuine compliment, accept it and move on. if it's mean spirited, ignore them, because going off on them isn't helping your case

[Anonymous No.10553864]

Strawberry loves chocolate is fugly

[Anonymous No.10553884]

>>10553863
Right, if someone ASKS me if it’s a costume, I will say no and explain but people tell me all the time they love my costume! I say thanks because it’s nice that they like it either way and I’m not concerned about strangers thinking I just like to dress weird. Since I do.

[Anonymous No.10553888]

>>10553815
There is some merit of paying attention to your tones being warm or cold - however sometimes lighting and phone camera quality can distort colors, sometimes things that match well IRL look funky in photos. As long as it looks good and the colors are in the same family then it's fine.

[Anonymous No.10553889]

>>10553864
>t. someone who wasn't able to get ahold of it and is mad

Seriously though that's honestly the most unpopular opinion itt

[Anonymous No.10553890]

>>10553863
I don't understand why someone would have to go into detail about it when they can easily just say something like "It's not a costume, but thanks!" or "It's just how I like to dress." People understand that just fine, at least in my experience. They're even nice and usually say that they like when people have the confidence to dress different from others. Being hostile towards someone or chewing them out for having a reasonable misunderstanding and good intentions just makes no sense to me.

[Anonymous No.10553895]

>>10552702
I take off waist ties and put them in a box as soon as I get a dress. I can't figure out how to tie them + also put the dress on, and I also wear a lot of cardigans where you wouldn't be able to see the waist ties anyways. They are cute though...

[Anonymous No.10553915]

>>10553837
I also find people complain when coords don't have matching motifs. Like what kinda insanity...? As if the only way to coord is follow the AP shopping list and wearing $500 worth of matching accessories in a set. They only get mad when it isn't burando though. Usakumya is fine when he doesn't match, but God forbid you wear an offbrand plush bag. That's just ita /s

[Anonymous No.10553935]

>>10552368
This is objectively not true but I’m glad you’ve had better experiences than me anon. Yes I’m ugly but I don’t think I’m a complete ogre, I should be able to find a man but I struggle. Guys fetishize gothier alt fashion or they write off pastel styles as ddlg stuff. It sucks.

[Anonymous No.10553953]

>>10553006
I've seen people like Tyler claim that but is there any evidence for that? I was under the impression that lolita was a rebellious fashion like goth with not alot of actual political ideologys if any. Did the GLB have a feminist article section? Did Fruits interview people for there thoughts on the political climate? Did all or a majority of early lolita's consider themselves feminists and political?

[Anonymous No.10553958]

>>10553953
Political activism in Japan is a whole different universe from what euro or americans think about it. I think all of these assumptions are a load of crap.

[Anonymous No.10553962]

>>10553915
I think it's okay for motifs to not match specifically as long as it doesnit totally clash. Like if you coorded CTP and had some silver spoon jewelry accessories in there, that makes sense cause there are prolly spoons and forks in the print/involved in a tea party. Or if someone coorded a toy print with animal ears, just about any animal ears would work cause the idea is stuffed animals and toys. Or if a dress or print isn't explicitly cafe themes but has anything edible on it or you add an apron and then a maid style headdress or even a little mini chef hat, it would match. It all just depends on what the specific coords is going for.

[Anonymous No.10553965]

>>10553953
basically what you said. it's not political at all. rebelling against the norm doesn't have to be politically charged. i also don't think lolita was worn to disgust men/prevent groping (how the fuck are they claiming they got this information? if lolita was some kind of big political movement that was in any way feminist, it would have caught on more and feminism in japan would be much further than it is now and given that women still do not get maternity leave, i don't think it worked if that was the intention.

[Anonymous No.10553985]

>>10553965
I think lolita was rebellious and not super feminist in a political way but in the sense that women were really doing something for themselves rather than society which is a big deal in Japan regardless of gender. Technically it's feminism in the sense that it was about women making their own choices, but not at the level of protests or anything (there are feminist events, protests, and discussions in Japan and in Japanese communities abroad about Japan regularly but far more toned down that what it's like in the west)

[Anonymous No.10553987]

>>10553965
There is a slight political aspect to it, but not in the way the anons upthread stated.
>The demure, well-mannered gothic lolita is ultimately a rejection of the sexual demands placed on little girls in Japanese society

[Anonymous No.10554036]

>>10552972
Brand quality has plummeted so hard Im almost certain they're being made in the same factories as the taobao shit anyways

[Anonymous No.10554037]

high waisted dresses are usually ugly and unflattering even if you're skinny and have no tits

[Anonymous No.10554041]

>>10554037
forgot to add that any head accessory that ties under the chin also looks stupid

[Anonymous No.10554079]

I am always pissed when people complaint that there are just a few options for bigger sizes in lolita. Yeah, of course it's the damn thing with every clothing industry.
And they always be like "we need do make them chance, 'cus I wear a few sizes bigger than the average person"

I don't fit every dress either with my healthy, normal body, and I don't complaint on every social media that this or that cut will never fit me, which was made for an asian body.

[Anonymous No.10554081]

>>10553915
Tb to when anons called a girl ita for wearing ctp with wonder cookie otks

[Anonymous No.10554100]

>>10554041
always gives everybody a double chin or no chin at all.
still gonna wear them anyways, you can tie most of them in the back of your head.

[Anonymous No.10554528]

whimsical vanilla-chan is supremely overrated. The cats aren't cute

[Anonymous No.10554820]

>>10552173
>dark skinned girls aren’t kawaii
I have never seen someone outright say this and in the last 10+ years. Caps.

And no, some 4chan troll no one agreed with doesn't count.

[Anonymous No.10554841]

>>10552404
It's a shame people like you have no idea about the concept of "Reading the Room."

When you chimp out and air all your shit (aka opinions) on every platform, you look really trashy. There's a time and a place.

[Anonymous No.10556267]

Printed socks/tights are ugly and make coords look worse 9 times out of 10.
They only look good in 2010s sweet.