Your Honest Thoughts on the Lolita Community

[Anonymous No.10598040]

What do you really think of the lolita community?

I don't participate in it besides buying shit and posting here. I honestly find the community as a whole pretty awful, but I do enjoy observing from the sidelines.

[Anonymous No.10598044]

>>10598040
Their a bunch of gay bitches and whores

[Anonymous No.10598050]

>>10598040
I hate it. It's basically just an adult social media princess dress up and consoomer club at this point, not a fashion.
I want to start a website with a shit ton of archieved content including scans of almost all Keras, but one look at the current state of the community just makes me procrastinate further. Even cgl became almost insufferable and it feels like none of the oldfags are left anymore.

[Anonymous No.10598052]

>>10598040
I hate it. It's basically just an adult social media princess dress up and consoomer/"collector" club at this point, not a fashion.
I want to start a website with a shit ton of archieved content including scans of almost all Keras, but one look at the current state of the community just makes me procrastinate further. Even cgl became almost insufferable and it feels like none of the oldfags are left anymore.

[Anonymous No.10598053]

I hate how many old lolitas think they need to defend degenerates and degeneracy. It used to be a nice excuse to dress up and find people that like finer things in life but its so low quality now.

[Anonymous No.10598054]

I hate it. Get off my lawn

[Anonymous No.10598057]

Its too TERFy

[Anonymous No.10598059]

>>10598040
lolita community is a pretty broad term to begin with as your experiences vary a lot depening on location, social circle, what sites you use, etc so you can't really say "it's like this or that" because it's too multifaceted

[Anonymous No.10598061]

>>10598052
>I want to start a website with a shit ton of archieved content including scans of almost all Keras,
that's what lolitahistory.com already is

[Anonymous No.10598063]

cant stand the weird TERF shit on here or the extremely performative "activists" on IG. don't really like the consumptive/wasteful nature of the fashion now, especially when most of the clothes are either shit quality or plastic or both. it's absurd to me to spend 300 dollars on a new AP dress to wear once for the gram and then sell off for money for the next AP release

[Anonymous No.10598069]

It seems like there are a lot of newfags lately on both /cgl/ and FB. I wonder what's causing this boom. I can't wait for something else to trend so I can watch at the trendlitas jump ship. I'm curious about who will remain.

[Anonymous No.10598071]

>>10598040
Love the image OP. I can see Cartman being a scalper and running that scalping operation with gross men wearing AP on top of their clothes.

[Anonymous No.10598073]

Personally I don’t see the need to be a part of a community, it’s just clothes and if you’re too embarrassed to wear them on your own, don’t wear them? I have some friends that I can talk to about stuff but I feel no need to join a group about it. I think there’s too much emphasis put in the comms when most of them are just filled with drama.

[Anonymous No.10598076]

>>10598057
Is this bait? If anything, people walk on egg shells out of fear of being labeled a TERF. I'm sick of having to pretend I see a girl wearing one of the most feminine fashions on earth as a legitimate transman instead of another genderspecial that crawled out of tumblr in 2014. Or worse- having to act like there's no difference between a transwoman who has successfully assimilated and an AGP fetishist who's only into the fashion to satiate his sissy kink.

[Anonymous No.10598078]

>>10598069
Also noticing a huge number of trendlitas. I think it could be because of Instagram. A lot of nice aesthetic photos combined with girls growing up receiving messages that to be a cool girl you have to be masculine (think hollywood Strong Woman TM characters). Then they discover lolita and see that femininity could be a good harmless thing just for them. There's a reason many lolitas usually couldn't dress themselves properly in normies clothes. Lolita content is less niche online now and a lot more girls are starting to get glimpses of it and falling in love the same way we oldfags did. Except we had to dig deep or get lucky to discover it.


Also anime has been booming like crazy and they think being a lolita makes them like anime girls.

[Anonymous No.10598082]

>>10598040
I like to seperate the online community and local, irl comms: I don't really need the online community (except when it comes to sales) but I do enjoy meeting people who share my interests irl

[Anonymous No.10598083]

>>10598078
Calling it now. Within 3 years H&M will have an actual lolita dress in their DIVIDED section, sure it will look like taobao but afterwards the hype will finally die down.

[Anonymous No.10598105]

>>10598069
>wonder what's causing this boom
It's mostly the pandemic. There's a lot of good, documented research on how things like high heels gets higher and more glamorous when there's economic downturns. People flock to escapism and buy things that make them feel good while they can do nothing else. It applies to fashion and hobbies too.

If the world ever goes back to "normal," I'm almost certian that a bunch of people will fall out of the fashion. There's a lot of people buying one hype dress for $1-2k, then owning nothing else and trying to flex online. Actually being invested in the fashion is a lot harder/takes a much longer time. I felt like even before the pandemic, out of 10 people joining the fashion, maybe only 5 continue after one year. Now after the pandemic, it will be more Iike 1 or 2 people will continue.

[Anonymous No.10598111]

>>10598061
It's not even remotely complete, even the issues that are uploaded there have missing pages.

[Anonymous No.10598112]

Would be great if americans didn't participate

[Anonymous No.10598113]

It’s ok
I don’t really care what randoms on the internet think

[Anonymous No.10598116]

We don’t need a community anymore. It was useful when the internet was smaller and contained to live journal, when the clothing was harder to find, but that doesn’t exist anymore.

All we need is a community for beginners to ask for first coord help, a place to discuss new releases, and a place to sell clothing secondhand. That’s it. There hasn’t been a single discussion on rufflechat that hasn’t happened a million times before. We’re all going in circles. People think they’re rebellious activists just for wearing silly frilly dresses.

Just follow and befriend lolitas whose coordinates you like. That’s it.

[Anonymous No.10598137]

>>10598040

Bunch of crazy people. Most are toxic.

[Anonymous No.10598139]

>>10598112
why?

>>10598116
true, although cgl I find very useful because it lets me think about new aspects of the fasion. Roomwear, home design etc is all very nice to consider

[Anonymous No.10598141]

>>10598083
...the fuck is that dress it looks so cheap

[Anonymous No.10598145]

Lots of spineless coddling and people who think they're super alt when they're very normie. Generally people I have nothing in common with outside of a shared umbrella interest. Too many sweets who love disney and things I couldn't care less about. Going to meets is always weird because I never meet anyone who has the same kind of interests even within the style and I just feel like I'm trying to socialize obligatorily like I would at a work or school function. I want to make lolita friends so bad but everyone I talk to/tries to befriend me is just as boring as the last.

[Anonymous No.10598156]

>>10598145

That reminds me of the first time I found myself in a crowd of "fellow" tabletop/card/fantasy nerds. I felt no connection or approval. I stared at them and thought "They are not where I belong. I can't connect with them. We merely share a common interest". It was an odd feeling of observation and self-reflection.

[Anonymous No.10598164]

Overall the community is full of the most annoying SJWs and wannabe activists. Useless and insufferable people trying to out 'woke' each other. Miserable with no personality and no meaningful purpose to their life. Mentally defective they/thems virtue signaling to each other and crying about how oppressed they are while having the means and ability to participate in the most luxury of hobbies. Whiny faggots who cry about everything and have nothing to offer as a human being....

I love the fashion though. Just find the majority of participants to be completely abhorrent. Fortunately, I have a few friends in the fashion who are nothing like the aforementioned majority. Grateful to know them. People like them are a small minority though.

CGL is the only worthwhile online comm. Genuine conversation can actually happen here due to anonymity. I much prefer trolls and honest assholes over fake bandwagoning SJW fags. I imagine tons of the virtue signaling isn't even honest. They just do it out if fear of rejection. I can't respect a person like that.

[Anonymous No.10598167]

>>10598053
So true. I can't stand the amount of low quality people and their degeneracy that have weaved their way into something that should attract class and grace.... Instead we get sex workers and their sympathizers... but I guess poorfags have to get $$ for their brand some how.

[Anonymous No.10598168]

>>10598164
Came here to write something similar.

[Anonymous No.10598170]

>>10598057
It's too tranny and degenerate now, actually.

[Anonymous No.10598172]

>>10598145
Do tell, special snowflake, what your superior interests are?

[Anonymous No.10598174]

>>10598116
> Just follow and befriend lolitas whose coordinates you like. That’s it.
Seconded. I feel like a passive observer most of the time in the "community" and I'm okay with that. The drama is fun to read about at times, and like >>10598139 said the cgl niche threads are usually pretty comfy. I just try to be discerning with who I associate with, and have made a few nice acquaintances as a result.

I also try to stay away from sweet and taobao-litas.

[Anonymous No.10598176]

From moving around quite a bit - local comms are weird and are mostly full of people who are young or 30 something year olds who are a bit immature. They're all really prone to gossip. There is a lot of munchie-ing going on as well, this fashion really seems to attract both the legitimately chronically ill and the fakers. But the nice thing is that I'll always find a couple of friends to hang out with. For that, I'm grateful to comms to at least provide me the opportunity to find people I can have common interests in. So it's a mixed feeling, but overall positive I guess.

[Anonymous No.10598178]

>>10598176
I find the prone to gossiping thing is due to being mainly all women spaces. My husband is in different car groups and communities (full of men) and this doesn't happen. It's so drama free and I am envious. I wish the lolita community was like my husband's car community. Sad to say the only difference is all women vs all men.

[Anonymous No.10598184]

>>10598111
You forget the part where their database mainly relies on user contributions, of course things that are hard to find won't be up there unless someone happens to provide scans for it.

[Anonymous No.10598188]

>>10598141
A really old Dress from H&M, some people used it for Lolita coords

[Anonymous No.10598189]

>>10598164
>Genuine conversation can actually happen here due to anonymity.

Yeah if you can ignore the slog of weight wank, debate over if no blouse is automatically ita, nitpicking perfectly fine coordinates. cgl is no better. It’s just slightly easier to avoid the worst of it if you only ever check the lolita general and specific brand threads.

Every feels thread, unpopular opinion thread or confessions thread has been the same for years
>tfw fat
>tfw anachan
>reeeee i hate trans people/non white people/fat people
>edgelord bait about having sex in brand
>another “is sweet ageplay/ddlg debate”

[Anonymous No.10598190]

>>10598164
Same. I'm afraid of going to meets now because I'm a libertarian as well as a huge autist. I'm afraid I'll blurt out a wrong opinion or my frustration with the far left will boil over and I'll just go insane. Wearing masks also bothers me after a certain amount of time. I took mine off for just a few minutes on a hot summer day and several girls had a panic attack over it. The walking on eggshells is getting exhausting.

[Anonymous No.10598191]

>>10598189
Where on the board right now are people saying sweets are age playing?

[Anonymous No.10598192]

>>10598191
Idk but I've said it several times. Sweets are fucking weird ageplayers who play pretend princess dressup and act like toddlers

[Anonymous No.10598193]

>>10598172
Because not being able to find people with similar interests somehow makes you a snowflake or superior?
You sound triggered.

[Anonymous No.10598194]

>>10598191
It’s been a topic of discourse here for the last 5+ years, especially in unpopular opinion threads

[Anonymous No.10598201]

>>10598191
Retards have been saying this for literally forever
Beating a dead horse at this point with all the arguments in the lolita comm. It's all the same shit

[Anonymous No.10598204]

>>10598192
And Classical isn't age playing in denial?
And Gothic isn't just edgy age players?
And old school isn't wannabe dolls?
The pettis make it look like princess dressup no matter what substyle you are

[Anonymous No.10598206]

>>10598204
cope harder

[Anonymous No.10598210]

Gonna blab on a bit, but I have mixed feelings about the Lolita community as a whole.
On one hand I kind of like it because I enjoy talking to people in the community (except for the fb communities, I don't hate myself enough to do that) and have made some pretty wonderful friends in the process. I enjoy talking to people a lot and meeting others with the same interests I do, so it's nice in that regard. On the otherhand, I don't really enjoy being in the community as much as I used to because there's so many new people coming in as trendlitas, looking to be coddled & don't want concrit because they think lolitas are meanies or whatever, or random dicks and fake activists. Not only that but as someone mentioned before, EGL is becoming more of a collectors thing rather than just a fashion as the years & the pandemic go by and it's kind of frustrating.
Because of this I ended up falling into a deep rabbit hole of trying to chase after AP releases so I can have more and it didn't take me until recently to realize that the mindset I'm dealing with is in affect from both the community and my own personal issues.

tl;dr: Meh.

[Anonymous No.10598211]

>>10598057
I’m a TERFlita and I think lolita is too full of trannies and fakebois.

[Anonymous No.10598215]

>>10598204
and THIS is the problem with the lolita community, the idea that there is any hierarchy, that any of us are better than others because we wear dumb expensive frilly dresses or we wear a different kind of frilly dress, or we wear frilly dresses but only in the color black. its so stupid. its just clothes. get over yourselves.

[Anonymous No.10598217]

>>10598215
At this point I feel like nu-sweet is its own thing

[Anonymous No.10598222]

>>10598217
yes and no. it falls under the umbrella of lolita. fact is, theres never been much brand crossover in the japanese community. jfashion in general in japan is moreso run by brand loyalty than a like for the style as a whole. some lolitas in japan will have a few dresses from different brand, but overall their wardrobe will consist mostly of one favorite brand.

[Anonymous No.10598224]

>>10598172
nayrt but "similar interests" as a socialization tool also tends to require a similar or complementary social interaction style. two people who like "video games" won't necessarily be able to discuss video games because even if they play the same games, one of them might want to discuss strategy whereas the other fixates on story. or one of them might be a chronic monologuer in conversation, where the other person might be a more "volley" style conversationalist.

[Anonymous No.10598226]

>>10598224
Two things I hate about conversations. One is when I can't get other people to talk. The other is when we're in a group and I can't find an opening to talk.

[Anonymous No.10598227]

>>10598210
This. I prefer enjoying the fashion with my closest friends or small comms, online comms are a mess and you cannot even offer a constructive concrit because X o Y coord looks terribly ita.
Lolita and jfashion has some rules and takes effort to look good, it's not like putting random things and say "oh these look good!". You should know what fits your body type, avoid too small items, iron and clean your items and so on. Its not a cosplay where you can be "a princess uwu" for asspats.

[Anonymous No.10598235]

>>10598040
Pretty much this. I’m tolerating things for access to resources until I don't need it anymore. It's been nice meeting/chatting with the occasional acquaintance who isn't fucking crazy, but otherwise hell really is other people.

[Anonymous No.10598237]

>>10598190
>>10598168

Anons, me and my libertarian friends would be happy to get to know you. You won't have to censor yourself or walk on eggshells. I'm so sick of wokeness in the fashion. Shoot me an email [e-mail]

[Anonymous No.10598255]

>>10598190
You sound really pathetic lmao

[Anonymous No.10598256]

>>10598255
no anon doesnt

[Anonymous No.10598265]

>>10598256
Libertarian anon sounds retarded and pathetic and you sound retarded and pathetic for defending them.

[Anonymous No.10598267]

the community irl is mostly okay in my experience, but it does feel a little awkward to get together with people you have nothing else in common with. comms are a good tool for picking out other lolita friends who you'd actually want to hang out with.

the online community is a different bag of beans. overall, it's just... too much? there's so much posturing going on, both on and off anon. it feels like people are constantly trying to prove something--usually that they're the wokest (on fb), most attractive, richest, whatever.

all anyone talks about is what they buy or what they wish they could buy. and people are so quick to dogpile each other or make a tiny thing into a huge issue. can we expect more from a fashion community filled with recovering weebs and people with actual autism? probably not. but places like the big discord and fb just make me want to become an hero, because 90% of us are fucking annoying.

[Anonymous No.10598268]

>>10598040
I used to be really active, and by that I mean that I used to translate scans, to post sewing and customizing instructions, to prepare guides for newbies, to organize meetings, to comment on everyone's new pictures every day, to join and write reports on every single meeting and so on. But now, after 10 years of wearing this fashion, I've just grown tired of it all.

My local community is trash. What used to be a nice, all female space, is now taken over by a bunch of guys that don't bother to shave and wear their oojia dresses over jeans. No one cares for new releases or fashion media anymore, and I don't have the energy to keep on making new content and trying to start conversation on these topics. I'm tired of everyone and their “i want to be an experimental kawaii princess” shit.

I've taken a toned down approach to the fashion and now I'm slowly isolating myself from everyone I know in this fashion, just hoping that they'll leave me alone and eventually forget about me.

[Anonymous No.10598270]

>>10598256
>>10598190
Sorry the market didn't provide idiot sympathizers for you kek

[Anonymous No.10598276]

>>10598178
Try spending one day on male football communities or videogame communities where most of the users are male.

These make us look like lovelies.

I'm on some all-female communities that are completely drama free. I feel that the difference is mostly related to good moderation and overall members age and background.

[Anonymous No.10598280]

>>10598040
Cartman kawaii

[Anonymous No.10598286]

>>10598276
You are very fortunate then. It doesn't seem to be the norm. Communities that are mostly males are way less drama in my experience.

[Anonymous No.10598308]

>>10598255
Not at all. I have friends who have been kicked out of their ultra lefty comms for being openly conservative. Anon is completely valid.

[Anonymous No.10598322]

>>10598193
>I want to make lolita friends so bad but everyone I talk to/tries to befriend me is just as boring as the last.
kek

[Anonymous No.10598345]

>>10598286
Pick me! Pick me!

[Anonymous No.10598354]

>>10598345
anon does give off that feeling, uh?

[Anonymous No.10598357]

>>10598184
Pretty sure you're confusing it with Lolibrary. Lolitahistory is a site by RD, scanned from her own collection of magazines.

[Anonymous No.10598358]

>>10598057
You allowed this to happen

[Anonymous No.10598364]

>>10598358
Cry more

[Anonymous No.10598366]

>>10598308
>Is conservative thereby inherently promoting inequality, domination, and prejudice
>WAAAA meanies kicked me out of their group for wanting to oppress other people because I internalized that I'm better than them

[Anonymous No.10598372]

It's like monkeys in a cage flinging shit at eachother. It always has been, but has progressively been getting worse over the past 10 years.

[Anonymous No.10598382]

>>10598237
Why would anyone trust you anon? I too am a libertarian, but I'm not outing myself online to some rando. I want to believe but you could just be saying that and then doxxing people. Idk

[Anonymous No.10598385]

>>10598358
woah what a chad

[Anonymous No.10598389]

>>10598255
>>10598265
>>10598270
>>10598366
Wow, so open and tolerant. You'll probably never understand that you're exactly what's wrong with the egl community. The woke reeeeing minority has taken on the mantle of the Thought Police. YWNBAW.

[Anonymous No.10598392]

>>10598358
This post made me leave that group

[Anonymous No.10598393]

>>10598389
I'm not open and tolerant to oppressors cause I'm not a liberal lmao.
No tolerance for people who literally want to deny you basic necessities and life saving resources because you don't fit x criteria. You deserve ire and vitriol for believing others are below you for existing.

[Anonymous No.10598394]

>>10598204
>And old school isn't wannabe dolls?
And this is a bad thing why?

[Anonymous No.10598395]

>>10598057
>>10598063
imagine joining a hobby that comes out of a conservative asian country and getting all sjw about it

u know japanese culture in general is xenophobic, racist, anti lgbt etc right?

[Anonymous No.10598396]

>>10598389
>boohoohoo people are mean to me for wanting to restrict their lives, health, finances, and resources I'm SO OPPRESSED!!!!

[Anonymous No.10598398]

>>10598040
I really want the sissies gone. I think it's SO creepy they're just allowed to interact on social media with younger women. In the 2000's and even teens, this would have been most definitely discouraged, and younger women would have been educated. Now it seems like a free-for-all. I'm not sure whether it's because sissies have discovered they can unfairly use the transgender label - and who's to say they're not actually transgender - but... it strikes me as so entirely unfair to the actual trans community, MTF trans women who struggle every day in this country to receive the proper medical care and just want to live as who they really are... The sissies in the lolita tag seem to just want to dress up in cute "little girls" clothes, and something about that just really turns my stomach. I hope younger women who are newer to the fashion take care.

[Anonymous No.10598399]

>>10598395
Yeah no shit liking a fashion style doesn't mean you agree with the political leanings of an entire nation idiot. Japan is a fucked up place for a variety of reasons. They're also extremely sexist and pedophilic. That has nothing to do with lolita. That's like saying you support nazis if you like wearing dirndl. False equivalence.

[Anonymous No.10598401]

>>10598399
you are financially supporting the beliefs of the people who make these clothes. so you have no right to whine about it. find another fashion

[Anonymous No.10598405]

>>10598057
Not half terf enough, I sold 90% of my wardrobe because I don't want to be on the radar of sissy and pedophile "transbians" (male predators). The pieces I kept are all classic.

[Anonymous No.10598410]

>>10598393
bottom surgery isn't life saving, it's cosmetic.

[Anonymous No.10598411]

I’ve been on the fringes of the lolita community for almost a decade. It’s more fun being on the sidelines than it would be to actually be in a comm. I’d rather wear lolita with a couple close friends and keep in my bubble. Animal Crossing community is way more fun

[Anonymous No.10598413]

>>10598395
so you see some of their shitty boomers stay in their shitty boomer mindset and assume the entire country thinks like that. you think it's okay to be bigoted because you're a japan worshipping weaboo and it's LITERALLY okay when japan does it, after all you've made it your ideal pure conservative paradise.

[Anonymous No.10598414]

>>10598382
Yea, that's the shitty part. It's hard to trust anyone these days. And the worst part is having to be secretive about our political ideologies for fear of being doxxed. Being doxxed for being libertarian which is typically pretty tame. Doxxed because the left is so insecure with others who think differently... so much for being the party of tolerance.

It's honestly sad. You can email if you want. Obviously, I'm concerned about randos emailing too, just to dox me. But I'm starting to not care. And I refuse to fear these whiny brats. Not to mention it's pretty easy to read someone via text especially if they are leftist larping as a libertarian. They can't hold up the charade for very long. They are ruled by emotion and it vehemently shows. Not to mention their understanding of a libertarian or conservative point of view is fragmented and broken. If they actually tried to understand something from another's perspective they probably wouldn't be a leftist. It takes a certain level of intolerance and disconnection from others with differing views to even have such a left alignment.

Regardless, I'm just wanting to extend an olive branch out to someone who feels the way I do. Since it seems so rare to come across. You can make a burner email like I did with no pressure to reveal your identity. I'm just so over dealing with 'wokelitas' lol

[Anonymous No.10598415]

Most women aren't cute enough to pull off lolita. Most non asians don't
have the bone structure for it. And the cost of the items and the hype behind them is no different than people who buy supreme products.

[Anonymous No.10598416]

>>10598398
oh anon, they aren't sissies, their egg(_irl) just cracked. They are getting gender euphoria and hardons when they wear lolita and that is important for them! Sissies experience much of the same important sexual feelings that trans people do. It's autogynephilia in both cases, and it is fairly used. You just think trans people have to be asexual which is wrong.

[Anonymous No.10598419]

>>10598414
>>10598382
Case and point. >>10598393 Clearly does not understand a libertarian or conservative perspective. Probably never tried to have a conversation with someone with libertarian views. Ruled by emotions with inability to speak on rational grounds.

Leftists can't even larp hard enough to try and dox. They would have to fool you into thinking they are also libertarian in order for you to reveal your identity. But they wouldn't be able to. They can't larp an ideology they don't even understand lol.

[Anonymous No.10598420]

>>10598399
So..... what you're saying is some can wear Die Walkure or other military themes and not actually support Nazi ideology?? You don't say XD

[Anonymous No.10598429]

>>10598419
Thanks for proving you don't know the definition of libertarianism or conservatism

[Anonymous No.10598430]

>>10598401
you sure like to make assumptions about the personal beliefs of designers don't you

[Anonymous No.10598431]

>>10598410
Bruh I'm talking about food, insurance for $800 insulin people would literally die without, and clean water. Fuck off with your straw man arguments.

[Anonymous No.10598434]

>>10598431
sure. Sorry facial feminization surgery isn't free. /s

[Anonymous No.10598459]

>>10598415
I am one of them but don't Care. Sorry Not sorry

[Anonymous No.10598474]

>>10598401
that is literally the most retarded thing I've heard all week

financially supporting "beliefs" would be donating to politicians and shit

these are fucking clothes

[Anonymous No.10598478]

I've one of the bigger wardrobes. I have zero community interactions other than here. Comm seems full of itas, like 2 or 3 well dressed women...genderspecials put me off. Online coord shots seem stiff and boring and now with all the poly trash they combine boring with cheap. I'l wear my clothes and enjoy my days. Thats it really.

[Anonymous No.10598480]

>>10598414
>>10598419
I'm a libertarian too and I also struggle with not being able to openly discuss my ideology. It's not like I always have to talk about it, but when something comes up in conversation that I feel strongly about I want to have the freedom to speak my mind and have the others at least attempt to understand my perspective. I don't even care about other lolitas not sharing my views, what kills me is that trying to talk about it is always going to be met with negative bias and animosity.
That being said, it helps no one to be reductive. You talk about leftists as if they're by definition unable to speak rationally and that's just not true. Just like how libertarians aren't always rational either. The tone you use makes it seem like you look down on them to the point of disgust and that's only going to alienate the sides from eachother more.

[Anonymous No.10598486]

>>10598480
>I also struggle with not being able to openly discuss my ideology.
In what context? Because I’m imagining you sperging about your views at meetups

[Anonymous No.10598487]

I being a scrote would be a bannable offense on /cgl/'s lolita threads.

[Anonymous No.10598488]

I wish being a scrote would be a bannable offense on /cgl/'s lolita threads.

[Anonymous No.10598491]

Some of it is very toxic, judgy, autistic, bullying.
Other parts are way too inclusive and allow people to alter the fashion too much and say someone's absolute trash ita coord is "perfect" instead of giving concrit.
Overall exactly like the emo community I was part of ages ago. There is absolutely no difference. Except lolita kept itself pure to some extent, while emo is synonymous with egirl prostitute trash and e-fuckboys.

[Anonymous No.10598492]

>>10598491
>emo is synonymous with egirl prostitute trash
So is sweet lolita

[Anonymous No.10598493]

>>10598345
>>10598286
She said she's married, retards. As an also spoken-for woman, my experience also shows that men's communities (save for gaming/anime communities, which are arguably co-ed), while by no means perfect, tend to produce less petty gossip and very little constant drama. Sorry you didn't get picked.

[Anonymous No.10598494]

This thread kinda prooves it, the community is mostly circling around things not related to the fashion in the slightest. I guess I'm salty but seeing poorly dressed men getting endless asspats on CoF is what ended the interest in the Facebook communities for me. The likes and all have nothing to do with the fashion at that point. Also, it's pretty hard to explain but I sometimes feel like some people just want to change the entire fashion for themselves without going through the effort to make it work for them.

[Anonymous No.10598495]

>>10598493
>tend to produce less petty gossip and very little constant drama
That’s because, as a women, you’re not really included in the shit going on.

[Anonymous No.10598497]

I was always the sort of person to avoid drama and learned to ignore any of the ita-y people in my comm and just get on with my life as they'd eventually disappear. I love the central core of my comm. Some of them aren't the best dressers but really nice people so I tend to just ignore when, perhaps, they don't look their best. I know my own looks aren't always perfect, such is life. I took the same approach in online FB groups - scrolling past the ones that flagged to me as cringy or sissy or whatever.

For some reason, seeing >>10598358 on BSOLF really really pissed me off. Sure, we've seen obvious sissys appear on there before but this one has taken the biscuit. I can't even put it correctly into words as I'm not sure why exactly it was this post in particular. I'm a member of BSOLF as it used to have genuinely good questions, it feels like now it's just a bunch of absolute shite. Maybe it's always been trash but I've grown more tired of the crap as I grow older? Every single comment was positive when I saw this post. This is a maid costume with heart glasses. This isn't EGL. It also unsettles me that (I looked at his profile) he looks like he lives semi-near me. If he's pandered more, then it's possible he'll look for a comm sometime soon and it'll likely be mine. The idea makes me sick.

After seeing this post I looked through COF and looked at the like count for various photos. So many of the perfectly normal ones rarely scrape 100 whereas some absolute fucking shite gets 4-5 times more.

I wear and am active in both lolita and kimono comms. I often compare them in my head as they have comm similarities. They both obviously come from Japan. They both have rules one should keep to. They both attract weebs and hence both comms occasionally have to deal with assholes turning up on costumes saying their looks are just as valid as those who have spent a lot of money and time perfecting their looks. But kimono comms are often better at combating freaks and creeps.

[Anonymous No.10598501]

>>10598492
Lolita will one day become as bad as the cosplay community where everyone has an onlyfans just because its the done thing

[Anonymous No.10598504]

>>10598497
>fter seeing this post I looked through COF and looked at the like count for various photos. So many of the perfectly normal ones rarely scrape 100 whereas some absolute fucking shite gets 4-5 times more.

this is why i go to CoF threads here instead of the real thing. no like count-based algorithm decides what i see there, because the ones with a high like count are usually just over-the-top, efamous, or men/genderspecials, but the ones i actually like the most tend to fly under the radar

[Anonymous No.10598507]

>>10598504
Completely agree. I wonder if we could all start liking the normal coords we see on COF? I'm going to start liking all of the more generic, simple photos even if I don't particular like them/ they're not my style.

[Anonymous No.10598538]

>>10598389
bold of you to assume I'm a liberal.

You just sound like a stupid crybaby to anyone on the political spectrum. Maybe you should go somewhere and deal with it.

[Anonymous No.10598540]

>>10598083
I'm still so annoyed at myself for selling this dress. It was really soft and comfortable.

[Anonymous No.10598560]

>>10598083
>H&M will have an actual lolita dress
they actually have a "lolita-inspired" collection by the designer simone rocha atm

[Anonymous No.10598571]

>>10598560
I did buy a lot of that collection for my general wardrobe. It is reasonably priced and well made. I'd recommend it if it's still in stock in your country/ you see a good deal second hand.

[Anonymous No.10598574]

>>10598560
lolita inspired doesn’t count. Also this is larme shit

[Anonymous No.10598575]

Half-related but I really think trannies are a bit creepy. Discovered this through the fashion.
Being a classic lolita onnagata myself, I find it incredibly strange seeing someone else do it while pretending and believing himself to be an actual woman.
Also because of people like that everyone assumes bad things about me. Trannies really piss me off.
I just wanna be like Hizaki, not become an actual woman

[Anonymous No.10598604]

>>10598538
>bold of you to assume I'm a liberal
So how would you describe yourself?
>inb4 "centrist"
The goalposts have moved so far in the last 20 years, that word has lost all meaning. So don't use it here.

[Anonymous No.10598610]

>>10598574
>this
>larme

I mean, it’s not AP, but this looks nothing like larme. It’s not lolita either, but the detailing and slightly creepy mood definitely recalls old school.

[Anonymous No.10598613]

>>10598574
>this
>larme
you sound like a newfag who has never even looked into the magazine, also the designer is a oldfag weeb that makes 90s jfash inspired designs

[Anonymous No.10598615]

>>10598610
>>10598613

I want to think they actually just meant lame, and not larme but we they're probably just unaware of what larme is like

[Anonymous No.10598617]

>>10598571
That’s nice to hear anon, I was tempted but H&M stuff I’ve had in the past has been poor quality (almost as if it was sewn by third world children). Idk how this collection was produced but I’ll keep an eye out for it second hand.

[Anonymous No.10598618]

>>10598575
Stop larping and lurk for another year until you at least learn common terms, retarded scrote. Both you and the trannies are bad and should fuck off.

[Anonymous No.10598620]

>>10598617
yeah, their normal stuff is terrible but I find their collabs to be good quality. I got some of the William Morris stuff a few years ago and that's also well produced.

[Anonymous No.10598627]

It’s full of insecure and hurt people who project their insecurity into others and believe it’s fine to hurt them

Real life meetings tend to be okay as you can choose who you talk to and people in general are less likely going to be bitches when talking to someone face to face

Online it’s chaos, the algorithm will end up showing you the most vocal members of the community who tend to be the worst ones. Also, as far left as I am, I have to agree that virtue signaling about serious social problems in a stupid way has become a real problem, I blame it on USA lolitas, their country activism is total batshit and completely based on individual responsibility and shaming others

[Anonymous No.10598634]

>>10598164
This board has gone to shit too since the pandemic, literally just the same shit repeated over and over again and everyone going crazy over every tiny hint of "drama" they can find

[Anonymous No.10598635]

>>10598634
It’s been like this since at least 2016. It’s just gotten worse and worse

[Anonymous No.10598655]

>>10598635
This.

[Anonymous No.10598656]

>>10598604
Who said I was a centrist? You’ll never know what I am, because I don’t need to advertise what I am on 4chan to become friends with other lolitas, since I’m not an autistic social outcast in my comm, like you apparently are.

[Anonymous No.10598658]

>>10598635
Things started getting worse than usual with OTT classic

[Anonymous No.10598664]

>>10598571
>reasonably prices
>$200-$300 on average

I know we spend a lot of money on frivolous dresses, but let's not pretend it's reasonably priced

[Anonymous No.10598665]

>>10598658
I never heard of OTT classic, is that the nu wave classic thats kinda more hime/rococo than classic?

[Anonymous No.10598678]

>>10598635
You shoulda seen it in 2008 if you think it’s bad now

[Anonymous No.10598682]

>>10598665
Yeah

[Anonymous No.10598683]

>>10598665
It’s the thing with the art print dresses and skewer crowns

[Anonymous No.10598685]

>>10598678
in 2008 /cgl/ was 99% cosplay with a single lolita thread everyone posted in

[Anonymous No.10598688]

>>10598618
I'm posting on Crystal Cafe and you can't stop me.

[Anonymous No.10598703]

>>10598688
Go ahead and join your tranny brethren

[Anonymous No.10598709]

>>10598703
My descendants are smiling at me, lesbo. Can you say the same?

[Anonymous No.10598719]

>>10598501
I can't stop thinking that it's exactly where we are headed. If you look at porn sites they are overflowing with cosplay and Japanese style makeup.

Something so pure as jfash is being destroyed by Western thots and it pisses me off because nothing can be done about it.

[Anonymous No.10598759]

>>10598493
>She said she's married, retards
it's not about wanting to be picked to marry anyone, dummy lol it's about her trying to be part of a community that's not meant for her, and trying very hard to defend it in hopes that she'll be "accepted". The same vibe as "I'm SO different from the other girls"

[Anonymous No.10598764]

>>10598575
"ErMaHgErD HeEs GuNnA StEeL mAh WeEmÔnHoOd!"

OK transphobe.

[Anonymous No.10598767]

>>10598764

Not that anon but nobody should have to be forced to accept others.

[Anonymous No.10598772]

>>10598764
Nayrt but it’s hilarious that people use transphobe/transphobic as an insult. You’re goddamn right I’m afraid of a man with mental illness severe enough to mutilate himself and that has a 90% chance of being a violent misogynist or sexual predator.

[Anonymous No.10598774]

>>10598076
"FeEl DaH sUpEeRiOrItEe Uv MaH NaChUrAL GoDdEsS-giVeN vUgJyNuH"

Your sentence, in a pea-shell

[Anonymous No.10598776]

>>10598170
OK transphobe.

[Anonymous No.10598778]

Men pretending to be women are deranged as we see in this thread

[Anonymous No.10598779]

>>10598211
Says the one who would think it's A-OKAY to inspect a child's genitalia without their consent. Strange behavior for a "feminist".

[Anonymous No.10598781]

>>10598405
Just GTFO of lolita entirely then. ^_^

[Anonymous No.10598782]

>>10598779
Nayrt but a hy do you trannies always bring up peoples genitals, and specifically children’s genitalia? That’s not what crosses our minds when we say we are concerned about troons. And we don’t have to look at your genitals to clock you.

[Anonymous No.10598787]

>>10598782
Because transactivism focuses most of all on the rights of children to transition medically. Children's genitals not being mutilated is a source of obsession for trans and AGP pervs. It's something that will always be brought up and childrens spaces they keep trying to infiltrate.
>>10598781
41% yourself <3

[Anonymous No.10598794]

>>10598787

It's creepy that this person is seeing nothing wrong with imposing it's will upon the flesh of other people's children.

[Anonymous No.10598795]

>>10598774
You will never be a woman. You will never look as good in lolita as women.

[Anonymous No.10598798]

>>10598688
That's fine, we all left it ever since you fucks invaded it a few months after it was created. Have fun larping with other men.

[Anonymous No.10598802]

>>10598787
>there’s literally no other humane way to let children grow up other than forcing them to take unnecessary and potentially harmful hormones to block their natural process of growing up

Literally retarded

[Anonymous No.10598805]

>>10598658
At least we weren't completely flooded with oversensitive newfags who refuse to adapt to imageboard culture, fatties, scrotes and 0 moderation back then. I'd trade 2013/14 cgl over the downward spiral we are in now for any cost.

[Anonymous No.10598807]

Call me a closet fucking lesbo bitch, but a man comfortable with himself and his interest in women's luxury fashion, who wears it right, is sexy as fuck
I love Mana so fucking much

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxGF2uSNrEI

[Anonymous No.10598810]

>>10598807
I don't think you understand the term lesbian.

[Anonymous No.10598812]

discuss

[Anonymous No.10598813]

>>10598812
>>10598807
>>10598709
>>10598688
>>10598575
Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.10598816]

>>10598812
I didnt fall in love with egl because of some dude. I fell in love because other women wore it and looked divine

[Anonymous No.10598817]

>>10598812
Boycott moitie

[Anonymous No.10598819]

>>10598816
>some dude
kys

[Anonymous No.10598827]

>>10598819
Fucking what now.

[Anonymous No.10598833]

>>10598807
Why is he holding the cape in front of himself the whole time? Is he secretly fat or something?

[Anonymous No.10598838]

>>10598833
baiting me to check what's underneath it huhu

Really now, I love his autism and flamboyant gestures.

[Anonymous No.10598847]

>>10598812
Nothing to discuss. He is perfection.

[Anonymous No.10598854]

>>10598366
Libertarians aren't the same as conservatives. And we don't want to opress people. We want freedom and open discussions.

[Anonymous No.10598860]

>>10598255
What's really pathetic is crazy lefties not being able to handle the opinions of someone as milque toast as a libertarian.

[Anonymous No.10598867]

>>10598854
>And we don't want to opress people. We want freedom
Oppression goes hand in hand with white understanding of freedom.

[Anonymous No.10598868]

>>10598867
It's always about race isn't it? I want *everyone* to have freedom, POC included. To assume that POC need the government to "help" them be successful in life because they can't do it themselves is racist. You're racist.

[Anonymous No.10598873]

>>10598112
This. Just looking at the derailment upthread.

[Anonymous No.10598874]

>>10598868
BIPOC want to be treated like children but only if everyone pretends they aren’t treating them like children. If you mention the advantages they’re being given under threat of violence they’ll call you racist

[Anonymous No.10598876]

>>10598873
Deal with it Euro-fag.

[Anonymous No.10598885]

>>10598860
>>10598854
right lol
most libertarians have beliefs that align with leftist beliefs, they just come at it from a different perspective ("muh freedom")

most libertarians are pro-choice, anti-police/prison-industrial complex, against most restrictions on gay / trans people, against the war on drugs, it's just a different philosophy driving those stances than it is with leftists

[Anonymous No.10598888]

>>10598876
No. This is a japanese fashion and cosplay board not your political sperging blog.

[Anonymous No.10598894]

>>10598885
We were leftist... at some point before wokeness became the new left.

[Anonymous No.10598898]

>>10598868
Just say you don't get it. You have the same talking points as a conservative.

[Anonymous No.10598899]

>>10598898
You don't get it. But of course if anyone who denys their racism it proves that they're racist right?

[Anonymous No.10598901]

>be upset about men thinking they are women in lolita fashion specifically
>check thread 2 hours later
>full on amerinigger sperging
>shitty cliche buzzwords about their shit country's politics
The a absolute state of cgl

[Anonymous No.10598904]

Irl: my comm is very small and not many people keep up to date with new releases and things so it's hard to know what to talk about.

Online: 90% of lolitas live in a bubble. Closet Of Frills has gone to absolute shit in the past 2 years for some reason. Someone could pair flats with a work blouse and the comments are like omg we stan. While I think majority of lolitas are sour bastards,we have gone the other way to the point where telling people their 12 inch Pleaser dominatrix heels aren't suitable for lolita can cause people to run and get for the mods.

[Anonymous No.10598905]

>>10598901
If I was free to speak anywhere else I would.

[Anonymous No.10598907]

>>10598904
Follow up from this

OTT sweets need to chill the fuck out and realise that they have no fucking idea what they're talking about when it comes to the other substyles. "It would be nicer with pink teaparties and KC" on a classic lolita coord or "the black shoes don't go with the coord!" on an obviously very oldschool coord

Shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.10598920]

>>10598656
So you're a troll, just effing with people on an anon board. Go back to /pol/, larper.

[Anonymous No.10598925]

>>10598907
How many of those people giving that crit are actually well dressed sweet lolitas, though?

[Anonymous No.10598931]

I’m a lonelita. I stopped participating in facebook lolita groups because it’s easier for me to just curate a feed of good coords to look at on instagram, and most of the discussion topics in lolita facebook groups are irrelevant to me (mental/physical illness, racism in the usa, plus size clothes, etc). I only come to cgl now because I like to see thoughts on the actual quality and design of the clothes, which still gets discussed in some threads here.

[Anonymous No.10598947]

I’m so sick and tired of putting together actual lolita coords and posting them as often as I can, only for them to get overshadowed by sissies and itas. The online comm has gone to shit.

[Anonymous No.10598948]

>>10598413
ask me how i know you've never been to japan or know any japanese people

[Anonymous No.10598953]

>>10598414
I'd rather have a group or social media site.

[Anonymous No.10598960]

>>10598947
The fact you're even competing with rejects for internet attention is sad, anon. Please respect yourself more, you deserve better.

[Anonymous No.10599003]

Lolitas are lying to themselves when they say "lolita isn't a costume!! >:("

[Anonymous No.10599005]

>>10598948
NTA but Japan is put on a pedestal by weebs and tourists thinking everyone and everything in that country can do no wrong.

[Anonymous No.10599009]

>>10598395
..but wasn't the whole point of dressing in lolita back then a type of rebellion against said conservative culture?? It's an unusual and flashy fashion that can alienate the ordinary onlooker and often goes hand in hand with their goth scene.

[Anonymous No.10599011]

>>10598764
Are you sure you understood the comment you replied to

[Anonymous No.10599041]

>>10598787
>>10598794
It's because it's men who don't think like women imposing these ideas. Literally woman's biology is to protect children. This is not that. They sound like predators

[Anonymous No.10599042]

>>10598805
Bro. There's moderation, but they only do something as sensitive SJW fucks. They don't do jack shit otherwise. The board is not the same with these bad mods. At least Miyu posted cosplay, fucking shit mods

[Anonymous No.10599077]

>>10598947
i get the frustration of being overshadowed in the online comm, but make sure you're enjoying yourself in the fashion offline too. if your enjoyment comes primarily from posting online please just sell your wardrobe and go

[Anonymous No.10599122]

>>10599009
Japan's liberal culture is completely different from America/the west's liberal culture. BLM was largely ignored by native Japanese because they don't have enough black people to care for example. They're so much less PC.

[Anonymous No.10599126]

>>10598812
Japanese culture has nothing to do with current year western TRA rhetoric. I doubt Mana would ever demand his right to use the women's bathroom and ask little girls if they want him to teach them how to insert tampons.

[Anonymous No.10599131]

>>10598904
I'm angry how e-girl/emo shit style is contaminating lolita coords, as I said I don't mind brolitas or any gender as long they dress fine, I mind itas that want to use this crap in lolita even if they are cis women. I see also some defending drag queen makeup in lolita, please no. >>10599003
Ikr totally, they say this but what they wear it's OTT outfits only for pictures and meets because they consider lolita as a costume/cosplay, not as clothing to use anytime in their daily life. With other jfashion like larme, gyaru (also neo-gyaru) and so on this issue is less common because the wearers use their items as actual clothing for their free time, daily life and work if possible.
It's easy to wear lolita daily if people won't insist to get these OTT tulle and lace mess shit instead of more functional and less fussy items.

[Anonymous No.10599133]

>>10599122
Nayrt but Japanese people are pretty "PC" in the sense that it isn't socially acceptable to hold super strong opinions and is seen as strange/offputting, the things that are considered offensive are just different there because context is different. Like with BLM, sure they don't have enough black people to "care" but also all non Asian foreigners are pretty much treated as other or different so people being black has less to do with it, completely different context than America or the west (and Africa) where African slave trade, apartheid, Jim Crowe, and tons of other compounding factors are relevant.

[Anonymous No.10599162]

>>10599077
This. So many people in this thread are weak as fuck.

[Anonymous No.10599164]

>>10599131
>>10598492
>emo
You guys are fucking idiot zoomers. I don't know where the fuck any of you think anyone is wearing emo nowadays. We're not in the early 2000's. No, egirl style is NOT emo. Fuck. You guys are idiots, stop larping like you've seen a shit ton of change to lolita when you don't even know what actual emo looks like.

[Anonymous No.10599167]

>>10599164
e-girl shit is nu-emo/scene.

[Anonymous No.10599168]

>>10599162
This thread is about comms

[Anonymous No.10599173]

>>10598812
Mana said trans rights
:^)

[Anonymous No.10599174]

>>10599126
not all trans people are John Yaniv and twitter goons anon.
Those need to be exterminated, that said.

[Anonymous No.10599181]

>>10599174
Not all are like Yaniv but they all benefit (especially the goons) when trans are accepted without question.

[Anonymous No.10599183]

>>10599168
Nta but OP meant the lolita community overall

[Anonymous No.10599187]

>>10598772
>90% chance of being a violent misogynist or sexual predator.
Have you ever actually met a tranny irl

[Anonymous No.10599189]

>>10599187
Nayrt but I have and that number sounds right

[Anonymous No.10599193]

>>10599167
It's neither. Emo and Scene weren't even in the same ballpark, idiot.

[Anonymous No.10599194]

>>10599187
Yeah. They still look like dudes, still have raging testosterone. Imagine, guys who already suck at managing their emotions then deciding to take estrogen. What wonders unfold from psychopathic emotional outbreaks with no idea of how to manage emotions. You just get muscly psychopath. No one wants to be around that shit.

[Anonymous No.10599196]

>>10599193
>Emo and Scene weren't even in the same ballpark
do you have brain damage?

[Anonymous No.10599211]

>>10599164
Found the triggered emo kid. E-kids are most definitely nu scene/emo and are just as if not more annoying.

[Anonymous No.10599213]

>>10599131
Yep. As a daily lolita it makes me cringe so hard whenever I see people complain about not being able to wear lolita outside of cons/meets because it's "too fancy" or "uncomfortable" like
Maybe don't wear your biggest petti, 63638 accessories, a huge veil, and your most ott op then? It's really not that hard to wear normal every day coords that aren't even necessarily casual

[Anonymous No.10599215]

>>10599193
You seem to be thinking about the true early aughts emo style but that was swallowed by stereotypical MySpace “emo” by the mid 2000s. Scene style was formed by the mall goth/emo “style” clashing with the generic normie internet girl style at the time. Current egirl style is taking elements from cosplay, “jfashion” (really just aliexpress knockoffs of knockoffs), and scene style,

[Anonymous No.10599217]

>>10599215
And pastel goth. Pastel goth “style” is probably the biggest influence on egirl style. Pastel goth was the first time jfashion elements crossed over with western alt fashion.

[Anonymous No.10599221]

If you think that only westerners are bad, this video is tagged with gothic lolita

[Anonymous No.10599223]

>>10599217
>Pastel goth was the first time jfashion elements crossed over with western alt fashion.
holy shit no.

[Anonymous No.10599227]

>>10599223
Please show me where else then? Because sites like ROMWE and SHEIN started back then and made replicas of jfash clothing items like the Syrup sheet collar dress, or the Katie collared cat shirt, and those were worn by girls on lookbook and tumblr who know they were knockoffs. Tumblr in general introduced a new generation of teens to jfash, the way tiktok is now.

[Anonymous No.10599229]

>>10599227
I meant *didn’t know they were knockoffs
this was a onespo replica they sold

[Anonymous No.10599241]

>>10598268
This honestly hits me really hard. I'm so sorry, anon. Seeing things like this really make me hate myself for having been too chicken shit to have starting earlier. I feel completely trapped in this nu-sweet dumpster fire and the only escape is digging up the fossilized content that's still left and just mourning the lose of enthusiastic creators like you.

[Anonymous No.10599246]

>>10599223
>>10599227
>>10599229
Pastel goth is jfashion, only because japanese fashions like Listen Flavor made it. Listen flavor still produces pastel goth fashion to this day, honestly. There is some cross over to Western goth elements but that's because goth is international, but ROMWE and SHEIN are chinese companies. It just was trendy, so companies in china like usual produced shit similar.

[Anonymous No.10599258]

>>10598664
You obviously have no idea how much quality garment fabrics cost per yard, especially custom fabric. That's not even considering notions. You'll still end up spending $200+ per making your own dresses. What you're missing is that better quality garments are more expensive upfront but will last much longer than cheap trash. It's slow vs. fast fashion 101, anon.

[Anonymous No.10599264]

My local comms are pretty chill, online is a hellscape though and I hate how coddly it has become. If you give any concrit that's not meek and submissive asspats you're instantly labeled as a bully. Like sorry not sorry but I don't sugarcoat things just because it's babby's first coord. Direct concrit best concrit.

[Anonymous No.10599265]

>>10598145
Well what are your interests then?

[Anonymous No.10599268]

>>10598178
>women gossip way too much men are way less drama

Gtfo then

[Anonymous No.10599272]

>>10598210
>more of a collector's thing
Agreed, and I also think this boomed with the pandemic. Ime most lolitas only wear the fashion to go out and with nowhere to go, they kinda just start collecting.

[Anonymous No.10599283]

>>10599181
NAYRT but that's like taking one abusive mother and saying all women benefit from being given rights to their children during divorce. It's a misinterpretation of the actual situation and even then doesn't detract from the overall problem of misogyny. I don't see how an actual reasonable person could benefit from a situation they were never going to take advantage of anyways and it's not like Yaniv was freely allowed to be a creep, they were immediately ostracized by general society after the whole tampon thing afaik.

>>10599268
Kek right? If you hate women so much go hang out with the car boys. Or join a brolita community if you think women are the root of the problem. See how that goes.

[Anonymous No.10599304]

>>10598833
I did notice a bit of chunk on him when he was seated and promoting the tea cups.

[Anonymous No.10599316]

>>10598885
Libertarians are retards. Seriously. Never in my life have I met a single one with more than 2 brain cells, both of which are exclusively reserved for explaining why we don't need roads and screaming about legalizing pot.

[Anonymous No.10599318]

Tbh I don't really think it's a gender thing. The only place I ever hear anything about creepy men taking over is on here, and the occasional reminder asking people not to drag their normie bfs to events.

I used to love the community but now it just seems super cringey. It's not just fakebois and gender specials. It seems like a much broader culture shift. Everyone expects to be catered to. Everyone is expected to participate in the mob mentality whenever somebody does something they disagree with. I'm so over the whole let's-pretend-everything-that-offends-me-makes-you-a-nazi thing. It seems like even inane disagreements are legitimate grounds for a total meltdown in the comm, and that's honestly just exhausting af.

[Anonymous No.10599322]

>>10598268
>I'm tired of everyone and their “i want to be an experimental kawaii princess” shit.
I feel this. It seems like lolita is a passing fancy for most people, or just something to experiment with for insta points. It's really hard now to find friends who are genuinely interested or knowledgeable in the lifestyle/fashion itself.

[Anonymous No.10599324]

>>10598795
>You will never look as good in lolita as women
*looks up Mana and brolitas*
*looks at the sea of fugly whales on CoF*

ehhhhh. There are plenty of bio-men who look WAY better than women in lolita.

[Anonymous No.10599337]

>>10599318
>honestly just exhausting af.
My views on the comm to a T. I guess we all just forgot the part where lolita is meant to be a fun escapism.

[Anonymous No.10599338]

Lolita basically just went the way of cosplay. What started out as a hobbyist sub-culture for enjoyment has evolved into a monetized community where it's everyone for themselves for clout, new releases, 2nd hand market leads, etc.
A girl in my local comm got caught giving shit ig advice to try to stunt other people's growth. There was always a bit of competitiveness in lolita, but lately it just feels really ott.

[Anonymous No.10599339]

>>10599338
I'm seeing an increased interest for gothic and it worrries me

[Anonymous No.10599340]

>>10599338
>giving away shit ig advice to stunt other lolitas growth
That is fucked. Does she not understand the principal of 5 mediocre girls next to each other look as a whole hotter than they would if they were on their own? She leads a sad existence

[Anonymous No.10599344]

>>10599316
Clearly you've never met a single one at all. Your understanding is extremely shallow.

[Anonymous No.10599351]

>>10599246
pastel goth entered jfashion because the trend was being worn by other people. it was not invented by listen flavor. it wasnt even listen flavor being worn often back then besides their lavender bat sweater. the replicas being made back then were not of listen flavor clothing. i think pastel goth influenced japanese fashions like yamikawaii. the kreepsville bows were worn by kotakoti, pastelbat, andi autumn and eva cheung, they were the main inspirations of that trend.

[Anonymous No.10599352]

>>10599344
nta but yeah. Libertarians are fucking stupid. So so so so so so many examples.

[Anonymous No.10599355]

>>10599344
A libertarian talking about shallow understanding LMAO. I'm literally dying laughing at this comment.

[Anonymous No.10599380]

>>10599344
Anon, every libertarian I’ve ever met has been either stoners who think that anything they’re too dumb to understand must be a sign of bloated government or tragic middle children who see contrarian politics as a way to seek the attention they desperately crave.

[Anonymous No.10599384]

>>10599351
Pastel goth has been in and out of Lolita fashion since the 90s. Not sure why people get so butthurt about it.

[Anonymous No.10599388]

>>10599258
lolita is not quality garments, it's expensive because it's niche and it can be. it's an exclusivity tax. only poor people think that price indicates quality.

[Anonymous No.10599389]

>>10599351
those items were already being produced for the fashion though. it was pooularized by the west as "pastel goth" but this kind of thing already existed in japan before it came about. just because it wasn't called that in japan doesn't mean it didn't already exist there.

[Anonymous No.10599390]

>>10599388
It used to be rip. I was going through my old school pieces and damn they were nicely made.
>>10599389
It’s like people completely forgot about, for example, the lavender black colorway of carnival applique.

[Anonymous No.10599392]

>>10599380
>tragic middle children
Where is the lie....
>>10599388
I disagree. The quality now is certainly not what it used to be, but even now AP still does single stitched finishing and other structural features you won’t find on a cheapo dress.

[Anonymous No.10599394]

>>10599388
>exclusivity tax
Only newfags and poorfag think Lolita is “exclusive”

[Anonymous No.10599396]

>>10599355
>>10599380
Again you know nothing except shallow stereotypes. I'm a libertarian because my ideals align with libertarianism. I don't even like weed but people have a right to put what they want into their bodies. And more government seems to be the solution to everything even when the government is the direct cause of the problem.

[Anonymous No.10599397]

>>10599352
Give one example. I'm tired of generalizations. You have a shallow understanding of libertarian philosophy.

[Anonymous No.10599423]

>>10599397
Imagine being so stupid, you don’t even know how to google all the stupid shit mainstream libertarians have said. Throwback to Gary Johnson being booed off the stage at the libertarian debate for saying that he supports fucking driver’s licenses. I repeat. LIBERTARIANS ARE FUCKING MORONS.

[Anonymous No.10599424]

>>10599423
Who needs drivers licenses when you’ve got no roads?!? Lmao

[Anonymous No.10599426]

>>10599397
NTA but I could give you hundreds. Libertarianism is just objectivism for stupid people. Both idealogies are utterly useless outside of some mildly amusing thought exercises.

[Anonymous No.10599427]

>>10599423
I’ll say the same thing to libertarians as I do to these idiot leftist communist wannabes. If you think it’s so great, why don’t you try living in one of these countries with no government? Why not move to China, Russia, North Korea etc. ? Go see how that works out for you.

[Anonymous No.10599429]

>>10599427
>countries with no government
>China, Russia, North Korea
Excuse me?

[Anonymous No.10599433]

>>10599429
Obviously that’s for the wannabe commies.

[Anonymous No.10599434]

>>10599433
What year are you from?

[Anonymous No.10599435]

>>10599427
>one of these countries with no government
Funny thing about libertarianism. There’s not a single libertarian country in the world. Libertarianism is essentially an elaborate larp.

[Anonymous No.10599436]

>>10599434
90s baby

[Anonymous No.10599437]

>>10599427
Except I'm not an ancap and I don't want to live in a country with no government. I never said that. You're strawmanning.

[Anonymous No.10599438]

>>10599427
This is kinda my answer to everything.

If you think trans-women and men in lolita is such a problem, go make your own comm.

[Anonymous No.10599440]

>>10599437
Bruh your whole ideology is a straw man. Iibertarians are fucking retarded. At least the alt right have a semi-functional approach to their new world order

[Anonymous No.10599441]

>>10599423
Basing the opinions of every libertarian on the Libertarian Party is extremely stupid.

[Anonymous No.10599442]

>>10599437
imagine thinking ur smart for repping the party that doesn't believe in drivers licenses lmao

[Anonymous No.10599443]

>>10599440
Okay if you're not going to actually provide any real rebuttal while attacking my position then just shut up.

[Anonymous No.10599444]

>>10599442
I'm not "in the party" minarchist libertarianism is just my philosophy.

[Anonymous No.10599445]

>>10599441
libertarianism as an ideology is stupid. It doesn't matter what the party says, or what individuals believe. The fundamental idea that we do not need substantial government for a country of our population, diversity, and land mass is utter idiocy.

[Anonymous No.10599446]

>>10599444
Anon ur philosophy is retarded

[Anonymous No.10599447]

>>10599444
LMAO I give you e-boy intellectualism. Actually hysterically stupid.

[Anonymous No.10599448]

>>10599445
Believing we need a big central government for such a large and spread out country is stupid.
I mean the EU worked out great didn't it? /s

[Anonymous No.10599450]

>>10599444
You literally asked for “examples” of libertarians being stupid, then backtracked so fucking fast. What a “philosophy”

[Anonymous No.10599451]

>>10599448
Face palm. Anon go read a book ugh

[Anonymous No.10599452]

>>10599448
funny. There's no libertarian country in the EU, in fact, they are generally quite over regulated by US standards but ok

[Anonymous No.10599454]

>>10599448
HAHAHAHHA fucking scrote. The EU is insanely over regulated, hence the poor gulls on here constantly complaining about the insane customs fees. Go back to the cave you crawled out of, you don’t belong here

[Anonymous No.10599455]

>>10599454
When I was studying in the UK I got hit with a $40 customs fee for a fucking pair of socks.

[Anonymous No.10599456]

>>10599454
... yeah that's my point.

[Anonymous No.10599460]

Maybe the comm would be less crazy if there wasn't an insane degree of manufactured scarcity. AP has no reason not to make more product other than to hype their brand. If the materials were expensive I would understand, but at this point it's just fueling this insane culture of buying, selling, and generally sperging out over every little thing.

[Anonymous No.10599464]

The scalping has gotten so bad I can't even enjoy the fashion anymore. I'm sorry but $80 for a pair of socks?!? $800 for a special set that literally went for $100 less than a year ago? I don't even bother trying to buy any socks or accessories direct from the brand anymore, and even second hand sites are picked clean in moments. I miss being able to have a prayer of buying an item I want to wear. I hate it when people try to cry "poorfag" or "newfag" or whatever too, because at the end of the day it's a fashion, and what brings me joy is being able to wear the clothes I love. The competitiveness is so crazy I just feel stifled and unable to grow my wardrobe.

[Anonymous No.10599465]

>>10599464
Ok poorfag

[Anonymous No.10599476]

>>10599464
It’s not scalping if the prices rise as an auction. That’s just the market changing. Seethe harder

[Anonymous No.10599478]

>>10598164
Completely agree with your first paragraph! Thanks for say it.

[Anonymous No.10599482]

>>10599476
NTA but scalping is what drives the auction prices so high. Anyone who's ever seen an AP release or gone on second-hand sites knows why it's nearly impossible to buy straight from the brand. Scalpers en masse are buying up items and dumping them at twice the price minutes after they buy it. It's a valid complaint about the current state of the comm, where it's basically impossible to complete your set without feeding the scalpers, which only increases the scalping problem. The only thing I hate more than scalpers are sissies.

[Anonymous No.10599483]

>>10599478
that's obviously a scrote hun

[Anonymous No.10599485]

>>10599482
> NTA but scalping is what drives the auction prices so high

You’re retarded. Opinion discarded

[Anonymous No.10599486]

>>10598276
>the difference is mostly related to good moderation
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

Of all the communities I've been part of, the lolita comm has some of the worst, ass backwards modding I've ever seen.

[Anonymous No.10599488]

>>10599485
>sigh<
someone needs to go back to eighth grade and learn about supply and demand I see.

[Anonymous No.10599489]

>>10599488
>sigh

Fuck off newfag

[Anonymous No.10599490]

>>10598764
This. >>10598772
Mentally ill people like these men pretending to be women need to seek help for these illnesses and not turn their penises inside out, pump their throats with hormones and slap on a wig and think "i'M uH WoOmEn." When you have to endure the full experience of being a woman like bleeding through your vagina for days, sometimes weeks at a time and rolling on the ground in agony during those days. Or when you pass a human being from your body the size of a small watermelon or endure mood swings out the wazoo. When menopause hits or when you endure sexism everyday. I can go on and on. Then you can call yourself a woman. No, these tranny faggots with XY chromosomes want the perks of being a woman without enduring the consequences of being one. Take your misogynistic views on real women out of our spaces and fuck right off the edge of my uterus. Keep calling us transphobes because at least we know who we are and what we want unlike swine like you that doesn't know what is up, down, left or right. We want YOU out of our spaces.

[Anonymous No.10599492]

>>10599486
> ass backwards modding

My comm mods did nothing when:
> a comm member shared non-consensual nudes to other members
>A member got caught stealing shit at an event
>A member kept bringing her abusive boyfriend to events

HOWEVER, gave an insta-ban when a girl defended Lor for the whole missclick-gate. Basically, mods only take action when the issue is trivial at best, and said action will score them woke points.

[Anonymous No.10599494]

>>10599490
LMAO be more of a scrote

[Anonymous No.10599497]

>>10598052
We're here, anon. We're just quiet. I'm sure a ton of people would appreciate the scans, when you have time.

[Anonymous No.10599500]

>>10599490
There is a 0% probability that a woman wrote this

[Anonymous No.10599501]

>>10598073
Some people like talking about mutual interests with people without having to explain from square one. You don't have to besties but it is definitely a rare pleasure to find someone you click with in the fashion.

[Anonymous No.10599502]

>>10599490
>We want YOU out of our spaces.

No, we want YOU out of our spaces.

[Anonymous No.10599504]

>>10599490
U really wrote this to try and accuse OTHER people of being mentally damaged? You sound absolutely unhinged. Take your meds crazy

[Anonymous No.10599505]

>>10599500
>>10599494
sounds like typical terf shit to me.

[Anonymous No.10599506]

>>10598920
Interestingly enough, this is my home board. So far you've been wrong about everything you've said about me, which is hilarious. Why is it so hard for you to accept that someone who considers /cgl/ their home board would find you cringy and insufferable? Die mad about it.

[Anonymous No.10599509]

>>10599489
Not new, just old and tired of this shit. I want to support the brands, not the leeches.

[Anonymous No.10599510]

>>10599505
Nah, women don't talk about their bodies like that. try again scrote scum.

[Anonymous No.10599511]

>>10599509
Sure jan

[Anonymous No.10599512]

>>10599510
go on lolcow and you'll see you're wrong.

[Anonymous No.10599513]

I think facebook kinda killed lolita for me. From then on, it sort of developed into this visual ass pats clout community that just really didn't vibe with me. I think lolita was about 900% better before mass social media.

[Anonymous No.10599517]

>>10599490
take your meds schizo

[Anonymous No.10599519]

>>10599512
like scrote trolls haven't infiltrated there. Tbh any time I hear terf talk I know it's someone really fucked up. Like honestly? Normal people don't spend their time that obsessed with anything, least of all what some other rando is doing with their life.

[Anonymous No.10599520]

>>10599519
There are a lot of crazy trans people for sure, but these psycho lesbo terfs are some of the most bizarre self-flagellating tubs of lard and sadness I've ever seen in my life.

[Anonymous No.10599521]

>>10599519
have you seen lolcow? it's 99% mentally ill women who obsess with men. it's like reverse /r9k/, complete with threads bitching that men only like x, y and z. crazy women exist too, you can't ignore them forever or they'll start to become dangerous.

[Anonymous No.10599525]

>>10599521
>>10599520
A scrote wrote these posts

[Anonymous No.10599529]

>>10599520
This. It's funny to me how one of the big talking points is that transwomen are sick in the head, meanwhile terfs are consistently the most psychotic people I've seen.

[Anonymous No.10599531]

>>10599525
try again. I'm >>10599520

it's not news. People have talked pretty extensively on here about the weird category of incel terf women in lolita.

[Anonymous No.10599533]

>>10599164
Anon, I'm a millennial in my early 30s, I lived already the time when "old school" emo was the hype, I don't want again this crap into lolita. Or at least say it's not lolita, just a frilly emo outfit.
>t. a goth that was some sort of emo during teenage years
>>10599193
From what I saw, scene and emo people intermingled often and shared music and similar clothing items.
>>10599213
Same, I'm more of a soft lolita/otome daily person than full lolita outfits (Axes femme is life) but I get annoyed when I see people saying "lolita is too much!I cannot wear it at work or when I go out!", bitch please get some plain jsks or skirts, simpler blouses or ditch them for cutsews, use more jackets and lolita parkas, plain shoes, tights or less decorated socks, totes instead of animal shaped bags, hair clips and small alice bands instead of OTT lace headdresses. I think many of these people cannot even coordinate a normie outfit that is different from a t-shirt and jeans/leggings, because lolita as a daily fashion requires a bit of coordination and general fashion knowledge to not look like a costume or ita. Sticking to dark and neutral colors help too, for example black, white, ivory, darker red, brown, beige, navy and royal blue and muted/grey toned pastels instead of raging bright pastels.

[Anonymous No.10599678]

>>10598931
same anon, same

[Anonymous No.10599712]

>>10599531
That's very scrote to write, AMAB.

[Anonymous No.10599943]

I love my local community. It's had its ups and downs over the years. But I enjoy our meets and get-togethers.

I enjoy attending large events, either at conventions, special large events, or big meets. I've met great people around the country and it's always great to see them and meet new people who are interested in the fashion.

Though when it comes to the online community, it's a different story. Ever since we've migrated away from LJ and scattered throughout different social media platforms, everyone is a character in it for their own dopamine hit. Everything is a show and a spectacle. Everything must be all or nothing, and up to scrutiny wrapped in a box labled "concrit".

I think /cgl wants to think they are above all of this. But the anon side of the community is just as full (if not more) of batshit loonies, larpers and roleplayers. People don't show their everyday coords as much anymore because of this. It's like the community only accepts perfection, and at that point, let's scrutinize everything else and project our own insecurities on others for show.

I honestly prefer to stay out of the online aspect and enjoy the fashion in-person where it's pleasant and down to earth.

[Anonymous No.10599997]

>>10599943
>People don't show their everyday coords as much anymore

i havent found this to be true, but like you said, it's a lot more scattered across social media platforms. there are so many accounts, for instance on instagram, where people post everyday coordinates, but they all have <1k followers, their posts get <100 likes, and they don't use hashtags/don't have regular posting schedules/don't have an instagram "theme" so their coordinate photos are mixed in at random with everyday photos of other things or other outfits.

there's no shortage of posts or accounts like this--they just have very low visibility. finding one is like a goldmine.

[Anonymous No.10600110]

>>10599490
This guy just mansplained womanhood to a board of women.

[Anonymous No.10600201]

>>10598178
I don't know most of my friends don't gossip lolita or not. They would even think that me reading cgl is too much. I think it just depends on person. Some gossip some don't.

[Anonymous No.10600243]

>>10598052
Do it, anon. There's a lot of us that'd really appreciate reading that old archived content. You have to ignore the online communities like any other online group.

[Anonymous No.10600248]

>>10598057
What reality are you living in so I can switch with you? It's not TERFy enough. I'm genuinely thinking of making a "womens only" lolita group and pretending I have no idea what trans, sissies, and enbies are so I can openly call them men. If a girl in my group sides with trans people, they'll get kicked out. It just makes me sad almost all comms have no spines.

[Anonymous No.10600379]

>>10598176
what kind of munching goes on, would you mind sharing some stories? I love hearing about the insane stuff munchies do