Lolita Indie Brands: Jobs Addition

[Anonymous No.10677364]

Puvithel is hiring. Thoughts on working for indie brands? In one hand creating jobs and money flow in the lolita space is a good thing. On the other hand local business owners are notorious for taking advantage of workers.

[Anonymous No.10677368]

>>10677364
>On the other hand local business owners are notorious for taking advantage of workers.
never heard about anything like that beyond for the big-name brands and mainstream kawaii stores

[Anonymous No.10677378]

>>10677368
Speaking from a general sense than lolita. Local business use the fact that they are local or niche to take advantage of employees. Examples like "I can't afford for you to work the hours we agreed upon but you understand?" Or "Could you do _____ off the clock?"

[Anonymous No.10677389]

>>10677378
>"Could you do _____ off the clock?"
I've never worked in retail only in offices but isn't this illegal?

[Anonymous No.10677393]

>>10677364
This is the only indie brand I’ve ever heard of that’s hiring. I’m shocked since her stuff is actually hideous and she’s pretty well known for not paying people. I can’t imagine an indie brand being able to provide benefits or anything so this has to be a pretty short term opportunity.

[Anonymous No.10677395]

>>10677393
Kaneko is hiring too

[Anonymous No.10677400]

>>10677393
>This is the only indie brand I’ve ever heard of that’s hiring
Pretty much every indie brand that isn't just a person handmaking everything hires once a while, even if it's just a customer service person to answer mails.

[Anonymous No.10677420]

>>10677368
You're either sheltered or willfully ignorant then.

[Anonymous No.10677425]

>>10677368
There's so much unpaid labor in lolita fashion. Tea Party Organization, unpaid modeling, photographers at meetups etc. At least she's paying people

[Anonymous No.10677432]

Before this turns into a vendetta thread and gets taken down in coming dump of new releases from Indie brands.

This was from June from Starry_frills. Has anyone got theirs yet?

[Anonymous No.10677433]

>>10677432
Fluffytori is releasing coats. Im skeptical of how warm they'll actually be.

[Anonymous No.10677434]

>>10677433
They've had coats before. These are probably the same but a slightly different design. Has anyone bought their other coats before?

[Anonymous No.10677435]

>>10677433
Lady Sloth is doing another made to order of Spooky Macarons.

[Anonymous No.10677437]

>>10677435
First release from Ruby Princess Sweetie Cake pop. Their otks are good quality

[Anonymous No.10677440]

>>10677437
Dandypuppeteer posted their new otks and this photo kek. Its stretchy I guess

End dump, behave ya'll!!

[Anonymous No.10677443]

>>10677434
My bad, I just grabbed any new items from lolita brands I could find.

[Anonymous No.10677463]

>>10677440
Nice pfp, onegaishi. And of course you have to shill your own brand shamelessly >>10677437

[Anonymous No.10677481]

>>10677463
Shill their own brand and then shit on Double Penetration when the DP socks though the colors here are a bit garish (as always, they really do pick the most loud and weird color combos instead of nice pastels) are actually something decent from them for once.

[Anonymous No.10677482]

>>10677481
They shit on Jo/Fluffy Tori's brand too >>10677433

As if they're one to talk, fucking scalper.

[Anonymous No.10677529]

>>10677440
>diagonal
They look like basic ass horizontal stripes but okay, keep deluding yourself Double Penetration.

[Anonymous No.10677556]

>>10677435
I never liked that pattern but holy fuck does it look better than other indie shit

[Anonymous No.10677584]

What's the kaneko shop drama on twitter?

[Anonymous No.10677590]

>>10677395
please anon give me link

[Anonymous No.10677592]

>>10677584
can someone recap what the fuck has happen?

[Anonymous No.10677594]

>>10677584
Just that they’re tired of people messaging them with stupid shit asking them to change their designs? Unless I missed something. They’ve made several posts about it now so it must be a recurring issue.

[Anonymous No.10677597]

>>10677584
I don’t follow them but is the designer being openly trans the news? Otherwise it seems pretty mundane.

[Anonymous No.10677598]

>>10677590
I went on their Twitter and this was all I found

[Anonymous No.10677599]

>>10677598
Not that big of a deal

[Anonymous No.10677603]

>>10677597
I’m pretty sure that’s been in their description forever anon. No one really cares as long as you’re not a sissy/eyesore.

[Anonymous No.10677606]

>>10677590
I can’t find any info about them hiring anywhere. Maybe they filled it already or changed their mind? They don’t seem like the size or type to hire desu

[Anonymous No.10677637]

>>10677590
It's in Russian
twitter.com/kaneko_shop/status/1366139213981372418

[Anonymous No.10677761]

>>10677440
>Onegaishi self posting and dumping on other indie brands
Gurl.

>>10677463
Good catch. Wow.

[Anonymous No.10677784]

>>10677463
Lmao
If she really wants us to talk about her brand we can do it!

Did we really needed ANOTHER plus size brand that does the same type of washed out pastel prints that are already oversaturating the market? I love the hustle, and I guess there is a market for plus size but her branching into dress making... eh. She should stick with buying low on jp sites and reselling it to the western market.

[Anonymous No.10677806]

>>10677637
Haшeмy бpeндy oдeжды Kaneko тpeбyeтcя пopтнoй для пoшивa экзeмпляpoв и мeлких пapтий издeлий. Глaвныe тpeбoвaния - oтвeтcтвeннocть, кaчecтвo и cкopocть пoшивa. Paбoтaть нa дoмy, cдeльнaя зп, в дaльнeйшeм мoжeм тpyдoycтpoить oфициaльнo. Пишитe в лc, или [e-mail]
PT!

Eastern Europe has shit wages, especially in the garment industry. This is a post asking for literal seamstresses that are fast and are willing to work unofficially.

They are promising "the possibility of future employment done officially(в дaльнeйшeм мoжeм тpyдoycтpoить oфициaльнo.)".
The perk of the job is that you can do it at home, but this isn't intended for Westerners because it likely requires you actually have experience in industrial backgrounds.

>>10677598
Also lmao @ "designer choices" and "devaluing their work" if you keep putting out unflattering cuts and people are telling you this, then maybe the customer is right.
Like what the fuck is this shit? Not even that Jewish wrestler Vyra could agree on the quality (check out her video she has questionable taste but literally explains why the garment construction choices were questionable(stitching was inappropriate for fabric type, steps were skipped etc)

[Anonymous No.10677927]

>>10677784
It makes you wonder what other things she spews about other brands and people on this board.

Not to mention her plus size brand is overpriced to hell to take advantage of fatties with limited options. Over 200 dollars for a TaoBao tier ""ouji"" set? Are you smoking crack?

[Anonymous No.10677929]

>>10677598
i like kaneko but they sure do whine on social media a lot goddamn

>>10677784
not to mention these cat ears. this color scheme would have probably appealed to a lot of people because of how neat and unusual it is but the cat ears just destroy the appeal. there are even people in the comments on instagram saying they won't wear it with the ears

[Anonymous No.10677936]

>>10677927
>take advantage of fatties with limited options
plus sized people have a lot of options in lolita. her prices are overpriced as fuck and all but no need to moralfag like she's committing a sin by overcharging fat people when she does it to everyone.

[Anonymous No.10677940]

>>10677529
The stripes are definitely at a slight diagonal on the normal photo, they just got stretched super horizontal from her putting both legs in them to show how big they can go.

[Anonymous No.10677942]

>>10677443
>I just grabbed any new items from lolita brands I could find.

no onegaishi you grabbed items you thought you could shit on to try to make yours seem better in comparison when it's all shit too

[Anonymous No.10677965]

>>10677440
>behave ya'll!!
You first. Stop tearing down other brands or issue an apology to them.

[Anonymous No.10677981]

>>10677965
She doesn't owe other brands an apology. She's allowed to have an opinion. People are just going to laugh at how stupid and desperate she looks because it's hilarious her $5 taobao tier shit is just as bad if not worse than the stuff she is trying to shit on. And I hope people see this and see she's shady and don't buy from her.

We already know she's just a scalper since her sunkittystudios LM account days. The only reason people call her overpriced and not a scalper/flipper now is because of the sweet boom making her prices seem normal in comparison but she was pricing stuff stupid high before that.

[Anonymous No.10677995]

>>10677981
I was wondering what became of that account. I suppose once the new tax rules take effect it will only be the scalpers shipping from Japan and China left, unless they're all using US paypal accounts.

[Anonymous No.10678191]

>>10677437
I don’t get why they don’t fucking make sure the apron is straight when taking photos like this

[Anonymous No.10678205]

>>10677440
Yeah, they’re trying to show the stretch on purpose to appeal to plus size people. Fuck right off onegaishi

[Anonymous No.10678207]

>>10677599
How does this make any sense? They want concrit but only for colors and fabrics??

[Anonymous No.10678220]

>>10677929
What is going on with that sad excuse of a peplum? Why yellow, navy and lavender with vomit green stars? Throw this into a skip and burn it.

[Anonymous No.10678265]

>>10678207
Yep. Apparently otherwise its offensive. They likely are in denial about being a shit designer. It's honestly a shame given that Russian atelier seamstressing actually is borrowed from the French. Kinda sad it looks like a taobao reject brand

[Anonymous No.10678287]

>>10677929
If you’re going to add ears to a JSK or apron, at least make them subtle. Seriously, what is this shit. Just make a matching headband at this point.

[Anonymous No.10678513]

Why can't we get some decent indie classic or gothic brands? I'm so sick of Western indie sweet shit, with the same AP rip-off prints in pastels and cutesy motifs.

[Anonymous No.10678519]

>>10678513
because they don't survive long

[Anonymous No.10678688]

>>10678513
In my opinion I think part of it may be because classic brands have historically (pun not intended) been known for better construction so there's a lot more to live up to when selling to classic lolitas imo, and western designers can't even tailor well enough for sweet, let alone have the skills to execute classic well. And for that level of construction and detail a small indie seamstress would have to charge a lot more. There have been some indie makers with a higher price point that lean classic, off the top of my head, IxDoxDeclare and 4-clock (if she's still around).

As for gothic, I guess there are a handful of western goth brands that have dipped into lolita now and then but I don't know, the community and thus demand seems even smaller. And I do wear gothic, so I would be open to it as well.

[Anonymous No.10678689]

>>10678688
Oops, that's 4-o'clock*

[Anonymous No.10678692]

To any western indie designer reading here, make some blouses for gothic PLEASE

[Anonymous No.10678705]

>>10677389
it's not illegal for anyone to ask you to do them a favor. the way this kind of thing usually happens is your employer "encourages" (guilts or pressures) people into doing certain things off the clock, and as people start doing these things, others worry that their job security will be at risk if they don't do it too.

>>10677440
honestly that pic makes me think those OTKs are pretty nice quality since the color is staying opaque despite stretching so far

[Anonymous No.10678710]

>>10678688
4 o'clock rebranded to Linda Friesen and does mostly wedding dresses and ball gowns now, although you could probably commission her to do something lolita

[Anonymous No.10678719]

>>10677440
This pic reminds me, but does anyone else find Enchanted Dreamwear's socks to be strangely tight? I fit into socks from BTSSB, IW and Meta just fine among others so I was surprised to find they felt so tight. Or maybe it was just the style(s) I bought?

I was surprised because so many of their reviews mentioned them being rather stretchy.

[Anonymous No.10679066]

>>10677584
Kaneko got into a twt fight with some one who asked for inclusive sizing, and she was like I already do and you guys don't buy it, and have no intention of doing so because you didn't even look at the sizing. Fat lolita Twitter blew this up as kaneko being fatphobic or some baloney

[Anonymous No.10679183]

>>10678513
This made me remember In the Starlight and Candy Violet. I think the western indie market right now is almost entirely obese girls who don't fit into AP so they flock to western indie, which is why it's all AP wannabe style.
Even if the construction isn't the best I'd love to see more western indie brands cover versatile basics like back then, so much of what they release are gimmick items or partmh of a set.

[Anonymous No.10679263]

>>10677440
it's pretty hilarious your reselling business relies heavily on fat people yet you're laughing about how these socks stretch out. surprised you haven't been canceled for being fatphobic yet

[Anonymous No.10679269]

>>10679263
kek i hope onegaishi gets cancelled for fatphobia

the only reason shes been able to sell online is cause she jumped ship from lm scalping and moved to her own site for flipping brand

[Anonymous No.10679532]

>>10679066
And lard asses wonder why brands don't make more sizes: They won't buy them. Look at brands that sell plus sizes and how long it sits around. Kaneko isn't in the wrong.

The one good thing to come out of that fake Twitter outrage was that morbidly obese girl privated her account. Not seeing her in my timeline or recommend tweets is a blessing.

[Anonymous No.10679575]

>>10679532
From the Mathilde v2 dress
>Size 3. Bust – 112-127 cm.
Arm hole circumference – up to 56 cm.
Wrist – 25 cm.
Neckline circumference – up to 52 cm.
Skirt length - 68 cm
We do not give the waist measurement, because this is a loose cut dress and therefore waistline is wider than bust.

How much bigger do they expect them to be? Even size 2 would fit my boobs if not be loose. I think she's right, they really don't look at the sizing. She's probably one of the MOST size inclusive brands in this case...

[Anonymous No.10679578]

>>10679575
At the point that the bust width is wider than the dress is long I honestly don’t know what more one could ask for. I guess they just don’t realize the regrading a pattern is actually a lot of work and a big investment, especially for an indie brand.

[Anonymous No.10679580]

>>10679575
And even on her newest skirt:
>Size 4. Waist - 135-160 cm.
Skirt length - 80 cm.
Like, dude...

[Anonymous No.10679585]

>>10679578
And you can always get something that big tailoring to your exact measurements if its not comfortable. I will never understand people who drop so much on a brand dress that makes them feel like crap because of the fit and not DO SOMETHING about it. The clothes should fit you, not the other way around.

[Anonymous No.10679590]

>>10679580
This is why catering to large sizes is always a losing battle. No matter how large you make it there’s always a cut off point and there’s always someone unhappy that it doesn’t fit them. I guess indie brands have to do this to compete with smaller brand sizing but I can’t imagine it’s profitable to keep adding sizes. More material and more development.

[Anonymous No.10679590,1]

As a big ass lolita, my problem with Kaneko is always the bodice length. I enjoy classic OPs but I eyeball those pieces and already know each dress will land the waist right at my nips. JSK straps are easy to adjust but I really wish I could wear that Book of Flowers OP.
If the designers were smart they'd try some elasticated necklines on a few designs.

Fitting samples on an actual fatty-chan body might help. I'm assuming they haven't done this at all.

[Anonymous No.10682957]

>>10677440
I know this is a dead thread but this is pretty sus. Why is the only screenshot that’s uncropped in dark mode but the others are in light mode? I hate scalpers as much as the next gull, but the only shot that shows the pfp is taken from a different device, and since the others are cropped, it seems intentional. Maybe it’s a tin foil vendetta hat, but that’s pretty weird.

[Anonymous No.10682966]

>>10682957
idk but it's probably just that onegaishi only posted that image and someone else posted the others. either way they still got caught shitting on another brand in that single image even if not shilling themselves.

[Anonymous No.10682972]

>>10682957
Kek you’re right anon. It’s funny how all these indie brands play up the kawaii personalities when under the surface they’re all pretty cut throat.

>>10682966
Look at the time stamps and read the post it was obvs the same person who posted all three.

[Anonymous No.10682977]

>>10682957
That would explain why she never made any statements about it. I guess if it’s a vendetta they just be retarded because this thread is pretty slow on the whole.

[Anonymous No.10683338]

>>10682957
Even if they posted the single screenshot, it's impossible for another user to have onegaishis pfp. They still talked poorly about DP. I'm led to believe the other posts were theirs too because they said the dump was over in the last one.

[Anonymous No.10683445]

>>10682977
>why she never made any statements about it
why should she? why draw attention to it and risk damaging her business if only like five people saw this happen in this slow ass thread? lor set a nasty precedent i s2g, "making statements" only stokes fires 95% of the time. onegaishi is a careless idiot but she made a good choice by letting this fizzle out before it even started by not acknowledging it

[Anonymous No.10683448]

>>10683445
i think you're missing the point, if she was dumb enough to actually selfpost, she would have sperged out over all this. the only reason she didn't acknowledge it is probably because she's not here kek.

[Anonymous No.10683449]

>>10679580
I hope Kaneko charges more for these sizes. Imagine wasting fabric on hamplanets who don't even buy that shit. Not to mention they still look terrible in it.

[Anonymous No.10683457]

>>10679575
>>10679580
I'm an eurofag, but can please someone from Burgerland explain to me why these people don't just lose weight? Don't get me wrong, I used to be fat, but nowhere near this size. 160cm waist? Don't they get back problems from having these enormous fupas?

[Anonymous No.10683467]

>>10683457
Short easy answer is they're lazy.

Longer answer is its complex and American society prioritizes profit of big companies and a false sense of "freedom" over health and well being of people so things like lack of healthcare, lack of public outdoor spaces in some areas (for exercise when you can't afford the gym) food deserts in which people have trouble finding fresh healthy foods, or even just things that aren't gas station or convenience store garbage items, an abundance of cheap and easily available trash food that tastes good and comes hot and ready so people who have little time or energy to cool because or work, kids, etc. are more likely to buy it. There are a ton of factors on a lot of levels. The fact that weight loss has been promoted in unhealthy ways for years doesn't help either. Rather than seeing health and fitness as a tool for self love and improving your longevity and boosting serotonin, etc. magazines tell already healthy women they're fat and need to be thinner to be pretty and focus on looks and the standard of what is pretty and not what's good for you. Our culture is fucked in a lot of ways. Also losing weight takes time. Years if you're as big as those larger pieces. They may want to still enjoy lolita in the meantime and definitely need like normie clothes for occasions like job interviews, workout clothes, dinner with friends,etc. Even if you're losing weight you can still enjoy other parts of your life and you need clothes that are suited for what you want to do.

[Anonymous No.10683469]

>>10683467
Oh yeah also once you're that big you definitely have some sort of eating disorder or food addiction. Mental illness at minimum. I say it from personal experience. It's hard to overcome that. But people see it as a self discipline issue and don't pity or want to get help for morbidly obese food addicted people the same way they do other EDs so they have to break out of their addiction on their own much of the time, but still need food to survive, so it's tricky for them.

[Anonymous No.10683603]

>>10683338
>it's impossible for another user to have onegaishis pfp
It literally is not anon. Are you actually retarded?

>>10683449
I really want to know if she actually sells any of these mega sizes. In my comm the hamplanets refuse to spend more than like $50 then complain non stop about how they have no options and how much they’d pay for brand that fit them. But I’ve never actually seen a single fat person pay indie pricing for something that fits. Hell half the time they sperge about when f+f charged them an extra $20 to customize since they needed like a whole bolt of fabric. Fatties love to complain, but never want to pay up when there actually are options.

[Anonymous No.10683604]

>>10683457
The thing is in burgerland fatties have a victim complex and it’s a new hot button sjw issue to coddle and pretend that you can be healthy at any size. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think fat people are bad people, but there’s a movement convincing people that obesity isn’t actually a health problem in and of itself and that doctors are lying to you because it makes their job easier to say that your diabetes, blood pressure, etc is just your weight. It’s literally killing people.

[Anonymous No.10683611]

How do fatties even get into lolita? All of them seem to be into sweet lolita, which is very unflattering on their body types. I wonder is there is something shady going on. It's really weird how they all decide to gang up on certain brands; like Angelic Pretty.

[Anonymous No.10683613]

>>10683611
Go get your tin foil hat anon, it’s just because AP is the most status brand in the US and they don’t make waists wider than my height.

[Anonymous No.10683652]

>>10683604
that HAES stuff was mostly a phase i think. but even then they have always been a minority. now it's more about 'who cares if my weight is unhealthy, you don't actually care about my health, we're strangers and you just dislike my body and want a reason to trash it cause you don't do the same to any skinny people who could be unhealthy like smokers, anorexics, etc." which tbf, there is a point there. i don't care if someone is fat. i want them to be thin for their health and all but they know they're fat and who am i to tell them to stop if they don't care. i just hope they eventually love themselves enough to do better but why piss them off reminding them of their weight when they clearly know?

[Anonymous No.10683665]

>>10683652
Oh HAES is def a big thing here in the UK. It all started with that model. To be fair there are some fat Rugby girls who are probably in the top 10 percentile of athletic fitness. But they're the exception not the rule. And every lardo on their couch eating twinkies all day thinks their at the same level if they take a walk around the block once a day.

[Anonymous No.10684569]

>>10677432
russians list dates backwards, so this was from September.
Yet another wannabe AP indie with "size inclusive" options. Hope they don't end up trying to cater to hamplanets. We need some well constructed sweet stuff at least

[Anonymous No.10684572]

>>10683611
>I wonder is there is something shady going on
take off your tinfoil hat, sweet is just the flashiest and sweet brands tend to have the biggest sizing

[Anonymous No.10684612]

>>10679580
mfw people with a 160cm waist exist

[Anonymous No.10684641]

>>10683611
Contrary to popular opinion I actually think Lolita is one of the most plus size friendly and accessible fashions out there. You think Chanel has anything even close 100cm waist? Let alone 160. Even among alt fashion I’d say Lolita is pretty damn good by comparison and the silhouette hides weight really well as long as you’re not actually enormous. Even for enormous people, the bell shape gives the illusion of having a waist.

I’m not huge, but I’m certainly not thin and Lolita has been pretty easy for me compared to even normie fashion. I just think fat people have a built in trigger around something not fitting that they’ll fly off the handle even when there are tons of plus size options out there.

[Anonymous No.10684673]

>>10683467
as a "debu-chan" 100% this

despite the fact that i am either actively losing or at the very least trying to lose weight at all times, disordered eating is constantly kicking my ass.

i can't just ignore it when i'm actively starving. your brain literally will not let you, especially if you're traumatized by food insecurity or have leptin resistance from overeating.

worst part? even healthy foods can be high calorie so even though I'm eating something like grilled chicken with a salad or vegetables, I can still eat too much of it because I'm not full from a "normal" serving. it takes a LONG time to adjust your body to regular eating.

i still want to wear lolita without having to compromise on a "someday" weight so i appreciate it when brands, indie or not, make clothing that I can fit into.

(disclaimer: i am not "mega" sized so i can't speak for people of that size, but I am still in the plus size range)

[Anonymous No.10684817]

>>10684673
You should check out foods that are filling. From experience, bell peppers. Curbs hunger almost instantly.

[Anonymous No.10684819]

>>10683467
Some people are just poor. Time poor and money poor. It doesn't shock me that lolitas are so out of touch that in 2021 the fat people are literally just lazy meme continues.

[Anonymous No.10684822]

>>10684819
Even at my busiest and poorest I never got fat. Rice, ground meats, beans, veggie stir frys, and legumes are all dirt cheap, healthy, and extremely easy to make even for someone like me who doesn’t know how to cook. Healthy breakfast shakes were too. Bananas and apples are cheap and healthy and require no preparation, but fatties always snack on chips. Yogurt and string cheeses are cheap and healthy with no preparation, but fatties snack on ice cream. Drinking soda with your meals is not cheaper than water. And major cities aren’t food deserts so that doesn’t apply to any of the fatties where I live.

The real issue is sugar addiction and lack of willpower. Every fat person I’ve known growing up was a habitual snacker who took far more time and money preparing and consuming food than I did, so poverty was definitely not an excuse. Carrying around snacks is not normal unless you’re doing physical labor or exercising, both of which those fatties were not doing. Eating a fuckton of sugar just became their normal, and they could not control or satiate their hunger.

Also most lolitas are fat these days so idk why you think they’re out of touch thin women. Every meet is full of whining about weight with little action.

[Anonymous No.10684826]

>>10679580
Damn the largest waist I ever had was 100cm, and that was when I was 40 weeks pregnant

[Anonymous No.10684833]

>>10684819

I agree. Making good choices sounds obvious and easy but those people often do need their hand held by a professional if they’re serious about changing their lifestyle.

Like other anon I grew up poor but the priority was making sure we had food that would last the month, and healthy choices were secondary. I did not learn how to make healthy choices until university and that is very very late imo. If that’s how you grew up and your family eats that way it seems normal even though it isn’t. Better access to help if they have a food addiction/deal with emotional eating or grew up worrying about food scarcity can make a difference especially if they’re learning proper nutrition and portion sizes too. Shaming people and yo-yo dieting never ends well.

That being said it feels like a good investment to take better care of your health to feel your best while wearing lolita if losing weight is a concern. I would not enjoy hearing about someone wanting to lose weight and see them make choices that go against it at meets, but it’s easy enough to ignore or change the subject.

[Anonymous No.10684842]

>>10684822
>Carrying around snacks is not normal unless you’re doing physical labor or exercising,

Uhh idk about you but I don't do physical labor or exercise often, but I can only eat small portions and get full quick but hungry again super fast so in uni or when I worked in an office I had to bring carrots or fruit or nuts and stuff to snack on. Not fat and snacking is not inherently fat people behavior kek. You sound like someone super ignorant if you believe SNACKS of all things are what make people fat.

Obesity is a disease and an eating disorder desu just as much as the others. Snacks are not what causes people to be fat. Mental illness and to some degree ignorance or lack of proper food education is.

[Anonymous No.10684859]

>>10684822
A lot of people who are fat grew up that way. If you’ve grown up eating a certain way your entire life it’s VERY hard to change it.

Also part of it is stress I would say, rather than not having access to healthy food. If you’re stressed out your body says “why not have those chips? You deserve it for working so hard” so your body seeks food that feels good.

Not justifying being obese, just saying that will power is psychologically more difficult than you might think.

[Anonymous No.10684864]

>>10684819
Imo unless it's genetics or you have some medical condition that causes constant weight-gain (either of those is rarely ever the case, let's be real here) there's not really an excuse for being fat, be it because someone's lazy, poor or doesn't have the time. Diet alone can fix A LOT, like you don't even have to starve yourself for it to work. I'm a eurofag so I might be biased when it comes to the accessability of healthy foods but it's very affordable here. You can choose whether you buy vegetables and a bag of rice or a big pack of microwave ravioli, I rarely see downright obese people around here, even in areas with many poor/low-income residents. Of course cooking takes effort and time, but that takes us back to the laziness aspect.

Otherwise, add walking to your daily routine, walk instead of driving short distances. Even doing small things to improve your overall lifestyle, such as fixing your sleep schedule or seeing a therapist, can do wonders. I 100% agree with >>10684833 about help/therapy accessability and seeing a professional if you can't do any of these things alone at all, too. Most obese people do have eating disorders after all, unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.10684869]

>>10684842
You’re completely missing the point. No one said snacking alone was the one reason obese people are obese, or that skinny people can’t snack.

[Anonymous No.10684962]

>>10684822
Your personal and anecdotal experiences are not universal truths though. You sound like you have had a very sheltered, limited life experience if you think anyone overweight is just a mindless sugar junkie.
Most lolitas in my comm are not fat so...idk what to tell you? Plenty of sanctimonious lolitas online like yourself who think you are morally superior based entirely on your current body weight and metabolism exist though.

[Anonymous No.10684967]

>>10684869
I think you're missing the point actually

[Anonymous No.10684975]

>>10684962
congrats on living somewhere where your comm is human-sized. mine is full of lardbeasts because i live in burgerland. the difference in what they eat vs. what a healthy person eats is actually startling. these fatties are drowning in AP and Baby, and almost always spend more on food than i do whenever we go on an outing, so this is why "muh poverty" is a laughable excuse to me. besides, all those foods mentioned are cheap as fuck. hell, they're often far cheaper than junk food.

sugar addiction is a real thing, and it's why they constantly crave it. stop making excuses and cut out the processed sugar.
https://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM


>>10684967
no, your logic just makes no sense. it's like saying "well I eat high calorie food and I'm skinny so eating high calorie food isn't an issue!" obviously fat people do it uncontrollably and much more frequently than you do. that's why they're fucking fat. none of them need to be snacking on chips throughout the day because they're already fucking fat. this is common sense. try watching secret eaters sometime.

[Anonymous No.10684976]

>>10684859
>will power is psychologically more difficult than you might think.

People forget about this part. Many obese people have literal food addiction. Addiction is more than willpower. Your body physically gets upset when you stop taking your drug and with food addiction your substance of choice is partially a necessity and you can't can't quit cold turkey.

[Anonymous No.10684980]

>>10684975
Actually fat people may need to snack more when getting used to eating less food overall because drastically cutting your calories rather than slowly can cause physical problems headaches and other issues. Snacks can help satisfy your appetite temporarily and prevent binges.

>none of them need to be snacking on chips throughout the day because they're already fucking fat

Having fat on your body doesn't mean it's healthy or helpful to skip meals or take in too much less food. That's like saying because you're fat you can go fine starving yourself which us obviously untrue. You didn't say chips specifically you just said snacks and I even provided examples of snacks that aren't unhealthy food. Chips aren't great for you skinny or fat. But snacks and frequency of eating or even time spent preparing food does not neccesarily mean anything about weight. I spend more time preparing my food than fat people and many thin friends of mine do because I cook at home and pack my own lunches, meal prep, etc

[Anonymous No.10684983]

>>10684980
>fat people may need to snack more
kek no. this is just pure, unadulterated fatlogic. no doctor will tell a fattie to do this.

>Having fat on your body doesn't mean it's healthy or helpful to skip meals or take in too much less food. That's like saying because you're fat you can go fine starving yourself
anon, eating a normal diet isn't "starving" lmao jesus christ. stop making piss poor excuses

[Anonymous No.10685004]

>>10684983
No one said a normal diet is starving. But studies show human bodies are resistant to changes in weight and will produce cravings, headaches, and intense hunger that is overall detrimental to your comfort and that makes it harder to stick to a diet can set it when you don't feed yourself enough even if less. Weight loss and gain should be done slowly and healthily to be sustainable.

It's better to slowly reduce calories by a certain number based on your weight and goals than an obese person or go from 3k to 1200 or whatever immediately and almost guarantee failure for a fat person who's never eaten anything but trash their whole lives and probably don't even know what a nutritionist is. They need to get used to adjusting for less volume of food in their stomachs or learn to cook higher volume with lower calories to stay satisfied and stuff. None of that stuff can happen overnight and pretending like it can so you can hate on fat people to feign moral superiority is silly. It makes it obvious you don't care about their health and just want to shit on them.

You can eat frequently and still eat low calories. I'm 110lbs and I snack on apples, carrots, etc. It's ana or wannabe ana logic to treat eating apple slices in between healthy meals so keep yourself from being too hungry and overeating as the same as a bag of doritos every hour or something kek. You keep intentionally missing the point and making a weird argument that weight loss is easy and they should immediately stop being fat in the exact way you want them to. Every person is different and their lifestyle or method of getting healthier will inevitably vary. Losing and maintaining and gaining weight are also very different depending on where you start. If you care about people's health and want them to actually lose weight it starts with understanding the problem both on a bigger scale and for that individual person.

[Anonymous No.10685015]

>>10685004
yeah, because whales are totally "snacking on apple slices" like you are. and oh no, being hungry gives them a headache! life is so hard!! if they don't constantly feel satiated how will they get through the day??

kek please, i've been on far stricter and more difficult diets for medical reasons and stuck by them long-term. so, sorry, i have very little sympathy for the whining i hear at meets about these gluttons not fitting into their several hundred dollar dresses while they stuff macarons into their faces.

[Anonymous No.10685017]

>>10685015
Everyone else in the world doesn't have to suffer while bettering themselves or getting healthier just because you did.

[Anonymous No.10685023]

>>10685017
bettering yourself requires challenging yourself. allowing them to indulge til they don't feel hungry is what got them into this mess

[Anonymous No.10685024]

>>10685015
I bet this is a 200lb scrote that frequents /fit/'s fph page and is super proud of himself of coming down from 300.
Actually fit and healthy people understand the effort that comes with maintaining a healthy weight especially while on a budget.

The alternative is that this is an ana-chan, they tend to be weirdly obsessed with other people's weight.

Everything I read here from this anon so far is a scrotey, uneducated and mentally unsound. I bet if we could ip-trace them, it would lead back to /fit/'s confession thread

[Anonymous No.10685028]

>>10685024
Kek im neither, but your hoping that I am is truly an amazing cope to witness

[Anonymous No.10685029]

>>10685023
If people can lose weight more effectively without as much discomfort the only reason you would hate for that to happen is a desire to punish fat people, not a desire to see them get thin. Get over yourself you sadistic creep.

[Anonymous No.10685035]

>>10685029
If just being hungry without starving is truly horrific sadistic pain to you, then it’s no surprise you’re fat

[Anonymous No.10685038]

>>10685035
I'm not fat myself but I don't see why anyone needs to experience unnecessary discomfort in life when they can accomplish the same things without it.

[Anonymous No.10685040]

>>10685028
/fit/izens dont act indecent like you unless grossly fat and/or insecure. Most healthy bodied people have healthy minds, I hope you get the treatment you need to socially adjust one day

[Anonymous No.10685042]

>>10685040
This. I hope anon gets whatever help they need so they can change their mindset.

[Anonymous No.10685046]

>>10685040
having willpower doesn't require treatment, nonny. cope.

>>10685042
if i changed my mindset, i'd probably be fat like you. no thanks, i like to actively better myself even in the face of mild discomfort

[Anonymous No.10685051]

>>10685046
Pretending self betterment has to be uncomfortable when you claimed not being fat is actually easy and just self discipline is a weird inconsistency.

Like I said I'm not fat. I've known enough fat people who did and didn't lose the weight to be able to tell what seems to work best for them and what ends up up them yoyoing or staying huge. And I've maintained my weight which is healthy for my height (I'm 110lbs but short so not super skinny or super big) eating healthy snacks multiple times a day and not ever having to feel hungry unless I just forget to eat from distractions.

The point of being less fat would be for your own health and happiness anyway like wearing cute clothes and living longer and enjoying life more in whatever ways they feel they don't currently. May as well do their best to make the process easy so people will actually stick with and maintain it. I'd prefer it if fat people were thin too cause it's better for everyone, so I'd much rather them do it the right way and stay thin and not feel stressed or whatever for no reason besides the fact than a rando anon says anything good in life has to hurt to obtain.

I want fat lolitas to have healthy inspiration and goals for weight loss and the community to be full of mentally and physically healthily people. I'd much rather go to a meet with a few bigger girls who know they are unhealthy and are working on themselves to do better and wear plus sized options in the meantime than a meet full of people who are thin but so insecure and mentally ill, angry or whatever else that they waste time being vitriolic to fat people the whole time or something. I see more ana chans whining about fat people who supposedly act annoying irl on cgl than I ever experience actual fat lolitas irl being as whiny about sizing or anything. It's like people have never left the internet once in their lives or something.

[Anonymous No.10685083]

>>10685051
>Pretending self betterment has to be uncomfortable when you claimed not being fat is actually easy and just self discipline is a weird inconsistency.
Being mildly uncomfortable is not very hard. There is nothing inconsistent at all with that.

>I see more ana chans whining about fat people who supposedly act annoying irl on cgl than I ever experience actual fat lolitas irl being as whiny about sizing or anything.
No exaggeration, it has happened at every single meet I have been to these past several months. I'm actually envious that you don't have to hear about it.

[Anonymous No.10685241]

>>10677806
wow.. okey, I send them a message if they are taking employs but what?.. unoffically, jesus fuk. looking for a job in this feild is frustraying. you want good quality but don't want to pay for set quality?...

I am near where they live so the job actually would have been a blessing.

Also they are planning to move out of russia soonish so I hope they are ready to pay union pay rates.

[Anonymous No.10685262]

>>10677364
>On the other hand local business owners are notorious for taking advantage of workers.
Why are you assuming the worst based on a few stories in normie retail

[Anonymous No.10688187]

Holy cow Neant Glass sold out quick. I slept in and woke up about 20 minutes past 3PM EST and literally everything was sold out.