Lolita General: Thank You Wunderwelt, Very Cool! Edition

[Anonymous No.10679610]

Previous Thread:
>>10643591

>all those old wunderwelt listings gone, including all pictures
I knew I should have scapped the website for items that haven't been archived on Lolibrary yet. What a damn waste.

[Anonymous No.10679637]

>>10679610
UGH was thinking the same thing. My heart sank when I checked my liked listings since I had a few things there I was meaning to buy and the whole thing was empty.

90% of those listings where there for my references.

[Anonymous No.10679649]

awww yeahhh aatp back with some vampire shit just in time for halloween

[Anonymous No.10679650]

>>10679610
I wonder if this is why the new site is so much faster though? I'm super sad everything is gone but hey..at least it doesn't take 10 days just to load a page.

[Anonymous No.10679653]

>>10679649

[Anonymous No.10679655]

>>10679653

[Anonymous No.10679658]

>>10679655

[Anonymous No.10679663]

>>10679649
Those shoes tho

[Anonymous No.10679679]

>>10679650
I think that deed would've already been done if they just ditched the bazillion trillion banners and pop ups of the old website and called it a day.
But maybe hosting budget played a role with the decision to nuke all that data.

[Anonymous No.10679680]

>>10679649
I hate the print, but the bustier portion looks cute.

[Anonymous No.10679685]

>>10679650
I have a feeling that wunderwelt will just end up running into the same problem again if that's the case because they seem to be keeping up listings of items that are sold out right now, it can't be determined until a couple of months have passed.

[Anonymous No.10679689]

>>10679685
I just wish they didnt change the website at all. It looks so shit now. It's lost all its personality, they keep sold out stuff on the new arrival page, we lost all the old shit-- that was so helpful for finding measurements... we got a quicker site and for what, this? No thanks. The old site wasn't slow enough for me to really notice.

[Anonymous No.10679690]

>>10679685
If they did what I think they did, it won't be the same problem and you don't have to worry. they were running on old, slow, and shitty written code before, it wasn't really a matter of too many pictures and old listings. It was bad code that slowed down the site by doing unecessary stuff.
and I'm 90% sure they just rewrote the entire website with updated code. Even opening the menu is much faster than before.
If their dev isn't totally retarded they will also increase server size if it's needed. i think it'll be fine anons

[Anonymous No.10679732]

>>10679689
The site was painfully slow and unusable. I never bought from WW for that reason.

[Anonymous No.10679733]

>>10679653
Not a huge fan of the print but the bodice and that blouse are so gorgeous

[Anonymous No.10679750]

>>10679610
The only thing I like about new WW is that now I can see prices in my currency

[Anonymous No.10679770]

Just a heads up for anyone with more than one address saved on WW, they deleted my tenso address and fucked up my billing address.
Also the new checkout system is annoying imo, especially with the stupid messenger popup.

[Anonymous No.10679774]

>>10679770
Eh it's really not that bad. They just changed the checkout system to what a lot of other shipping sites have been doing.

[Anonymous No.10679780]

>>10679610
I honestly have never noticed the old website was slow. I don't like the new one tho. Had to spend an entire day browsing through the site to rebuild my wishlist

[Anonymous No.10679829]

does anyone know what's happened to Tyler? she's not posted for ages on IG or YouTube...

[Anonymous No.10679834]

>>10679780
Yeah I have been doing the same

[Anonymous No.10679835]

>>10679649
this cringeprint almost doesn't look cringe, almost

[Anonymous No.10679837]

thank god they put pagination back at least. when i first visited the new site a couple days ago the only option was endless scroll which was awful

[Anonymous No.10679839]

When's the new time for WW update? Used to be like 9AM&PM Japan time. I don't know if it's just me but I only saw new items come in once since the website changed.

[Anonymous No.10679847]

>>10679829
no1curr

[Anonymous No.10679874]

Is it just me or is CoF predominately way more ita in the last week? What the fuck is going on.

[Anonymous No.10679934]

>>10679829
She probably got sick and tired of trying to create any content for this toxic ass community kek.

[Anonymous No.10679935]

>>10679934
she's pretty fucking toxic herself. she's probably just butthurt that despite lor's horse face she didn't have to be a memelord to get famous

[Anonymous No.10679936]

>>10679934
She’s just as toxic as anyone else in this community

[Anonymous No.10679942]

>>10679934
more like sick and tired of dealing with the consequences of her own actions

[Anonymous No.10679945]

>>10679829
From day one her content had an expiration date on it. Our community is small and it was only a matter of time before she covered a story that involved someone you knew. Her information often came from anonymous sources and never from the people involved so she said things that weren't entirely accurate.

But she also took a small break a couple of years ago so that could explain why she hasn't been posting

[Anonymous No.10679947]

>>10679874
Cof is getting more ita as we speak, it has been going downhill for at least 3 years now

[Anonymous No.10679972]

>>10679945
when she took a break wasn't that cause she was getting sued and stressed tf out? i think it's fair of her to take a break if the backlash from all the stuff earlier this year is finally catching up to her. it is hard being kind of publicly ostracized by people even those who were casual friends in her own comm, and tyler probably lost a genuine friend in lor as a result of her caring more about views and clapping back than lor's wishes (even though lor did nothing wrong to begin with).

agreed that her anti lolitas must be lovelies persona is pretty toxic and encourages those who are new especially to be dumb catty bitches because they don't realize it's all pretense. i don't really miss her content or her and honestly think she was doomed to pitter out to begin with as well.

[Anonymous No.10679977]

>>10679874
Something is definitely going on, did everyone leave FB for Insta or discord? I used to always get 200+ likes and now I’m doing even better coords and getting barely 100. Finally built my accessories and shoes and socks collection to a nice point, I used to only have a few things to coord with

[Anonymous No.10679983]

>>10679610
I require sauce

[Anonymous No.10679986]

>>10679983
Kill your self

[Anonymous No.10679988]

>>10679986
On it nigger

[Anonymous No.10679993]

>>10679945
>From day one her content had an expiration date on it
Yeah, I think if she had stuck to more generalized coverage of lolita new/explanations of stale drama it wouldn't have been that big of a deal, but she really sensationalized stuff, and drifted over into useless/toxic content that lolitas just weren't really here for.

Tbh the only reason why Lor is as successful as she is is persistence and crossing over into appealing to a more mainstream audience. Tyler was way too niche to have any insulation from the fallout.

[Anonymous No.10679994]

>>10679993
I actually think Lor regrets pigeon holing into lolita. For the time she entered youtube, if she had focused on even just slightly more mainstream content I genuinely think she could have been an actual career youtuber.

[Anonymous No.10680001]

>>10679829
Kinda weird since she still has a ton of Patreon supporters and is this inactive? I mean I'll watch her content regardless, but I still have her ?review? of Lolita saved up because I wanna finish reading the book to see if her video has any fair criticism that is based of her own interpretation of the source material. Can any anon spoil me if I'm hyping myself up for the video too much or not? kek

[Anonymous No.10680006]

>>10680001
She is stupid so you probably should find some actualy lit on the book instead. Its a fun watch to see how bad she gets lit as a subject tho.

[Anonymous No.10680014]

>>10679993
She also targeted mods a lot. Mods are volunteer types and many are involved in event planning. Nothing like inviting someone to your event that called you a fucking idiot on their platform.

[Anonymous No.10680015]

>>10679994
>I actually think Lor regrets pigeon holing into lolita.

definitely. she seems to enjoy her content that focuses more on just doing fun challenges, showing off her tamagotchis, etc. and she has an enjoyable personality and actual film skills and background. honestly if she didn't constantly sound like a 5 year old who just drank some juice huffing and puffing whenever she tries to express an opinion she'd be a decent general youtuber or influencer with some interest in japan/kawaii things and games. just probably the least attractive one of the bunch.

[Anonymous No.10680018]

>>10679874
Well, you can't even give concrit there these days

[Anonymous No.10680026]

>>10679934
>..she whined while posting on /cgl/.

[Anonymous No.10680042]

>>10680026
cgl isn't inherently toxic anon. There are actually loads of very useful and fairly tame threads on here. Most of the problems honestly strike me as rando trolls.

[Anonymous No.10680043]

>>10680015
She'd make a heck of a lot more money too if she had times the transition correctly. These days she makes actual poverty wages on youtube, which is why she shills devil inspired and does so many sponsored posts.

[Anonymous No.10680044]

>>10680042
>cgl isn't inherently toxic anon.

Yes it is. I wish newfags would stop pretending otherwise.

[Anonymous No.10680045]

>>10680044
>cosplay help thread
>lolita DIY thread
>coords we like thread
>AP updates thread
>draw thread
>Artist alley thread
It really isn't anon.

[Anonymous No.10680046]

>>10680045
Newfag.

[Anonymous No.10680047]

>>10680044
kek. it's newfags who always assume that to be the case. /cgl/ has plenty of boards and content that are actually pretty wholesome. It's not a pure space on the internet by any stretch of the imagination, but it's not some kind of cesspool like /pol/ or something.

[Anonymous No.10680048]

>>10680047
>no u

Predictable and unoriginal.

[Anonymous No.10680050]

>>10680047
>/cgl/ has plenty of boards and content that are actually pretty wholesome.
>/cgl/ has plenty of boards
>boards

We know you’re new. Just stop.

[Anonymous No.10680052]

>>10680047
Newfag but not wrong. If you think /cgl is super problematic/toxic you clearly haven’t been around the block here.

[Anonymous No.10680056]

cgl is actually a pretty great resource for following brand updates and getting sauce on second hand sales. It's sandwiched between the ana-chan and fatty comment wars but it's still pretty damn useful. I also find the info about convention scenes to be pretty useful if I'm deciding to go or not.

[Anonymous No.10680057]

>>10680052
>If you think /cgl is super problematic/toxic you clearly haven’t been around the block here.

You’re a self admitted newfag. And clearly you have no idea what you’re talking about. I’m so fucking sick of covidlitas shitting up this board with their newfag takes acting like they know jack shit

[Anonymous No.10680059]

>>10680056
>getting sauce on second hand sales
This. Especially since lm frequently removes negative feedback and people are afraid to leave it anonymously. I remember awhile back someone posted the contents of “positive” lm reviews which contained complaints about poop stains and body odor but still left positive feedback.

[Anonymous No.10680061]

>>10680057
NTA but go cry toxic tears then. Idk why you’re so set on this being such a big bad toxic place. Sorry you got posted I guess?

This is definitely more the internets arm out than ass crack.

[Anonymous No.10680062]

>>10680061
*armpit

[Anonymous No.10680065]

>>10680061
>trying to defend 4chan being a good place

Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.10680068]

>>10680065
kek imagine being this bothered by someone telling you you're not commenting on the biggest baddest place on the internet.

Like I said, it's an armpit. It stinks from time to time but is generally tolerable unless you're like an sjw sperge or something. If you really think this place is soooo bad you really must not know a whole lot about the real dark places on the internet.

[Anonymous No.10680069]

>>10680068
>kek imagine being this bothered by someone telling you you're not commenting on the biggest baddest place on the internet.


>being this new
>being so obsessed with armpits and buttholes and stinks

Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.10680071]

>>10680068
4chan has literally had murderers post pictures of their victims corpses. Notorious for CP too. There’s tons of other shit I could list. You are delusional.

[Anonymous No.10680072]

>>10680057
ntayrt but cgl is really NOT that bad. especially nowadays. I guess people on fb just want to cry about everything.

[Anonymous No.10680073]

>>10680071
I think you might replied wrong anon. That was my point. Cgl is a cakewalk compared to other crevices on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.10680074]

>>10680071
Nyart but this is /cgl/, not all of 4chan

[Anonymous No.10680076]

>>10680072
The past 5 years it’s been infested with retards saying “4chan isn’t that bad!” And then crying about 4ch culture

>>10680073
You’re still on 4chan no matter how badly you want to pretend it’s ok because you only use whatever board

[Anonymous No.10680077]

>>10680065
If you think cgl is sooo bad then why post here at all? No one's forcing you. Go back to twitter or Rufflechat if you're so *bothered* by all the *toxicity* on here.

[Anonymous No.10680079]

>>10680076
>You’re still on 4chan no matter how badly you want to pretend it’s ok because you only use whatever board

So are you? My point isn't that any particular board is good, it's that cgl is incredibly tame and actually useful in many contexts, as opposed to other spaces here that are quite literally dedicated solely to making fun of murder victims.

[Anonymous No.10680080]

>>10680079
>So are you

Yeah but I’m not the one pretending it’s a good or “wholesome” place to be.

[Anonymous No.10680083]

>>10680077
Way to miss my entire point.

[Anonymous No.10680128]

>>10680065
It at least was an entertaining place before you twitter/socialmediacancer pests infested it.

[Anonymous No.10680129]

>>10680042
This board used to be exactly what the usual hugboxes literally shit their pants over 24/7. We had dozens of drama threads before the great rule change, and there used to be an almost collective hate for hamplanets, itas and special snowflakes who ironically ended up flooding this place.

[Anonymous No.10680131]

>>10680057
It's not covid, shit gradually went down after we established cof threads as actual dump threads and not just itathread 2.0.

[Anonymous No.10680132]

Is Wunderwelt kill? Can't log in.

>>10679649
So tired of these ugly poly CG prints. I long for a return to their early 2010's illustration prints...

[Anonymous No.10680135]

>>10680128
>what is reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.10680136]

>>10680132
Did you do the password reset? (It had to be from the email they sent first, not a manual request.)

[Anonymous No.10680140]

>>10680136
Yes, and I was logged in and favoriting items just fine all week. I just suddenly can't log in today.

[Anonymous No.10680155]

WW must still be editing their site because different things break every day and it's insanely annoying.
Today the points page doesn't work. The link on the account page just redirects to the front page telling you to make an account, but I'm already logged in. The first day the site was live I was able to see my points perfectly fine. Wtf WW. I hate everything.

[Anonymous No.10680159]

>>10680155
maybe they hired Lolibrary's dev kek

[Anonymous No.10680160]

>>10680132 here, I figured out the issue. If you use autofill to save your username/password, it won't recognize you as having completed the login when you hit the button. You have to reenter it manually. How fucking annoying.

[Anonymous No.10680362]

did WW prices actually went higher?

[Anonymous No.10680397]

If I don't have anything urgent to do about 3-4 hours of my day every day are used up looking for secondhand deals. How do you wean yourself off that? On some level I'm aware I'm wasting my time, I can't be the only person on this board who's struggled with this to such a ridiculous extent

[Anonymous No.10680404]

>>10680362
I noticed that. A lot of the new stuff is even more than normal.

[Anonymous No.10680407]

>>10680362
It was inevitable. They have to pay out higher because sites like mercari and fril make it so much easier to sell and everyone knows you get way more that way.

[Anonymous No.10680410]

holy shit holy shit holy shit I cannot beleive this is happening

[Anonymous No.10680419]

>>10680397
I'm guilty of doing this too. Personally, I try to find other things that interest me be it mobile games, learning about a specific topic, finding a series I enjoy, looking at memes, exercising, etc. then whenever I catch myself browsing unnecessarily I try to redirect my attention to an interest.

Putting away the phone/computer and doing something else can especially help with this too.

[Anonymous No.10680420]

>>10680410
Idk. Is that really a desired print in 2021? When I've seen it second hand it's prices are pretty low nowadays.

[Anonymous No.10680422]

Damn people really be out here on depop selling ‘handmade’ ‘lolita’ corsets when i’m pretty sure they just put 2 bodyline headdresses into a shoulder strap

[Anonymous No.10680430]

Is there any update on the History of Lolita fashion book that Novala Takemoto was going to write? I can't find much about it other than that essay in so pretty/very rotten.

[Anonymous No.10680432]

>>10680422
Jesus god what is this

[Anonymous No.10680444]

>>10680432
Get those tiddies in check with this lolita corset

[Anonymous No.10680446]

I finally readded everything to my wishlist

[Anonymous No.10680484]

>>10680410
Dim light really does not warrant this level of excitement
Last I checked no one really cared all that much for this print

[Anonymous No.10680486]

>>10680484
It's probably from release popularity. It was a very popular print on release, but that was like..fucking 10 years ago.

[Anonymous No.10680520]

>>10680422
Fucking wonky ass top of the heart. This is so ugly and not clever like they probably think it is.

[Anonymous No.10680523]

>>10680422
Looking cute with half your nip on show

[Anonymous No.10680671]

>>10680410
I always did like this print. But I don't think the secondhand prices are that bad? I thought I just saw one the other day on LM

[Anonymous No.10680674]

>>10680422
>2 bodyline headdresses into a shoulder strap

[Anonymous No.10680694]

>>10680362
WW was always high. CC used to be the cheap site… now they’re both pricing things more expensive

[Anonymous No.10680794]

>>10680694
WW has always been more epensive than CC (still less expensive than the pieces I've found on LM), but one weird thing I've noticed is, you know that thing when an item gets a lot of likes, the price goes down. Well, maybe I'm paranoid but when I re-added some of them, I noticed the prices went back to the amount before they went down? Ofc I can't remember all of them plus I have 0 SS to back this up, but there was just that one item I've recently added to my wishlist before the site renewal, I remembered it being about 80$ back then, and when I re-added it, it rose to almost 90$

[Anonymous No.10680796]

>>10680422
jesus that is some bad construction

[Anonymous No.10680825]

>>10680397
By getting a real hobby

[Anonymous No.10681112]

>>10680794
I noticed that they uploaded a dress today with a worse condition ranking for around 150% the price of another of the exact same dress that's been sitting on the site with a better condition for what must be 2 years or more now. And still more than it ever went for.

[Anonymous No.10681132]

Someone posted their fucked up Voodoodolly halo on RC and it sounds like VD just ghosted them. I've considered buying from VD before, but the long preorder time would mean you're on your own if something gets messed up. Seems like a huge loophole to me t b h

[Anonymous No.10681173]

>>10680397
I use productivity extensions that block sites either altogether or after you reached a certain time limit. Look up freedom or stayfocusd for desktop, forest for mobile.
I use them to block youtube and social media while I'm working, but I imagine you can give yourself a limited time allowance for browsing lolita.

[Anonymous No.10681295]

Did WW forget to upload the full front view images of most of the dresses they added today? Every day it's something else with this new site.

>>10681132
Yikes. Did it get bent up in the mail?

[Anonymous No.10681298]

>>10681295
their site just has new problems now!

[Anonymous No.10681315]

>>10681173
Jesus christ. I've also been struggling with this during WFH days. Thanks for the advice for the other anon, I'm probably going to look those up so I stop getting off track during work.

[Anonymous No.10681319]

>>10681295
>bent up in the mail
If the halo was wrapped in that thin cardboard in the photo and shoved into a box, it's no wonder that it got messed up that bad. The gems are glued on so haphazardly too, I'd be really disappointed to receive this in the mail.

[Anonymous No.10681321]

>>10681132
That's why preordering stuff with small brands is so risky, once it's past 180 days you're out of luck. There's nothing you can do if the seller decides to be an ass and send you shoddy goods.
I wonder what buyers can do to protect themselves in this scenario? Maybe ask for a refund and reinvoice before the 180 days are up?

[Anonymous No.10681329]

>>10681321
Realistically, it's incredibly hard to protect yourself. Also on that note: be careful with the taobao preorders. Way back when, we had a lot of the chinese brands scam a lot of us. I wouldn't be surprised if that still is happening and we just don't hear about it as often because the community is so disconnected from a main communication hub.

[Anonymous No.10681340]

>>10680430
Bump for this, I hope his research didn't get sidelined due to covid, though isolation could be good for writing.

[Anonymous No.10681346]

What was the name of that manga about the girl trying to get the hang of wearing lolita in public? I want to see if there are anymore translations.

[Anonymous No.10681356]

>>10681346
Probably Kitai Fuku Ga Aru (There Are Clothes I Want to Wear). Let us know if you find new translations I haven’t looked it up in a long while

[Anonymous No.10681366]

Well I just bought the original sugary carnival release for a little bit more $$$ than the mto went for. I rationalize it because it's a little smaller than the mto and will fit me better.
Really hoping i can snag a matching KC from when the mto arrives and people sell it. i kinda wonder how much it will sell for. i'm thinking $450 maybe

[Anonymous No.10681369]

>>10681356
That's the one. Why the fuck is no one translating this still??

[Anonymous No.10681383]

>>10681369
Look through the archives, it's been partly translated.
>>10548710
Kitai Fuku Ga Aru/ There Are Clothes I Want To Wear! by Tsuneki Netarou

Chapter 1 - I want to be myself
https://m.imgur.com/a/ej9a1vA

Chapter 2 - Exit the Net Cafe
https://imgur.com/a/M89cBpQ

Chapter 3 - Unfulfilled Dreams
https://imgur.com/a/qYytedg

Chapter 4 - The Struggling Swan
https://imgur.com/a/f7bAJzm

Chapter 5 - Street Snap Debut!?
https://imgur.com/a/qZ0hDTS

Chapter 6 - Class Goals For Whom
https://imgur.com/a/lHPDTwW

Chapter 13 - Rain and Lolita
http://velvet-translations.blogspot.com/2018/11/there-are-clothes-i-want-to-wear.html

It would be nice if someone could back these up in case they do get removed or if Imgur goes down.

[Anonymous No.10681656]

I'm wondering if I'm being too meticulous about listing every single flaw in my LM listings, literally my camera isn't even picking up this tiny faint stain.

[Anonymous No.10681696]

>>10681656
Better to cover your ass than have someone leave a negative review for undisclosed damage.
I always take 19384992 pics and really scrutinize the damage in my listings and 9/10 get a positive review about how the damage was way better than described.

[Anonymous No.10681719]

>>10681656
>>10681696
This. I just circle the damage in the picture if it's that hard to photograph. Better to have documentation for it than not.

[Anonymous No.10681724]

>>10681369
someone is translating the chapters, they're up to ch. 9

[Anonymous No.10681734]

>>10681724
So they are still translating it? How do you know this Anon? I have yet too see any other chapters than the ones posted prior in this thread.

This past summer I bought a few of the volumes, scanned two volumes and trained how to clean, but I felt hesitant to ask my fluent friend to translate and google translate is cursed...Honestly I wouldn't mind paying someone to translate it for me at this point.

[Anonymous No.10681746]

>>10680001
Her video is stupid. I actually came across this video analysis last week that was a lot better. I’d recommend it for anyone who has and hasn’t read the book.

https://youtu.be/uvFFS4EDnBQ

[Anonymous No.10681748]

>>10681724
link please

[Anonymous No.10681866]

I received two 2nd AP jsk's from fril today and I noticed that after I handled them, my hands became suddenly itchy.

Fortunately I don't have to worry about any colour bleeding, so I can throw them in the wash with no issues. But this is the first time I've had an immediate reaction to handling clothes.

Has anyone else had a similar experience?

[Anonymous No.10681870]

>>10681866
you're probably having or had a reaction to whatever cleaning process the person before you did - have broken out in hives from some detergents before, reaction was't instantaneous but if you're actually allergic to whatever it could happen that quickly

[Anonymous No.10681873]

The comments on that age players shit is just sending me , and she’s still unable to sell anything lol

Thanks for keeping up the good work gulls

[Anonymous No.10681876]

>>10681873
This belongs in the secondhand thread

[Anonymous No.10681877]

>>10681876
There isn’t one atm and this a general thread or something i guess. otherwise i would tho

[Anonymous No.10681879]

>>10681877
Doesn’t mean it belongs here

[Anonymous No.10681883]

>>10681879
Sorry but I don’t care lol chill

[Anonymous No.10681885]

>>10681883
Fuck off newfag

[Anonymous No.10681905]

>>10681866
Happened to me once with an older Baby skirt that ended up having cat hair all over it, I was suffocating about a minute after opening the package

[Anonymous No.10681910]

>>10681905
Idk why people don't just lint roll their shit, I have a cat but I always check my packages for fur contamination before sending it out. I don't want a pissy buyer getting asthma because of me.

[Anonymous No.10681911]

>>10681910
I got it from one of those Y!JP resellers, I suppose it's to be expected they don't clean the clothes before sending them out. If it was an individual seller and it wasn't mentioned that they even have pets, I'd definitely have a problem with it

[Anonymous No.10681937]

CC really is going downhill with the quality checks. They're trying to sell this broken ring as 'A' condition. I'm happy I didn't click buy.

[Anonymous No.10681959]

>>10681937
they must be doing bad since they usually rate pieces lower than they should be. normally that would be a D and be $10.

[Anonymous No.10681996]

has anyone heard if Paradiso is still happening next year? so far they haven't announced 2022 dates yet

[Anonymous No.10682135]

>>10681876
The secondhand embarrassment thread. Both the seller and commenters are cringe af.

[Anonymous No.10682227]

New WW wishlist sucks

[Anonymous No.10682304]

>>10682227
>new WW sucks
Fixed it

[Anonymous No.10682345]

Should I leave neutral feedback or none at all for a buyer on LM who filed a chargeback on their payment? (in error)
Even though it was an accident, it's created an issue for me because the funds are being held indefinitely while the item is being delivered/delivered and it could be a mark against me as a seller on paypal. Luckily I can still pay bills without the money, but if I needed it I would be SOL

[Anonymous No.10682350]

>>10682345
I’d just wait to make sure the funds are actually returned, and then leave neutral. If they’re not, then I’d leave bad feedback.

[Anonymous No.10682386]

>>10682345
If it was clearly an accident and they apologised for it, I would wait for the funds to be returned then either rate good (if the rest of the sale was good) or nothing at all. It feels really harsh to me to punish someone for a genuine mistake that they’re rectified and apologised for.

[Anonymous No.10682391]

>>10682350
>>10682386
Thanks for weighing in. I think I'll go the no feedback route. I'm always really hesitant to leave a neutral or bad because of how long it takes to build up a good record. I don't want to destroy it over a mistake.

I don't feel right leaving a positive either since it did give me a mini heart attack when I thought I was being scammed

[Anonymous No.10682774]

Sage for bitching about WW again but when you try to browse the cutsew category it sends you to page not found kek

[Anonymous No.10683474]

>>10681937
How embarrassing

[Anonymous No.10683952]

So is it just coincidence that AP and Baby both release these burger King crowns so close together

[Anonymous No.10683957]

>>10681937
I almost bought that too, damn that would have sucked.

[Anonymous No.10683964]

>>10679874
The quality of coords has rapidly been going downhill in the last 1-2 years. It's really sad.

[Anonymous No.10683967]

>>10683964
It's sad because the influx of newbies with bad opinions also causes the few good lolitas who post to stop posting. Maybe we should revive Daily EGL or one of the other groups.

[Anonymous No.10684089]

>>10683967
Would be ideal. But considering the last fuck trying to propagate a new daily posting coord community, idk. I'm starting to think cgl is overrun with newfags as well. I've been here since '06. I've been into lolita since '07. I don't even always post online, but quality of content definitely makes me less likely to.

[Anonymous No.10684097]

>>10683952
No. Lolita brands have copied each other on themes since the beginning. Not only that, some of them make shit that looks the exact same. Whining about "replica" shit only came around after Chinese brands copied crap, including Bodyline. And desu I think it was just the Western community whining about replicas.

Because in Japan they just buy one brand. So why would it matter to them that BTSSB copied AP for one dress? They don't.

[Anonymous No.10684103]

>>10684097
Isn’t the BTSSB a card captor sakura collab? Seems extremely sudden to pop a crown out in only a week after AP dropped theirs

[Anonymous No.10684130]

>>10684103
the cardcaptor sakura collab was promoted by baby ~2 months ago

[Anonymous No.10684132]

>>10684130
This.

>>10684103
I think you just haven't been paying attention, but lolita brands have always been bouncing off each other in themes. I think it's a common thing to network with other designers.

[Anonymous No.10684140]

>>10684132
I was suggesting that they weren’t just copying AP, because it would be extremely sudden to come up with that and in such a short time. I assumed they had to have talked with one another

[Anonymous No.10684205]

>offbrand
The state of this community

[Anonymous No.10684207]

>>10684205
Honestly, I'm glad newlolitas think the only brands that exist are AP, Baby, Meta, IW, and JetJ. Makes stuff so much cheaper for the rest of us

[Anonymous No.10684208]

>>10684205
Use the secondhand sales thread retard

[Anonymous No.10684243]

>>10684207
I'm not a new lolita and I don't care much for any other brand that's not one of the main ones. So realistically they are all offbrand as shit to me. Literally because my concept of those clothes is I could just throw them in the trash, they are so cheap rather than sell them on secondhand sales. I'll be honest with you, I'm not going to post up 10~20$ items. Those are literally me working for pennies.

[Anonymous No.10684284]

>>10684243
Anon MaM is not a 10$ brand, seller is just retarded and sold a 40$ tote for 10 bucks thinking it's offbrand. This exact one is being sold for that price on their site. I almost impulse bought it because it was so cheap but I have no need for it. The newfaggotry in lolita and cgl is unreal.

[Anonymous No.10684300]

>>10684284
How are MaM main pieces? I always just buy accessories from them but usually don’t bother with mains.

[Anonymous No.10684313]

>>10684300
I only own two when it comes to main pieces and one is very old but they're pretty good quality, their cutsew ops are extremely comfy. I have been in their store in person too so I have seen their other clothes irl and their stock photos make them look worse than they are desu. Some of their main piece designs I find bodyline tier though, but in terms of concept, not the quality or materials.
They use poly for printed pieces and cotton for solids, I'm only into solid pieces so that works for me.

[Anonymous No.10684315]

>>10684243
>larping this hard
embarrassing

[Anonymous No.10684436]

Is there a way to see if something is sold out in my WW wishlist, or am I going to have to click every listing to check?

[Anonymous No.10684697]

Advice for when you HATE a newbie in your comm? She’s befriended a lot of the popular lolitas in our comm and her coords aren’t incredible but not ita level either (probably daddy pays for all her burando) but I don’t understand why they like her? She’s not one of us, she’s clearly a fake egirl whore and posts slutty pictures in those egirl plaid mini skirts on the SAME instagram as she posts her lolita coords. Fetish collars too. She makes me so angry to even look at and I hate that if we don’t get rid of her soon she’s probably going to start thinking she can get efamous or something

[Anonymous No.10684700]

>>10684697
>Advice

Post in the feels thread or the local comm one where a post like this belongs instead of thinking that the general is your blog for starters

[Anonymous No.10684703]

>>10684697
Grow up

[Anonymous No.10684707]

>>10684697
vendetta post her until you out your pathetic self and your own comm turn on you

[Anonymous No.10684713]

>>10684697
Kek. The jealousy reeking from this post. I think the real issue here is that they like her more than you, and it’s probably because you’re actually a giant cunt. As evidenced by your own post on here.

[Anonymous No.10684715]

>>10684713
>>10684700
>>10684703
>>10684707

Did you MISS the bit about whoring herself out as an instagram egirl with mini skirts and collars?

[Anonymous No.10684716]

>>10684715
Kek seethe harder. Truth is, no one really cares about the sort of thing irl, and they’re clearly much more out off by you being cunty than her being slutty. Cry about it.

[Anonymous No.10684718]

>>10684715
Oh no! Someone in your niche fashion comm likes another type of fashion and shows skin above the knee!

You sound jealous as fuck that she's made more friends than you.

[Anonymous No.10684726]

>>10684715
I don’t care. This doesn’t belong ITT. Take it to one of the threads I listed.

[Anonymous No.10684728]

>>10684715
Unless she's literally like 14 I couldn't give less of a fuck what she wears outside lolita

[Anonymous No.10684732]

>>10684716
>>10684718
This is such a bizarre take you must be new. Lolita is about modesty and female empowerment, aren’t we supposed to be keeping it SEPARATE from sluttiness? Why is it milk worthy when some slut starts a lolita onlyfans but you’re all mad at me now

[Anonymous No.10684735]

>>10684732
>Why is it milk worthy when some slut starts a lolita onlyfans but you’re all mad at me now

I'm not personally, but yes the majority of people on here now are newfags. I get the anger, but you aren't getting anywhere without milk. Cgl is full of newfags currently. You're talking to those egirls you hate so much, very likely.

Lolita comm has always hated unseelie-types. And if you don't know who that is, then you're literally the scourge of our community rn

[Anonymous No.10684736]

>>10684732
>A-anyone who disagrees with me is new! 4chan is a hivemind, r-right guys?
Absolute fucking newfag. Go whine somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.10684738]

>>10684736
Nta. But I literally just posted >>10684735

06'er here, calling you the newfag. Congrats. You can't literally just skim over a namedrop reference to unseelie and think you're free.

[Anonymous No.10684740]

>>10684738
Are you having a stroke or do you actually expect everyone to personally respond to you within 2 minutes in a thread with multiple conversations running? Are you suggesting that the egirl is Unseelie tier? Why are you even bringing her up?

[Anonymous No.10684743]

>>10684740
>2 minutes apart.

What, do you only type with two fingers you cunt? I think you're just stupid, honestly.

[Anonymous No.10684746]

>>10684743
Yeah because everyone is constantly refreshing 4chan to pay attention to you and you alone! Anyone who doesn't respond to your post when they're responding to someone else is stupid!

[Anonymous No.10684752]

>>10684735
Thank fuck someone understands me. I’m not jealous I’m just annoyed this egirl slut is going to get popular with my actual Lolita friends in the comm and nobody can seem to see through her except me. I know >>10684707 was mocking me but I probably will start posting her here soon if she doesn’t get away from my fashion and my comm

[Anonymous No.10684753]

>>10684752
Just fucking do it, pussy.

[Anonymous No.10684754]

>>10684732
>Lolita is about modesty and female empowerment
Lolita is about wearing the clothes that you like, you absolute mong. Where does your female empowerment go when some e-whore wants to wear her mini skirts and fetish collars? She's not making it part of her lolita coords, it's literally just another type of fashion. Sounds like you should get a hobby.

[Anonymous No.10684756]

>>10684732
Literally no one cares. This isn't a church group. Personally I don't care about modesty and that's not why I wear lolita at all. I wear crop tops and miniskirts on my off days, go cry about it.

[Anonymous No.10684764]

>>10684754
ayrt is an obvious LARPer who thinks all lolitas must be lovelies, as if a bunch of us weren't scene kids and mall goths back in our day. this egirl shit is just the latest dumb trend, and sperging about it is stupid

[Anonymous No.10684766]

>>10684732
kek wait til you learn about our beloved VW

[Anonymous No.10684769]

>>10684732
>Lolita is about modesty and female empowerment
>Lolita is about modesty and female empowerment
>Lolita is about modesty and female empowerment
>Lolita is about modesty and female empowerment
>Lolita is about modesty and female empowerment

if you want to understand feminism, reading books on feminism is better than wearing something you think is feminism

[Anonymous No.10684804]

>>10684732
>Lolita is about modesty and female empowerment
it was about that 20 years ago maybe

[Anonymous No.10684815]

>>10682774
its doing that on every page now, for me... :S

[Anonymous No.10684835]

>>10684804
>>10684769
>>10684766

When this fashion is filled with onlyfans egirls doing ahaego on tiktok it will be the fault of people like you

[Anonymous No.10684838]

>>10684835
This board is overrun with ethots who wk themselves and cry jealousy since you HAVE to be jealous that they're *popular* and not just surrounded by strangers who are only there to wank over their body.
Plenty of people are disgusted by their type irl. Ethots are just blind to it since they of course only surround themselves with like minded individuals and orbiters.

[Anonymous No.10684843]

>>10684732
>female empowerment
>slut shaming

Pick one. E girls are cringe but it's not because they're sluts kek

[Anonymous No.10684847]

>>10684843
Egirl Lolitas are against everything we stand for

[Anonymous No.10684851]

>>10684847
Lolitas don't really stand for anything but wearing clothes you like.

[Anonymous No.10684867]

>>10684851
This is true. People on this board are fascinated with spreading the spirit of the fashion from 10 years ago like it's the gospel. They also like sticking to the crusty old Japanese lolitas from back then despite the fact that most posters on this board can't read Japanese or have a limited understanding of it. So in the end, commenters are parroting how westerners interpret what the Japanese spirit of lolita fashion is. It's a complete mess where no one is doing their own research.

But if you search Twitter, the Japanese are slowly starting to move on from the rules that bound lolita fashion in the first place. If you search for ロリィタ (not ロリータ which is the book they're avoiding) ルール together, there are far more tweets expressing disdain at the rules. This is biased because the Japanese use Twitter to rant just as much as the west. But you'll see sentiments like "the rules are the reason lolita fashion is dying", "the rules in lolita fashion go against what a fashion should be: expression of the self" yada yada. There are images of wa-lolitas wearing hakamas with platform boots. Images of OTT sweet lolitas wearing reeboks. Posters here underestimate the effect of globalization on fashion trends and how the citizens think.

Some people are more naturally more resistant to change than others. But in the end, it is a fashion, and is ultimately what you make of it. The argument about "what is lolita fashion" is a futile argument about linguistics. Setting up a boundary serves nothing more than to set up definitions to divide a community, but it won't change how people dress. They will wear what appeal to them, even if it isn't given a label.

[Anonymous No.10684881]

>>10684851
This is true but E-girls are all about shitty throw away meme clothes.

[Anonymous No.10684920]

>>10684867
> the rules are the reason lolita fashion is dying", "the rules in lolita fashion go against what a fashion should be: expression of the self"


People have been saying this shit for forever

[Anonymous No.10684940]

>>10684867
>ロリータ which is the book they're avoiding
This is not true. Official brands and the majority of Japanese lolitas use just # ロリータ or both.

[Anonymous No.10684942]

>>10680069
>>10680065
>>10679986
Kelcey, is that you?

[Anonymous No.10684950]

>>10684867
for fucks sake. For the last time. ロリィタ and ロリータ are interchangeable and are frequently used back and forth in the same damn article. Pretending you know shit is so cringey anon.

[Anonymous No.10684953]

>>10684867
Just wear what you want and don't call it lolita if it doesn't have the silhouette. I don't know why some are so desperate to call theie shapeless barely recognizable "experiments" lolita. Words have meanings and that one just has a different one, why is that so hard to accept?

[Anonymous No.10685151]

>>10684835
It's not going to happen because e-girls are poor fags who only buy shit from the thrift store and aliexpress. At most, they will buy on dress from taobao since they like to be half naked anways and lolita isn't the best fashion for that.

[Anonymous No.10685223]

Does anyone else feel that even some of the more experienced lolitas have difficulty telling the difference between sweet/gothic and classic lolita?
Case in point, while I love the coord she calls this "gothic" while there's really nothing gothic about this. It's a sweet dress in black, styled in a more classic way.

[Anonymous No.10685224]

>>10685223
Another "gothic" coord which is just classic lolita in black. No shade to them but I thought it'd be interesting to discuss how people classify the different styles, and do you think it's even relevant these days?

[Anonymous No.10685230]

>>10685223
That dress is not sweet in style

[Anonymous No.10685232]

>>10685223
Goth has always been black classic. Most dresses are just ruffles and lace after all. You can’t expect bats and crosses to be on every single dress.

[Anonymous No.10685239]

>>10685230
Really? To me it looks more like the mature sweet style that AP puts out a lot of these days. It's especially clear when you look at the dress details in another colorway. It might veer into classic but gothic is a bit of a stretch.
>>10685232
>goth has always been black classic
That's an interesting take. But there are gothic dresses in other colorways too. I think Moitie and Boz dresses are more clearly gothic from the cuts and lace used. Even without the obvious bats and crosses. Sheglit is sort of a mix of gothic and classic to me.

[Anonymous No.10685240]

>>10685239
This dress is not indicative of typical sweet. It's more that this sweet piece leans into other styles or has a different look than that Gothic or classic look sweet.

[Anonymous No.10685247]

>>10685223
I swear to God, this is why lolita is shit these days. Substyles aren't rigid, for every coord that's very clearly sweet or gothic, there's another that sits somewhere on the sliding scale between. It doesn't matter what substyle something is as long as the vibe of all the items matches so I really don't get the substyle classification autism.

[Anonymous No.10685253]

>>10685247
>why lolita is shit these days
Kek did you forget that it was the GLB that clearly marked out different substyles in the past? I'd argue that lolitas these days don't really know the subtle nuances between the different styles so their coords can end up looking like a bad mishmash. Like wearing sweet style socks and accessories with Iron Gate so it looks like a mess.
Of course coords can be on a sliding scale but it has to be tastefully balanced.
Anyways it's interesting to hear what lolitas think about this, personally I've noticed a shift past these labels. Personally I think they're sort of a basic thing to be aware of when creating coords so the look is cohesive.

[Anonymous No.10685254]

>>10685253
These drawings are all by Kira Imai though, a sweet icon for the most part. Her perspective could be different than like, Mana.

[Anonymous No.10685255]

>>10685223
If you’re going to be anal about sub styles then this dress really isn’t sweet. It’s not being styled in a more classic way, the dress is just naturally classic and mature. It would be very difficult to make this work in a coord intended to be sweet.

[Anonymous No.10685307]

>>10685254
>drawn by Kira Imai
They were drawn by her but commissioned by the GLB so it's not like it's just her personal opinion. There are also other examples with photos of coords in GLBs I just can't find them at the moment.
>>10685255
To me it's sweet but the more mature version of it that AP seems fond of these days. Like how Holy Lantern is sweet but with a more gothic edge to it.
I'm not really here to prescribe what people should classify their dresses as though. It's just interesting to note how everything seems more jumbled together these days.
I wonder if we'll get to the point of seeing someone call a sugary carnival coord in black gothic one day.

[Anonymous No.10685313]

>>10685307
OK but the reason why AP is considered sweet, despite black dressxgothic esque print is because the way Japan works is more based on each brand being specifically pretty designated to one genre, due to brand loyalists. That's why there are gothic brands and sweet brands. Sweet brands have a harder time breaking into the gothic market because of the way the brand cults work. I've seen some japanese gothic lolitas buy AP gothic esque prints and BTSSB prints, but it's still a "sweet edge" to it. I think the difference between what is lolita or not and what sub genres things fall under is a bit different.

Sub-genres a little more loose. Innocent world isn't popular anymore, but Innocent World used to be considering Classic-Sweet. You know what that means? It's not Sweet like AP. It's Classic, but can also be considered Sweet.

AATP is a strange one, we can't fully consider AATP sweet.

The reality is that most core pieces (jsk,op) might have styling that leans one way or the other but the way you coordinate or accessorize is where it leans towards one sub-genre or another. That's the way it's been since forever and that's why accessorizing has always been so big in Japan. It's lost in the West, because we don't quite understand how to adhere to styling. Even the sweet lolitas that do OTT don't accessorize enough to really be OTT outside of a main piece.

TL;DR: Lolita is strict rules, sub-genres aren't as strict on rules and are more based on accessorizing.

[Anonymous No.10685315]

>>10685232
By that logic these two coords would be both be classic lolita and we wouldn't even need gothic lolita as a substyle anymore kek.

[Anonymous No.10685318]

>>10685313
Oh, I forgot to mention. When I say accessorizing with sub-genres, gothic is simple. Crosses, etc. Less lace, less ruffles.

Classic is usually floral, older motives. You shouldn't be seeing crosses.

Sweet can have both. I think when it starts ranging out of the simple designs, that's when it becomes sweet. There's a lot of OTT sweet black coordinates. Reality is we do call this bittersweet, because it gets into the hot topicy looking shit sometimes.

[Anonymous No.10685320]

>>10685313
>>10685318
Also some newfag can come in whining as much as they want, but this is what I've witnessed and studied in 10+ years. If you're going to whine and say x thing is not a thing and this and that, then the reality is you're probably one of the fuckers blurring the lines currently.

We use words to define genres and separate things, so if you want defined lines between sweet and gothic then you need to get used to using the word that was made more than 10 years ago to describe something.

Otherwise, keep being confused. Because I'm definitely not.

[Anonymous No.10685469]

>>10685315
I didn’t say that should be the case. I’m just explaining the aesthetic. A lot of people are really quick to write off Gothic as classic, just because it doesn’t have overtly spooky themes

[Anonymous No.10685470]

>>10685313
>AATP is a strange one, we can't fully consider AATP sweet.
Why would anyone even remotely consider AATP sweet?

[Anonymous No.10685489]

>>10685470
nayrt but AATP has pieces leaning sweet, gothic, and classic. Pic related is solidly sweet. And some AATP combines elements from multiple styles, like Quiet Toys Room which uses a common sweet motif (toys) but in a classic color palette.

[Anonymous No.10685522]

Is it just me or has wunderwelt got a way better selection of items since they renewed the website
>too bad about that gigantic price hike though

[Anonymous No.10685547]

>>10684867
ugh. anon, I wish i could be your friend and just have discussions like this with you. THANK you.

[Anonymous No.10685549]

>>10685315
Left IS classic, tho

Right is gothic. Moitie SCREAMS gothic to me. but I wonder if this debate is worthwhile. As an oldfag, I can remember countless discussion on this topic, and it's true that GLB laid out rules for us... I think even Misako had input at one point. So did some of the brands. But nowadays, I consider this discussion almost impossible, because there's no way to point to a true "source" anymore. the internet/social media is too vast.

[Anonymous No.10685603]

>>10685549
That was my point, >>10685469 was trying to say that gothic =classic in black in >>10685232 when they actually do look pretty different. VM vs Moitie have very distinctly different design choices. Although arguably you could tweak your makeup and accessories for the coord to go from classic to gothic and vice versa.

I'm am oldfag too and just thought it was interesting how lolitas now don't have that sort of knowledge/distinction anymore.

[Anonymous No.10685685]

I just got in my giant taobao order and the only thing I remotely like is the roomwear. I’m so disappointed in this garbage quality, that only halfway through unpacking the shipment, I got demotivated. Even Nameless Poem came missing a waist tie and the button that the remaining waist tie was attached to immediately popped off. The halo i got came with a fucking hot glue stick to DIY it. Why did I even order this trash. Please someone punch me next time I consider doing it again.

[Anonymous No.10685688]

>>10685549
>>10685603
The left’s main piece is classic but her whole outfit overall is coorded as gothic. I think this is a super obvious example of a very classic dress, but lots of goth dresses are not so clear and could easily swing either way. The Gardenia series for example, or the Rose Forest Lace OP.

[Anonymous No.10685700]

>>10685685
did your SS check the contents for you? Also wtf with the Halo

[Anonymous No.10685724]

>>10684715
>>10684732
It's obviously butthurt egirls/wannabe egirls replying, it's the current state of cgl.

[Anonymous No.10685728]

>>10685685
noo my taobao order is poor quality

consume less,anon

[Anonymous No.10685746]

>>10685685
DESU just also got a taobao order. I like the very limited amount of main pieces I got, but regardless of that they don't compare to brand still. The material used is always too cheap.

But I'm also very picky. I like them for the design. I won't wear them often, because they aren't high quality. lmfao. You shouldn't be expecting too much when you order from taobao.

But accessories are still great from taobao, along with blouses. If you know who to get blouses from, anyways. I got a blouse in this order that made me like ..kind of wish I had ordered their mainpiece but the blouse is great for gothic.

[Anonymous No.10685765]

>>10685688
I think it's interesting that you consider the left as coorded as gothic, I'd consider it classic lolita with darker makeup. Pic rel is a VM dress that's coorded as gothic lolita. I do agree that Gardenia and Rose forest lace OP could go either way depending on how the makeup and accessories are done. It's easier with simpler dresses as well, there's a big crossover between classic and gothic. Especially when you have a good eye for details to balance out the coord.
It's been fun discussing this with y'all anons, we can't have meets here so I haven't had a chance to chat with other lolitas much.

[Anonymous No.10685767]

>>10685746
recc blouse places plz

[Anonymous No.10685768]

>>10685685
What did you expect buying cheap Chinese plastic lol

[Anonymous No.10685790]

>>10685767
Doze sheep was good for being two 5$ blouses in yellow and also white for the Summer Sorbet series (these are almost comparable to a blouse I have from AP), Lilizi princess sleeves blouse is the one I got that was really nice. It's very good in person and it will pair well with some of my other clothes. I have more blouses coming from a couple different places as well. Angel heart has a nice one that I bought. Excited to see how that one turns out.

[Anonymous No.10685797]

>>10685768
probably atleast AP quality since it's all the same shit now.

[Anonymous No.10685801]

>>10685797
New ap*

I'd really be reluctant to compare it to AP entirely, because there are far more pieces out there from AP that are high quality on the market..ignoring new things in the last year.

[Anonymous No.10685805]

>>10685797
Cgl may say that but I promise you that the crap you buy from taobao is not ap quality and wont ever be. People just love to complain because its not cotton anymore.

[Anonymous No.10685812]

>>10685805
Correct. I buy new AP as well as old, I complain because the designs are becoming tackier and less intricate but the construction is still leagues above most of the taobao stuff. Most of the taobao stuff I got is still lower quality than new AP. Yes. I am definitely one of the anons that whine and complain about new AP compared to old AP and new ap being like taobao. I admit that it's an exaggeration. Haha. The issue is that anons that are new, are never going to know because they can't afford new or old AP. The ones that come on here and talk about how high quality Taobao brands are actually have no reference point to Brand most of the time.

So yeah Taobao reps, take them as a grain of salt. It's always been a huge toss up since Clolita became a thing. Infanta STILL sucks and it's 11+ years later.

[Anonymous No.10685816]

>>10685685
Honestly, I don't really recommend Taobao for anyone who doesn't read Chinese/use Chinese social media. There's so much crappy stuff there that you need to filter out, and if you don't know how to tell if a shop sells fake and/or low quality stuff, you're just going to end up with a lot of junk.

I still buy from Taobao, including non-egl stuff, but I've learned to look around for recommended stores on social media, or look up store names if they have an item I'm considering.

[Anonymous No.10685818]

>>10685816
>still buy from Taobao, including non-egl stuff, but I've learned to look
Or.. you can just use the review system that is openly on taobao before you buy lol.
You can definitely see the quality for some brands.

[Anonymous No.10685820]

>>10685818
It's not the same. The reviews get hidden after a certain amount of time. Shops also re-release things on new links so you can't see old reviews. Old items are removed from the store so you lose those reviews too.

EGL and others have specific accounts on weibo for people to submit rants about things like poor service or poor quality goods from stores, so they're super helpful.

[Anonymous No.10685871]

>>10685728
>>10685768
I know, lesson learned. I was too trusting of everyone praising Nameless Poem and vouching for taobao accessories, like >>10685746 . Even the accessories were awful.

>>10685818
You overestimate how well clolitas can detect quality.

[Anonymous No.10685877]

>>10685685
desu I have a lot of buttons on brand items popping off on the regular as well, and no I am not a ham planet. just handstitch them back on, it will be fine

[Anonymous No.10685878]

>>10685820
Good to know. I am relatively cautious about what I buy nowadays, because most of my clolita just sits in my closet unused since forever. And I deem them as too cheap to sell as well, so w/e.

[Anonymous No.10685880]

>>10685871
NGL I buy accessories from mostly shops centered around them from taobao..

[Anonymous No.10685896]

At what point would you gulls call a dress too small? I know the rule of thumb is like 4cm bigger than your actual waist or something but does anyone really use that?

Cause today I tried a dress with a 60cm waist and I mean I could fit into it but I do now have a horrible stomach ache lmao and its like 15cm from my actual waist size but I did Fit into it
Obviously I won't actually buy dresses that are 10+ centimeters too small but I'm just curious on what you all think

like technically I could say that I fit into old moitie

[Anonymous No.10685899]

>>10685896
You really think squeezing into skirts too small to the point of pain makes any sense?

[Anonymous No.10685901]

>>10685899
No obviously not, I'm more so asking to what point you buy skirts or dresses sizing wise
Because I do buy stuff that is sometimes like 5cm smaller than my waist and I can wear it pretty comfortable

[Anonymous No.10685902]

>>10685896

>have a horrible stomach ache lmao

How did that not answer your question.

[Anonymous No.10685904]

>>10685902

>Obviously I won't actually buy dresses that are 10+ centimeters too small but I'm just curious on what you all think
>>10685901
>I'm more so asking to what point you buy skirts or dresses sizing wise

Maybe I'm just bad at writing or something but I think my question was pretty clear kek

[Anonymous No.10685905]

>>10685896
>I could say that I fit into old moitie
You do realize you sound like a clown, right? Everyone that works out knows that fat squishes down, but you'll look like a sausage roll. Seriously.

I don't have this issue because I work out actively and diet / eat things that are *good* for my body. I really don't understand the point in squeezing into something too small for you. Losing weight is seriously not that hard, if you're not obese. If you're average or even a little chubby, then learn to diet properly and eat things that are good for your body and you won't have this problem.

>>inb4 WAAAH IM 2 TALL
If you're actively talking about "squeezing" into something 15cm too small then that's fat, honey.

[Anonymous No.10685907]

>>10685896
I like a tighter fit anyway so 4cm bigger feels far too big for me. I've never measured but I'm guessing there's usually a 0.5cm - 2cm gap in my skirts and dresses.

[Anonymous No.10685911]

>>10685896
lmao wtf, so this is really how fatties think?

[Anonymous No.10685914]

>>10685905
Fun fact, I do work out and eat healthy anyways this post was not about weight or losing weight.
I don't care that I don't fit properly into moitie and I'm happy with my weight and body

And I am not too tall?? I know it's fat. Most of my fat collects at my stomach (sadly) but that doesn't mean that I am fat, sweetie

In the end I don't get why you are so worked up about just a harmless post of me trying to get a new convo going, the part of the squeezing into a dress is just a story next to the question

>>10685907
Thank you for understanding my question

[Anonymous No.10685916]

>>10685911
I am not a fattie, so "it's not how we think" have any of you ever learned reading comprehension or what

[Anonymous No.10685917]

>>10685896
Just remember that lolita is worn in layers. You should buy aim to buy sizes little bigger than your measurement because you're basically wearing two skirts (skirt + petticoat), three layers if wearing bloomers, four layers if wearing tights.

I wear normie clothes that are like 5cm smaller than my measurement too. But it doesn't inflict pain, just looks form-fitting.

I usually lounge around the house in lolita for a few minutes if I'm planning to wear it out. If I feel uncomfortable after 15 minutes of standing, walking, and sitting, obviously the garment is ill-fitting.

[Anonymous No.10685918]

>>10685916
They said their waist is 75cm. If you think that's fat, you need to step away from social media for a bit.

[Anonymous No.10685924]

>>10685896
15 cm? girl……

[Anonymous No.10685927]

>>10685896
>now have a horrible stomach ache
Get a bigger size nonnie your clothes shouldn't be hurting you and restricting that much. A good fit makes a huge difference and imagine how you'd feel if you ate a meal like that. Something bigger would look better on your frame as well since no one looks good stuffed into their clothes.

[Anonymous No.10685928]

>>10685896
Personally I prefer it to be something like 4cm bigger, yes. I would never wear anything too small, please wear clothes made for your body. Still, I'd really only consider it too small if it was smaller than my actual measurements.

[Anonymous No.10685949]

>>10685914
If you can squish down 15cm, that's all fat you dumb ass.

Lightly jogging once isn't working out btw.

Do you not realize 15cm of fat is actually a lot of fat or something? rofl. You literally have HALF A SUBWAY SANDWICH on your fucking waist.

[Anonymous No.10685951]

>>10685914
People are triggered, because you just ripped the seams in both the moitie and the fucking skirt you dumb ass. Just because you can fit your fat rolls in a dress, doesn't mean it doesn't PUSH at the fucking seams. It permanently STRETCHES the clothing, so that someone who fits that actual measurement doesn't fit and it ruins the clothes.

[Anonymous No.10685952]

>>10685951
'>just tried on'
good point. gonna have to stay away from these fat fucks on LM now

[Anonymous No.10685964]

>>10685949
Like I said I know it is fat I'm not stupid, but you all seem to forget that having fat does not equal being fat

>>10685951
I guess next time I should've stated that it was a brand-less dress that I got second hand for really cheap, and that I did not rip after I tried it on

>like technically I could say that I fit into old moitie
It was a reference to moitie being known for having really small sizes

I never even mentioned a skirt?? I only tried on one no-brand dress that is still in perfect shape I literally measured it after I tried it on for fucks sake

[Anonymous No.10685966]

>>10685964
Half a subway sandwich is fat. If you only had 1 inch or 2, then that's different. You literally have a whole ass half subway sandwich.

>*~*I fit into Moitie*~*
Fuck dude. You fatties are so fucking delusional.

[Anonymous No.10685968]

>>10685966
ntayrt but i feel like you are either a landwhale projecting or an ana skeleton who only ate one piece of toast this morning

[Anonymous No.10685970]

>>10685968
Neither. I work out, you loon. Muscle doesn't squish and you claimed to work out prior - you're fat. You're over here claiming *~*I work out*~* with 15cm of squish.

You're quite literally a delusional idiot fatty. You're even fighting everyone being pissed about you're fat ass squeezing into things, why? Are you just afraid to admit it and do something about it?

[Anonymous No.10685971]

>>10685968
also can tell you're samefag OP because no idiot thinks 6 inches of fat is something to defend.

[Anonymous No.10685972]

>>10685968
The fact they are obsessed with it being a sandwich makes me think they're a fatty if their first reference is American subway sandwich sizes and converting the cm to inches kek.

[Anonymous No.10685973]

>>10685972
>>10685968
>moron samefag rant
Go bust open some new dresses fat ass

[Anonymous No.10685974]

>>10685966
Oh no I have a whole ass subway sandwich full waist fat, and yet I still fit into normie clothes size Small, what am I a fat piece of shit

>Fuck dude. You fatties are so fucking delusional
Have you never heard of a joke before

[Anonymous No.10685975]

>>10685971
Nta but you sound like a child. A clothing item being 6 inches too small doesn't mean the person has 6 inches added to their waist beyond what is healthy and that all of that is pure fat. That being said though idk why anyone would torture themselves by forcing clothes that are too big or too small onto their body beyond something being comfortably oversized or whatever, seems dumb.

The appeal of saying you fit into x brand means nothing anyway because if you look bad because of size, poor coords, etc. no one gives two shits what brand you wear.

[Anonymous No.10685976]

>>10685896
I hate moitie fatties so much.
Take that money and invest in a gym membership instead.

[Anonymous No.10685977]

>>10685973
funny

[Anonymous No.10685979]

>>10685973

Nah anon your comment on the measurement being the length of a Subway sandwich is just funny to me. OP seems kinda weird for forcing herself into clothes she knows don't fit but you're no less cringe.

[Anonymous No.10685982]

>>10685896
josine is that u

[Anonymous No.10685983]

>>10685977
>>10685979
nta but
>posts exactly one minute apart

[Anonymous No.10685984]

>>10685983
great minds think alike? idk

[Anonymous No.10685985]

>>10685983
That's an unfortunate coincidence but also funny.

[Anonymous No.10685986]

>>10685985
>>10685984
Holy shit it happened again lol

[Anonymous No.10685989]

Can we genuinely put a stop to these people, now?

Seriously, this is about to flood into all our groups if we keep letting this shit persist.

[Anonymous No.10685992]

>>10685896
That's kind of amazing though, how do you wear something 15cm smaller without dying? I wear 66cm waist skirts for nanchatte and if I get 60 it's already something I have to undo on the side if I eat a meal. The Mary Magdalene OPs with 68cm waists are probably the smallest lolita pieces I've worn and that feels like the limit for me too.

[Anonymous No.10686013]

>>10685979
You're on 4chan. You're also cringe, you dumb shit.

[Anonymous No.10686045]

>>10685896
lose weight.

[Anonymous No.10686066]

>>10685896
>fit into old Moitie
So this is what Dickvinecross thinks, the delusion of you people

[Anonymous No.10686122]

>>10685896
Starve yourself

[Anonymous No.10686125]

>>10685989
Seriously though I've had girls message me with offers to buy this kind of ugly shit after I made a gothic wtb post like what level of delusional is this

[Anonymous No.10686220]

>>10686045
>>10686122
Not op, some of you are delusional when it comes to sizing jesus christ

I have 74-76 cm waist and I can fit comfortably in a 70cm dress, most of my one pieces are around that size, I fit into old school pieces by Baby, AP etc this is around the same size as op and you gulls are telling her that she’s fat, to starve herself and lose weight? Lmao you really sound like anachans, actual landwhales or maybe just scrotes

[Anonymous No.10686241]

>>10686220
I have the same waist measurements as you but can't fit a 70cm dress (I mean I /could/ if I forced it or tried wearing a waist cincher for a couple of weeks before putting it on but it would be very uncomfortable or even painful)

Everyone's bodies are different, people just love to generalize for some reason

[Anonymous No.10686357]

>>10686220
Squeezing yourself into dresses that are too small isn't fitting in things nonny. Usually you'd want at least 4cm of breathing space. I don't know how you continue to delude yourself.

[Anonymous No.10686365]

>>10686220
4-6cm is way different than 15cm. use your brain

[Anonymous No.10686388]

>>10686220
no one cares, loose weight fatty

[Anonymous No.10686442]

>>10685797
Without Japanese quality control oversight? Good luck with that.

[Anonymous No.10686448]

>>10686388
Well, YOU seem to care

[Anonymous No.10686459]

>>10686220
The fabric really makes a difference though. Some has a natural stretch to it, and some dresses have elastic shirring. Also where the measurements are and where they lie on your body.
I wore a dress with my exact measurements no shirring and the bodice felt fine, but after a while I realized it felt like a corset making me take shallower breaths. My underbust is 69cm and that was where it was restricting.

[Anonymous No.10686465]

>>10685896
Aim for 2-4 cm above your own measurements. My waist is 78cm so I go for 80-81 waist measurements as an example. With a corset I can go down further.

[Anonymous No.10686951]

>>10684732
>>10685724
kek im definitely not an egirl and have no desire to be. have you ever actually opened a GLB

[Anonymous No.10687271]

>>10686951
>everything in the gothic AND lolita bible is lolita!
way to prove their point

[Anonymous No.10687480]

>>10687271
Nothing in that photo is goth

[Anonymous No.10687489]

>>10687271
I've been seeing these same anons continue to say this shit from GLB. You see it overflowing onto CoF. Fruits and GLB related stuff, that's not Lolita.

[Anonymous No.10687501]

>>10687489
Also yes, I'm calling you out Fruits old schooler anon that recently posted to CoF. I know you frequent the board.

[Anonymous No.10687528]

>>10687271
It isn’t lolita, but it’s lolita related and inside a very relevant lolita fashion magazine, yet she is showing too much skin, it still doesn’t mean she is a newbie egirl whore hungry for efame

[Anonymous No.10688163]

>>10685685
Where did you get the room wear stuff from?

[Anonymous No.10688183]

>>10688163
The Bertis sets from TanTuan.

https://miwako.taobao.com/

[Anonymous No.10688185]

>>10687528
It is not lolita related. The only thing related to goth is egl, the rest are not at all.

[Anonymous No.10688191]

https://discord.gg/QCg9sMtk

[Anonymous No.10688226]

>>10688185
Nta but open a GLB for once retard. Just because we are obsessed with confining lolita to a box in the west doesn't mean different silhouettes or styles that don't go with our rules were not considered lolita back then.

[Anonymous No.10688227]

>>10688226
>implying that everything in glb was lolita

[Anonymous No.10688229]

>>10688227
It literally says it's asian lolita in the text you dense motherfucker

[Anonymous No.10688231]

>>10688229
nayrt but on what planet are the majority of the garments in that picture lolita

[Anonymous No.10688232]

Anyone know how to buy Japanese mags like harajuku pop mag? Am I going to have to SS this one?

https://harajuku-pop.com/distribution

[Anonymous No.10688233]

>>10688229
>>10688226
Oooooof. Imagine thinking you know Lolita without actually doing thorough reading.

You know what your problems are, newfags? You're only looking at mags. You need to be reading egl lj...

Fuck. Newfags are so fucking dense that you can't correct them nowadays

[Anonymous No.10688239]

>>10688233
lmao this has to be a troll. you're suggesting egl lj, a secondary source which required limited information guesswork for years, is more historically accurate than the primary source GLB by the japanese people who created the fashion?

[Anonymous No.10688244]

>>10688233
Kek I've been in the fashion since the LJ days and people regurgitated whatever was in the magazines, stop fucking larping, you sound like you got into lolita in 2012. My point is, the western idea of lolita is a lot narrower than the japanese one and if you truly knew shit about egl you'd know before tea parties it was worn to nightclubs and even fetish ones.

[Anonymous No.10688253]

>>10688229
Just because this one page is wa lolita doesn't mean everything in glb is lolita which is what you implied. Stay mad tho.

[Anonymous No.10688255]

>>10684436
You have to manually check. I'm really annoyed about this. It's like they decided to remove every good thing about the old website.

>>10682774
To be fair though even on the old site they had several item categories that they just never listen anything into properly, even though they had product.

[Anonymous No.10688260]

>>10688253
no, this whole argument is happening because >>10684732 said "LoLiTa Is SePaRaTe FrOm SLuTtiNeSs!" And since people literally wore it to fetish clubs in its early days and it was featured in concept GLB photoshoots like >>10686951 ,the answer is obvious. No one goes out wearing a bra like that model and calling it lolita, but it's a concept shoot MIXING lingerie and lolita. No one is saying everything in the magazine is lolita, we're saying the stuff that lolita was featured with is decidedly not all modest. Nor has it always had the strict poofy petti silhouette rule.

[Anonymous No.10688355]

Does anyone own any pieces from No.S Project? Is it good quality or just polyester garbage?

[Anonymous No.10688520]

>>10688185
Wtf? Of course it’s lolita related, all the elements in this picture screams lolita, from the hair and headdress to lace topped socks. Put a blouse and shoes on her, maybe change the socks lace, and she’s ready to go out in an old school coord.

>The only thing related to goth is egl, the rest are not at all.

What should this even mean? Yeah, it’s not goth and if you are speaking of egl as Mana’s egl it’s also not egl, it’s still lolita related.

Idk why some of us get so butthurt over things we don’t like being related with the fashion.

[Anonymous No.10688583]

Hey ladies

[Anonymous No.10688773]

new thread >>10688771

[Anonymous No.10689047]

>>10688583
No thank you

[Anonymous No.10689070]

>>10687271
What fashion do you think it is exactly? It’s very obviously a Lolita in her undergarments

[Anonymous No.10689076]

[Anonymous No.10689079]

>>10689076
????? This ain't the ita thread

[Anonymous No.10692938]

>>10689079
It isn't?

[Anonymous No.10696907]

>>10688583
Thanks I hate it.

[Anonymous No.10704224]

>>10679610
whos the model?

[Anonymous No.10704250]

>>10689079
okay taobao enthusiast

[Anonymous No.10704252]

>>10684697
baby I'm afraid you're the newbie gere

[Anonymous No.10704266]

>>10704250
You really got this triggered by a nearly two month old comment huh
sorry you think brand will save you from your inability to coord
ditching taobao is only a single step to not being ita

[Anonymous No.10705080]

Gulls, I signed up for a secret santa exchange. The issue is I got a classic lolita and the budget is about 15USD. Apparently they hate sweet lolita and pastel which is the only style I'm into. So that throws all my gift ideas out the window... What the heck does classic girls even like? Is it wrong to just mainly give candy and a small lolible jewlery? Do people even expect anything within their style for such a low budget..?