Mermaid skirts in lolita

[Anonymous No.10736185]

Victorian Maiden has released a lot of mermaid skirts, are they still lolita? Would you wear them?

[Anonymous No.10736186]

No. They have never been. That is EGA. VM has always been more than just lolita, as are a lot of brands

[Anonymous No.10736189]

>>10736186
>That is EGA
when will this meme die

[Anonymous No.10736195]

>>10736189
Because it's not lolita, retard

[Anonymous No.10736202]

Looks like 1900's larping to me.

[Anonymous No.10736235]

just make an EGA thread?
Here, I'll contribute.

[Anonymous No.10736236]

>>10736235

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>>10736236

[Anonymous No.10736241]

>>10736195
not that, dumbass

the misuse of EGA

[Anonymous No.10736391]

>>10736241
Just because it isn't black doesn't make it not EGA you fucking noob

[Anonymous No.10736402]

>>10736236
Who is this

[Anonymous No.10736417]

>>10736402
The owner of Neant

[Anonymous No.10736427]

>>10736202
It looks nothing like 1900s fashion. By your logic lolita is just 1700s larping.

[Anonymous No.10736428]

>>10736391
typical western misuse of terms

[Anonymous No.10736429]

>>10736202
what is being posted is mostly neovictorian

if we open it up to various jfash mermaid skirt coords we can move away from that, but i think OP wants to specifically see lolita brands used in mermaid skirt coords.

[Anonymous No.10736433]

lolita brands (like VM) that make mermaid skirts intend for them to be coorded with their other items, which obviously leads to a neo-victorian look.

Boz sometimes has a straightforward goth look for their mermaid skirt coords, which unlike VM cannot be mistaken for lolita from the waist up. Boz is more goth than lolita, and their blouses and jackets range from modern to medieval.

it would be cool to see people use mermaid skirts with something such as AP's retro-style tops, which would probably lead to a vintage pinup style silhouette.

however, the safe option is to fall back on a classic-style silhouette, which leads to pseudo victorian/edwardian coords

[Anonymous No.10736435]

>>10736433
example of Boz mermaid skirt coord that is all goth, zero lolita, and not neovictorian

[Anonymous No.10736436]

>>10736433
example of a Boz mermaid skirt used in gothic coord that could not be mistaken for lolita or neo victorian

[Anonymous No.10736459]

>>10736429
what is neo victorian and how does it differ from aristocrat?

[Anonymous No.10736469]

>>10736459
neo victorian is a global thing that is not exclusive to japan. it is general clothing inspired by the victorian era. steampunks and goths often use neo-victorian fashion. some lolita and ouji can also be categorized as neo victorian.

"aristocrat" is a western idea derived from mistranslations and context-less clips of GLBs and other Japanese fashion mags. people decided that Moitie's EGA was applicable to a range of shit from madame/shokujo to ouji to goth to literal butler coords. more specifically, the West uses "femme aristocrat" to mean neo-victorian womenswear.

EGA in Japan is almost exclusively used by Moitie wearers.

what the west calls "femme aristocrat" might be called any of the following labels in Japan: goth, classical goth, Victorian, lolita, madame, shokujo, lady, steampunk, witch, adult lolita, and more.

[Anonymous No.10736471]

>>10736469
(ctd)

why does it matter? because you get what you ask for.

"femme aristocrat" in the West is mostly neo-victorian womenswear, so the types of coords you get in that tag, or in a thread for it, will be constrained by that concept.

if you ask for "madame" coords, the "allowable" coords change and would include things that the western comm is not used to seeing at lolita meets.

[Anonymous No.10736473]

>>10736427
>By your logic lolita is just 1700s larping.
Lolita has aspects of that era but it's clearly different. Wheras OP looks more "accurate."

[Anonymous No.10736476]

>>10736429
>>10736469
>>10736471
this is all stupidity misinformed. god i hate men.

[Anonymous No.10736489]

>>10736473
No it isn't. It is blatantly inaccurate

[Anonymous No.10736494]

>>10736489
>>10736476
It's really obvious when the LARPfags come into lolita/jfash threads and mansplain by conflating western trends with Japanese ones.

[Anonymous No.10736507]

>>10736476

[Anonymous No.10736509]

>>10736185
>are they still lolita?
no

>Would you wear them?
no

[Anonymous No.10736539]

>>10736507
this has nothing to do with the shit being spewed and just proves they are wrong.

[Anonymous No.10736715]

>>10736539
how so?

[Anonymous No.10737111]

>>10736428
It literally is ega tho

[Anonymous No.10737151]

>>10737111
it isn't, even for Moitie mermaid skirts were EGM

EGA has a looser silhouette

[Anonymous No.10737156]

I have a long brown mermaid skirt that is beautiful and accentuates my figure well, so thanks for this thread anons because now I know better how to style it.

[Anonymous No.10737159]

http://manamonologue.blog16.fc2.com/blog-entry-430.html?sp

mermaid skirts = madame style, not EGA

>>10737156
here are some more

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[Anonymous No.10737163]

>>10737159
Are you stupid? he's using the word madame as a feminine replacement for aristocrat. EGA is a blanket term.

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[Anonymous No.10737165]

>>10737163
he calls it EGM on multiple occasions

http://manamonologue.blog16.fc2.com/blog-entry-421.html

if you want to differentiate between VM's lolita and mermaid skirts as being different styles, why do you resist maintaining separation between EGA and EGM?

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styling tips for gothic madame w/mermaid skirt vs gothic lolita

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>>10737165
anon, i don't understand how you're this dense.

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[Anonymous No.10737180]

>>10737165
Anon, you're so new. You're conflating styling with a style.

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[Anonymous No.10737186]

>>10737180
show me proof. i have never found proof to support calling such a feminine style EGA. i am very interested to see how the idea got started in the first place, since i have found no original sources to ever do it.

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[Anonymous No.10737194]

>>10737186
Use the GLBs you newfag. You're using one or two mentions by mana that are just referring to the skirts themselves. Every mention of EGA includes photos of men's and women's coords. Atelier BOZ is also EGA and EGL and sold these kinds of skirts as EGA. EGA is just meant to be a mature styling of EGL, hence the long skirts and pants rather than child length skirts and shorts. Stop trying to re-categorize things that have existed for years.

[Anonymous No.10737200]

>>10737194
this. i hate westerners who think ever magazine spread is a new special fashion. gothic and lolita are inherently related. they have tons and tons of crossover. lolita being a specific silhouette is a more westerner interpretation anyway.

[Anonymous No.10737201]

>>10737194
i do use GLBs. EGA is not used the way you describe.

"things that have existed for years" in this case is westerners misusing terminology and clinging to their own traditions.

[Anonymous No.10737202]

>>10737200
>lolita being a specific silhouette is a more westerner interpretation anyway.
i want to address this, and >>10736507, and the OP.

although Mana claimed that EGM was a line for feminine items such as mermaid skirts, the mermaid skirts i have found are clearly itemized under EGL.

the coords he creates that use mermaid skirts are clearly represented as EGL.

if he ever intended them to be EGM, such a dream was not realized. and they never appear in any EGA coord produced by Moitie.

[Anonymous No.10737203]

>>10737202
in fact, i only find EGM used for certain accessories, mostly neckwear.

Mana claimed that EGM included mermaid skirts in 2018 and in 2013, but all published materials and item numbers i have found do not agree with him.

[Anonymous No.10737206]

>>10737201
>EGA is not used the way you describe.
Please actually source your claims.

[Anonymous No.10737208]

>>10737206
it is easier to prove a positive than a negative. surely you have reasons to believe brands like Boz used the term EGA. this belief of yours would not be founded on hearsay, right? so show me.

[Anonymous No.10737211]

>>10737208
>spoonfeed me
gb2 the LARP thread and sit down. adults are talking.

[Anonymous No.10737212]

>>10737208
>surely you have reasons to believe brands like Boz used the term EGA.
Did you just get here? Where did you come from, you're clearly not Lolita.

[Anonymous No.10737213]

>>10737206
>>10737208
my own sources are every blog, tweet, and magazine spread from every other brand. as well as magazine editorials, and statements made on fashion snaps by the people being photographed. i cannot link you to the entirety of gothic and lolita fashion documentation.

brands that have ever used the term Elegant Gothic Aristocrat: 1, Moitie.

brands that have used general terms such as elegant, classical, gothic, but never aristocrat: many, such as Boz, Marble, Sheglit, Abilletage, etc.

i doubt Mana trademarked the term so there is nothing stopping them.

the only brands that use EGA are the ones that sell to western consumers, such as F+F. the same brands that use "kodona," for the exact same reason.

[Anonymous No.10737214]

>>10737213
holy shit you're a retard. they're not using the acronym EGA, learn to read japanese.

[Anonymous No.10737215]

>>10737211
you don't have proof because it doesn't exist. i know because i have looked.

it sucks to be wrong, but you'll get over it.

[Anonymous No.10737216]

>>10737213
God I hate men.

[Anonymous No.10737217]

>>10737214
>moving the goalposts

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[Anonymous No.10737219]

>>10737215
>>10737217
>trust me i have proofs!
go to the fucking ouji thread and stop ruining this one, moid.

[Anonymous No.10737220]

>>10737219
post content

[Anonymous No.10737221]

Thanks to whoever is posting. Please ignore the incel who thinks he knows it all. I don't know why this guy is so defensive. Tranny maybe?

[Anonymous No.10737222]

[Anonymous No.10737223]

>>10737221
you're welcome.

>Please ignore the incel who thinks he knows it all.
lol anon pls

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[Anonymous No.10737225]

>>10737223
Men from the LARP threads constantly come into these threads to try to jack themselves off about what lolita is. Look in friend finder and see all the moids who like "historical fashion" thirsting, including that fugly selfposting guy from brazil.

[Anonymous No.10737226]

>>10737223
oh anon...

[Anonymous No.10737227]

>>10737223
NTA but really? the first half of the thread is clearly a scrote trying to tell us this japanese fashion is just "neo-victorian".

[Anonymous No.10737229]

>>10737227
that is not what i am getting from the thread.

>side one
"EGA is not used for coords like this in Japan. They fall under many different labels, but not EGA. Not even Mana-sama calls this type of coord EGA."

>side two
"These coords are definitely EGA. They are called EGA by Japanese brands and the people who wear the fashion."

>side one
"I have never seen any Japanese use EGA for this kind of coord."

>side two
"Look harder."

also i'm out of inspo, unless anons want to go deeper into gothic coords

[Anonymous No.10737230]

>>10737229
He's been told he's wrong about it and keeps digging his heels in because he read 2 mentions of it by mana. The neo-victorian argument wasn't even relevant to begin with either and it looks like he did some quick research to prove his point. But luckily this thread will fade into obscurity.

[Anonymous No.10737231]

>>10737230
>He
that's probably the scrote now

[Anonymous No.10737232]

A general question, is it possible to make longer mermaid skirts look good if you’re short (5 feet even?) Would I just have to wear huge heels?

[Anonymous No.10737243]

>>10737232
Depends on your proportions and whether you have cankles. A lot of the models are quite short anyway and look fine but you need at least a small heel and ideally slender legs.

[Anonymous No.10742033]

New Moitie release! All hail mermaid skirts!
https://twitter.com/moitie_official/status/1503611958007902208?t=5ePqRcbYc6FQpyI0V7pazw

[Anonymous No.10742034]

>>10742033
Dropped pic like an idiot

[Anonymous No.10742038]

>>10742034
The fabric is nice, but why'd they have to use it on such an awful design? Would an elegant gothic aristocrat vampire wear that to romance? No.

[Anonymous No.10742052]

>>10742033
this isn't even a mermaid skirt, retard. mermaid skirts flare out at the knee or so and are tight around the hip and thighs. god i can't with you fucking idiots.

[Anonymous No.10742066]

>>10742034
What the fuck is this shit. Every time I assume nu-moitié has scratched the bottom of the barrel, they prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.10742069]

>>10742034
Why did Moitie steal my grandma's couch and turn it into a bad skirt?

>>10742052
anon is correct this isn't mermaid

[Anonymous No.10742079]

>>10742034
This is some axes femme tier shit. wtf moitie

[Anonymous No.10742405]

>>10736185

That's EGA style and is one of the oldest lolita styles out there, from the 90's.

[Anonymous No.10742406]

>>10736185 (OP)

That's EGA style and is one of the oldest lolita styles out there, from the 90's. It has been clearly exposed to death in the Gothic Lolita Bible. So you are either noob or trolling.

[Anonymous No.10742407]

>>10736185

That's EGA style and is one of the oldest lolita styles out there, from the 90's, created by Mana (Moitie is HIS store). It has been clearly exposed to death in the Gothic Lolita Bible. So you are either noob or trolling.

[Anonymous No.10742409]

>>10736185

That's EGA style and is one of the oldest lolita styles out there, from the 90's, created by Mana (Moitie is HIS store). It has been clearly exposed to death in the Gothic Lolita Bible.

It seems you people forgot that the lolita style is called GOTHIC for some reason. Those rainbow vomiting, costumet "lolitas" are not lolitas, that's OTT decora or similar shit.

So you are either a noob or trolling. Which is probably the last one, since we are on cgl and this is a troll website that can't be taken seriously.

[Anonymous No.10742479]

>>10742034
This colourway was a choice as was the fabric. I think it looks cute in the other colourways but not for the price they are asking. I wonder if they will do a lolita release with this material.

[Anonymous No.10742495]

classic lolita put her mom in a mermaid skirt

[Anonymous No.10742496]

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>>10742496
source

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[Anonymous No.10743251]

Anyone ITT saying they wouldn't wear them is just a jealous fatty.

[Anonymous No.10743254]

I wish there was this kind of stuff but for guys

[Anonymous No.10743296]

>>10743254
flare pants

[Anonymous No.10746064]

>>10737164
Ugh I can't stand the girl on the right

[Anonymous No.10746065]

>>10746064
What'd she do?

[Anonymous No.10746068]

>>10746065
She's that scalper who set up a pop-up lolita history museum and is now running a store selling salvaged brand at a huge markup

[Anonymous No.10746094]

>>10743254
just transition before it's too late

[Anonymous No.10746159]

>>10742033
>>10742034
My hips would literally never fit into this regardless of what the waist size is. Also this is a line not mermaid. I think it's kinda cool, reminds me vaguely of kimono lines

[Anonymous No.10746399]

>>10737165
>>10737163

Just wear the style you want and shut the fuck up.