Giant Headed Macots

[Anonymous No.7176194]

So guys, my best friend and I want to go to our big con as Pancham and Teddiursa mascots together. I figure the two bear pokemon are going to be adorable together. I've made mascots before, but never one with quite so large of a head to body to legs disparity. I was hoping /cgl/ would brainstorm some ideas with me to be as accurate size wise as possible. The go-to answer would be to make the head absolutely enormous, but I can hopefully find a middle ground with you all.

Pic related is the only teddiursa mascot I found.

[kyuubey !!sCC2dBePTXh No.7176202]

Beach ball, paper mache, supports


If you want to go the cheap cheap way

[Anonymous No.7176218]

>>7176202
Uhh...I know how to make mascots, and that's definitely not it. Just sweating would make something like that collapse on you. Fiberglass for a stiff head, or upholstery foam for a soft head. That's not the problem at all, as I clearly stated in the OP. I was asking what /cgl/ thinks about balancing just how large teddiursa's head is compared to its body. It's 2 heads tall. A human is typically 6-8 heads tall. That means that, scaled up to human size, teddiursa's neck is somewhere near crotch level on an adult. That's not really viable as a costume.

Look at teddiursa. Look at that adorable fucker. Now try and imagine a human inside of it. That's what I'm having trouble with.

[Anonymous No.7176241]

I've never personally made a mascot but from just glancing at the picture, if you want it to be a smaller head, then make the body bigger so it's more proportion right?

The head could be to the mid-chest or something.

[Anonymous No.7176251]

>>7176218

look for rillakuma mascots for inspiration, the build is similar

[kyuubey !!sCC2dBePTXh No.7176660]

>>7176218
You asked, I told, your response was on par with a coscom faggot "oh I'm asking how but now I already claim I know how so you are absolutely wrong! "

Figure it out yourself now

[Anonymous No.7176675]

>>7176251

[Anonymous No.7176681]

>>7176675
Sometimes I feel like the person is really small or they have a tall-ish person where Rilakkuma's shoulders are just where the person's elbow is.

>>7176218
Also you're under estimating the strength of paper maché, which can be very strong. It's only time consuming to make because you have to make sure each layer is dried thoroughly before you add another layer on or else mold can happen. And then you just seal it to prevent moisture from weakening it.

[Anonymous No.7176685]

>>7176681

[Anonymous No.7176690]

>>7176685
Though I think investing in a lot of dense upholstery foam will do you fine.

[Anonymous No.7176692]

>>7176690

[Anonymous No.7176694]

>>7176692
And so the knees would be around where the crotch level is on Rilakkuma.

Anyway that's it for visuals. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.7176889]

>>7176660
He asked about proportions and you answered with bad construction advice. Now you're pissy they didn't like your bad answer to the wrong question? Can't you read?

Worst tripfag, or worst tripfag?

[Anonymous No.7177062]

[Anonymous No.7177086]

>>7176694
I normally think mascots are super creepy but this one is so cute.

[Anonymous No.7177230]

>>7176889
Sup samefag op. QB happens to be pretty decent at disproportionate cosplays. He is also good at not leading you by the hand but giving you enough to learn it by trying it at least once. That is if you're not the usual autistic.

[Anonymous No.7177237]

>>7177230
"giving you enough to learn it by trying it at least once"
"beach ball, paper mache"
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.7177239]

>>7177230
>I was hoping /cgl/ would brainstorm some ideas with me to be as accurate size wise as possible.
Can you not keep acting like a dick when the OP never asked HOW to build a mascot costume, they asked about proportions.

[Anonymous No.7177402]

To the anon posting rillakuma, thanks for the help. I think I have some ideas, but I still don't like how they have to handle the neck. You've been very helpful.

To kyuubey and himself samefagging as anon, I do not need construction advice. Did not ask for it. Stop pmsing all over the place because you didn't read.

[Anonymous No.7177435]

Piggy backing off of this.

I want to make a Blastoise costume, and I can't decide how to make the "ring" around the shell, you know, the white part. Should I just go with paper mache? I was thinking of using some sort of flexible plastic piping, but I can't find any that are six inches in diameter and not ribbed for ventilation.

What does the seagull braintrust have to say?

Also, where is the cheapest head molding kit out there? I see ones for 100 dollars, but I know that they're jewing me.

[Anonymous No.7177459]

>>7177435
The white part is still part of the shell. It would only make sense to use the same material or similar to the rest of the shell.

And what material for head molding sod you want to use? I personally use light weight resin, but that requires clay sculpting, mold making and whatnot. What materials are you experienced with?

[Anonymous No.7177468]

>>7177459
I decided to look at what the furfuckers use, which is what I'll be emulating, and apparently they wrap their heads in plastic bags and duct tape, so I'll just use that and cast a head inside of it.

I don't consider the white part to be the same part of the shell as the front or the back, really. I'm using pleather for the front and back, and I don't think that would translate very well on the rim.

[Anonymous No.7177472]

>>7177230
Did you drop your trip for this?

[Anonymous No.7177500]

>>7177468
I know quite a few of those furfuckers, and I've never heard of using a plastic bag and duct tape to make a mascot head? Or are you talking about making a cast of your own human head? If that's what you're talking about, medical plaster bandage in a few layers should do much better than duct tape. A duct tape mold will warp badly. Plaster bandage is not too expensive, either.

And what do you think that white part on Blastoise is, then? I always thought it was the rim of the shell since the shell is drawn the same way as koopas and any other japanese turtle. You could try attaching warbla sheets and paint them like armor.

[Anonymous No.7177637]

>>7177500
I'm casting my head and then applying cut outs of foam to it for the base, then applying larger 3d foam carvings for the features. I decided I'll make a duct tape head out of tape and a balaclava, then fill it with expanding sealant foam for a quick and dirty head cast.

I don't know how to describe the white part, but I would think it would be more of a "bony/shiny/rigid" type of thing, whereas the back and front are more "leathery/flexible."

[Anonymous No.7177650]

>>7177637
I'd still recommend using plaster bandage rather than duct tape. The front of your face will be completely lost with duct tape. If you want head size, there are male head busts that are cheap at only $5-$10 at black beauty salons. Other than that, it sounds like you're on track.

That's interesting. I always figured the shell on the back would be really hard, the white part was the outside of the shell, and the belly would be hard, or maybe leathery. Either way, I think warbla painted to look hard is going to be more lightweight and doable than most options. There's this poly sheeting sold at my Tapp plastics that can be heat warped, but I don't know how available it is elsewhere and it seems like it would be unnecessarily heavy and bothersome for what you're doing.

[Anonymous No.7177671]

>>7177650
In real life I think Blastoise would fit your description, but I'm making him soft with hardened edges to fit a more cartoonish artstyle. I'm using pleather for the front and back. I'm going for a step between a plushie type of furry costume and an actual turtle, which, in my mind, is blue, brown, and tan pleather.

[Anonymous No.7177679]

>>7177671
Makes sense. Pokemon are a really tough call, since even Blastoise's cannon is colored the same as his face, so you're never sure what anything is. (Insert flesh ribbon pun here)

And all leather? I hope you have some hidden vents in there so you don't die of heat stroke!

[Astillar !xRVhZ/rqCs No.7177689]

You can get on your knees if you want to keep the proportions right. You won't be walking around too much though. Kneepads are a must.

[Anonymous No.7177709]

>>7177230
>dropping your trip
>still not being able to read your own post to see that its completely irrelevant to ops question

Stop embarrassing yourself, honestly.

[Anonymous No.7177710]

>>7177679
I never allow heat to stop me from wearing a costume unless it will damage the appearance, IE pit stains.

[Anonymous No.7177730]

>>7177710
You have quite the dedication! If it's possible, try and work some cooling ideas in. I know computer fans blowing air out the mouth is popular, which will work if you make your mouth open and using a colored window screening/buckram. Maybe wear a cooling vest and having the suit reinforced to stand away from your skin. Anything to reduce your personal strain. I know it's fun in costume, but mascots are super prone to passing out from heat exhaustion.

[Anonymous No.7177737]

>>7177230
Lol samefag Kyuubey or asslicking white knight who also can't read? Guessing samefag.

Hey there OP! Don't know shit about making mascots, but post er here when you finish!

[Anonymous No.7177795]

>>7177237
>>7177239
>>7177402
>>7177472
>>7177709
>>7177737

Use a proxy next time OP, try to make it a little less obvious.

[Anonymous No.7177802]

>>7176194
>pancham
>teddiursa

>no cubchoo

You disappoint me.

[Anonymous No.7177805]

Hey guys, I don't know what is going on, but I am the actual OP. I just just got back and I don't know what happened, being that I only started this thread and haven't posted since. But can we we please stop fighting so this doesn't get janitored? Also, who ever is acting as me, please go away.

[Anonymous No.7177808]

>>7177795
Except I'm not OP, seriously just stop it.

[Anonymous No.7177839]

>>7177795
Lol, try again.

[Anonymous No.7177849]

>>7177795
I wasn't OP either. Nice try, though.

[Anonymous No.7177923]

>>7177802
This. Bear Force One must assemble.

Now who wants to be Ursaring and Beartic with my Pangoro?

[Anonymous No.7178001]

Nevermind, thanks to all that tried to help. I should have known asking cgl was useless

[Anonymous No.7178010]

>>7177689
Kneeling might be a viable method, but then side views are going to be bad. Maybe some way of dropping the costume down for photos, but having a standing ability. Thanks for the idea!

>>7177802
You wanna be our cubchoo?

>>7177805
You're not the actual OP, I posted twice already in the thread before you.

>>7178001
And you're definitely not the OP, since I already thanked someone way near the top of the thread for being helpful.

Seriously, what they hell happened to my thread? I just wanted to see how other people were handling crazy proportions, not a tripfag roast. /cgl/, sometimes you need to lay off the crack and booze.

[Anonymous No.7178024]

>>7178010
Pssst, OP or fake op, not sure.
I think they meant use the beach ball to simulate proportion, just saying as a fur suiter that has done the same.

[Anonymous No.7178041]

>>7178024
They said beach ball and paper mache, which is the poor-man's head blank. As a fursuiter you should know the dangers of sweat-laden paper mache breaking down and cracking. There was a bad incident at anthrocon 09 of a brittle head dropping dust into the suiter's eyes and they had to be carted off to the hospital and the head was chopped off and destroyed.

Either way, I already replied to him in the third post. It's not a big deal, he probably just read the subject and assumed what I was asking. I don't care. I wasn't offended as it seems some of these anons are. No big deal.

And for reference, I do scale comparisons by drawing teddiursa over a photo of myself. Doesn't help with figuring out how something like that would move. Can it sit, can it see, that sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.7178044]

>>7178024
if theyre adding "paper mache" to the sentence, its safe to instantly assume they're talking about construction of the thing, and not proportioning.

[Anonymous No.7178093]

>>7177689
>>7176690
>>7177566

How does one make these giant hollow heads? Not a fursuiter, just interested in the technique for uber large hollow props.

[Anonymous No.7178120]

>>7178093
Building durable for the long term leaves you with two popular options. A soft head like a plushie is usually high density upholstery foam - think of the thickest, most uncomfortable but flexible couch backing. The other is for hard heads. Fiberglass is the way to go. For either, you might build a rough structure to build upon like metal hoops or chicken wire. This does not go into the final product, it's to get you started.

Once you have most of a sphere, you have to either mount it to your shoulders (heavier heads) or onto your own head (via a helmet or similar structure).

Did that answer your question, or did you need clarification or other methods?

[Anonymous No.7178308]

>>7178041
I never had this problem you speak off. Then again, my definition of paper mache is strips of newspaper and elemers or wallpaper glue

[Anonymous No.7178313]

I'm planning on doing a mascot cosplay like the one OP wants to do - the cat mascot of the Fairyland Cafe from Azumanga Daioh.

Don't use paper mache and a beach ball. It will fall apart and require a lot of inner structure to keep it held up. I recommend using an acrylic globe. Light bulb surplus sells them.

[Anonymous No.7178342]

>>7178010
>You wanna be our cubchoo?

That would actually be super fun, but 1) never constructed a mascot costume, and 2) I can only afford one con a year. The three bears would be so cute together, though.

[Anonymous No.7178644]

>>7178308
Exposure to heat and moisture (sweat, hot breath) over longer periods of time causes the glue to break down. Both elmers glue and wallpaper glue are water soluble. You might be lucky, or maybe you didn't wear your costume that long. You used it on an enclosed head? As a prop material it is fine, but paper mache is not good for anything exposed to constant moisture.

>>7178342
I wish we could get a ton of cute pokemon mascots together. 'Twould be adorable.

[Anonymous No.7179155]

Different anon, here. If you're willing and able to go to the paper mache route (which is extremely time consuming - just a warning), be sure to have some good understructure to keep it held up and to cover your final layers with epoxy.

[Anonymous No.7179431]

>>7178644
The "head" enclosed the entire upper half of my body. It was a literal sweat box.

Dunno, as I said. Didnt have this brittling issue and the first thing that broke on it was actually a rubber mouth joint

[Anonymous No.7180227]

>>7179431
Did you only wear it one con? And was it a summer con? Who knows, maybe yours won't fall apart just yet, Just be aware there are more stable ways to do it.

It's the same thing as me going to work at the hospital every day and saying I never get sick. I don't, but that doesn't mean that going to hospitals doesn't usually increase your chance of getting sick.

[Anonymous No.7180240]

>>7180227
Otakon for one lol. The body is also black fleece

[Anonymous No.7180241]

>>7180227
Also, its been to awa twice and ohayocon

[Anonymous No.7180245]

>>7180240
Baltimore, Mariland, August; slightly warm temperatures with nice humidity. http://weatherspark.com/averages/30064/8/Baltimore-Maryland-United-States

That's nothing back breaking at all. That pretty mild for most of America in August, California and Florida hit the hundreds in August. And the body isn't really the issue, it's all about the head.

I'm guessing your suit either has good ventilation and the hot moisture is escaping pretty well, or that the roof of your head has a lot of moisture damage but it is thick enough/supported well enough to have not shown signs of wear yet. I'm not saying paper mache isn't a good method, but it's not long term stable or as light weight as the alternatives.

[Anonymous No.7180248]

>>7180241
Ohayocon is January - you'd have to work to sweat there. AWA is even cooler, with less humidity. https://weatherspark.com/averages/29669/9/Atlanta-Georgia-United-States

[Anonymous No.7183969]

this was actually me inside that cat cos.

Like somebody said before, the head goes over the shoulder ! Plus i used kigurumi style for the lower body, then it looks like you got short legs.

Hope i could help, else ask

[Anonymous No.7184025]

>>7183969
How did you make that head? It's perfect!

[Anonymous No.7184671]

>>7184025

its made of insulating board. Got them for free from a friend. The problem, it gets realy havy but a perfect form.

What you cant see, i screwed a helmet inside the head. So it will never to fall off whole wearing.

hope i can help, else, feel free to ask again.

[Anonymous No.7184701]

>>7183969
>that cat cos.
Is that not happy?

[Anonymous No.7184707]

>>7184701

yes, it is
thought people dont know him

[Anonymous No.7184711]

>>7183969
how'd you make the actual suit part?
What did you use to cover the foam after?

Not, OP. just a lurker.

[Anonymous No.7184715]

>>7184711
ditto. I want to know how you did the hands and any "fluffing" on the body, if there is any.

[Anonymous No.7184733]

>>7184711

I used cheap blanket from a discount clothing store (3 Euro 1,50 x 2,50m, im from germany). Its nothing "special", just a norma bluel thin blanket.

Maybe i should mention i added 2 layers over the head, so it gets very round and smooth.
(Used hot glue)
Added one early pic for you, that you get an idea.

For the body part, search google kigurumi tutorial. I used the same blanket for the kigurumi. Thats the trick to make the head look bigger and legs shorter.

[Anonymous No.7184739]

>>7184715

For the hands, i bought cat paw gloves,i bought them in Tokyo, but you can also find them in online stores.

I cut the "pawpads" from the glove and made my own paw gloves with my blue blanket. Then just glued the pawpads on it . Also i fit the orignal paw gloves inside my gloves, hope you understand,so it got more fluffy.

[Anonymous No.7184740]

>>7184739
Sorry, "fluff" was a bad word to use. I meant more like, how do you keep the fabric away from your body? Is there a frame or does it just hang on you?

[Anonymous No.7184950]

>>7184740

ah ok, no normaly not. I was just wearing a very thick sweatpants underneath the cos, that worked and gave it a fluffy look, and even keep the fabric away from my body.

You would die because of the heat, if you would add more "fluff" inside the cos. haha

[Anonymous No.7184969]

Watching this thread with great interest. I've a mind to do something similar for a Problem Sleuth cosplay, though obviously not nearly as big as OP needs

[Anonymous No.7186299]

>>7184969
OK that would be amazing.

[Anonymous No.7186308]

>>7184969
why not go big and be mobster kingpin?

[Anonymous No.7186474]

I wish more people would do mascot like cos . Always cool to see some at cons. Gues its to much effort , thats why they are so rare

[Anonymous No.7188905]

>>7183969
Anyone else thought that the black silhouette on the left was someone in a black zentai suit from the thumbnail?

[Anonymous No.7188998]

>>7186474
Bonus points for this:

[Anonymous No.7189002]

>>7186474
bonus points for something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuJ8-q4nECk

[Anonymous No.7190883]

>>7189002
And this begs the question... is there any ONE person who has actually done every dressphere of one of the characters? Theres plenty of FFX2 cosplay but people shy away from armor and mascots because of the difficulty.