Lolita General

[Anonymous No.7735210]

>>7724066 is autosaging.

[Anonymous No.7735280]

>>7735210
>Lolita General
>OP pic is otome
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.7735365]

Kind of a noob question, but are antaina shoes irl as clunky as they seem in the stock photos?
I want to get some shoes from them since bodyline has failed me twice, but all the stock photos seem a little off.

[Anonymous No.7735419]

>>7735280

[Anonymous No.7735532]

>>7735280
It's otome, but it's AP. Calm down.

[Anonymous No.7735533]

>>7735365
Some styles are a bit clunky and boxy, yes.

[Anonymous No.7735966]

What are some good non-taobao stores for colored blouses? I've purchased a lot of skirts recently that can be worn with a lot more than just black and white (emerald, mint, orange, etc.) and I am in desperate need of buying some tops to pair with them.

[Anonymous No.7735971]

I'm not well versed with shopping services for Taobao so I was wondering if there are any you guys could recommend? I'm just looking for a quote on something at the moment

[Anonymous No.7735974]

>>7735365
Secret Shop is 10x better.

[Anonymous No.7735976]

>>7735966
Lady Sloth maybe?

[Anonymous No.7735987]

>>7735210
looking for a good white blouse for wearing with jsks. all the decent ones on BL are sold out in white/my size. preferably around 40$ or less

[Anonymous No.7736020]

>>7735974
They're 100x harder to find, too

[Anonymous No.7736077]

>>7735987
???
>>7718405

[Anonymous No.7736096]

>>7735971
The taobao thread has a spreadsheet for ss's. >>7728891

[Anonymous No.7736105]

>>7735365
could you link to the specific shoes you mean?

[Anonymous No.7736123]

I know this is kind of a retarded question or even kind offensive but, could be ballerina shoes (not really exactly like it, just a similar shape, I hope you get it) work with a simple look ?
I mean with a very subtle color depending on the rest of the outfit, for example dark shoes with a dark outfit ?

[Anonymous No.7736161]

>>7735966
Depends how lolita you want the blouse to be
For loliable but not necessarily lolita I usually trawl ebay/etsy looking for decent vintage and peter pan collar blouses, also forever21 and topshop usually carry something. asos is hit and miss but sometimes has a few gems.

[Anonymous No.7736171]

>>7736123
Generally speaking the flattest sole acceptable is considered to be tea party height. Ballet flats tend to look lazy and make your feet look big.

[Anonymous No.7736172]

>>7736105
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1.w4004-4788248240.22.lRyPsE&id=12285916325
these. I feel like they're kind of clunky looking in comparison to the IW original.

>>7735974
I might buy a pair of in stock tea parties from them but I'm still waiting on the ETC glitter shoes before I give clobba any more of my money..

[Anonymous No.7736180]

>>7736123
Are you talking literal ballerina shoes or ballet flats? And if you mean not exactly like it, you should definitely give us an example. There are certain subtle nuances when it comes to shoes that are on the edge of acceptability.

[Anonymous No.7736184]

>>7736172
Hmm, I dont own them, but they do look a little off in the photos. Maybe you should try somewhere else. I have a couple pairs of antainas, and theyre generally....they scuff very easily and wear fast.

[Anonymous No.7736188]

>>7735532
Is there a guide somewhere that points out the clear-cut differences between otome and lolita? OP's pic looks like lolita to me. It fits the silhouette, covered shoulders, etc. Is it because the skirt is too short? The cardigan? Genuinely want to know, because my coords resemble something like this, but I don't want to be mislabeling it as lolita if I'm dressed in otome or vice versa.

[Anonymous No.7736190]

>>7736172
Has anyone received their ETC glitter shoe replicas, btw?

[Anonymous No.7736192]

>>7736171
Thank you very much for the info !

>>7736180
Oh, I am so sorry, should have posted a picture, but I meant the ones at the right of your picture.
I don't know if I can manage to look those well (although I have very small feet) so I think it's just better to use pair of loli mary janes.

[Anonymous No.7736198]

>>7736188
It's more to do with the overall aesthetic of the coord rather than whether or not something's covered or long enough I think. Lolita for me is a great deal more frou-frou and detail-oriented while otome I feel has simpler design but looks relies on bolder prints and colour to catch your attention.

[Anonymous No.7736218]

>>7736020
No they're not? Just use Clobba, they have every color and size in stock..

[Anonymous No.7736266]

>>7736192
Generally, I think that flats look best with quality looking material and detail (especially bows), or as kind of a mini-boot, like these strappy ones here.
The ballet flats up here >>7736180 are made out of a canvas-y material and combined with the string bows make for a very casual and cheap look. Keep an eye out for how high up the shoe comes on your foot. I personally really dislike the look of toe cleavage. Find the sweet spot of what looks best on you. The shape of the toe box is very important too. There's square, round, rounded point, pointed, so on so forth. There are very structured shoes and loose baggy shoes. The shape and form effects the tone of the shoe. My personal favorite is a rounded point in a patent leather or suede. Not all flats are created equal.

[Anonymous No.7736276]

>>7736190
not that I know of, no.

[Anonymous No.7736278]

>>7736266
Oh, now I am more aware of what to do with flats.
Thank you for your time ! I really appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.7736283]

>>7736180
Didn't Melissa make an actual ballet "shoe". They're meant for streetwear and since it's Melissa it should be really comfortable too.

Noooo idea how expensive they are, though, since they can be all over the place pricewise.

[Anonymous No.7736286]

>>7736198
I think I see what you mean, seems I'd do better in otome then. Thank you!

[Anonymous No.7736292]

>>7736283
Whoops, just noticed I air-quoted the wrong word. It's a REAL shoe, not some kind of Schroedinger's shoe. Sorry

[Anonymous No.7736314]

>>7735966
A lot of people have been recommending The Floral Notebook here recently. I haven't bought anything from them, but their blouses looked really good.

[Anonymous No.7736852]

I just bought an AP necklace and a couple of rings from Japanese auctions and I'm thinking about which shipping option to choose, since I've never ordered anything this small before. I don't need it anytime soon at all, so I was considering Airmail or SAL, but are those options as extremely slow and unpredictable as they are for packages from China?

[Anonymous No.7736886]

>>7736283
They're priced 99 BRL (about 44 USD) in Brazil. No clue how much they go for abroad though.

[Anonymous No.7736897]

>>7736852
Airmail is pretty reliable in my experience. You can also get tracking tacked on for like ¥700 I think, which if the package is light enough, still ends up being cheaper than EMS.

[Anonymous No.7736912]

>>7736897
I'm using FromJapan, and their extra tracking for Airmail is something around 400yen. Not sure how heavy the package will be, but 200g ends up being around 300yen, so 700yen total. But then EMS is 1200 yen. Five bucks doesn't really seem like that big of a difference, so I might just get EMS.
>domestic shipping for these three things in the same package was 800yen
Wasn't expecting that.

[Anonymous No.7736914]

>>7736266
So the pink flats on the very far left would be acceptable for Lolita? Just making sure because there's a pair similar to that at Macy's right now and I was thinking of getting it.

[Anonymous No.7736921]

Maybe I'm just full retard tonight, but I can't seem to find any white/gold socks anywhere.
White and any other color is just fine but gold seems to be straight gone.
I'm not even being picky about pattern either.

Is white/gold just not seen as much as I imagine it is? I mean I always assumed it was a really common color scheme in lolita.

[Anonymous No.7736928]

>>7736912
When I get stuff from abroad, I nearly always go EMS. I'm one of those people who checks tracking constantly, so the speed is a plus. Usually the savings isn't enough to mate a real difference anyway, especially from Japan. Their EMS rates are pretty awesome.

My own question: How do you stop buying main pieces long enough to get accessories? I swore I wasn't going to buy any more main pieces until I bulked up my blouse and accessory collection, but then I went and bought a wishlist print. I'm falling into the trap.

[Anonymous No.7736932]

>>7736928
I always make plans of what I'm going to buy in a month, I like to plan out everything. Put back money and make a plan for one month (week, ect whenever you spend money or something) and ONLY use that money on accessories or a blouse. Give yourself rules

[Anonymous No.7736948]

>>7736928
I use a rewards system of sorts. I can only buy a main piece AFTER I buy a blouse and only if I have a headpiece that I know will go with it (if not I have to buy a headpiece as well).

[Anonymous No.7736958]

>>7736914
I'm a different anon but in my opinion, they're not appropriate. To me, ballet flats are only acceptable if they have something like an ankle strap/t-strap, structural details like the other shoes in that diagram have. Also I think I know which shoes you mean in particular (they're Jessica Simpson I think?) and they're really not at all lolita appropriate, they're sorta cheap looking tbh.

>>7736921
They're pretty common, they're just pretty popular too and tend to sell quickly.

[Anonymous No.7737023]

I want to buy a blouse from Atelier Boz but I don't believe they do overseas orders. I assume I just use a shopping service, but I'm unsure as to who I can use. Can anyone point me in the direction of a list of shopping services that will buy from Atelier Boz? My google fu is lacking apparently.

[Anonymous No.7737044]

>>7737023
Basically any Japanese SS will buy from the online shop. So FromJapan, ChibiTenshi, Japonica, TokyoPirates, ect will all be able to buy from them. Just follow their instructions for online shops rather than auctions.

Oh, and you have good taste. I really want a bunch more Boz pieces than I have.

[Anonymous No.7737071]

>>7735966
The floral notebook on Facebook make gorgeous chiffon blouses.

[Anonymous No.7737072]

>>7737044
Excellent! Thank you very much, anon.
Atelier Boz makes some seriously beautiful clothing. If I could, I would buy so many of their pieces.

[Anonymous No.7737106]

>>7737072
They really do! I have a Roland jacket and it fits me like a dream (except for the slightly too long sleeves but whatever). If the next piece from them I get fits as well I might have to sell my soul to buy more.

[Anonymous No.7737121]

>>7736266
Do you have a source on those three strap shoes please anon *A*!

[Anonymous No.7737318]

Is it possible to edit feedback you've submitted on Lacemarket without contacting a moderator first? It doesn't look like it, but I figured I'd ask here to be sure.

[Anonymous No.7737356]

>>7737318
Nah, but the mods have been really quick about fixing any mistakes I've made on feedback. Just tell them exactly what you need changed.

[Anonymous No.7737408]

Hello!
Could somebody deliver me picture with lolita with gun on it, that says "Hold right there! It's petticoat mafia!" or something like that? I'm looking for it for few days already but found nothing. It's bit a shame because it's pretty popular and early I've seen it lot of times but now it's like disappiared from the internet.
Thank you in advance.

[Anonymous No.7737649]

>>7736188
I have a question along these lines. Would it be possible for a coord to be both lolita and otome?

[Anonymous No.7737658]

>>7737649
I think so.
I mean, looking at OP, it has all of the technical requirements of lolita but the motifs and use of color/patterns suggest otome so I think it could go both ways. She'd probably get shit on more if she called it lolita for all of the "clashing", though.

[Anonymous No.7737661]

Not particularly lolita related, but I want to get into shironuri. What are the dos and don'ts?

[Anonymous No.7737705]

I need to buy some nice low heeled winter boots for sweet lolita. I wanted to order from Bodyline but someone told me they weren't suited for cold weather/snow. Are there any options besides clobba/brand ?

[Anonymous No.7737753]

not quite sure if it's lolita related, but I didn't want to make a separate thread.

does anybody here have experiences buying from dena-ec.com?

[Anonymous No.7737756]

>>7737705
Look at regular brands for loliable shoes...Fluevogs, hush puppies, hotter, etc.

[Anonymous No.7737768]

What do you guys do with excess corset lacing ribbon? I sometimes have to tighten it up significantly so I end up with lots of excess ribbon even after tying it into a big floppy bow. On one dress it the bow sits at my collarbone but the ribbon hangs down past my waist and on one of my blouses the ribbon hangs way below my knees.

Do you just cut it off? I don't really plan on reselling anything but just in case, I don't feel comfortable cutting into something that the next owner might need.

[Anonymous No.7737772]

>>7737768
I cut off excess ribbon. normally, ribbon is easily replaced, especially satin, but if you decide to sell it in the future, at least tell the buyer the ribbon had been cut

[Anonymous No.7737773]

>>7737753
oh nevermind, found the same stuff on rakuten

>>7737768
just cut it off.
it's not very hard to find a replacement straps if the next owner is going to need any.

[Anonymous No.7737774]

>>7737768
Remove, replace. I usually need a slightly shorter length of stronger ribbon anyway. I store originals with the fabric samples and re-lace before I have cleaned to sell.

[Anonymous No.7737779]

>>7737705

Dream V might have what you're looking for.

[Anonymous No.7737781]

anyone got news on the next ap release ?
and should i bother with the store or just go for a ss ??

[Anonymous No.7737803]

>>7737408

Have you tried searching the archive for lolita reaction/meme/funny pics threads?

[Anonymous No.7737807]

I didn't think OTT Classical was a thing

[Anonymous No.7737826]

>>7737807
Where have you been?

[Anonymous No.7737847]

>>7737807
Unfortunatley it looks even more retarded than OTT sweet.

[Anonymous No.7737855]

>>7737826
My rock had perfect wifi and a mini fridge so I saw no reason to leave

[Anonymous No.7737858]

What's up with this girl on lacemarket? It looks like she's advertising as a front to classical puppets. She says "custom sizing available for +$5", and her web shop describes it as "in stock".

[Anonymous No.7737869]

>>7737779
I've never bought from them. Everything's so cheap, are they really better than Bodyline ?

[Anonymous No.7737879]

>>7737858
She's running her own version of Qutieland/Clobba

[Anonymous No.7737886]

>>7737807
>Romantic Irony
Hmmmm...

[Anonymous No.7737904]

*Sigh*
Looks like Oo Jia got her grubby hands on Musee du Chocolat and CDC.

[Anonymous No.7737961]

>>7737106
if only they took better stock photos

[Anonymous No.7737969]

>>7737904
Who cares?
Her replicas don't look anything like the originals to anyone with an awareness for detail. And if it makes fatties, giraffes, and poorfags feel a bit happier for a bit then what's it to you?

[Anonymous No.7737980]

>>7737969
Yeah srsly AP sold all of their copies, so as far as hurting the brand goes they'll barely make a dent.

[Anonymous No.7737987]

>>7737969
>And if it makes fatties, giraffes, and poorfags feel a bit happier for a bit then what's it to you?
>makes fatties giraffes and poorfags feel a bit happier
>what's it to you?
I think you answered your own question, anon.


Also, you know, I have a huge issue with art theft of any kind. And don't tell me it's the same as pirating, no one profits off of music or movies they upload. Oojia and replicas are like someone buying a cd, recording the songs again from out of their speakers and then selling the CD of that.

You're an idiot and your thoughts are stupid.

[Anonymous No.7738008]

>>7737904
I can't believe this shit. How can people defend replicas when others are literally making replicas of items released not even months ago. How is that not art theft and all the rest that comes with it. It's frustrating to witness.

[Anonymous No.7738012]

>>7737661
do:
>wear white face paint
don't:
>break the law, injure people, be rude to people unneccesarily
generally, there aren't any "rules" but the makeup. it is a more macabre fashion than most jfashion though, so keep that in mind. many people combine it with lolita, dolly kei, or other styles, so go with whatever you like and prepare to be ott.

[Anonymous No.7738028]

>>7737987
What do you have against fatties, giraffes, and poorfags man? That aside I completely agree. Besides, to newcomers it's going to be harder to tell the real deals apart from the replicas and the inferior quality of the latter does harm the brand's image (especially when you have people who insist their replicas are legit brand).

Also for the price of a replica you could easily get taobao pieces of superior quality.

[Anonymous No.7738035]

>>7737987
>I think you answered your own question, anon.
So....you hate tall, fat, and poor girls? Gee.

>I have a huge issue with art theft of any kind
Yeah, what the fuck ever, I bet if we searched your abode we'd find plenty of trickle-down knockoffs of all kinds of different shit.
>implying pirating isn't as morally bad
Uh no. Stop enabling yourself if you're going to be the morality police.

[Anonymous No.7738057]

>>7738028
Other than giraffes, which I somewhat understand(I'm fairly tall and I either suck it up and buy a longer dress or use the piece in a non-lolita way.

Either way, I'm a firm believer that people have too much entitlement, which is the only reason that these replicas exist, the same for normalfag replicas.

Tell me it's supply and demand or whatever, make all the excuses, but it's just bratty entitlement.

>fatties
Can't deal with the fact that the dresses won't fit them, they -need- them so they resort to getting a knockoff, and then scream till they're hoarse in the face about how they deserve it like everyone else, no one deserves shit like that, especially at the cost of someone else's work.

>poorfags
Similar to fatties, but more deplorable, it's just a matter of being stingy and cheap. "Oh, they're not worth $200 I deserve them for cheaper!" Who are they to say how much something is worth, if they don't want to pay the price they should look elsewhere, but acting as if it's their 'right' to wear the dress is just ridiculous.

All replicafags pretty much act this way, and I can't think of any other reasons people would buy replicas other than their entitlement.

I don't feel entitled to shit, if it don't fit I don't get buttmad about it because it's just a damn dress, it's not important.

[Anonymous No.7738061]

>>7738057
>have too much entitlement, which is the only reason that these replicas exist
>entitlement
Oh no, you're one of -those- people who doesn't know what that word means.

[Anonymous No.7738063]

>>7738035
Read my post here. >>7738035

I'm not going to even acknowledge your accusations.

[Anonymous No.7738068]

>>7738061
>the fact of having a right to something.
Is there something I am missing here? There is no 'right' to having a dress, it is not a necessity it's a piece of fabric.

[Anonymous No.7738072]

>>7738057
>Can't deal with the fact that the dresses won't fit them
Except many do.
They either alter their brand or buy two pieces and fashion them together. Or they wait for releases with dress measurements that can accommodate them.
Is a person who does all that suddenly "entitled" because they own one replica?

>"Oh, they're not worth $200 I deserve them for cheaper!"
Where does anyone say this?
A seller like Oo Jia sees a market that brands have NOT capitalized on (ie plus sizes and cheaper pieces) and buyers see her product and go with the better seller.

You seem to be pretty buttmad over these 'damn unimportant' dresses.

[Anonymous No.7738081]

>>7738057
Honestly I find the entitlement argument to be much more persuasive than the art theft one. I'm morally against art theft and all that jazz, but using the art theft argument almost always sets us down a slippery slope of what constitutes art theft and then the thread gets derailed.

Also, as a fellow giraffe (which is probably why the post initially rubbed me the wrong way, sorry), can I ask if you have any recommendations for places to look for longer pieces? IW bodice cuts don't suit me and I'm getting sick of BABY's 100 cm pieces.

[Anonymous No.7738085]

>>7738057
I think you sound entitled.
>other people can't have the things I have!

But really, knockoffs and the original thing are two entirely different items and cater to different audiences. Also, I find that knockoffs seem to increase the popularity of an item. With so many replicas, owners of a rare/hard to find original item become even more envied/admired.

[Anonymous No.7738088]

>>7738072
Seems to me anon is picking on a specific niche of people (replica-chans) but instead assigns all of the negative characteristics of a real replica-chan to anyone who may own one or two replicas for a more reasonable excuse.
Imo there aren't many true replica chans, at least the ones who only support replicas and openly put down brand, and this is a pretty moot issue.

[Anonymous No.7738093]

>>7738072
>Is a person who does all that suddenly "entitled" because they own one replica?
Well yeah, because they could've just frankensteined two pieces of the brand dress they owned instead of buying a replica? You pretty much just wrote down a way for fatty replicafags to stop being replicafags.

[Anonymous No.7738095]

>>7738008

That is why I posted this.
These prints are barely out of the stores and they're already replicating it, the audacity of it!

>>7737969
Many of us care, a lot of Lolitas don't support art theft.
The designers worked hard to create nice little details in these prints.
What if you were a songwriter and someone stole your lyrics, would you just sit back and let them walk all over you? Theft is immoral.
I have nothing against plus sized, tall and low budget ladies & men, but they can get Taobao and Indy Brand, or custom commissioned pieces that don't involve theft.
Having the latest popular print is not a god given right nor requirement. It's this sense of entitlement coming from replica buying people that I just can't stand.
Being poor is not a valid excuse either, you can buy custom sized non-replica items that look better and cost less than Oo Jia's rip-offs.

>>7737980
That's a bullshit excuse and you know it.

[Anonymous No.7738109]

>>7738095
I have a hard time to consider the art theft argument simply because the replicas are often so bad it barely seems like the same art at all.

[Anonymous No.7738122]

>>7737807
this looks more dolly kei to me than (classic) lolita

[Anonymous No.7738133]

>>7738095
And we know you hate fatties and poorfags and just use art theft as a bullshit excuse to shit on them more.
Because, you know, average girls who can fit brand surely don't own replicas. Not.
>>7738093
>because they could've just frankensteined two pieces of the brand dress they owned instead of buying a replica?

>implying you could ever reasonably do this with popular prints like Iron Gate or Twinkle Journey
Yeah, and then after you blow an unreasonable amount of money if you can somehow manage to get two of the same colorways, the whole online community would have your ass for taking 'their' brand.

You know it's an unreasonable expectation. And I BETTER not hear some arrogant bitch say to my face that all of my real brand that I bought directly in store doesn't count for shit suddenly because I own one replica from Oo Jia that I don't even wear anymore.

[Anonymous No.7738145]

>>7737803
Uh, I'm quite new here and doesn't know well how should such threads looked like and where to look for them, so I would appreciate if you give me advice. I've though I've been googled for "lolita meme" in various combinations.

[Anonymous No.7738148]

The reason I hate replicas is that as a fatty who won't buy them, I know I would have so many more options if not for the fact that so many other lazier fatties are happy to buy them. It also bugs me that people will complain about how AP won't cater to them, thus brands are the worst thing in the world, yet they'd rather have fake brand than some original print.

[Anonymous No.7738149]

>>7738145
> I've though I've been
Though I've been

*quickfix*

[Anonymous No.7738161]

>>7738133

Woah you sure got butthurt real fast.

Who is "we" and how would you know if I hate plus sized people and people with lower income? Your ignoramus is showing.

[Anonymous No.7738166]

>>7738133

>Poor jellyfat detected

[Anonymous No.7738178]

>>7738148

Original prints can be so nice, just look at Infanta and Chess Story.
Their XL jsks with shirring go quite large (100cm bust or more) and accommodates many plus sized Lolitas.

[Anonymous No.7738269]

>>7738133
Or you could you know, not own the print? There's absolutely no reason you HAVE to own a print because that's just being entitled and bratty. Brands don't exist to cater to you, and wearing Iron Gate or Twinkle Journey is not a birthright. Also you were the one who suggested frankensteining them in the first place.

And stop acting like it's brand or bust. There are so many more options for body variant lolitas now with taobao and custom sizing that there really isn't that much of a need for them anymore except to cater to those who must have a certain print but won't put in the effort to find it/make it/whatever.

Also a lot of girls who fit into brand sizing, and a lot of girls who don't too, don't own replicas.

[Anonymous No.7738333]

Do you guys know if Rabbit Heart still sells skirts? Everything on her page says Sold Out or Coming Soon.

[Anonymous No.7738338]

>>7738072
>Where does anyone say this?
Some bitch recently sperged out over LM having dresses for sale over $100. Even other than that, girls all the time want to spend $40 on a second hand brand dress on sales comms. Do you live under a rock?

[Anonymous No.7738340]

I'm looking to get Sweet Girl Room, its going to be my first new release and I've emailed chibi tenshi about it but if she is full, what other SS's would you guys recommend? I know that Tokyo Pirates is on hiatus, she would have been my first choice.

[Anonymous No.7738363]

>>7738072
Wait a second...
>I've never seen girls want to pay less for dresses
>oojia capitalizes on people who want to pay less for dresses

Are you an idiot?

>>7738085

Listen, both of you, there are tons of options already for other people to buy cheaper dresses, custom sizes and the like.

It's not about people wanting custom sizes, or cheaper items, it's about them wanting a specific thing that exists already to exist in a way they want it to regardless of how it happens.

It's not about the moral reasons against art theft, hating fatties or anything like the OP mentioned.

Copyright and the like exist for a reason though, to prevent people from capitalizing off of other peoples' creations, plain and simple. It also in turn creates diversity by forcing competition to be imaginative in order to keep up with other opposing companies. If you allow things like knockoffs and bootlegs to exist it tells people that uniqueness and creativity isn't important, and all that matters is allowing enough people to jump on the flavor of the month bandwagon. Now sure sure, capitalism, profit, fuck individuality, consumerism whatever, but all of that is achievable by creating your own product.

[Anonymous No.7738366]

>>7738072
>a market that brands have NOT capitalized on (ie plus sizes and cheaper pieces)
Yes, because big brands with many storefronts and employees to pay can sell their dresses for the same prices as a little workshop in China.

[Anonymous No.7738369]

>>7737987
>And don't tell me it's the same as pirating, no one profits off of music or movies they upload.
Money is still being lost there. People who may have actually bought the music or movies don't have to because it's so easy to just download them, whereas at least brands usually are already sold out of the items being replicated and they made their profit. If you're going to set your base on a higher 'moral ground' at least don't skimp out on that shit.

I don't like replica either, but arguments like this are so flat and biased. It's not about the "art" to you, it's the potential prospect that the resale value of your item will lower, you think the appeal of your real dress will lower if the girl next to you is wearing the cheap knockoff, and you don't think their pride is warranted because they didn't pay as much as you did. These are the exact reasons I don't support replica, but I don't pull a Tumblr and go screaming "the arts!!!" to have an easy morality net to fall back on to justify your rage.

[Anonymous No.7738374]

>>7738369
Not that anon but I'll say something. It has nothing to do with resale value to me, and everything to do with the art aspect, since I've actually had my art stolen before and thrown onto taobao shit. China thinks it can just do whatever it wants and they need to fucking stop it.

Also, the argument is still valid, a replica is a bootleg, it isn't a pirate. I'd be perfectly fine pirating dresses since no one makes money off of it. Letting shitty chinese bootlegging trash make money from someone else's stuff is shittier than costing just getting stuff for free.

[Anonymous No.7738378]

>>7738269
Not the person you are responding to, but I don't get the whole "you are not entitled to buy replicas". I don't get it. Since it's your money you are entitled to buy whatever you want with it and that's the same for everyone.

I also don't get the other side of your argument. "Brands don't exist to cater to you, and wearing Iron Gate or Twinkle Journey is not a birthright." Of course, it isn't a birthright nor brands are supposed to cater to you. This is why you have replica-chans that specifically cater to you.

I think that the argument which speaks to me the most is morality. If you love the dress so much, then buy the original one. Show the support for the fashion.

[Anonymous No.7738390]

>>7738369
I think it's wrong to assume that people who download movies/games/other shit would have bought it, were it banned. (It is, but let's say they wouldn't be able to do it).

And I'll just say that from my observations pirating things may actually help the original. I don't want to debate it any more, but I'll leave a video where Neil Gaiman explains how illegal download of his books boosted his sales.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI

[Anonymous No.7738395]

>>7738378
Well the entitlement comes from what I was saying, in that girls don't want to accept that the brand isn't going to make things for them. So instead of caring about the item and where it came from, they care more about the fact that it wasn't made to cater to them in the first place, and the want for the item outweighs their ability to accept that it doesn't exist how they desire. This is why the bootlegs exist.

I also think you're misinterpreting the idea behind the entitlement. Entitlement just means someone's right to something.In this case it's not referring to their right to purchase replicas but their to justify their 'need' to have things exist just for them, when no one owes that to them.

[Anonymous No.7738397]

>>7738390
Pirating is not bootlegging because even with pirating the original creator is the only one to receive any profit. It is less profit, but no one else receives it but them.

[Anonymous No.7738402]

>>7738378
It's not about being entitled to buy replicas, it's about being entitled to wear xyz print. The anon i responded to sounds like she feels she has the right to wear a print, so buying a replica is a justified means of achieving that end. Sure you're entitled to buy whatever you want with your own money, but on a moral level you're still a piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.7738406]

>>7738395
Sure, no one owes that to them. But if there is someone who provides it to them and they are willing to pay for it then I don't see where is the problem.

Maybe I am misinterpreting, though. I see entitlement as something "give it to me, I deserve it, but I'm not going to pay for it". Like the socialists will go and say "I am entitled to free ~~" and so on.

[Anonymous No.7738412]

>>7738397
Well, I wasn't talking about bootlegging, only pirating.

But, playing the devils advocate, wouldn't cheap replicas actually promote the fashion more, since they are more accessible? I have also noticed, that with time, people tend to move from replicas to the brand. So, in the long run, they may even profit from it?

[Anonymous No.7738415]

>>7738406
As far as the first part goes, it creates a cycle of consumption. Selfish people demanding things be made for them, rather than accepting things are made of a market they're not part of. Companies abuse their selfishness in order to make a profit. In turn people use this to rationalize and justify their own greedy and selfish behavior. And then people use the entire cycle to justify people who own them, saying how 'it's just economics' yes but since when is only the fact that something occurs made it acceptable or in this case legal?

It's unjustifiable selfishness in the part of everyone involved, and I know they're a company but the buyers aren't they're selfish brats who want everything to revolve around them rather than just accepting the fact that not everything is made for them.

[Anonymous No.7738420]

>>7738412
People usually move from replicas because they're shamed into doing so. Even if they do mature over time I don't think promoting the fashion is worth letting shitty companies prosper.

[Anonymous No.7738427]

>>7738406
I forgot the second part.

I think that the 'socialist' usage of the word refers to the idea that socialists are trying to convey. That a society is better off as a collective, essentially, and that people should use their own gains to make sure others are suffering. Entitlement to them is just taking humanity to a new level of empathetic unity and compassion for everyone, like a big giant family. Which is of course silly and impossible.

[Anonymous No.7738433]

>>7738412
This is making the assumption that replica-chans will stay in lolita long enough to make the transition. Some will be pressured into buying brand eventually a la >>7738420, but a lot of the time they ragequit because they think everyone's being mean elitist brandwhore bitches (which in their defense is often true about the bitch part) or the replica even harder.

Also in regards to replicas "promoting" the brands, it's very much a double-edged sword. Yes the prints get more exposure and more people hear about Angelic Pretty and their cute prints, but not everybody hears that the dress they saw was not in fact Angelic Pretty but rather a replica and the quality of the real thing is much better than the replica. To newcomers and outsiders, replicas aren't as easy to spot and they may mistake it for the real thing and get the impression that brand items are of the same quality as replicas.

[Anonymous No.7738434]

>>7737803
bump

[Anonymous No.7738440]

>>7737408
bump

[Anonymous No.7738441]

>>7738434
>>7738440
Cut that shit out. Your post isn't being ignored, no one has that photo. I've been on cgl for years and not seen the photo you described. Stop bumping an active thread for your /r/

[Anonymous No.7738444]

>>7738434
I wouldn't usually respond to this but seeing as Lolita General has become Replica Debate General, have Midori with a gun.

[Anonymous No.7738454]

>>7735365
I like mine, but I also got two pairs of tea party-styled shoes with the thinner/less chunky heel option. I'm surprised everyone is saying they're bad quality; my antaina's scuff way less than my bodyline shoes, and they've held up well given how often I've worn them. Both of mine are matte, if that makes any difference.

[Anonymous No.7738470]

>>7738441
That's not photo, it's drawing. And pretty popular.

[Anonymous No.7738471]

>>7738415
I actually disagree about the "unjustifable selfishness". Not about the replica market, but economy in general. Many things were only produced for elites and were only accessible for them until industrial revolution hit and things got mass produced.

I'm sorry I just didn't like that you said "people should just accept things are made of a market they're not part of". If that were the case, we would still live in a world where most goods were accessible to the richest class.

Well, I strayed a lot from the replica debate so I quess I'll take a sleep and rethink it. Thank you for your posts.

>>7738433
I just observed that people do tend to move onto brand. Even Peachie finally got her first brand.

And for the second part. I don't think that newbies pay that much attention to quality. They probably wouldn't even notice. When they lurk, they will see the difference.

[Anonymous No.7738479]

>>7738433
This. The first time I saw Sugary Carnival it was a really, really bad replica, which I didn't know at the time because the girl just claimed she was wearing AP. It looked so bad that it turned me off from AP for quite a while (basically until a few months later when I found out it was just a shoddy replica), and that print is still ruined for me, because every time I see it I just think of that hideous dress.

[Anonymous No.7738482]

>>7737807
this is taking OTT to a new level of ridiculous. whats next?

[Anonymous No.7738484]

>>7738471
We're not saying that people should accept it, we're saying that there are other avenues of getting what you want and close alternatives. If you really want a print, you could buy two dresses and sew them together, or you could drum up enough potential consumers and appeal to the brands themselves to get them to release clothing in larger sizes. We've already seen a gradual shift to larger sizes in brands so while it may be a slow process it isn't impossible.

[Anonymous No.7738514]

>>7738484
>other avenues of getting what you want
Okay, only if you can accept that some people have to put in more money and effort than you and it probably makes them better, since buying two brand dresses and sewing them together requires more money and time.
Some lolitas are less lazy than others.

[Anonymous No.7738524]

>>7738471
>Many things were only produced for elites and were only accessible for them until industrial revolution hit and things got mass produced.


This is entirely not even a similar situation. Lolita dresses in general are available in sizes and prices for all people, just, all of them are not.

In this day and age, every type product is available to everyone from electronics to food, you can get an equitable thing from every price tier. Just because not every person can afford every item doesn't mean they can't afford a similar kind. But the selfish 'need' to get an item out of your price range, and scorn items in your price range is just childish consumption.

[Anonymous No.7738548]

>>7738514
I am more than willing to accept that. If you love a piece enough to spend the time and money to make it look good on you then that deserves respect. I'm a tall-chan who loves a lot of prints but can't be arsed to do anything about the length deficit so I look up to people who do that.

[Anonymous No.7738553]

>>7738514
I am more than willing to accept that. If you love a piece enough to spend the time and money to make it look good on you then that deserves respect. I'm a tall-chan who loves a lot of prints but can't be arsed to do anything about the length deficit so I look up to people who do that.

Lolita fashion was never equal opportunity to begin with.

[Anonymous No.7738555]

>>7738514
I can definitely accept that. Similarly people who think that fatties shouldn't wear brand even if they're supporting it by 'wasting' dresses are a fucking menace just as much as these pro-bootleg fags.

[Anonymous No.7738557]

>>7738555
The concept of wasting a dress is stupid, but I do think that fatties shouldn't be wearing brand if said brand doesn't actually fit them properly.

[Anonymous No.7738563]

>>7738557
I more meant sewing them together, I don't think anyone should wear things that clearly don't fit, but people get mad that 'some whale took 2 dresses' like they're sacred or something.

Honestly lolita is full of a lot of really elitist, really ignorant people who feed right into a really warped capitalism and think that whatever they want should be theirs.

[Anonymous No.7738567]

>>7738563
Luckily whales rarely ever do that. Or rather unluckily because at least that would stop with all the replica debates and we could begin working on making brand pieces less sacred because the fetishism of it is really creepy.

[Anonymous No.7738601]

Does anyone know what blouse this is? It looks like it's AP if that's the tag sticking out, but I'm still going through lolibrary looking for it.

[Anonymous No.7738611]

>>7738567
>the fetishism of it is really creepy.
It really is.

Both anti and pro-bootleggers think that though which is really kind of funny. Pros feel that way about the dress itself, and antis feel it about the brand itself.

Both of them fall into these weird megalomaniac superiority complexes.
>I bought the REAL dress, stupid pro bootlegfags with their knockoff chinese garbage!
vs
>I bought a fairly priced dress from a company that doesn't size discriminate, stupid anti bootlegfags with their elitism and brandwhoring!

Like with many things like this, they're just the same arguement on opposite ends of the spectrum.

[Anonymous No.7738624]

>>7738611
This happens in any hobby where collecting is big, though. In my experience, lolitas are nowhere as bad as people into sneakers, certain bands' merch, or limited figurines.
Hell, my weirdo uncle is a train person, and man, are his friends fucking weird about their model trains and how everyone else's model trains are set up, and most of those aren't even limited sets.

[Anonymous No.7738713]

>>7737661
Seal. Seal. Seal.

[Anonymous No.7738871]

>>7738713
Why would you need to seal your face? Just don't fucking touch it.

[Anonymous No.7738956]

>>7738871
Hair could stick to it, plus it's hard to not touch it. Less disgusting too. Al you need is some baby powder and hairspray, not sealing is fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.7738960]

>>7737779
Different anon but really DreamV is good for shoes? I bought only clothing from here and i was always disappoionted so i had to sell them (fabric was 100% low quality polyester and get piling after the first use, coats use a low quality fleece rather than a polyester good quality fabric similar to wool).

[Anonymous No.7739010]

If a buyer buys an item and it doesn't fit, you're not obligated to refund them, right?

[Anonymous No.7739013]

>>7739010
Depends. If you listed measurements accurately and she was just all "lol yeah I'll fit that" and then doesn't, you're not accountable. But if your measurements were off, she can open an item not as described case with PayPal. If you didn't disclose anything about size, she probably still could open a case, but she'd be a bitch for doing so, since it's pretty easy to look up measurements of these types of items through Google.

[Anonymous No.7739014]

>>7739010
Right. It's their fault for not asking/checking measurements

[Anonymous No.7739104]

>>7737408
I think I know which one you mean, it's by missus-ruin on tumblr but idk if the original source is there or if she made it for a thread here (she lurks cgl)

[Anonymous No.7739107]

I'm new as fuck to lolita.
What would look best on a wider-frame girl? (Blouse+skirt, OP, jumperskirt) I don't mean fat, just a wide-ish ribcage and shoulders. I love some skirts, but I'm a bit worried about how blouses will look on me, same with certain dresses.

[Anonymous No.7739109]

>>7738956
Why wouldn't you just set it with powder? Putting hairspray on your face is a horrible idea.

[Anonymous No.7739112]

>>7738960
I like all of the shoes I've gotten from the them. The fit is nice and they've held up after a few years. I like my bodyline ones too, though. I'd say they're pretty equal.

[Anonymous No.7739118]

>>7739104
you mean this >>7735587

[Anonymous No.7739122]

>>7737858
Nanajun has been around for a while, as others said she's basically like a smaller Clobba

[Anonymous No.7739125]

>>7739107
Avoid poofy/cap sleeves at all costs, that includes blouses and OPs that have sleeves like these. As long as the sleeves don't poof at the shoulders, you're good.
I also personally try to avoid high collared blouses, because of wide shoulders.
And if your ribcage is wide as well, I'd say avoid babydoll cut and muumuu cut dresses.

[Anonymous No.7739132]

>>7739118
Oh, yeah my bad. I thought she did a petti police/mafia one as well?

[Anonymous No.7739155]

>>7739125
Seconding this, however, I think high-collared shirts are okay so long as your jsk creates a good visual break between the blouse's collar and the shoulders/arms.
I don't wear skirts, either, as they're really unflattering on my rectangle body, but I'm also pretty short, so maybe that has something to do with it.

[Anonymous No.7739343]

Does Antique Beast only ship through EMS?
Is it possible to ask them to use Registered Airmail? EMS *always* get taxed by my country's customs. *Always*.

[Anonymous No.7739455]

>>7735210
Question: Is it legal on LSE to PM a person with 'trade' pictures that aren't of their brand, or should it be considered shady behavior that should be reported to a mod?
Also if anyone has any stories concerning the person in pic related, feel free to share.

It happened like this:
>pic related asks me if I want to trade on my DA listing on LSE
>politely say I wasn't looking for a trade but I will consider
>PMs me with a pic of a Maxicimam abortion dress
>politely decline
>two days later
>re-list
>same person appears and insists they have more dresses to trade this time
>politely agree again, y'know, give people a chance
>sends three pictures of AP's Candy Treat, Freshly Picked Strawberries, and what appears to be a possible replica of Sugar Hearts
>get psyched at the Strawberries print
>realize something is off about trade photos
>two are facing backward and all different cameras/lighting
>......
>lol oh hell no
>reverse image search
>Freshly Picked
>http://egl-comm-sales.livejournal.com/22919785.html
>sold
>Treats
http://egl-comm-sales.livejournal.com/21326911.html
>Australian seller

I couldn't find a matching result for the Sugar Hearts replica(?), but even the first trade offer she sent of the Maxicimam dress wasn't hers, it was a won auction on lacemarket.

So I shot this person a message back asking them to explain why at least two of those photos were from old sales posts, and I never got a response and they've seen it.

Report? Y/N

[Anonymous No.7739469]

>>7739455
Yeah, shady as fuck. Report that shit.

[Anonymous No.7739485]

>>7739469
Will do!

[Anonymous No.7739498]

>>7739485
I like your use of your pic related, anon. And the nostalgia.
>Neostalgia

[Anonymous No.7739499]

>>7739485
I love you for this post.

[Anonymous No.7739564]

Is anybody shopping the AP sale

[Anonymous No.7739577]

>>7737661

I've only ever seen cgl accept Minori as the only person doing shironuri right, and either nitpick or shit on every other girl trying it. So if you're going to look for examples, pick Minori, and nitpick the things you should not do from everybody else, I guess.

About the white facepaint, there was some debate on the type to use. Gropey the tripfag has some recommendations on what kind of greasepaint (basically, the white stuff clowns put on their face), either search the archives for his name, or you can try the larp threads and see if he's in there. The other one, some anon says is superior to everything else is the kind of facepaint geishas and kabuki actors use, appparently because it's a tried and tested product from generations of geishas and kabuki actors. This is 4chan though, so take it with a grain of salt.

Only styling advice I have personally is to try and avoid showing your skin -- wear high collars, opaque tights/long clothes, and gloves. You lose the the near-uncanny-valley effect when people can see where your facepaint ends and your real skin begins.

[Anonymous No.7739581]

>>7739564

I just checked out with a bunch of things. The site sold out of the floral onepiece before I managed to check out though, and I ended up paying shipping fee because of it (I should have added something else back, but then I'm sure something else in my cart would be sold out, so I just checked out asap)

[Anonymous No.7739593]

>>7739564
Everything I wanted is already sold out, so no

[Anonymous No.7739596]

>>7739564
I got a melty moon bag

[Anonymous No.7739597]

>>7739581
You shopping through an SS or getting it mailed straight to you?

[Anonymous No.7739603]

>>7739455
This is definitely a trade scam. She tried to do the same thing to me.

[Anonymous No.7739636]

Question: are flats really that bad?
I've had shit luck ordering mary janes online (sending back a pair that apparently runs small tomorrow) and hate the black soles of BL shoes. i'm ripping my hair out over here and seriously considering just getting some white ones with the bows on them.
I want off this ride

[Anonymous No.7739639]

>>7739597

Tenso.

[Anonymous No.7739644]

>>7739564
I got magical etoile in red I'm so hyped, I've wanted it for ages.

[Anonymous No.7739661]

>>7739636

They have a tendency to look disproportionately small under a poofy lolita skirt. I have a flats, but whenever I try to coord them I usually end up switching them out for chunkier shoes because they look weird.

Aren't there brick and mortar shoe stores where you live? Take the waist tie of your dress with you (or whatever you want to match it to), and go look for matching shoes; as long as they are chunkier than ballet flats, you just need to find a pair in a colour you can work around. At worst, buy a pair of plain pumps, you can dress them up by tying ribbons around your feet and adding anklets, or hotgluing things to it (like pic related; it's from JetJ by the way). Yes, this works for sweet lolita as well, just make sure you match the colours well and the shoes are "big" enough that they don't look weird when you wear a fully poofy lolita skirt.

[Anonymous No.7739670]

>>7739564
used tenso for the first time so i hope everything works out. just got the dot cute bag in pink since i'm thinking of getting sugar hearts in white. figured they'd go together nicely. and for only $50 for a new brand purse, how could i say no?

[Anonymous No.7739690]

>>7739661
I live in the US, Houston to be exact. I'm going to go poking around in brick and mortar stores pretty soon. My feet arent even that big, i'm a size 7.
Any houston lolis wanna help a sister out on good places for loliable flat shoes?
I'm planning on scoping out DSW, Payless and a Goodwill.

[Anonymous No.7739708]

Do you guys ever try on clothes in stores while in lolita? I'm trying to convince myself to wear lolita to the mall tomorrow, but I'm imagining it'd be such a pain in the ass to try on anything.

[Anonymous No.7739716]

>>7739708
I do it sometimes, it's not that much of a pain, really, unless the dressing room's super tiny.

[Anonymous No.7739722]

>>7739708
Yeah, it depends on your mood and the store
if you want to grab a lot of things to try on at once it's worth it
If you dress appropriately it's worth it, like if you wear a cutsew or something with an easily removeable headbow it's not as hard to to try on a shirt.
You can dress carefully, just think about it anon

[Anonymous No.7739726]

>>7739708

If I know I'm going clothes shopping I prefer to wear a cutsew, a simple skirt and strapless bra. It allows me to try on any kind of clothes without having to imagine what a strapless dress would look like without my bra straps or what a blouse would look like with a skirt, for instance.

Most of my skirts and cutsews end up being from lolita brands because they're comfy and AP skirts have pockets, but I usually skip the petticoat and makeup. I think some of my shopping mall outfits might qualify as casual lolita, but I wouldn't bother wearing a full lolita outfit to the mall. Wearing makeup is a little annoying if you're trying on many dresses, and if you're not wearing any, you might look a little "off" in a full-on lolita outfit.

[Anonymous No.7739763]

>>7739708
I wear lolita to the mall to keep myself from buying any clothes because it's such a pain. It's not a bad idea though if you are looking for loliable pieces.

[Anonymous No.7739780]

>>7739455
someone should report her to her comm

[Anonymous No.7739790]

So I'm trying to use my te so address to shop on angelic pretty site but my name in katakana is not being accepted. What am I doing wrong?

[Anonymous No.7739795]

>>7739708
Yeah personally I don't like changing out of lolita so I actually feel the same way as >>7739763

[Anonymous No.7739802]

>>7739780
I checked their facebook and they don't look like they wear lolita anything. Why the fuck isn't this person banned yet?
Fucking lying obeseweeb.

[Anonymous No.7739812]

>>7738269
your arguments kinda flawed there though

like yeah no one's entitled to twinkle journey but if there's a passable copy for a fraction of the price someone is going to get on it no matter what unfortunately

[Anonymous No.7739850]

How much stretch does do cut sews have in them?

[Anonymous No.7739853]

>>7739790
You may have an extra space in there or something, and you should be using a ・to separate your first and last name (not a space).

[Anonymous No.7739854]

>>7739850
If you have to ask, not enough.

[Anonymous No.7739857]

>>7739854
fark.

[Anonymous No.7739863]

>>7739455

Yes, report her! She's obviously a scammer.

[Anonymous No.7739865]

>>7739812

Just because they can, doesn't mean we have to approve or encourage it.

[Anonymous No.7739870]

>>7739455
She asked me about the size of a pair of shoes in my proof photo after I clearly stated that only the JSK was for sale, lol. I'll bet English isn't her first language, considering some of these other posts of hers too. Definitely a scam, she's asking for item sizes and trades on a ton of different posts and it looks like she's using more (stolen) photos of different dresses too.

[Anonymous No.7739882]

>>7739564
This is all stuff I've wanted off the site for a while now. Thank god nothing in black was sold out.

[Anonymous No.7739890]

>>7739882
I wasn't shopping for black stuff in particular but I caught myself thinking "Man, people with more black in their wardrobe are probably having a fit right now lol".
I ordered that ring and bracelet in sax as well as the Dot Cute ribbon shoulder bag in pink, I'm glad I was accidentally passed out on the couch when the sale started, I would've been tempted to order a lot more stuff. Kinda pissed I missed out on the MRC parka though, but oh well. Maybe I'll be able to grab it secondhand.

[Anonymous No.7739895]

>>7739455
I saw her posting in the lolita mentoring group, so I would guess she is interested in wearing it but that shit is shady as fuck. Report her

[Anonymous No.7739919]

Just curious, but has anyone ever cosplayed or seen someone cosplayed as Rory Mercury?

[Anonymous No.7739934]

>>7739919
Wrong thread?

[Anonymous No.7739968]

>>7739564
Yup! It was my first time buying via tenso, so I hope I didn't fuck up. I was eyeing these things for some time now, though the new site kinda scared me away at first.

[Anonymous No.7740011]

How the fuck do you buy from BTSSB

I wanna order some stuff from the sale, says here Outlet items cant be ordered. San Fran website says they dont do orders either

http://www.babyssb.co.jp/overseas/the-method-of-a-mail-order/

I just want to try buying burando fresn n new

[Anonymous No.7740017]

>>7740011

Just use the shopping cart.

[Anonymous No.7740024]

>>7739968
Aaw, cute jewelry!

[Anonymous No.7740281]

Has anyone ever handwashed Jane Marple's cutsew pieces? I have one of their cutsew-type printed OPs that needs washing, and I'm wondering if trying to handwash it in ice water is worth the risk, since it says dry clean only.

[Anonymous No.7740420]

>>7739853
It ended up being auto fill that caused me problems. I managed at snagged these items. I'd been eyeing the tote bags for a while, so it's nice to get them half off.

[Anonymous No.7740429]

How's Antaia's quality? I'm in the midst of ordering a pair of shoes from them.

[Anonymous No.7740433]

>want to save up and get my first brand new burando piece
>nowhere has anything that I like right now

[Anonymous No.7740438]

>>7739112
About the sizes instead? They are true to size or hit and miss??

[Anonymous No.7740450]

>>7740429
This question was kind of touched on earlier in the thread, but anyways:
I like my antaina's more than my bodyline shoes (which have scuffed more and been less consistent size-wise in my experience) but less than my secret shop replicas.

[Anonymous No.7740456]

>>7740450
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't even look (obviously.) Will definitely check next time.

[Anonymous No.7740460]

>>7739708
Yeah, every so often, but it can be a pain. Between funny looks from salespeople and the myriad layers, sometimes I regret not wearing "regular" clothing. I'm really used to odd looks out on the street, but it's a little different when I'm going into a shop that sells vastly different clothing from what I'm wearing that day.

[Anonymous No.7740468]

>>7739850
Somewhere in between a sweatshirt and an average t-shirt. It depends on the brand, the thickness of the cloth, and the type of fabric used. I don't recommend trying to push the max measurements too much, either way.

[Anonymous No.7740591]

Any opinions on F+F's new series, 10 O'Clock Cinderella? Seems like their designs have been slowly improving.

[Anonymous No.7740744]

>>7740591
I love the light jsk, might get it and the hat when I have more money.

[Anonymous No.7740829]

Question about ordering from Japonica? I placed a down payment for an Mbok item, thy bid, I won for about 1000 yen less than my payment. They sent me an email when the auction ended I assumed to let me know that I won, and I assumed they would send me more info once they received the item from the seller.

But it's been a week since that email was sent and I haven't gotten another email about how they received it, or any extra shipping fee I need to pay. I'm worried that I may have misread the email (even though I've read it several times now) and I'm supposed to do something? But I can't see any indicator that I am. Am I just being too hasty, does it normally take this long? It's not like I bought anything extravagant that should take ages to arrive... This is just my first Mbok order and I have no idea what I'm doing.

[Anonymous No.7740843]

Made an IW order almost 2 weeks ago and still no invoice. Thought response would be faster since the sale was awhile ago.. Should I send a reminder yet?

[Anonymous No.7740844]

>>7740829
They'll send you an email with the shipping fee once they get it. It's possible the seller is taking a while to ship. I'd wait a bit more and then email them asking about it. They'll hold things for like 30 days, so you should be safe if it arrived and you misread an email.

[Anonymous No.7740859]

>>7740829
Seconding >>7740844 I ordered 3 things using Japonica. First two they e-mailed me about within like 4 days, the last item took over a week to get to them so I didn't hear from them for a while. If you have questions, though, they're pretty good about communication

[Anonymous No.7740952]

>>7739499
>>7739498
>>7739485
I still kind of want a Baby Usul ;w;

[Anonymous No.7741014]

>>7740591
I sort of like it but it really reminds me of a Haenuli print. Has that vectored cliparty look.

[Anonymous No.7741024]

>>7740952
I looked at my neopets account(s) when I saw that image

I have like 4 royal pets, a baby yurble, a maraquan gelert, and a darigan pet.. among others... and like 1.3 mil nps in the bank

Jesus I was obsessed with neopets when I was a kid

[Anonymous No.7741044]

>>7740843
Honestly, I would. They've not responded for 2-3 weeks on so many of my recent orders, I'm getting sort of fed up with this myself.

And if you look at their calendar, the English staff is not even going to be in the office for the entire week next week except Monday. On the week of a highly anticipated release (Union Jack aka almost-Grazia-rerelease). What the fuck are they thinking? The entire non-Japanese customer base is going to get fucked over on this release because of this, I bet.

[Anonymous No.7741112]

>>7741024
Anon what give me your account, please omg

>tfw 20 and still play neopets, newest account is 7 years old, been playing since 2003, still have only achieved one of my dream neopets

[Anonymous No.7741124]

>>7741112
Haha I have an unconverted royalgirl cybunny that I love to death

I still get on and play every now and then, the mini games are fun

Also apparently I have some crazy rare NC item that I got with neocash I got for my 13th bday or something lol (spyder web staff).

What I used to do was play the stock market, always always do my dailies, and resell stuff from the main shops. Also I got a fountain faerie quest once and the item only cost 60k muhahaha

>tfw unconverted royalgirl cybunny is most loli neopet ever

[Anonymous No.7741130]

>>7740591
I kinda love it. It's the first design of theirs in a long time that I've actually wanted to order. If it's still around in 3 months (which is likely because F+F seems to make stuff forever), I might grab the OP and hat.

[Anonymous No.7741173]

>>7741124
Damn. Seriously though i'm actually jelly. Best i have is a Tyrannian Lupe and an Orange Koi, not very interesting. I feed my neopets and do dailies and free trades as well as play games occasionally. Hannah and the Pirate Caves and Turmac Roll are my favourites, so much nostalgia

[Anonymous No.7741184]

>>7741124
So fucking jelly. I had a Royalboy shoyru but changed its gender to female. I was stupid enough to convert it as soon as they released that option, because "LOL now I can dress her up COOL!"
One of the biggest regrets of my life.

[Anonymous No.7741187]

>>7740952
I still want a baby Wocky

....And I still play neopets erryday

[Anonymous No.7741192]

>>7741124
I'm jelly. I have a Royalgirl Kyrii, Chocolate Wocky, and a faerie lutari. ><

[Anonymous No.7741212]

>>7741192
>>7741173
>>7741184
Haha, thanks for the pet appreciation, guys!

> http://www.neopets.com/userlookup.phtml?user=iloveunis1011

let's be neofriends, lol.

[Anonymous No.7741236]

>>7741187
Me too anon!
If anyone wants to be neofriends send me an email! It would be awesome if we could start a guild or something for neo-playing lolitas aswell

[Anonymous No.7741242]

>>7741236
> http://www.neopets.com/userlookup.phtml?user=iloveunis1011

Neofriend me if you want!

[Anonymous No.7741245]

>>7740591

I fucking love it in black. I will get the jsk in a month or so - their stuff stays on the site forever.

[Anonymous No.7741453]

Would being a known drug user (psychedelics, not weed or coke/heroine/etc.) kill your lolita reputation? I know some seagulls are pretty openly against drugs, but I was wondering if most people really care that much so long as you're not obnoxious about it.

[Anonymous No.7741458]

>>7739485
>>7739499
Shit I really miss neopets

[Anonymous No.7741526]

Has anyone tried to get an egl feedback page recently? You need one to buy and sell on the comm but I've been waiting for almost a month to get mine.

[Anonymous No.7741531]

>>7741526
My feedback hasn't been updated in almost two months, too. As in, two transactions still haven't been "okay'd" and added to my +

[Anonymous No.7741541]

>>7741531
Would it be bad to just message the seller directly with a link to my ebay feedback? I'm missing out on a lot of cute stuff and I'm getting tired of waiting.

[Anonymous No.7741547]

>>7741541
Nah that's fine. Fuck comm sales they are so lazy.

[Anonymous No.7741602]

>>7741453
I'm a smoke weed erryday kind of stoner and I like LSD while still being a lolita.

I think most things are fine in the fashion as long as you're not a raging cock about it.

[Anonymous No.7741613]

did anyone have their cosmic order from the reservation period ship out? I know it's supposed to be later this month but I'm so excited.

[Anonymous No.7741614]

>>7735210
Haven't picked up a kera or GLB in years and I have been on a Lolita hiatus because I got got preggo. Who are popular models now? I haven't seen AMO model for AP for a while or Kimura Yu.

[Anonymous No.7741640]

>>7741236
>can't remember password or email
Fuck I would have totally joined. I just checked my account, and along with the shoyru I have an alien aisha and fire kougra as well, and a labrat. I was tempted to use the lab again, but looks like that one will stay an ugly checkered lupe forever.

[Anonymous No.7741649]

>>7741242
I'm ilovekittycats!

[Anonymous No.7741650]

>>7741453
>>7741602
I'd kill for friends who'd come over to bake space cakes and eat them while wearing lolita.

[Anonymous No.7742054]

>>7741614
kimura still does modelling for AP occasionally but she's focusing on her own brand kokokim
That's pretty much the case for Amo too, she was doing stuff with katie and candy stripper and things like that. Haven't seen or heard much about her for a few months. Man, does amo look completely different from her non modelling photos...

[Anonymous No.7742100]

>>7740591

Pet peeve rant incoming
I've been trying to figure out why it's called ten o'clock Cinderella. I get it that this is her ballgown at the height of the ball, before midnight when her dress turns back into rags, but the print itself doesn't seem to have any other allusions to Cinderella things. I'm not asking for a Disney homage, even something as simple as the tree and birds from the original story, or maybe a bowl of lentils or her mothers' grave, something. As it is it looks like someone slapped a fairytale name on a steampunk print because steampunk is on its way out. The clocks aren't even set to ten o'clock.

I'm overanalyzing it, I know. Sage for pointlessness, carry on.

[Anonymous No.7742165]

Okay I've been reading the From Japan FAQ over and over and I still don't really understand.
So the commission fee is only 200yen? And then there's a 5% paypal/CC fee?
If they need to refund me, do I get refunded in full, including the 5%?

Also I can mark down packages but will only be insured the amount that I ask to be marked, correct?

[Anonymous No.7742189]

>>7742165
Yeah, there's a 5% 'usage' fee that gets charged when you pay for something.
If they don't win your auction or aren't able to buy your item, it's all kept as credit in your account that you can release anytime in the form of a refund which you can also release bits at a time and pick the amount yourself. So yes, it all gets refunded.

>Also I can mark down packages but will only be insured the amount that I ask to be marked, correct?
Pretty sure, yes.

[Anonymous No.7742216]

>>7741236
PLEASE start a guild.

I'm Locksmithtress if anyone wants to neofriend me.

[Anonymous No.7742222]

>>7742216
I think we had a seagull guild before but it never really took off.
>mfw my current guild is dead and their CSS is so retarded the "Leave Guild" button is unclickable

[Anonymous No.7742271]

>>7735210
/fit/izen here. How do I get my gf into lolita

[Anonymous No.7742275]

>>7742271
>/fit/izen
Literally irrelevant, stop.
Just show her some outfits and ask if she'd want to wear something like it.

[Anonymous No.7742276]

>>7742271
Tell her it's cute and expensive(plus buy it for her), and if she's driven by the prospect of e-fame, she has chances for that. Might not happen, but it might still get her interested.

[Anonymous No.7742281]

>>7742275
Sorry mate
>>7742276
It can't be that expensive, right?

[Anonymous No.7742294]

Are brand bags worth the cost? I really like this IW bag but paying ~€100 for synthetic leather is pretty steep to me. Thoughts? (or if you know any similar bags that are cheaper, that'd be cool too!)

[Anonymous No.7742300]

>>7742281
Dresses are between $100-$300 secondhand if it's not a popular print. then they go higher.

New is between 22000 yen - 35000 yen

[Anonymous No.7742303]

>>7742281
Sorry mate, it is.

[Anonymous No.7742306]

Could not decide of I wanted IWs Union Jack High Waist JSK in red or blue... so I got both.

> I got problems

[Anonymous No.7742307]

>>7742303
>>7742300
Around 200€ is fine. I was thinking giving it to her on her bday since she is really into anime and stuff but that'd be too much of a gamble

[Anonymous No.7742313]

>>7742307
Well then. Ask her if she like it, tell her you like it, look on Lacemarket.us if you find anything she likes and is in your price range. But also PLEASE read about the fashion, the do and don't (google this shit, guides to lolita and what not). It's a complicated fashion.

[Anonymous No.7742318]

>>7742307
you'd need to spend a lot more than 200 euros to get started.

You need bloomers, a good petti, a nice bow, some good socks, nice shoes, and then your main piece, plus a bag.

[Anonymous No.7742320]

>>7742313
I will, thanks.
>>7742318
Well, didn't mean like getting her really into it or obsessed about it just her wearing it. I secretly love lolitas and seeing her wear that stuff would be amazing

[Anonymous No.7742324]

>>7742320
>not obsessed

Owning the proper items that constitute a lolita outfit /=/ obsessed.

My point is you can't just buy her a dress and then she's a lolita. You need to buy a petticoat, bloomers, a headbow, some socks, a nice pair of lolita shoes, and a purse, plus the main piece.

[Anonymous No.7742327]

>>7742324
>expecting some guy with a fetish to care if the outfit actually looks good
He's just going to have her throw it on so he can fuck her in it. He may as well just drop fifty bucks on some milanoo.

[Anonymous No.7742328]

>>7742294
Yeah, I would only buy the bag if I like the design enough. I think someone mentioned on Lolita Updates that it reminded them of Axes Femme, which is significantly cheaper than IW

[Anonymous No.7742330]

i just bought metas candy shower/sweet candy otks in sax because theyre so god damn cute, but i just found out the rest of the set doesnt come in sax, and its quite an unusual print on the socks so Im not sure what other prints it will work with
I was thinking metas popping balloon jsk or op but I have no idea how hard that is to get a hold of/what it goes for

[Anonymous No.7742333]

>>7742327
>We can try

[Anonymous No.7742336]

>>7742330
Popping Balloon in sax is up on comm sales for $130 just FYI. http://egl-comm-sales.livejournal.com/23522237.html#comments

[Anonymous No.7742337]

>>7742327
This

[Anonymous No.7742347]

>>7742336
agghhh ! thank you some ones already commented about it I hope it's still for sale..

[Anonymous No.7742351]

Question regarding innocent World. I made my first purchase from them during their sale, just two pairs of socks. I received them today and one pair is incorrect, they just sent me a different pair than what I ordered. I emailed them about it but I was wondering if anyone knows how IW normally resolves this kind of issue and if it's a common mistake?

[Anonymous No.7742356]

Holy shit, some girl is actually selling the infamous Emmelina JSK for 225$ and while missing corset string.

[Anonymous No.7742360]

>>7742356
>infamous Emmelina JSK
How is it infamous?

[Anonymous No.7742361]

>>7742360
It's one ugly motherfucker, can't even give it away for free

[Anonymous No.7742365]

>>7742360
For being ugly and unwanted. One year just about everyone who bought one received it in their lucky packs but couldn't get rid of it. There were people struggle to sell it for $50 so there was a period where a tonne of sales posts had this hideous dress in them.

[Anonymous No.7742389]

>>7742330

It's intended to match the colour of the blouse -- so sax blouse for sax OTKs. Then chose the colour of the main print that compliments the blouse, eg- the marine blue colourway or the sugar white colourway would work well with a sax blouse and sax OTKs. Work the rest of your coord around those items.

I really love this new trend of releasing socks intended for matching blouses rather than the main pieces, with some stronger colours it can look really odd to have the legs be same colour as your skirt.

[Anonymous No.7742399]

>>7742320
Pedo detected

[Anonymous No.7742427]

>>7742365
>>7742361
O-oh. I looked it up. It didn't look so bad from the thumbnail but eesssh.

[Anonymous No.7742517]

>>7742318
I'm gonna have 500€ for my birthday to start my lolita wardrobe, is that enough? I don't mind if most of it is offbrand, as long as it's cute.

[Anonymous No.7742522]

>>7739109
well, so is putting thick, white, opaque facepaint...

[Anonymous No.7742524]

>>7742517
500 could work. you can get a decent secondhand non-print jumperskirt for around 100, blouse for 50-100 (or get an onepiece (that's with sleeves) for 200), classical puppets petticoat for 50-70, bodyline shoes and bloomers for 50-60 (if you use the yen trick), head bow for 15-20 (or you might be lucky and get it in a set with the jumper skirt/onepiece), socks for 10-20, some jewelry (if you fancy that) for 20-50 and a bag from ebay for 25-45. if you don't mind buying from overseas, buy stuff in dollars and yen.

[Anonymous No.7742555]

>>7738061
seems like you're the one who doesn't know what it means? made perfect sense to me...

[Anonymous No.7742560]

http://www.mirukuma.com/p/cc-mystery-packs.html
What's the deal with this? does this chick make the packs herself or does closet child? if the shop does, has anyone gotten one before and is it worth it?

[Anonymous No.7742561]

>>7738109
but people who buy replicas either don't know this or just don't care.

[Anonymous No.7742567]

AP is doing a collaboraion wih Disney.
The dress is cute but it looks so fucking short ...

[Anonymous No.7742569]

>>7742560
CC doesn't make lucky packs. she just picks out a few items for the packs, but you won't know what you'll get. don't know if it's worth it. I personally prefer buying from CC themselves.

[Anonymous No.7742676]

>>7742567
this is getting fucking RIDICULOUS, AP

[Anonymous No.7742678]

>>7742567
>>7742676
Anyone have pics of this on a model?

[Anonymous No.7742683]

>>7742676
I don't think this is meant to be lolita, but maybe more like an aomoji kei/amo-style dress ? (Or maybe it's just for children.)

[Anonymous No.7742686]

>>7742567
>7452 yen
shit that's really cheap.

[Anonymous No.7742703]

>>7742567
Looks like a tunic top, really.

[Anonymous No.7742810]

>>7741650
where do you live, anon? wanna bake brownies and eat them together?

[Anonymous No.7742821]

>>7742306
nice choice, anon. I was torn between the two, but I ended up getting it in navy with matching socks.

[Anonymous No.7742879]

Hey so I got a package from Baby. I have two orders right now with them. They replied to one of my order emails with the tracking info. However when I received the package, it is my other order items. I'm afraid they may send me duplicate items now, since they replied to the wrong order email with the other order's tracking. I've emailed them with a picture of the customs slip and the invoice attached but not really sure if they will understand. Anyone else dealt with this?

[Anonymous No.7742881]

Stupid question but what is pop up store and how it's different for regural store?

[Anonymous No.7742888]

>>7742881
pop up stores are temporary stores, usually for brands that havent had a physical location before/are really small. They stay in a location for a while and then shut down, they may or may not 'travel' or reappear eventually. Other than that it's like a regular store, just there for a limited amount of time.

[Anonymous No.7742945]

>>7742810
I'd love to, anon, but I live in South America.

>>7741602
I'm a responsible person with a good job so my comm don't judge my occasional pot smoking. I guess not being an ita helps a lot too.
I never really invited them to bake space cupcakes but they never mentioned they were interested either, so...
>mfw no stoner loli friends to watch dubbed SM and read Mr Yan's posts on fb while high.

[Anonymous No.7743036]

>>7742389
oh i see! I guess i was so set on being match matchy i didn't even think of it like that, cool i might took at the other part of the set then since i do really like the print

[Anonymous No.7743084]

>>7743036
>"lolita" thread
>just a bunch of ladies wearing some Victorian shit

do you people even know what lolita even means, there hasnt been a time in at least 120 years that any kid has worn any kind of retarded expensive dresses like that.

this shit should be renamed Doll Fashion or some garbage, what does any of this have to do with lolis or lolita or the book or the complex or anything, you people dont dress like kids you dress like something a kid would play with, i guess thats why you guys attract man-children.

[Anonymous No.7743095]

>>7743084
>what does any of this have to do with lolis or lolita or the book or the complex or anything
Great bait.

[Anonymous No.7743106]

>>7743084

[Anonymous No.7743114]

>>7743084
nice b8 m8

[Anonymous No.7743131]

>>7743084
>>7743095
>>7743106
>>7743114
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita

Seriously, what does fucking little nymphets have to do with this style?

[Anonymous No.7743134]

>>7743131
Japanese people can't english proper meanings.
>oh this fashion is cute and youthful
>lolita means young girl
>sounds good

don't be retarded

[Anonymous No.7743143]

>>7743134
How am I retarded if the Japs can't learn to engrish?

Doesn't that make the japs stupid?

[Anonymous No.7743145]

>>7743134
But young girls dont wear those kinds of expensive dresses. who are you kidding.

[Anonymous No.7743148]

>>7743084
>pedo sad that he didn't see any naked underage girls ITT

[Anonymous No.7743150]

>>7743148
Naked isnt a fashion

[Anonymous No.7743158]

>>7743148
No we are just really confused as how some made up word from some Russian dude to describe a sexually attractive little girl in his erotic novel got labeled to a type of over the top doll fashion.

I think it has to do will the borderline soft core pin up porn featuring little girls from Russia leaking its way into Nippon.

[Anonymous No.7743189]

>>7743145
They're based off of the cuts and details old-school children's dresses. Do you not know what "based off of" means?

[Anonymous No.7743204]

>>7743189
>responding sincerely to b8

[Anonymous No.7743245]

>>7743143
It means japs are stupid and you're too stupid to realise how stupid they are.

[Anonymous No.7743305]

>>7742306
I was all set to get the skirt in navy and then I decided I really don't like how blocky the print is, so I got a bunch of the accessories in different colorways to match my Grazia. I was considering the highwaist in red or blue too, though, but I just don't have the money right now. I might end up getting the skirt later when I have more money if it makes it past reserves.

[Anonymous No.7743525]

>>7736292
Pointless addition to this thread, but it just about died laughing. Schrodinger's shoe...

[Anonymous No.7743543]

>>7742306
I had to decide between the red and the blue, but went for the red with navy socks because I have red shoes that should match /fingers crossed. Let's hope it doesn't sell out before they get to my order (which I just placed)...

[Anonymous No.7743559]

>>7743543
I'm really worried about this given their long answering times lately... I don't know how they prioritize their orders, whether it's by date it was placed regardless of domestic or international, or if it's when they get around to processing it? Does the international side get screwed if the English speaking staff isn't around for the whole reserve week?

[Anonymous No.7743610]

>>7742306

I got the navy low waisted one with matching socks.

I am so excited about this print I can hardly stand it.

[Anonymous No.7743616]

>>7742567
I would buy it if the length wasn't short as fuck also for me who is short.

[Anonymous No.7743685]

>>7743610
Did anyone else notice how super long this JSK is? Even the short version is 101 cm... I'm 5' so I'd be swamped by it, I'm pretty disappointed by that because I don't look good in high waists either. The skirt is pretty long too, 63 cm.

[Anonymous No.7743700]

>>7743685

Yeah I was really surprised by that. Their short length is normally 93, not 101 cm.

[Anonymous No.7743804]

>>7742306
Am I the only one who thinks this is kind of... tacky? Might be my own minor bias against the Union Jack, but I just think this giant flag looks kind of garish and tacked on to the rest of the dress. I don't really like flag clothing in general, though, I find it weird.

[Anonymous No.7743846]

>>7743804
I can't stand these kinds of themes, even when they're cute little crowns that are relatively inconspicuous, perhaps because I'm British. Add the fact that it's the Union Jack, which I find really quite ugly, and that it plays such a huge (and to me, garish) role, I think it's really very tacky indeed. It would be worn ironically if it were an American or Chinese flag.

[Anonymous No.7743851]

>>7743804
Yeah, I ended up deciding it was way too bold and blocky and tacked-on to the bottom of the dress, so I passed on it. It's too bad, I wish they'd just done Grazia again with new cuts/colors.

[Anonymous No.7744001]

>>7743804
I love it, but I can understand why it won't appeal to everyone (just like any other dress really). I love coat of arms etc so I couldn't resist. I wouldn't have gone for it without the coat of arms to break up the flag; otherwise it would have been too much like a flag just tacked onto the dress design.

[Anonymous No.7744663]

Wearing the British flag (as a Brit myself) always makes me think of the British National Party, the English Defence League, UKIP, the National Front and BRITTUN FURST.
I couldn't do it. I'd be worried that people would think i supported their message, or even worse, get approving nods from that type...

[Anonymous No.7744665]

>>7742686
it looks it too.

[Anonymous No.7744666]

>>7744663
That's kind of my problem with it as well. Not British, but Irish, and it just kind of makes me think of crazy "muh fleg" Ulster loyalists. If there's any loyalist lolitas, though, I imagine this is their dream come true.

[Anonymous No.7744677]

>>7744666
I'm imagining a EDL supporter in lolita, pairing it with a kawaii buzzcut and trainers.

[Anonymous No.7744888]

is it possible to buy from AP's japanese site without an SS?

[Anonymous No.7744970]

You're new aren't you?

[Anonymous No.7747482]

>>7743804
>>7743846
I guess as an American, I find the dress cute as fuck, but if it were an American flag I would think it was so tacky, so I guess I can see where you're coming from.

[Anonymous No.7747700]

>>7744888
you can use tenso, but that's technically a shopping service.