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Lolita General Anonymous Sat Sep 26 00:35:49 2015 No.8633253 [Reply] [Original]

After the Bloodbath Edition

What did you gulls end up choosing this weekend? Holy Lantern? Automatic Honey release? Lief's Sacred Night? IW Oddments?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 00:38:41 2015 No.8633259 I chose getting all kinds of empty-handed fucked.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 00:40:48 2015 No.8633264 I choose to keep my money this weekend.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 00:42:35 2015 No.8633268 I don't like Holy Lantern. Why is it so popular in the first place?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 00:43:40 2015 No.8633271 Praying that Chinese lolitas are pissed off enough to e-mail AP en-masse. I'm holding out for a special set or made to order release of Holy Lantern.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 00:44:50 2015 No.8633275 i have a question. i just got dream marine. i was wondering how different the feel of chiffon was to other releases like holy lantern?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 00:45:04 2015 No.8633276 >>8633268 a vast conspiracy to make you feel superior to others

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 00:45:50 2015 No.8633279 >>8633253 Which was the most popular colorway? I was looking into the lavender but knew I'd never come close to getting it in time.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 00:46:55 2015 No.8633284

>>8633253
>Holy Lantern
Feel bad that I couldn't secure one for my friend, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.
>Automatic Honey
Don't care for their stuff but it looks cool.
>Sacred Night
Really struggled with this. Decided against since I figure the secondhand for it won't be bloody murder, and I want to save money for Rufflecon.
>IW Oddments
Thankfully friends have had tough experiences with the pieces they get from it that it's chased me away from entertaining the thought of buying this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 00:48:59 2015 No.8633289 >>8633268 Same and I'm a gothic lolita. It's such a basic print and AP just loves tent OP's. I await the day they stop this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 00:49:58 2015 No.8633293 >>8633289 it's not gothic so your identity as a gothic lolita doesn't really matter

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 00:50:52 2015 No.8633295 >>8633279 Lavender went first in the store I was at.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 00:51:02 2015 No.8633296

>>8633284
I've had wonderful luck with LPs, and what I didn't like, I was definitely able to make my money back on. I'd recommend trying to get a future one, but with how fast they sold and what the website said, it sounded like they only had one of each this time around. Go for a future one, you'll have a little more time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 00:53:04 2015 No.8633301 >>8633293 >Holy Lantern >no gothic influence there Okay, if you say so.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 00:54:10 2015 No.8633304 >>8633268 I like tent dresses and the pattern is simple and charming.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 00:54:52 2015 No.8633306 >>8633301 >influence you inserted a word to change the meaning of the statement though

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 00:55:50 2015 No.8633308 I guess now my hope is that they decide to do special sets or MTOs, but all I really want is one of the skirts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 00:56:15 2015 No.8633309 >>8633306 Dude chill, not that anon but it's as gothic as AP gets. They didn't insert a word to change the meaning, they just clarified.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 00:57:20 2015 No.8633313 >>8633306 So what is this print then, anon? I as a gothic lolita didn't have much interest in a print that had gothic influence in it. Does that bother you so much? What are you trying to prove?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 00:58:06 2015 No.8633316 >>8633306 If you don't see the gothic in Holy Lantern you would have to be blind tbh

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 00:59:12 2015 No.8633320

Hey gulls, I'm not sure what to do in this kind of situation. I recently got Meta's Witch in Forest Magical Girl Dress in violet, and its absolutely lovely, but I found a small flaw on it. One of the threads in the front seems to have snagged just a bit (the damage isnt noticeable unless you're inspecting the print.) I got the dress on Monday, I still have the box (box is damaged though) and the papers it came with. Should I contact Meta over this and see if I can get anything in return (I'm thinking of just store points)? The dress is sold out online and it's not worth mailing back/ a full return because the damage really is minuscule, but it is there. I still have the dress on its hanger, nwt, and in its bag.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:00:20 2015 No.8633322 >>8633253 I'm hoping they'll do a made to order bUT I'm really all about that original jsk cut. I did score an emerald witch academy ring from automatic honey today! And then I impulse bought one in black....

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:02:15 2015 No.8633325 i'm still salty Chibi refused my request I sent in for Holy Lantern about 2 months ago. I had a feeling it would be re-released, but she told me I had to wait for actual proof before putting in a SS request. Fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:03:14 2015 No.8633326 >>8633320 Go ahead and email them if it bothers you. Japanese brands are crazy on quality control, and I'm sure they'd be receptive. Meta is known for being really good with their customer care.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:03:31 2015 No.8633328 >>8633320 Meta is really good with customer service. Just follow these instructions: http://www.metamorphose.gr.jp/help_faq3.html Otherwise you could try selling it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:04:52 2015 No.8633331 >>8633325 It's in her rules you can't do that though

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:05:01 2015 No.8633332 >>8633316 Its hardly true gothic

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:05:40 2015 No.8633333 What do you guys do with the bags, cardsstickers AP sends for orders? Mine just sit around.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:06:30 2015 No.8633335 >>8633309 they said "if you say so," implying that "gothic influence" was what i meant. can't have a discussion with someone who responds to something you didn't say. saying "i'm a goth btw" is as irrelevant as "/fit/ here." that's all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:09:54 2015 No.8633344 >>8633313 >So what is this print then, anon? >thinking a print is what makes a dress gothic in my opinion it's a sweet-goth hybrid. the cut and trim is not gothic; just the motif.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:10:05 2015 No.8633345 >>8633335 I think in the lavender colorway it could work really well in a goth coord if done right.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:10:52 2015 No.8633346 >>8633344 I agree. It's sweet with a gothic feel imo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:16:47 2015 No.8633360 >>8633344 And? You just admitted it still has gothic influence. Hence why it could be liked by gothic lolitas as well? Do you really think only sweet lolitas buy from Angelic Pretty?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:18:09 2015 No.8633361 I'm 100% against replicas, but I'd buy one of Holy Lantern. Just because I want it that badly. I know I'm not the only one. A girl in my comm bought one, and it actually looked half decent. My mom offered to buy it for me, knowing how badly I want it.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:18:51 2015 No.8633362
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>>8633346
i feel the same about a lot of Halloween prints also. i like genre-bending, but i think newer lolitas too quickly assume that spoopy print = gothic.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:22:54 2015 No.8633365

>>8633331
I just went and double checked her TOS and it actually doesn't explicitly say she won't accept these kinds of requests anywhere. unless I missed it?
The closest I could see was 'I generally get requests from the first hints of a release' and she also states 'I still take requests in advance for AP releases. This is called “spot claiming.” '

Regardless, I didn't get what I want, and can acknowledge that I'm just being salty.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:24:25 2015 No.8633367 >>8633362 If someone wanted to go true goffik like everyone is saying, they'd buy Moitie or something. It's more ridiculous to assume they can't like or touch AP doing a sweet-gothic hybrid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:27:08 2015 No.8633370 >>8633367 no one is assuming that. are you ok anon?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:29:18 2015 No.8633376 I think the original point was that it's not made as a gothic lolita dress so the perspective from a gothic lolita doesn't really add anything since it's obviously not solidly in that genre, not that it wasn't blended.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:32:07 2015 No.8633382 >>8633376 this

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:38:57 2015 No.8633396 I got the tights like I wanted. I thought about the skirt but decided against it since I didn't love it and already own the original JSK. Decently happy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:41:47 2015 No.8633401 >>8633333 I reuse the bags to package items for extra protection when I sell things on LM. As for the stickers, I've put them on my laptop, mirror, and thrown them in with LM sales.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:44:34 2015 No.8633410

>>8633361
eh, just do it. might consider getting another one, haha.

I really like HL, but the secondhand prices are not worth it and I never have luck with bloodbaths, so I'm gonna stick to replicas until the day HL will be available at a reasonable price.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:47:57 2015 No.8633413 today was a bad day for my wallet >amiibo friday >holy lantern >iw oddment pack b invoice came in shiiiiet, eating ramen for rest of the year.. if only i could eat my amiibo card dupes instead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:48:10 2015 No.8633414 >>8633253 None of those. I picked tricky factory. Did manage to get it in purple too

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:50:22 2015 No.8633418 >>8633413 Well at least you got a Holy Lantern.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 01:57:06 2015 No.8633420 >>8633413 Whoa, invoice for the oddment pack already? I better get my own shit together. I actually really want Meta's Royal Ornament, but since it doesn't seem to be really popular, I am going to hold out for second hand.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 02:05:05 2015 No.8633428 >>8633320 Meta has awesome customer service and helped me with my first purchase and with a missing item inside. They respond quickly as they can due to time zones but they do go above and beyond.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 02:08:31 2015 No.8633430 File: 325 KB, 477x351, 1359044677520.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8633332 well you know how gothic AP is

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 02:20:24 2015 No.8633438 >>8633376 Original anon here. I've always seen this print as sort of sweet-gothic. Just mentioned gothic because it would've been adapted into a dominantly gothic themed collection.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 02:53:38 2015 No.8633463

>>8633413
You got the invoice already?? How fast did you send the form? i sent mine about 30 minutes after it was updated that the packs are up....

Crap, I hope I'm not in the wait list again... Last time they invoiced me 3 months later. Granted, by that time I have already seen what others got and didn't want it, so it worked out for the best... But still.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 03:01:54 2015 No.8633471

Got the Holy Lantern JSK in black. The special set in white from the first release was my favorite so I figured it was the next best thing. Also managed to snag the socks but the hair bow sold out before I could check out. I'm not terribly torn up about that though seeing as it's super basic and I can make myself one easily enough.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 03:03:23 2015 No.8633473 Now, how are the chances for AP USA Holy Lantern release?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 03:17:20 2015 No.8633483 File: 464 KB, 500x350, tumblr_inline_mg6vyf3iPX1qeyw2u.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8633473

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 04:42:04 2015 No.8633535
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I have a voluminous bob similar to pic related and all of the hair accessories have a band that pushes my hair down and make it look like shit. Or if they don't, they look tacked on and silly.

I just wear no hair accessory or hats. But I know people always complain about the lack of hair accessory on coords so is there anything that will look good with hair like this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 04:52:51 2015 No.8633541 File: 258 KB, 489x545, Screen Shot 2015-09-26 at 6.21.44 pm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8633253 it's already being fucking scalped - just sell it for what you paid for god damn.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 05:09:42 2015 No.8633551 >>8633535 I have hair similar to this anon, when you're putting on your headbows just focus on sliding them INTO your hairstyle and not OVER it, so they don't push down on your hair. Also putting tiny curls in it is super kawaii ~

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 05:12:07 2015 No.8633554 >>8633541 lol i think she posted in the buy/sell/trade tread looking for offers too.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 05:14:42 2015 No.8633555

>>8633541
Haha this girl posted it in the BST thread here, just asking for people to make her offers. I think the "it was for my friend" thing was a complete fabrication because it wasn't mentioned in her post here before she deleted it.

I'm sad too because if she were just charging retail + shipping + a shopping service fee, I would be all over it! She would have my money right this very moment. I missed out on snagging one for myself and this is exactly the skirt I wanted, hahaha.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 05:18:04 2015 No.8633556

>>8633253
I ended up having over $3000 worth of adult responsibilities (insurance and short training course) that I am being reimbursed for by work, but of course not in time for Sacred Night. I have mild regret about it, but I think the length would be really awkward on me as well...
At least I have my goldfish meta dress to look forward to eventually?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 05:27:38 2015 No.8633561 >>8633541 >>8633554 >>8633555 Why not scalp and save face by putting it up for auction and seeing how high it goes?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 05:33:09 2015 No.8633563 >>8633551 Sliding them in from the back or the front?

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 05:41:49 2015 No.8633568

>>8633561
I generally don't see anything inherently wrong with buying and then reselling at a profit, but I do get annoyed when people frame it with some sort of story that's clearly made up. Just say you've got a holy lantern skirt up for sale - no need to bullshit us and insult our intelligence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 05:47:07 2015 No.8633571 >>8633555 >>8633568 >>8633561 it's so fucking stupid, like at least wait a little while - putting it up for sale on the same day as the release just makes it so obvious that you bought it purely to resell.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 05:51:02 2015 No.8633574 >>8633541 People who scalp skirts are the worst for me. I can kinda understand buying a JSK or an OP to scalp (not to say that I approve), but just why a fucking skirt

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 05:57:31 2015 No.8633580

>>8633571
Are you serious? Why do they have to wait at all? There's already people interested in it. They bought it fairly with their money like everyone else and they could easily make a profit. It's not your business what they do with it. I never encountered so much hate towards "scalpers" except in lolita. Everywhere else, they call it profit.

If someone buys it from you, then clearly someone wanted it that badly. You don't understand much about supply and demand, do you, anon?

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 06:15:01 2015 No.8633590

>>8633580
>I never encountered so much hate towards "scalpers" except in lolita. Everywhere else, they call it profit
ticket sales are a big scalping problem. scalpers will buy up tickets for bands or conventions and then resell them at a huge markup. what fans could have paid $50 for becomes a choice between not going to the event at all or paying three times as much for a scalped ticket.

people complain about it all the time. it is unethical to snatch up a limited product or commodity just so you can drive the price up.

as for why that lolita is scalping a skirt, she probably grabbed whatever she could by whatever means she could, maybe just in case she didn't get what she wanted, maybe just because she wanted to try her hand at scalping.

stopping scalpers is like stopping trolls, though. someone is always willing to feed them, no matter how harmful it is to everyone else.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 06:28:42 2015 No.8633598

>>8633580
>I never encountered so much hate towards "scalpers" except in lolita
>You don't understand much about supply and demand, do you, anon?
have you been living under a rock? there are purchase limits on just about everything that's vulnerable to scalping. as for supply and demand, it's not so much a concern from the business side but from the moral/ethical side. sure you can buy up shit people want just to resell it at an inflated price, but you're taking advantage and honestly, you fucking suck. call me a marxist, but that's some bourgeoisie shit. like sure people are still going to buy it at a markup if they really want it, but if you're comfortable with making people part with more money than an item is worth for your own benefit, you're a jerk.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 06:30:17 2015 No.8633599 >>8633580 >I never encountered so much hate towards "scalpers" except in lolita. Everywhere else, they call it profit. I dunno where you live, but scalping within the context of event tickets is actually illegal in some places around the world.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 06:39:36 2015 No.8633605

>>8633590
>>8633598
>>8633599
Simply put, you don't have the money so you're angry you can't buy something at higher than market prices.

You're not entitled to having an item at retail price in a fair market anymore than others are. That's too bad if you can't grab it then, but AP is high in demand. A blood bath over some print isn't fun and I get that it kind of sucks. The entitlement over this is unreal, though. It's not being a jerk, you're just being a whiny child.

I just don't think the answer is blaming scalpers, though. It's more on AP to make more dresses for a market that wants them than to get angry at random girls who mark it up $50 more. Pre-ordering, a better functioning website, and really just more stock. Even one of those would help a lot but they honestly never seem to try.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 06:44:13 2015 No.8633607

>>8633605
>It's more on AP to make more dresses for a market that wants them than to get angry at random girls who mark it up $50 more. Pre-ordering, a better functioning website, and really just more stock. Even one of those would help a lot but they honestly never seem to try.

That would be nice...

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 06:49:35 2015 No.8633609 >>8633605 >Simply put, you don't have the money so you're angry i'm not interested in HL, i just think scalping is fucking dumb.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 06:51:35 2015 No.8633611

>>8633605
lol, good job ignoring the one common point they all had: scalpers are hated everywhere, not just in lolita

I actually think lolita is more forgiving to scalpers than other markets. I know the film camera market is vicious towards them, and some sales groups that I'm in outright ban you if you've been proven to scalp items.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 06:53:17 2015 No.8633614 Bless ChibiTenshi. I won something from MBOK on 9/15 and even with this release craziness she made it to the post office yesterday to ship my package

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 06:54:51 2015 No.8633616

>>8633611
no joke, i'm a member of a few bss groups for specific brands and if you're scalping you'll be laughed straight out of the group. lolita is the only market where i've seen people actively getting away with it, aside from rolling stones tickets.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 06:59:21 2015 No.8633619

>>8633605
>Simply put, you don't have the money so you're angry you can't buy something at higher than market prices.
I dunno if anyone is actually angry here anon, it seems like you're really reaching to make this a "you vs hysterical anti-capitalism lolitas" debate. I'm >>8633599 and I was just pointing out that there are situations where scalping is recognized as being enough of an issue that it's illegal and not just "making a profit."

Scalping is just as common in my other hobby (gaming) as it is in lolita, and it's just as hotly debated there, too. It sucks for the consumer because they set out with the goal of supporting a favorite company and getting a good experience with them in return and are denied both opportunities. It sucks for the company because if a product has a history of being snapped up and scalped (like amiibos), many people who genuinely want the items will just burn out and stop trying to get them, or will have to shell out more money for it and thus feel animosity toward the company... which is kind of what you're demonstrating - you're misdirecting the annoyance of people buying everything just to resell it back onto the company for not doing enough to prevent it.

I honestly think the idea of NEEDING to pre-order a dress and the company needing to limit orders to one item/set per person kind of sucks. While we're not going to be able to stop scalpers I think it's okay to be critical of them for disrupting the normal consumer/company relationship.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 09:07:25 2015 No.8633664 The skirt's on LM for $250 auction, $400 buy now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 09:14:03 2015 No.8633668 >>8633664 Did you miss the rest of the thread? This has already been discussed, no use beating a dead horse.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 09:44:03 2015 No.8633692 ah darn, chibi wasnt able to get me anything. I'm kinda bummed but it's for the best I guess. I'm kinda surprised she didn't even manage to nab any tights though- must have been a real bloodbath.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 09:47:46 2015 No.8633696 >>8633692 You could only buy one piece of legwear at a time, and you could only at most stand in line twice at any given store.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 09:56:47 2015 No.8633705 I was away at the time, so would someone be able to tell me how this Holy Lantern release was compared to this year's Misty Sky release? Was it more or less brutal?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 10:03:02 2015 No.8633712 >>8633705 I think misty sky was a way easier battle than holy lantern.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 10:17:05 2015 No.8633723 >>8633271 I'm praying for this as well. Deliver me from a HL-less life, oh Chinese lolita saviors.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 10:20:38 2015 No.8633727 >>8633723 nah AP wants us to suffer

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 10:24:04 2015 No.8633728

>>8633696
chibi is the only reseller i know of who AP allows to get more than 2 dresses on a release. She got me the black jsk and white socks so that was nice. Maybe she got tights, but couldn't get 3 or 4 pairs of them for everyone she was getting them for.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 10:26:14 2015 No.8633730 >>8633728 You sweet ignorant child... Chibi is not special in AP's eyes, she's the queen bee with lots of workers under her.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 10:27:15 2015 No.8633731 >>8633692 ugh same. I honestly thought I had a decent shot, but I should have known better considering how everything flew off the shelves online. At least this frees up some cash for rufflecon.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 10:28:01 2015 No.8633732

Went for the new IW print JSK+socks, stock still hasn't updated on their website so I have no idea what the competition was like for it at this point. I was assuming it was going to be a (quieter) bloodbath seeing as it's basically a Rottenberg rerelease though.

At least I'll likely be able to wait a good week or two at least to get more money for it anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 10:40:31 2015 No.8633743 >>8633712 It really was. HL caught me off guard and I was only able to get a skirt. Misty Sky was tame compared to last night.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 10:45:06 2015 No.8633749
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Totally unrelated to the bloodbath, but:
Are high side ponytails okay for casual sweet coords? I like keeping my hair up because it gets very hot where I live, and a ponytail is so easy to put up and fix in the morning. I was thinking about wearing it with combs or one of the headbows that is off to the side like in the pic

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 10:49:33 2015 No.8633753 >>8633749 I think they're absolutely adorable in casual sweet coords. Especially if there's a little curl at the end of the tail.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 11:08:12 2015 No.8633776 >>8633705 I thought it took a longer time to sell, personally but that's also with people clogging the servers

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 11:28:28 2015 No.8633800 File: 55 KB, 500x750, 419099_10151698426630948_1587486701_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8633749 yes, up-dos that like that are common in sweet coords. lurk more.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 11:32:02 2015 No.8633808 >>8633605 Pretty much. I would much rather have them do a MTO that is only opened for like an hour. I understand that they put these measurements in place to try to prevent scalpers but it doesn't change anything really.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 11:42:26 2015 No.8633821 >>8633808 >MTO that is only opened for like an hour Oh Lord, that would be amazing >>8633271 I'm curious actually, how badly was the Chinese lolita community hit by the release?

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 11:44:06 2015 No.8633824

>>8633800
I was more asking about natural hair, as that's all clip in wigs; I have relatively long, thick hair, but there's no way I'm going to get that kind of volume.
Also haven't really seen a lot of people doing this sort of hairstyle in a while; even Cadney rarely does it anymore.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 12:26:32 2015 No.8633892 >>8633664 Do you really think I'm that stupid? Everyone here was talking about it on the facebook sale group, I just said she listed it on LM.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 12:30:06 2015 No.8633898 Will IW combine a new order with one that has already been invoiced and paid for but not yet shipped?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 12:44:10 2015 No.8633909 >>8633279 a girl in our comm is asking if anyone will sell their lavender op so ridiculous

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 12:49:58 2015 No.8633913 Call me crazy but I think that I will try for the USA release. I've gotten lucky with two releases in the past. However, I don't really care if I get it or not.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 12:53:34 2015 No.8633914

>>8633824
If you have long hair, you can style it so it has that kind of volume. You just can't throw it up in a single ponytail holder and expect it to look like that, you'll have to put some work into it.

It might not be a trendy hairstyle right now but it's still a normal look for sweet lolita.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 14:39:25 2015 No.8634040

> Holy Lantern?
Don't like it. Could have bought it, but I didn't want to.
> Automatic Honey release?
Don't care for their stuff
>Lief's Sacred Night?
Had it, sold it, done buying from this brand. Nothing fits right, and the quality is just meh.
>IW Oddments?
Still trying to sell off stuff from my last LP and I don't need wardrobe building IW stuff.

So I bought nothing. Feels good in my wallet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 14:40:28 2015 No.8634041 >>8633898 probably not because they won't read the email until after they ship

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 14:41:43 2015 No.8634042 Stupid question time: can flocky prints be drycleaned? Should I wash it instead? It's an old taobao item so I don't have care instructions for it. Also, what temp should I use to iron flocky prints?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 14:44:21 2015 No.8634046 >>8633268 The first time around there were production issues so AP couldn't meet the demand. Had they been able to it still would have been popular, but not as much.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 14:46:12 2015 No.8634047 >>8634042 Flocked on what? The base fabric matters. Also what colors is it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 14:48:05 2015 No.8634051 >>8633473 99.9% It's a normal production run. AP USA gets every normal production run aside from collabs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 15:41:26 2015 No.8634124 >>8633473 People are saying within a week or so, so be ready Even my next paycheck won't be enough to buy HL

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 15:46:45 2015 No.8634129 >>8633730 source? details? spill please I'm curious about her business practices

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 15:50:42 2015 No.8634136
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O-Okay, I'm gonna do it.
I'm gonna buy my first brand piece.
I don't really have /that/ much money, but what I do have, I'm willing to spend.
But I'm spineless, and I care a lot about what other better lolitas will think of me.
Which one of these would get me the best response from a comm?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 15:50:58 2015 No.8634137 What is the best way to clean Holy Lantern? Can it go in the washing machine?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 15:55:15 2015 No.8634150 >>8634136 None of these are bad dresses, anon. A comm's reaction depends on you coording nicely and not acting like a sperg or a mute.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 15:56:20 2015 No.8634152 >>8634137 Oh yeah, just toss it in with your jeans or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 15:59:27 2015 No.8634156 >>8634152 lol

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 16:02:49 2015 No.8634159

>>8634040
How does it feel to be so superior to the rest of us
>>8634136
Just get the one you like most. Do it for you, not your comm! Obviously easier said than done. But tbh the "better" girls in my comm aren't even anything special, they just have a lot of mismatched brand and are active on the FB and come to every meet. And they take good photos. You'll see once you become more active.
I'd reccomend getting the one that looks like it'll fit the best into your dream wardrobe. I personally like the milky berry, it'll be easy to coord, and you could find/make tons of cute cheap accessories. But if you don't see yourself wearing a lot of black, don't do it.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 16:03:01 2015 No.8634160

>>8634136
All of the dresses in the top row are better suited for otome than lolita, though most are workable as lolita. I'd say go with whatever you like the best/think you'll be able to coord the best, but I personally like the Baby JSK and Milky Berry best.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 16:04:53 2015 No.8634165 >>8634047 It's flocky on plain cotton, and it's all black.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 16:30:21 2015 No.8634217 >>8633268 I really like the pattern, and would literally wear any cut if that dress I could get my hands on.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 16:34:20 2015 No.8634224 >>8633306 If it's not gothic what is it anon? Do you think it's sweet?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 16:35:28 2015 No.8634225 >>8634224 Yes, anon, yes. It's sweet with some gothic influence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 16:37:47 2015 No.8634231 How are the releases like in AP San Fran? Am I better off ordering online rather than going in store? Just wondering because I am planning to visit soon

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 16:38:30 2015 No.8634232 >>8634231 Just as crazy

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 16:39:40 2015 No.8634234 >>8633800 Jesus, tone down the salt a little

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 16:40:26 2015 No.8634235 >>8633605 simply put, you didn't read anything we said, and are just sounding off. can't have a conversation with someone who doesn't respond to what was actually said.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 16:40:28 2015 No.8634236 >>8634224 It's definitely sweet. If you think HL is gothic, you haven't seen enough gothic.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 16:42:19 2015 No.8634241

>>8634236

Oh my god. Church windows and gates with lace is so so gothic I'm so sick of seeing this crap.
Not calling you out personally anon just Jesus c h r i s t
This is enough

If you don't like a dress
Or it doesn't fit with your style

Don't
Wear
It.

I don't know why lolitas need to constantly categorieze frilly dresses.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 16:42:37 2015 No.8634243 >>8633619 Mana bless this post

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 16:43:44 2015 No.8634244 >>8633692 I got my tights, must have been lucky or quicker to ask, damn.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 16:44:06 2015 No.8634245 >>8634241 What the fuck are you even on?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 16:44:20 2015 No.8634247 secrets are uppppp

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 16:48:22 2015 No.8634253 >>8634241 it's sweet with a gothic print. this isn't rocket science, and it was covered upthread.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 16:51:29 2015 No.8634261

>>8634253

That's exactly what I'm getting at

It's covered not only in this thread

But every single thread with HL
Every single one.
It's sweet, I agree. Gothic influence? Totally. But every god damned it's mentioned someone says it's gothic and a thousand gothic lolitas poor out of the Internet to whine about it. Just don't buy it. No one is making you call it gothic.

>salty and sick of this

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 16:52:06 2015 No.8634263 >>8633590 >unethical boo fucking hoo, cry us scalpers a river

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 16:56:06 2015 No.8634266

>>8634261
I'm the one you originally quoted and I'm not even a gothic lolita. Chill the fuck out. If someone makes a mistake, it's okay to correct them, that's how they learn. It keeps getting rehashed because people are new and make the same mistake other new people have made before.

Seriously, I'd rather see 10 people asking "this is goth right?" than read another one of your stilted posts where you are acting upon a personal vendetta against standardized grammar and punctuation.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 17:02:49 2015 No.8634277
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Eh. Holy Lantern isn't really my thing. Like a lot of people, I'm kinda bummed about it not coming in the regular jsk cut though.

I'm still waiting for my shoes from BL. Tracking is finally working and it's supposedly just shipped. Any longer and there will be blood.

Unfortunately, most of my money has to go towards loans and bills (boooo), but hopefully I can still nab a baby jsk and an IW bow while they're still on sale by next week.

Ugh. I should have known better than to splurge on a couple of records. I'm dumb.

On a different note, someone asked about classic and gothic instagram accounts to follow in the old thread, and I'd also like to know who are any good ones to check out (currently following octave kitten - I love her traveling photos, so travel stuff is a plus).

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 17:15:17 2015 No.8634299 >>8634263 >bragging about being mentally handicapped

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 17:15:47 2015 No.8634301 >>8633605 You sound like a very hated person with no friends.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 17:16:01 2015 No.8634302

>>8634277

Yeah, I already have the high waist special set cut! I really wanted the red regular jsk!
Oh well, I know I look better in high waisted cuts so I better not complain
>hopefully cheaper second hand

I hate ordering from bodyline. It's either instantly or takes months it seems.

Good luck with getting your sale items!

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 17:23:48 2015 No.8634315 >>8633730 I am also curious. Does she have a few friends she dresses up and brings with her in order to get more or something?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 17:24:45 2015 No.8634317 File: 420 KB, 320x180, squee.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8634302 Thanks, lolianon. And good luck with finding the classic cut version! btw, does anyone have the nyc cgl email address saved somewhere?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 17:24:55 2015 No.8634318 >>8634315 she dresses her husband up. he speaks in a high falsetto and claims to be German and the japs don't know better so they let him pass.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 17:28:40 2015 No.8634322 >>8634318 but even then she'd only be able to get 4 main pieces, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 17:30:20 2015 No.8634323 >>8634317 do you mean the one used to organize the picnic?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 17:31:32 2015 No.8634325 >>8634322 Maybe she's robbing them

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 17:35:36 2015 No.8634332 File: 94 KB, 640x487, VFsXyX6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i laughed

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 17:38:07 2015 No.8634336 >>8634315 If I was a shopping service, or hell even just lived in japan and really liked an AP release, I would dress my friend up too and bring them with me so I could buy more.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 17:38:40 2015 No.8634338 >>8634332 Same, I saved it to my phone I love this

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 17:47:53 2015 No.8634354 >>8634217 Iktf I'm desperate for the AATP ragnarok print, I would buy it in anything that would fit me. But it seems expensive from what I've seen on LM, is this another holy lantern type print where everyone wants it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 18:01:19 2015 No.8634379 >>8633732 Fingers crossed for us, anon!

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 18:02:37 2015 No.8634385 Lace market's down again, same for everyone?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 18:04:57 2015 No.8634389 >>8634385 It's working for me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 18:07:11 2015 No.8634392 >>8633898 You can try, once I had an order that hadn't shipped and I emailed them about whether they could add another dress to it and they did. Just depends how fast they're getting through orders.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 18:08:45 2015 No.8634396 >>8634385 Working for me as well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 18:13:20 2015 No.8634404 >>8634389 >>8634396 Weird, it's not loading at all for me. welp

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 18:18:17 2015 No.8634417 >>8634392 Cool, thank you!

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 18:22:41 2015 No.8634426 >>8634299 dont forget to vote for Bernie Sanders :^)

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 18:30:08 2015 No.8634441 >>8634247 the hate on girlypoot was unreal this week

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 18:30:34 2015 No.8634442 >>8634441 Did she do something new?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 18:32:34 2015 No.8634448 >>8634247 so many secrets on the annoying girl i know. ftw. and none of them made by me!

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 18:33:29 2015 No.8634450

>>8634441
Well there's still loads and loads of hate going round for Isaki, I'm more surprised about that to be honest because I'm pretty sure she's not done anytthing new.

>>8634442
Yeah she attempted Larme with terrible results. Worse than Jillians attempts. Watch her videos in the last cringe thread, I'm not even being salty, they're so bad... Putting those videos onto the internet was like a self-burn

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 18:34:44 2015 No.8634452 >>8634442 >>8634450 I don't keep up with her directly. Mostly through her poor attempts of whatever thing that gets posted to cgl. Her make up skills are pretty disgusting though. I cant imagine what that much product would feel like on my face

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 18:40:17 2015 No.8634463 >>8634404 Earlier this week it wasn't loading at all for me either. I messed around with my DNS address by putting in a new one, messed that up, then re-selected to provide it automatically, and that fixed it for me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 18:40:21 2015 No.8634464 File: 12 KB, 318x373, 32423.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Has anyone else checked back to the Sweet Rebel indiegogo because I'm laughing so hard right now, funding ended yesterday and it couldn't have gone better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 18:53:02 2015 No.8634489 >>8634247 Does anyone have #15 without the secret text on it? It's perfect.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 18:55:33 2015 No.8634493 >>8634464 WHO DONATED THE DOLLAR I KNOW IT WAS SOMEONE FROM HERE

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 18:56:15 2015 No.8634497 >>8634241 I'm sorry but your comment really read out like Isaki's rant video.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 19:00:18 2015 No.8634505 >>8634497 That's because it probably is her.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 19:01:37 2015 No.8634508 >>8634464 When did it go back up? Last I looked a few weeks ago it had gotten taken down after she claimed that she didn't sign off on it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 19:03:36 2015 No.8634509 >>8634464 Can I ask what sweet rebel is? Google wasn't able to tell me and neither did googling the indiegogo Can't search the archive since on mobile

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 19:08:32 2015 No.8634519 >>8634509 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWjq4uYDh8g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64NOaXwL1HA

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 19:08:39 2015 No.8634520 >>8634509 It's the special snowflake ~welcome to my dark twisted fantasy~ documentary about girlyhoot

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 19:09:24 2015 No.8634522 >>8634509 I don't know why it won't show up on google. I had to find it through a twitter hashtag. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sweet-rebel#/story

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 19:12:04 2015 No.8634525 >>8634464 What I don't get is why did they bother wasting time to film the whole thing if they didn't have the money for production to begin with. Shouldn't you get the funds first and then do it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 19:18:21 2015 No.8634532 >>8634525 because the money was probably just to get a free vacation under the guise that it was for the movie

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 19:24:15 2015 No.8634542 >>8634519 Oh man. I saw the parody video and knew it was about Kate but never saw the source material. It is absolutely horrifying I had no idea how spot on that joke video was good lord.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 19:39:15 2015 No.8634556 >>8634385 Not working for me. It's been going in and out all week it seems. I've tried a different browser and just using my mobile phone when it goes down and it still doesn't connect.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 19:45:08 2015 No.8634566 >>8634389 It works for a bit for me and then suddenly the server cannot be found. Certain pages and searches will load fine, then suddenly "server not found" - it's weird and annoying.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:14:39 2015 No.8634600 >>8634323 I guess? Im still have plans on going to NYC, and I'd like to meetup when the time comes (and not get involved with the 4ever itas and lolcows).

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:19:42 2015 No.8634611 >>8634600 host anon used nycseagullpicnic2015 at gmail dot com but mentioned she wanted to make a more generic version. i am not sure this email is still active.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:23:53 2015 No.8634617 >>8634525 They didn't film it. They filmed a makeshift trailer for it to show what it COULD look like.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:36:12 2015 No.8634624 >>8634617 He's been filming though, just not getting material that's OTT or "juicy" enough to merit actually going to production yet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 20:57:29 2015 No.8634651 File: 207 KB, 1481x796, ewwwwwwwwww.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] can we take a moment to discuss girlyhoots makeup... with all the m,oney she spends on brand. why cant she afford makeup brushes...this is nasty.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:03:39 2015 No.8634662 >>8634651 not having any brushes is no excuse for this disgusting cakey mess

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:05:11 2015 No.8634666 >>8634651 ughhh i know. i really have nothing against her, to each their own. but jesus her makeup makes me want to puke.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:05:18 2015 No.8634667

>>8634651
Man that shit is so unfortunate. She coords so well, if she put as much or even like 1/3 of that effort into her makeup she would just be so much better.

But yeah some brushes would be good. Shit i bought some decent brushes from ebay and some beauty blenders for less than $20 total. Maybe i should send her a link.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:06:20 2015 No.8634668 >>8634651 >buys a shit load of dresses >can't afford different glasses >buys even more dresses >can't afford makeup brushes >still buying dresses >can't afford to point a camera at herself

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:13:02 2015 No.8634674 >>8634651 guys, please take a look at her nails. What is wrong with this girl?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:13:59 2015 No.8634676 >>8634667 All of her coords are just underskirts layered to her ankles though

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:15:12 2015 No.8634682 >>8634651 some people actually preach that foundation should be applied by hand to make it less streaky. That said, e.l.f. makes makeup brushes. They cost like $1 and are good enough for a beginner.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:17:18 2015 No.8634684 File: 16 KB, 355x355, 41DDG7j4zwL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8634674 $5 or less at the drugstore / target. Everyone who isn't a pro should have one of these. They help so much.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:18:52 2015 No.8634687 >>8634674 Her kickstarter got $1 for every nail she painted well (giving her benefit from the doubt because I can't see the thumb)

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:20:48 2015 No.8634691

>>8634667
She can get some elf brushes for $1-$3 a pop. They're not the best, but easy to get ahold of. Most my brushes are ELF but I've been meaning to invest in higher quality ones.

I think it may entirely be vision issues. I'm not sure how much her contacts correct her vision up close, but a lot of those problems are things you wouldn't notice with blurry vision or without having a good magnification mirror. I'm blind as a bat myself so I often have to put on my glasses and check for smudges/streaks or check the smoothness of my eyeliner. Sometimes this means traveling to different mirrors and practically putting my nose on the glass just to see if I did my makeup okay.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:24:43 2015 No.8634695 File: 65 KB, 630x357, English-Bulldog-.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8634651 >those forehead wrinkles well hello there churchy

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:25:47 2015 No.8634697 >>8634684 You can also put Vaseline on your skin around your nails before painting.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:29:09 2015 No.8634700 >>8634697 Normally I soak my hands in water for a few minutes and that softens the skin so the excess polish peels right off.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:32:46 2015 No.8634707

>>8633605
I dunno, while I agree that some of the blame does lie on AP due to not having enough stock (which is how things like scalping and replicas even become a problem in the first place) I think it's silly to think we can't put any blame on the scalpers. They are out to make a profit for themselves and none of that extra money even goes to AP, they are profiting so highly off someone else's work.
It strikes me as funny that scalping isn't really discussed as a harm to lolita (making some items near impossible to afford for most people) but replicas are? Anytime someone brings up replicas people go nuts, I understand where they are coming from but I feel like scalping is a huge contributing factor to how replicas are being made.
Personally, I think when it comes to prints that are old and long out of print, rarely are ever sold or go for an unreasonably high price then I don't blame a single person for buying a replica. If it is available and/or reasonably priced then you should buy an original. I think most lolita want an original if they can get it (in the west, anyway). But when it becomes incredibly scarce or costs a whole month's paycheque... then more people will go for replicas.
Scalpers only add to the scarcity of a print and are indirectly supporting replicas in a way. They do damage lolita and I think people have a right to be angry about it, the same way they are angry about replicas. They are profiting off AP's work unfairly. AP charge a rate they think is fair, it isn't right of scalpers to think they are justified in charging 200-400% of the original price.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:49:23 2015 No.8634722
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This is a stupid fucking retarded question, but how do I wear bracelets with long sleeves?
Do I just put a bracelet around the cuff of the sleeve?
Do I put it around my wrist and hope the sleeve doesn't cover it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:54:43 2015 No.8634729 >>8634509 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWjq4uYDh8g

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:56:33 2015 No.8634733 >>8634707 Don't hate on the scalpers, hate on the people who buy from them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:59:05 2015 No.8634735 >>8634733 This

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 21:59:16 2015 No.8634736 >>8634697 Nice tip. I need to remember to use that trick. I'm always getting the polish on my skin.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 22:03:13 2015 No.8634742 >>8634691 >>8634687 >>8634682 http://www.bhcosmetics.com/brushes Got a really good set of brushes from them, and they arrived really quickly. They're not too expensive either.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 22:07:38 2015 No.8634748

>>8634691
I have the WORST vision but I have never applied my makeup like that. She just uses too much, and even after the fact when she does wear her glasses she should be able to see all the cakey mistakes.

It's all about poor application. She's using too much and using her fingers to apply all of it. Even like a cheap ebay dollar beauty blender would make her application slightly better.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 22:08:04 2015 No.8634749

>>8634707
This.

Let's take Misty Sky for example. After the initial release, at minimum a dress alone would sell for $500-600+ depending on colorway. Another re-release and the prices haven't changed. Black colorway shoots up to 1k (if it wasn't there already, my memory on this exactly fails me), most often worn and used even in good shape. Now there's 3 re-releases and the prices are just now starting to creep a little bit below the 500 mark on less popular colors and cuts of later re-releases.

There are replicas in either iffy quality or decent quality depending on who makes it. The dress was likely re-released due to high demand and the fact replicas are a thing. But due to scalping, you still can't get your hands on this damn dress. People aren't willing to part with their dresses for much less than the bought it for. So someone who paid 1k for a black misty sky isn't going to end up selling it for $250 unless it's damaged or it's 10 years from now and nobody cares anymore.

Honestly, I own a number of dresses that I purchased for over the original price because they were sought after or popular. Namely, I tend to splurge after I have a good turnout in artist alley (1k or more) and I can justify spending 350-400 on a dress I've been searching for. $500 would be my limit, but I refuse to pay that much for only a dress. I'd better be getting the headbow, minimum for that cost.

I don't mind spending a little more from time to time. I really don't. But it's ridiculous when a new release hits, someone buys all the colorways and decides to part with their least favorites but sells them for double the cost.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 22:19:48 2015 No.8634758 >>8634749 such is hobby life though, lets me honest

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 22:25:36 2015 No.8634764

>>8634733
This is true to an extent, but don't you feel that the people buying are also in a hard position? It's either they fork out a ridiculous amount of money and encourage scalpers or buy a replica and get shit on for it. Both situations are not good. Both scalper and buyer are at fault but I feel like the buyer is only at fault because they're forced to be in that position.

>>8634749
Yeah exactly. When people start scalping it's such a problem because the people who bought the scalped prices will not lower the prices when trying to sell because then they've lost a lot of money (in their eyes).

Yeah, same. I think €200-350ish is fair for a dress, I don't mind spending that much. If it's for sale semi-regularly I'll buy it if it's reasonable! I think for most lolita, that's an ok price. But look at Holy Lantern. AP were selling the OP for €230 and scalpers sold it less than 12 hours later for €750. How on earth is that ok? For that reason I seriously don't judge anyone wanting to buy a replica of Holy Lantern. That is just taking the piss. It's not even going to AP so why support the scalpers?

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 22:44:44 2015 No.8634782

>>8634764
No one's forced to anything. Buying stuff is always a decision taken by the buyer. It's clothes, there're no necessity to them! So either cough up the 800usd to the scalper or get another dress. You'll probably look as beautiful in a non-popular dress anyway.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:08:53 2015 No.8634809

>>8634782
But if you're participating in a fashion then yes, you sort of are forced. Lets be real, it's no longer the odd print that's scalped. Almost every single new release of AP is put up at crazy prices almost immediately. Are people no longer supposed to buy new dresses from AP because of scalpers and go elsewhere?
The choice to cough up $800 to a scalper shouldn't even be a thing. You shouldn't have to buy dresses you don't really like because scalpers are making AP prices ridiculous. Do you not see how that's wrong?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:21:27 2015 No.8634823 >>8634809 I've even started seeing AP dresses that were put on sale be scalped. It's getting really ridiculous.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:27:34 2015 No.8634827

>>8634782
>>8634809
Just to add to this; Lolita dresses are already quite costly. Buying a "less popular dress" isn't something most people will do (nor should they be made feel that's the only alternative). It's an appearance based hobby. Why would you even want to participate in it when you cannot look the way you desire? The average dress is about $300, why should you have to throw down that much money just to settle for a dress you don't even really like that much because all your favourites are ruined by scalping prices? I know that it's something that's done right now but it should be something the community as a group should be actively working towards discouraging.
We already did it with replicas, everyone is too ashamed now to admit they want them/have bought them despite them being accepted pre-2012 because people knew it was damaging to Lolita. Scalping is just as wrong. Brand themselves hate scalpers, that's why they try to limit what you buy. It's not fair to the makers of the clothes for you to earn a $500 mark up when they're the ones who put in all the work making them. Just like replicas are benefiting off brands' works, so is scalping. It's definitely something I think needs to be talked about more in this hobby.

>>8634823
This. AP is getting sold out whenever they sell anything nowadays and people are marking the prices up immediately. It's becoming harder for people to afford AP now. It'd be different if AP set those prices themselves but they have pretty reasonable prices.

Anonymous Sat Sep 26 23:39:06 2015 No.8634840

>>8634827
>>8634764
Scalpers are also despised/shunned from a lot of other communities; I don't know why lolitas are so lenient with them.

Thankfully I mostly like older AP and Baby pieces that don't go for too much, so I personally don't suffer, but it's ridiculous what AP releases are like any more. If they'd been like this when I first started buying brand directly (~2011), I probably would have gotten fed up and stopped even trying.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:06:56 2015 No.8634865 >>8634691 Cheap brushes are alright but the sephora brand ones are worth every penny, it makes my skin look completely perfect

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:18:07 2015 No.8634872

>>8634809
See, I think this is all of AP's doing. They make their dresses hard to obtain to begin with. It's really sad that that's considered the norm to get it scalped or even paying an additional 50-100 above retail to make up for shipping and SS fees. AP can fix this if they bring back reservations or pre-orders to meet a bigger chunk of the demand rather than treating everything as a limited edition but they seem to take pride in that instead

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:31:40 2015 No.8634885

>>8633325
I tried to request the same from Chibi in the past, but think about it anon, would you be able to keep up and remember everyone who wants a slot 'if this release happens?' There's gonna be a tidal wave of emails and then going through back logs of the 'in case this happens' ppl only to find many had probably moved on and changed their mind? It's too hard.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:32:25 2015 No.8634888

>>8634840
I don't know, either. I'm inclined to believe it's because brand has a high resale value so a lot of people are relying on their prints going up in price so they can get a lot of money back when they leave the fashion. Or at least that's the only reason I can think of.

>>8634872
Yes, it's true that AP is the root of the problem. I can't deny this. If they had a better system in place we wouldn't have a scalping and replica problem like we do right now.
I think that AP are way bigger now than they were a couple years ago (all of a sudden, I mean). There is a much larger market for Lolita nowadays I feel with more people buying online worldwide. But they're still treating it like the fanbase is small... I know it's niche but they do not have anywhere near as much stock as they should for their fans. Pre-orders would be a good way to go, I think they need to look at their business model. It kind of shocks me because they could be making a lot more money selling more dresses if they appeased their fans so I don't see why they're already not doing that (not to mention pay for better servers so their damn site doesn't crash on every single release).

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:38:55 2015 No.8634895

>>8634888
>Pre-orders would be a good way to go, I think they need to look at their business model. It kind of shocks me because they could be making a lot more money selling more dresses if they appeased their fans so I don't see why they're already not doing that (not to mention pay for better servers so their damn site doesn't crash on every single release).
this. they are losing money because people will go to replicas and scalpers when AP runs out.

as for scalpers, name and shame them the way we have done with Milanoo storefronts and replica-chans. make it embarrassing to be caught in a scalping deal. if someone resells at an inflated price before most people in the western community have even received their properly-purchased orders, that's a problem.

to the whining scalpers in this thread: at least pretend you bought the dress (or skirt, lol) for yourself. take a coord shot, then "decide" it's not for you before reselling. you'll look a lot less like an ass.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 00:40:07 2015 No.8634898

>>8634872
>>8634888
I think I read somewhere that AP took to this business model as more of a reputation thing, that instead of doing like everyone else and using preorders/reservations/restocking they allow these massive bloodbath releases for what becomes rare and highly sought-after dresses. That way even though they aren't making as much money as they could, they have this reputation of ~exclusivity~ and ~elite~ to wearing an AP print. Basically they don't just want to be popular and successful, they want to head the cool kids' table at the frilly lunch room.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:09:16 2015 No.8634932 >>8634898 >they want to head the cool kids' table at the frilly lunch room. Kek

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:14:22 2015 No.8634939

>>8634722
For me it depends on both the sleeve cuff and the bracelet style, I do both depending. If the cuff is flared/ruffled a lot, I'll wear the bracelet usually over the smallest part of the cuff before the flared part if it will fit the bulk under. If it's a straight sleeve/cuff I'll wear the bracelet usually on my wrist after the cuff.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:18:09 2015 No.8634942
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>>8633563

Different anon. Slide it in from the top of your head, not the front or back.

You need to have hair in front of the headband so that you can frame your face, it makes a huge difference. If your hair actually gets in your way, pin them back discreetly with pins. The headbow is only decorative, don't use it to actually keep hair out of your face.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:19:20 2015 No.8634946 >>8634682 People who say that are dumb as fuck. Tight circles with a dense, round brush. Not that hard, and you will NEVER have streaks.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:31:38 2015 No.8634955

This debate about scalpers is like the ones the BJD community face too. There's a limited amount of a limited edition dolls or it's only exclusive to one area and then it can go form $500usd straight beyound $1.5k in a single day due to demand but the companies don't want to make more even though there is a demand for that certain doll. Then recast (replicas) are made for lesser quality but for a cheaper price and people are willing to buy those because the original ones are too much now. Komani does the same thing for yugioh but there's no fakes to use for competitions and are illegal to use in the game so we either have to get lucky and spend a shit ton to get one card or suck it down and spend over $100+usd on one single card due to rarity and scalpers.

Scalpers are everywhere honestly and not just a lolita thing but in lolita, it's more common and replicas are a thing that brands always say to not buy from but they don't want to shell out to do MTO or pre-orders so there's enough for the demand.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:35:29 2015 No.8634959

>>8634895
Lately, I've only been buying directly from AP when there's been a MTO. I've been emailing when a particular release I really loved sells out quickly. Either that, or I stick to smaller non-series specific accessories, socks, purses and the like or generally unpopular things. Most of my money ends up being spent on the 2nd hand market getting older items I've been wanting rather than keeping up with the current trends. I don't mind, but there are occasionally new releases that I really love.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:39:42 2015 No.8634965

>>8634898
Pretty much. If they were interested in satisfying their customers, they would have adopted the same practices as the other brands. However, it's counter-intuitive to fight against replicas and scalpers by only releasing a set amount of stock.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:42:07 2015 No.8634969

>>8634733
But scalpers absolutely prey on stupid/newer lolitas with money who a. are incredibly hype for a print and b. don't know that there are alternatives for getting the print (waiting patiently for secondhand sales). I'm going to be extra generous, actually. I'd say they prey on some decently smart lolitas too. For example, we don't know what the second release of Holy Lantern's going to be worth in a few months when people really decide some pieces don't suit them. It could be significantly less than the first release because now the print's not as rare. It could be more because the cuts are more flattering or more coveted. Say for whatever reason--like a lot of people in the thread--you missed out on your dream item. A scalper's offering it for 60-100 bucks more. Now, if you're desperate? You might buy it from them now because you're not sure how much more expensive this will be months from now, and maybe you're one of the one's that's been waiting on that print for a long time.

Are the people buying brilliant? No. But "don't hate the scalpers :((" is pathetic and Ihave to wonder what's the ulterior motive behind saying that.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:50:01 2015 No.8634976

>>8634946
It wastes product. Especially if it's just BB Cream. It looks like that and concealer were the only things she was using for the base of her face. All she had to do was fucking spread things evenly or pay attention to what she was doing. Or just--not GLOB it on in the first place.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 01:56:36 2015 No.8634983

>>8634969
I agree with you partially, as much as I loathe scalping, but I just feel like if people wouldn't validate scalping by buying at inflated prices (i.e. waiting it out until the scalper lowers the price in order to sell) there would be less inclination to scalp.
The reason why scalpers know they'll be successful: there will always be a desperate buyer paranoid if they don't take the opportunity for a popular print at that moment they might not get another opportunity to buy; buyers with enough disposable income may be more willing to take the financial hit even though they're aware the dress isn't actually worth that much knowing they couldn't likely resell for that amount later.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:01:45 2015 No.8634987 >>8634976 If she needs to slather that much bb cream on she should really ditch it and get real foundation. BB cream is on the low end for coverage.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:01:52 2015 No.8634988 http://page7.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/g159956229 JESUS I own this dress and I didn't know it was this sort after!

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:02:36 2015 No.8634990 >>8634983 You're right, I'm with you there. I guess it's hard not to see it in the context of Holy Lantern right now for me--if any release was going to cause desperation it was going to be this one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:03:59 2015 No.8634992 >>8634988 All the chinks are bidding on it. Good luck trying to get the same amount in western secondhand market.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:04:13 2015 No.8634993 >>8634988 >sort you Australian m8?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:06:43 2015 No.8634994 >>8634992 why do westerners complain about how much chinese lolitas buy and sell for like westerners weren't the worst scalping shitheads until chinese girls got into the game

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:08:48 2015 No.8634995

>>8634809
>>8634707
>>8634840

The problem with discussing scalpers are the bloody newbies. These idiots ran around caling everybody selling any dress they can't afford a scalper. A secondhand dress being sold for $200 instead of $100? Scalper. A popular dress on auction being bid up higher than retail? Scalper. A BNWT dress being sold for exactly retail, even though logic tells you the lolita selling it lost money on shipping and SS fees alone? Someone threw a hissy fit over a lacemarket auction for Dolly Cat (1st release) starting at exactly retail price, demanding that the prices for secondhand goods should always be lower than retail, regardless of marketprice or condition.

Then there are the 4-year-old dresses being sold at $800. Logic will tell you scalpers won't take chances gambling on a dress and holding it for 4 years hoping its value triples, some of the girls selling their rare prints have to be real lolitas to own an item for that long. But no, apparently they're all scalpers for pricing their items at market value. You have to realise that if they had priced their items at retail/lower than retail, then it actually opens up a space where scalpers can come in, buy the dress, then turn around and resell at market price. If an item that's four years old is actually going for $800, I'd rather the money goes to the lolita who owned the dress for 4 years than insist they should all take a loss while potentially allowing a scalper to move in an make a profit.

All this noise makes it very difficult to discuss the real scalpers, where people who go in and buy stuff, turn around and re-sell it for instant profit. Ideally we'd like to shame them out of the comm, but for every one time someone legit finds a scalper, there's another 99 times where some newbie uses the term to mean "this person is selling this for higher than I can afford! Let's name & shame them so they drop the price and I can get the dress at a discount!".

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:09:37 2015 No.8634997 >>8634994 Cos they're poorfags and were too slow to acquire the dresses they feel entitled to have.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:10:09 2015 No.8634998 >>8634992 Fair enough. I wasn't planning to sell my dress anytime soon anyway (or ever)... >>8634993 Wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:16:46 2015 No.8634999 >>8634994 >>8634997 >state a fact >"OMG FILTHY POORFAG WESTERN SCUM" tirade u 10/10 platinum mad, chinky chongies :^)

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:29:01 2015 No.8635009 >>8634998 where are you from? pronouncing "sought" as "sort" is a bit distinctive

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:30:04 2015 No.8635010 >>8634542 what's the parody?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:30:47 2015 No.8635011 >>8635009 It was probably just a typo resulting from autocorrect

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:32:53 2015 No.8635015 >>8634136 All on the top are otome, not lolita.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:41:23 2015 No.8635023

>>8634959

i used to do that. i found i fall out of love when it comes to mto. too long of a wait and too many efame gals posting their's to bore me out of wanting the pieces anymore. not to mention, sometimes ap restocks online, but i can't buy cause i already paid for the mto and have to wait it out hence

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:49:04 2015 No.8635039 can anyone link me to the sales post that says holy lantern is being released again on the 29th?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:50:20 2015 No.8635041 >>8634988 Lol, it was on Violet Blue for like $150 last week

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 02:53:51 2015 No.8635044 >>8635039 Do you mean yesterday's release?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 03:13:58 2015 No.8635073 >>8635009 It's because I'm an idiot and didn't remember it's spelt as 'sought', sadly I can't blame autocorrect on it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 03:22:28 2015 No.8635083 >>8635041 I almost bought it and was like "naaaah not today" fml

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 03:28:05 2015 No.8635087 >>8634988 It went for $1000 on Lacemarket a bit ago, too.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 04:40:34 2015 No.8635154

Worn threads seem to always be relatively unsuccessful unless someone is looking for a really common dress, would it be appropriate to ask for worn photos here? I want some inspiration but don't want to start a whole thread for something that'll sage at like 45 replies.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 04:53:27 2015 No.8635168
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Does anyone have experience with Excentrique vest sizing? I have a S/M (56-74cm) that fits my 65cm waist. M/L supposedly goes from 64-82. Do you think M/L would fit me and still look good?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 05:13:15 2015 No.8635173 >>8634995 Bless this post. This is something I didn't think of touching on in my earlier post - scalpers suck. But what gets called "scalping" often just isn't. Newbies have such a kneejerk reaction to the reality of how much this hobby costs.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 05:19:04 2015 No.8635176

>>8634995
>Then there are the 4-year-old dresses being sold at $800. Logic will tell you scalpers won't take chances gambling on a dress and holding it for 4 years hoping its value triples, some of the girls selling their rare prints have to be real lolitas to own an item for that long.

Depends if the dress has damages but otherwise I agree. If the dress shows obvious signs of wear and doesn't have a like new condition anymore then I don't really believe those lolitas have justifiable grounds to resell for the scalped prices that they paid. Clothes depreciate with wear, it's a sad fact but true.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 05:35:43 2015 No.8635186 >>8634266 If someone tried to do a sweet coord with HL yall would flip your shit and you know it. There's a reason it only looks good paired with darker colors.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 05:43:10 2015 No.8635190 File: 126 KB, 500x665, so gawthik.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8635186 It can be coorded to be more gothic but it works perfectly fine in sweeter looks. This mythical "yall" that would flip shit over it does not include me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 05:48:40 2015 No.8635194 File: 80 KB, 360x480, 2334.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8635186 What the fuck are you talking about? Everyone and their mum does a fucking sweet coord with it. Black does not equal gothic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 05:53:25 2015 No.8635196 File: 52 KB, 491x640, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8635186 Yeah, because nothing dark can be sweet.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 06:00:42 2015 No.8635199

>>8635186
>If someone tried to do a sweet coord with HL yall would flip your shit and you know it.
what planet have you been living on?

what version of /cgl/ exists there?

you seem so confident while being so wrong, i have to assume you come from another world line.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 06:11:36 2015 No.8635209

>>8635176
See, you're still demanding lower prices based on your subjective opinion of what you think the value should be. Maybe other girls don't mind the damages. Maybe 800 is a fair price for a dress that would have gone for even more if brand new with tag. Maybe they're delusional, or they're greedy opportunistic bastards.

But they hung on to the dress for four years instead of raking in a profit in the first year, plus they wore it enough times to show some damage. This suggests that they are active Lolitas, and they probably loved the dress just as much as you did. These aren't scalpers, and they have no control over which dresses rocket in value and which dresses drop to no value at all, they just got lucky that someone is willing to pay that much for a used dress.

Feel free to call them out for being delusional bitches or greedy pigs, or call out the buyers for having more money than sense, though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 06:46:42 2015 No.8635253 >>8634988 If I had the funds I'd be all over this, that dress is beautiful in person.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 06:52:11 2015 No.8635263 >>8635168 It'll fit alright but it won't be nearly as flattering.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 07:42:55 2015 No.8635319

>>8634827
I seriously do not understand this. It's not like every single pretty dress is being scalped. I've seen AP's print dresses go for 150 usd second hand, baby normal regular-popular prints go for 200 at the most, I won't even mention smaller brands like IW or mary magdalene, you can easily find beautiful dresses for less than 200. But if this is a "I only want to wear the latest AP prints or I won't feel happy" then get it on the release and avoid scalpers. It's not even that difficult if you try hard enough.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 07:51:19 2015 No.8635324

>>8634888
I think the root of all evil are the chinese lolitas who are too rich for all the rest of us to keep up. I still remember the good old days when the most expensive of the dresses would go for like 500usd and normal popular releases for like 300. Then chinese lolitas came in and now prices sky rocket to 1,000usd and up.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 07:53:58 2015 No.8635326

>>8635209
>damage
>it's subjective
No, damaged brand always sells for less. I'm not "demanding" anything by pointing out that objective fact. I don't think scalpers is the correct term for these sellers, but they simply won't be selling their dresses for what they paid if they demand over-retail for damages. It doesn't happen.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 08:26:39 2015 No.8635346
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>>8635319
being honest the scalping is mostly an AP based problem. There is no other brand where releases are that much of a bloodbath on a regular basis only to find them hours after the realease on mbok for ridicouls high prices. And exactly this behaviour i find the most problematic. They are already not enough dresses, yet you have at least 10 if not even more poeple only buying these on release to scalp.
Unfortunatly even if when shun that behavoir like we did with replicas it won't have much impact bacuase it's happening in the asian market, directly at the source. Only AP can do something about that, but obviously they don't seem willing to, which fucking sucks.
Only thing that's left is stalk update sites like crazy and pray to the loligods to be the fastest when sending a message to an instore SS. Sad but true.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 08:27:10 2015 No.8635348

>>8635319
I'm just going to greentext this again
>It's an appearance based hobby. Why would you even want to participate in it when you cannot look the way you desire?
>The average dress is about $300, why should you have to throw down that much money just to settle for a dress you don't even really like that much because all your favourites are ruined by scalping prices?

People can't control what they like. If what someone likes is mostly AP then it's very unfair to say "well that's the way it is lol pay the scalpers or you can't dress the way you want". That's not the attitude that we should have. Again scalping damages lolita, we should be working to discourage this.
This is not a limitation set by AP, this is one set by random people greedy to make a buck. How do you think it's fair for them to decide people need to pay at least double nowadays when AP releases a print?
Look at the market right now. Every recently released AP print IS being scalped. Every print is selling out nowadays even if it's ugly and instantly going up in sales groups/lacemarket.
>Buying at release isn't difficult if you try hard enough
This has to be a joke. Their site crashes anytime there is a release and it's incredibly difficult.

>>8635209
>>8634995
Hmm, I don't know what to think of this. I have never seen newbies screaming about scalping but I'll take your word for it and agree that that's wrong. I can see that making it difficult to talk about the issue.
In regards to dress, I kind of agree with what both you and the other person arguing. The rarer a dress gets it goes up in value, I get that. But the other person is right too, dresses wear away over time and clothes' value does decrease over time for this reason. I'm not really sure what to think.

>>8634983
Right. There needs to be a serious mentality change in regards to scalping. It's really becoming a problem as of late and shouldn't be so shrugged off.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 08:32:05 2015 No.8635349

>>8635346
welcome to limited supply goods 101
if someone can make a buck off it, they will

my work faces that problem too. we sell things and people go nuts about them, buy them up, scalp for higher. it's good for us because we aren't sitting on dead inventory but bad for consumers. dead inventory sucks, especially when your higher-ups don't seem to get it and keep making purchase orders for things that don't sell in the sizes they keep buying (usually the big ones).

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 08:37:34 2015 No.8635352 >>8634464 It says the 26th for me. I think it is just saying it is closed. Not that it closed on that date as it has been closed for a long while now.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 08:39:30 2015 No.8635353

>>8635324
I totally agree. I make 100k a year and I still can't keep up with them. I think I also realize that this is a hobby and putting down $1000 on a dress is a little much, even if I really want it. I'm not sure what their mentality is towards that, but from their buying habits it seems they are always willing to drop mad amounts of money left and right for things.

Funny side note, this fashion even at it's most expensive it cheaper than /fa/ fashion. Burberry charges like $500 for just a scarf. While shoes can easily for $2,500. Not to justify the scalping prices, but in comparison to being "fashionable" it's still much less expensive.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 08:40:29 2015 No.8635355 Are there any news on Holy Lantern? Did anyone who mailed them for a potential MTO get an response? There is a ontact button on the items page; would it make sense to contact them through this button?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 08:42:42 2015 No.8635357 >>8635355 I'd like to know this too. I think I'd cry if a MTO was possible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 08:48:49 2015 No.8635363 >>8635355 >>8635357 I emailed them here: https://angelicpretty-onlineshop.com/contact/index.php

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 08:49:18 2015 No.8635364 >>8635355 I was one of the sad people who emailed them about a MTO pretty soon after it sold out, no response yet but it is Sunday... Maybe on Monday or Tuesday? If at all. We can dream.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 08:56:25 2015 No.8635370

>>8634995
I agree with a lot of this. Even in my local comm some people occasionally bitch about prices. Like some girl, when linked to a Honey Cake auction on our dream dress discussion (since she'd said she was looking), started being like "Ugh this is so expensive and overpriced! Who would pay $400 for a dress that was less than $300 retail!!"
People who don't understand that value can increase depending on demand are stupid, but I still think the community needs to have a serious discussion about scalping.
Also agreeing that scalping is 95% an AP problem. There are some shitty people who buy up stuff at Closet Child/auction and then sell it in their "shops" or whatever with a 50~100+% markup, and I hate them too, but they're not so much of a problem imo.
>>8635324
Honestly, kind of this. There are so many super rich Chinese people who can just throw money at lolita like no other. My Japanese friend said she's really noticed a change in auctions and in-store releases the last 3-5years. And like, whatever, they can do what they want with their money, but it makes it a lot harder for everyone else used to the old prices/system. Like another anon said, I really don't think AP has adjusted production to suit their larger customer base.
>>8635349
Except your model/situation with "purchase orders" and shit doesn't apply to lolita brands at all. They're not run like your average store.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 08:59:39 2015 No.8635373 >>8635363 Does anyone know what the term for a MTO is? I could do a literal translation but I'm wondering if there's a term they use before I email them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 09:00:48 2015 No.8635375 >>8635373 I am not sure, but I think it translates to "order production" ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 09:03:16 2015 No.8635376 >>8635373 I just told them I was disappointed and sad that I wasn't able to get a dress on release. I said that they should have more dresses. I tried to keep it really simple for google translate.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 09:08:27 2015 No.8635380

>>8635370
do they run their own factory or do everything inhouse?
we make a PO with a clothing factory and arrange for all the fabric and such to show up there, they make our clothes, we sell them. either you have someone else make your clothes or you do everything in tiny batches in house (and our batches from factory are pretty small by industry standards; a run can have a few hundred garments in all sizes).

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 09:13:12 2015 No.8635381 >>8633289 it's quite sweet so I'm a bit surprised how well it's taken to the goth crowd

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 09:15:32 2015 No.8635384

>>8635373
受注生産 (じゅちゅうせいさん) is "made to order" or "built to order manufacturing."

You can also just email them in English.
Also, mention you had server issues. I feel like they're more likely to sympathize if they realize a lot of people couldn't even access the site.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 09:33:39 2015 No.8635390 >>8635384 Thank you! I sent them an email.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 09:36:52 2015 No.8635394 Do you think the high waisted HL JSK could work for someone with a larger bust? Or no? Should I hold out for a possible future re-release of the zipper JSK?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 09:39:10 2015 No.8635396 >>8635039 Look at Lolita Sales Worldwide, it's on the comments of one of the WTBs. I'm pretty sure the girl who said it is full of shit though.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 09:52:41 2015 No.8635415

>>8633253
I made a reservation for the Black version of Sacred Night, with headbow and necklace.
Good thing I had extra money this month, otherwise I would have had to sell something off in order to afford this.
Very happy with my decision though, this has always been a dream dress of mine.
I will probably sell off the skirt I already own, never wore that cause I'm not a fan of skirts.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 10:00:53 2015 No.8635424

>>8635370
>There are some shitty people who buy up stuff at Closet Child/auction and then sell it in their "shops" or whatever with a 50~100+% markup, and I hate them too, but they're not so much of a problem imo.

Frankly, I don't mind this kind of scalper because most of the in-store only CC items are items the broad audience of us are never going to see or have access to, you won't unless you go to Japan yourself and shop the stores. So I honestly prefer to think of them as a preemptive shopping service. I've found a decent couple wishlist dresses through those kinds of services. Obviously that's not counting the ones that aren't in Japan and just buy from the online shops/auction, but only the in-store ones.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 10:07:43 2015 No.8635432

>>8635424
It's not only in store items, though. I've seen people like Kitty Carousel and Takoyaki buy dresses off CC online and then resell them (clearly the same dress/item with the same flaws) for way more. I actually vowed to never buy from anyone like that again after I had three items bought out from under me and resold for like twice the price.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 10:15:44 2015 No.8635438 >>8635432 I had this too. No matter what they are selling, I don't buy from Kitty Carousel and Takoyaki Co on principle now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 10:24:33 2015 No.8635445 >>8635438 >>8635432 At least KC has reasonable prices on accessories though. Takoyaki is on some other shit

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 10:25:20 2015 No.8635446
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I was thinking of this while reading the secrets. Why is it that girls who wear a hijab with Lolita as an accessory are questioned on their faith and legitimacy when no one bats an eye at crosses and Christian symbolism worn in Lolita? Pagan items too. Is it because the hijab is an efame grab and we want to put that type of girl in her place ? Or because hijab usually just doesn't look good?

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 10:26:37 2015 No.8635447

Closet child has been scalping popular dress on their online store as well. It's just basic second hand market dynamics. No one complains about cheaper than retail dresses on LM or Y!Auctions or mbok. Its only salty people who can't buy their dream dresses who complain about scalping. Then they turn back and scalp the shit out of whatever they have too. That goes for you too, cgl. Ask yourselves: if you have holy lantern or some other popular release, will YOU sell it for under $300? No? Then shut up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 10:31:44 2015 No.8635452 Did anyone see the HL rerelease that was just posted on LM? I didn't see a price on it though. What does that mean?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 10:34:44 2015 No.8635455 >>8635452 It means that the seller forgot to put a price up for the auction amount

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 10:35:40 2015 No.8635456

>>8635446
There are a few reasons.
1. Most people wearing crosses or Christian/Pagan imagery are probably not religious. These things have filtered down into general fashion over the years and therefor are not necessarily indicative of one's religious beliefs.
The hijab, on the other hand, is really only worn by religious people (at least in the West), and I am willing to bet people would scream cultural appropriation if people began to wear it as a mere accessory.
2. People like the girl in pic related only started to wear the hijab after the whole "hijabi lolita" bs, and this, paired with other things (like the images in that secret), make people question if it's just an efame grab.
3. Hijabs are hard to work with, and most people don't style them to work with lolita. So, yes, they get shit for looking bad.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 10:39:02 2015 No.8635459

>>8634898
You are over simplifying things.

AP has a number of sewing houses that they work with. Each of these sewing houses has a limit of how many pieces they can make in a period of time. For AP to increase production they need either a longer time between idea and sale (harder to stay trendy), to release fewer looks per year (more risk if something doesn't sell out), or to use larger or more sewing houses (larger investment upfront in each release).

AP already does increase production on items they think will sell well, yes, but operating the way they do ensures that they don't have the problem IW has, which is that 3/4 of what they make goes on sale, so people won't buy it new.

even ~5 years ago, AP had this problem. People would wait for things to hit the second hand market and not buy new, so AP was losing sales.

It's a balance. These are all still small companies with small profit margins. They can't afford to just make tons more clothing and hope it will sell.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 10:41:48 2015 No.8635464 >>8635446 Hijabs aren't really worn for fashion. Clearly because they are ugly compared to say a loose head scarf. You might get less shit on for wearing Islamic jewelry.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 10:41:57 2015 No.8635467

>>8635447
It's funny how the newbs and the people who defend scalping use the same numbers/arguments.
No one is saying that selling Holy Lantern for $300+ is scalping. They /are/ saying that buying a dress with only the intention of listing it on mbok/y!japan/LM at a jacked up price (like that one on Mbok that was up within hours of the in-store release for over 500 dollars as a starting bid) are scalping.
We're having a pretty good discussion on causes/effects of scalping in the community, and I think this is going rather well, so I don't know why you felt the need to come in and act like a child telling everyone to shut up. Even if it is "market dynamics," you can expect and enforce certain ethical standards, which plenty of collecting/selling+buying-based hobbies do.
Also, why would people complain about cheaper than retail dress on LM? That makes no sense.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 10:42:36 2015 No.8635468 >>8634667 Send ME a link, anon!

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 10:46:52 2015 No.8635474 >>8635468 nigga look at >>8634742

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 10:52:33 2015 No.8635479 >>8635380 AP uses multiple sewing houses / garment factories, though I have heard of the actual designers making some of the older accessories in house, but I don't know how common that is/was.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 10:54:13 2015 No.8635481

>>8635446
Sweeping generalizations, but when lolitas wear crosses and religious motifs
>the motifs are already a part of the print/accessories, it was not something they needed to change or add to Lolita to make it different from everyone else because muh religion
>they usually aren't making a big deal, or even mentioning, or even are, any particular religion at all, it's just for an aesthetic that already exists within lolita.

When lolitas wear hijab
>they are not a part of typical lolita items, designs, or silhouette, but rather changing a big part of what makes lolita lolita over something some people feel is another, contradictory (especially with religions that teach some form of monetary or opulence modesty) personal, choice and not a necessity, which is having a size balanced, cute hair style
>poster usually mentions muh religion a lot and it feels very attention grabby and insincere.

If people who had to deco cute prosthetics or wheelchairs instead of having Lolita shoes, we wouldn't diss them because they didn't choose to do this special snowflake fashion AND be a special, snowflake amputee, and they don't have a Facebook full of photos of them suddenly walking around in stilettos and dancer platforms.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 10:56:22 2015 No.8635482 >>8635474 >$21.95 base cost international shipping I was hoping that the eBay shop anon used would have better shipping.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 11:04:59 2015 No.8635489 File: 134 KB, 1068x318, Screen Shot 2015-09-27 at 11.04.22 AM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] kek

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 11:05:09 2015 No.8635490 >>8635263 Thanks. Flattery is all I'm looking for.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 11:15:17 2015 No.8635502 >>8635489 >more than a 100% markup Fools and their money.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 11:23:05 2015 No.8635512 >>8635489 there is 17 different holy lantern pieces on yahoo auctions right now...

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 11:31:53 2015 No.8635519 >>8635489 Pinoream is such a shitty scalper. God damn. Who is she, even? I don't think it's the LM account of any Tokyo lolitas I know.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 11:40:53 2015 No.8635528 >>8635519 I'm pretty sure it's a guy and it's definitely a scalper, I see them do this nearly every release.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 11:55:37 2015 No.8635539 >>8634674 That was what I was staring at. I'm used to people being shitty at make-up, but who is OK with nails that look like that? Gross. Go to a nail technician, richtoot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 11:58:25 2015 No.8635544 >>8635490 That's alright. I own bustiers in each size and my waist is roughly the same as yours. The larger ones still looks nice, but it's obvious that the smaller size is much better.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 11:59:00 2015 No.8635545 >>8634651 Sometimes I swear to god she is a troll. That has to be it. Everything she does is a ploy to just troll4lulz and somewhere she is writing this huge doctoral arts about fringe cultures and human behavior. Please let this be the realz.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 11:59:29 2015 No.8635546 File: 38 KB, 521x179, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8635489 There is already JSK set up too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 12:05:54 2015 No.8635557 >>8635370 >There are some shitty people who buy up stuff at Closet Child/auction and then sell it in their "shops" or whatever with a 50~100+% markup, and I hate them too stop complaining that you're too poorfag to make such a gamble.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 12:06:38 2015 No.8635559 new thread >>8635558

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 13:45:50 2015 No.8635740
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>>8635544
Luckily I managed to get a size S/M (or so I hope).
If you buy first hand have you ever bought directly from the excentrique store or used an SS? lorinaliddell takes so long to update their site half of the things I want are already sold out.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 13:50:23 2015 No.8635747

>>8634651
You don't even need an expensive brush or expensive make-up. I use the brushes from my local drugstore which cost around 2$, and foundation around 10$, and it looks nice and even. I don't even get how you cannot see the streaks, and especially how can you make a video with such bad painted finger nails ???

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 27 14:22:49 2015 No.8635793 >>8635168 it'll be too big

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 14:37:09 2015 No.8635809

>>8635209
>See, you're still demanding lower prices based on your subjective opinion of what you think the value should be. Maybe other girls don't mind the damages.
Are you high? No damaged or worn/threadbare dress should EVER be sold what you'd pay for it mint. You're calling lolitas demanding here and asking that they give leeway to someone's sentimental feelings about their dress. Fuck that. If it's so sentimental, keep it or be an adult and accept that your dress is worth less now.
You make it sound like you're heavily invested in selling your shit for a huge profit and want people to feel like assholes if they challenge your prices.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 15:18:25 2015 No.8635869

While everyone's still angry about this:
>people need to stop expecting to get the same price that they paid for an item after wearing it multiple times
>people need to stop overpaying for shit and then trying to make other people overpay when they sell it again.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 15:36:32 2015 No.8635902

>>8635869
This.
I also think we need to divide a line between something appreciating in value due to rarity and something being scapled for ridiculous prices.
I dunno if anyone else realizes this but in a couple of years if things keep going at the same pace the market will crash because no one will buy them for those prices and people will opt for indie brands or replicas instead.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 16:20:41 2015 No.8636008

>>8635353
True. I went to a Chanel store a few months ago and there was a handful of younger Chinese girls in there buying up whatever they wanted. Each walked out with at least 2 bags full of Chanel stuff. My friend that was with me bought a quilted clutch bag that cost $1,500 and even that price made me gasp. Can't even imagine how much those Chinese customers spent.

Anonymous Sun Sep 27 23:21:16 2015 No.8636746

>>8635326
>>8635348
>>8635809

Anons, please.

When someone tries to sell a threadbare dress for three times the retail price, you call it overpriced. You call the seller a delusional greedy pig. You call the buyer a desperate newbie. You can step back and wonder what kind of world lolita is when people pay $800 for a threadbare dress that sold for a mere $300 brand new. You point and laugh at them.

Take a note, I said this is wrong too. I agree with you that threadbare dresses should not be sold for that much.

But just because it's wrong does not mean it's automatically scalping. Take note that scalping is a very specific term where someone buys limited item and then turns around and resells at markup for profit.

The other part is where one of you keeps insisting secondhand goods should always be sold under retail without caring for the price or the condition. You don't realise, newbies are reading your posts and taking their own interpretation. What is the dress, and what is the condition? A Misty Sky that has holes in it and is falling apart? Totally overpriced. But if it was Puppet Circus and the only "worn" part is that the dress is NOT brand new? Who are you going to laugh at, the newbie who thinks they can get Puppet Circus for under $300 just because it's worn and therefore must be threadbare by now, or the seller who priced it at $800 instead of $1300 because she doesn't think $1300 for a worn dress sounds right?

Again, this only muddies the issue. Use the term scalper properly, and we can actually get somewhere. Don't throw the lolitas who merely made a mistake in pricing their items under the bus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 00:15:09 2015 No.8636822 File: 106 KB, 720x960, 12046778_894754690616806_7629578843416561538_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this has got to be the worst pose combined with the worst print

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 01:14:12 2015 No.8636906 File: 99 KB, 350x467, 6416.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8635740 I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. And unfortunately I've only ever bought second hand. Sorry!

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