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Let's have a historical costume thread. Actual historical clothing/fashion plates/etc is fine as well.

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Has anyone been able to find the new Simplicity Outlander patterns in stores yet? They were designed by the person who runs American Duchess.

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And speaking of Outlander: good god, the nipple dress. How long before someone tries to cosplay it...?

I know it's from the book but I wish they stuck more to the book description (in the books there are pearls covering the nipples themselves to hide that they are inverted) even though the book version is still far too risque for regular court.

>> No.8971677

Wait what the shit? What was even the context for this in the show??

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It's Louis XV's mistress wearing something scandalous. Part of the French arc in the show is the extreme extravagant/outrageous difference between the French court and the English & Scottish courts that Claire and company have encountered so far. So in the book (and the show) the king's mistress is wearing an extremely low cut gown with weird swan nipple pasty rings, which only the 'outsiders' to the court are shocked by.

>> No.8971739

Her red dress this episode pissed me off. It was so out of place.They didn't even have her in a corset, and I can't see how a seamstress of the time could make that dress without interfacings and modern structural parts.
I get that Claire helped design it but it was so out of place. It seems like they took the top half from a modern dress and just attached a historic skirt to it and tried to pass it off.

/I KNOW it's to make her look like an outsider but Claire has the advantage that she knows what's coming next in fashion so could dress a few years ahead and be a fashion icon that way.

>> No.8971765

They're not in the current season catalogue. She may have an advance copy. I'd be interested to know how much fiddling and reworking they need for historical accuracy. The armscyes are almost always wrong in costume patterns and that's never worth fixing.

>> No.8971770

I can't for someone to cosplay this. I wonder if they'll use fake breasts or something. Or pasties.

>> No.8971812

It's frustrating because the dress in the book is not meant to be so out of place or different in a modern way. It's just meant to be striking in its color and relative simplicity compared to French courtwear. The dress in the book is described as having proper whalebone corseting, gussets of silk plissé, and the neckline is still appropriate for French gowns in that era--Jamie makes a comment about it being low in the book because he's not used to it. I don't know what the costume designer was thinking.

At least the costume designer doesn't attempt to say it's historically accurate, but, why would you not TRY?

>The red dress. Total pain. Boxed in on all sides. If it wasn’t the number one dress that I have been asked to do since before we started shooting Outlander, I would have never done it. How could anyone see down to the belly button (not a literal translation, obviously) in an 18th century gown? The book description would have been impossible to create. But it was a BELOVED moment in the book, and we decided to honor it. We broke every [rule] and opened up the center seam on the bodice to make it as low cut as possible (per the book description). Other than that I just tried to make it as dramatic and sensational as I could. Period correct? Not even remotely.

>> No.8971820

She says on her Facebook

>I'm planning an entire blog series, videos, and a class at Costume College on how to "hack" these patterns to make them more historically accurate. These posts will cover everything from small changes like hand-sewn eyelets and alternative closures to more advanced stuff like drafting a winged cuff and adding a flared skirt to the bodice to make a jacket.

so I imagine they require a bit of fiddling at least

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Have a few from a very talented FB friend

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okay you can't really see the dresses, but the setting is perfect

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I'm going to be attempting a chemise a la reine soon. Pic related, one of only two existing chemise a la reines that I know are still around. I'll be doing the older version with the big sleeves, though.

>> No.8972232

Unless you have a nice set of stays, be prepared for it to look like a mumu if you make it with a historically accurate pattern.

>> No.8972283

I found a charity shop that for some reason has like 10 costume dresses from various time periods for under £15 each so as soon as I'm free I'm going and trying them all on to see if any fit.

One was a Victorian dress with huge sleeves in a pretty yellow/orange colour that I really hope fits.

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could be a donation from a local theater.

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Years and years, always.

On that note here's a cuter lolita version of a chemise a la reine. I think it was a one-off though.

>> No.8972481

Take pictures and report back. I'd buy the shit out of some nice costumes for that money.

>> No.8972561

Well pearls would have definitely looked better than what I'm seeing now.
>you know someone is going to use loopholes to wear this

>> No.8972587

Exposed nipples were actually a thing for a while (I don't know when Outlander is set, so don't know if it's concurrent to actual history). Some of the fashion plates that exist were pretty much this low in terms of cuts, though there was generally a fichu involved in supporting the breast somehow. The close-up shows a hint of one (or her chemise? something?), so this isn't completely off the wall and inaccurate. Just more extreme than most examples that are documented, and somewhat contemporary in terms of the cut of the bodice. The majority generally were more of an "oops, my nipples popped out" sort of look than full boob exposure.

I've read a lot of historical costumers debates on the subject because it came up in a previous thread. There's a lot of disagreement on the subject (why, how, when, who) because the window this happened in was so short compared to other trends. It only a few years, as opposed to a decade or more in which silhouettes or fabric types change. It's also not documented why it was a trend, so there's debate about it being a "motherly" thing (it coincided with an upswing in society/noble mothers breastfeeding their own children) rather than an erotic thing. Or a display of youth. Or a display of wealth (usually went with displays of jewellery). Or a display of who knows what reason.

There was also a trend to pierce the nipples and wear chains stretched between them, but I'm pretty sure that came later, and that they were covered up/for personal enjoyment rather than public display.

Someone with more experience and info was in the last thread this came up, but I'm having a hard time finding it in the archives.

>> No.8972589

only lasted*

>> No.8972865

Any pattern recommendations? I am currently into mid-late 18th century. I've tried some JP Ryan patterns, but have run into some issues.

I'm hoping to order shoes and stays soon. There are so many stays on Etsy, has anyone purchased repro items from there?

>> No.8972869

Im glad you guys are here, cgl never forgets

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>> No.8973036

I don't recall if they have the era you're after, but if they do, Laughing Moon patterns are really nicely done.

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I love this dress, designed by Lady Duff-Gordon. Her photograph on wikipedia is amazing btw

When I was at school 7ish years ago a member of staff unearthed a load of historical fashion items, mostly dresses and accessories like shoes and gloves. None of the current or recent members of staff, some who had been there for decades, knew that it was there. IIRC the stuff was mostly from between Victorian era to the 1950s (potentially when it had all been hidden away), but there were a few Georgian pieces in the collection. I don't think anyone ever found out who had collected it and squirrelled it away to be forgotten about. I wasn't interested in historical clothing back then so didn't do any close studies or anything of it, just a few sketches of one dress because I did art. Such a missed opportunity looking back, I wish I had paid more attention to it all!

>> No.8973230

Oh man what a neat find! I'm sure even if you didn't appreciate, some historical costumers did!

>> No.8973255

I'll second Laughing Moon patterns. They are really clear and detailed, and they have lists of other references if you get stuck and need help.

>> No.8973298

It was very cool even though I didn't appreciate it enough back then - I was hanging about in the art department when they were bringing it all in and it was amazing opening all these old cardboard boxes and finding these fancy old dresses folded up inside! The school was in an old building (1800s) and had some underground corridors and war-time bombshelter type rooms underneath it, and I think it was found down there. Even though it could have been stored better than cardboard boxes, there was barely any (to my untrained eye anyway) damage or damp affecting the clothes, which was really lucky since I think some of the underground bit had flooded before so it must have been stored in an unaffected area.

There is a fashion museum in the area so I think they were invited to come and look and I think they took or restored some of the pieces, so yes hopefully it is all well loved!

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I couldn't help but think of OTT lolita during this movie, especially the parts where she joked about the ridiculous feathers on her head or the part where she got drunk at a party and her wig came off.

pic unrelated

>> No.8973483

You think interfacing and flatlining materials didn't exist in the 18th century? Nothing about that dress requires modern materials. I mostly like what they did with it as "Claire's" 20th century influenced design (including that it's slightly awkward), though I would have designed and constructed the neckline a little differently and given it more structure. Claire doesn't have any particular knowledge of historical fashion. I probably know more than she does, and if you plunked me down in a specific year in the 18th century I wouldn't be on the cutting edge of fashion because I wouldn't know specifically what would be popular a year from then. (Besides, that's not really how court trends work.)

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Thanks! I'll have to look for my next project.

>> No.8973779

I was on the website-- they have videos for some of the patterns, which is incredibly awesome. Here is one on pleating:


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Dumping a few of my favorite historical styles.

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I'd like to see more people tackle the more detailed/elaborate things from the past. Stuff like this--you rarely see this level of detail in 18th century costumes.

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>> No.8973878

less spam, more discussion. Or at least discuss with your spam.

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>> No.8973898

>historical costume thread
>complains there's too many historical costumes being posted

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i hate to say it, but in the books it's made quite clear that claire hates wearing stays and has boning put into some of her gowns so she doesn't have to wear stays +gown. i don't remember if the red dress was like this or not.

i'm disappointed with the red dress too....thought it would have more sheer bits on the bodice. but i'm REALLY salty about that awful brown floral dress that looks like fucking barkcloth and REALLY out of place.

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Yay! Shameless self post time!

First up, some of my good clothes from Colonial Williamsburg. The coat is calf skin leather.

Is that CW?

99% chance that worked with her.

Wait.... What.

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Candid work shot

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Christmas, 2015 at Colonial williamsburg.

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1460's Italian doublet and joined hose, 2014

>> No.8973985

No, I'm complaining about spam with no discussion or direction. If people only want to see pictures they can google.

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Gentleman of dubious virtue and negotiable loyalty durring Bacon's Rebellion, 2008 (I regret the chin-fuzz)

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Claire's red dress reminded me of this painting. But without the modesty chemise.

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And the rest are all really bad pictures of me, or pics of me in armour.

Last one for now: 1460's Italian light infantry, 2014

>> No.8974001

I'm curious, anyone know what the price (in terms of purchasing power) of these sorts of gowns translates to? Getting an equivalent gown made today would be thousands of dollars, and even though labor was probably cheaper per hour, everything was hand sewn and fabrics were very expensive. I've always wondered what a lady of means would spend annually on clothing in the era of greatest excess.

>> No.8974030

the day this is forgotten cgl is truly dead

>> No.8974055

Assuming we're talking about court gowns:

it would vary depending on what exactly you were ordering. If you were ordering a completely new elaborate court gown with all the trimmings, it would cost far more than paying for pieces of gowns (such as petticoats, bodices, or paying for trimmings that could be used to alter an existing gown) which many women did to curb costs. Presentation gowns are typically the gowns which cost

A later Galerie des Modes publication actually included some prices from dressmakers for these elaborate court gowns, so there is a decent reference for prices from sought after dressmakers.

For something elaborate like the pic you quoted, assuming the entire gown with trimmings was being ordered, I'd say at least 2500-3000 livres, but probably more because of the ermine. In 2008, that would be about $25,000-30,000. (One livre = about $10 in 2008 usd.) I don't know about today, the information I used to convert was going by 2008 purchasing power.

It was more typical for women to alter gowns with trimmings or order pieces to mix and match. Full trimmings on an existing court gown would usually cost about 300-700 livres, so still a tidy sum but not as insanely high. People also purchased smaller trimmings, like new bundles of lace or silk to make puffs, etc, which could cost anywhere from 15 livres to a few hundred.

The more often you went to court, the more you had to spend so that you weren't always wearing the same thing and could keep up with trends. Presentation gowns, worn when you were first presented, would be expected to be magnificent and the records for the cost of presentation gowns tend to start at 3,000 livres.

>> No.8974096

Perhaps not the time period your thinking of but I've heard it suggested that some Tudor court clothes could cost as much as some houses. So they might be equivalent to the price of a nice car.

Because of this they were sometimes used as collateral for loans. Apparently this meant that someone fallen on hard times might not make it to court because they couldn't get their nice duds out of the renaissance equivalent to a pawn shop. Very embarrassing.

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Auuuugh, I love 18th and late 17th century French clothing so much. I wonder if the lack of detailed costumes is due to the cost and the relative scarcity of 18th century French costumes. It just seems like to me that the 18th century is relatively under-represented compared to Victorian/Civil War/Renaissance/Medieval, and usually when I see 18th century stuff it's more American Revolutionary War/Colonial instead of the gorgeous (and doubtless much more expensive) Versailles clothing.

I've been trying to find accessories (the pretty embroidered mules, jewelry) without much luck. Most historical jewelry is either the wrong period or looks really cheap/mass-produced or too modern.

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18th century costumes/re-enactors are more common in Europe! Though even then, I haven't seen too many more detailed costumes that look like the fashion plates for court wear. I'm going to post a few that I do have and find as I'm searching right now.

I wonder if one of the reasons for a general lack of fancy 18th century re-enactors/costumemakers in the USA is because while 18th century American elite did have finery, it wasn't anywhere near as lavish or outlandish as French fashions worn in Europe.

Have you looked at American Duchess? I wonder if they might custom embellish their shoes somehow.

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Reminds me of the Pompadour portrait.

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so it turns out I only had 2 images of court gowns that even somewhat resemble the fancier fashion plates. Found this reproduction of a Marie Antoinette gown, hunting for more fancy court stuff...

>> No.8974516

Fuck off.

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American Duchess used to have the Antoinette mule, but sadly I never got a pair and they only came in baby pink/blue anyway. They DO still have the Pompadour shoes which I don't like quite as much as the Antoinettes, but are dye-able/embellish-able.

Thank you for the picture dump! I imagine it is easier to find this stuff in Europe- most Historical stuff here in the states is very Civil/Revolutionary war. ...Although, looking at some of the portraits of, say, women like Martha Washington, they did have lovely dresses even if they weren't anywhere near French Court caliber. Picture related was painted in the mid 1800s so it's probably not accurate, but still. Whenever you see Colonial re-enactors, even ones playing the elite, the clothing isn't nearly this pretty.

Combined with how hard it is for you to find fancy court stuff, I'm going to chalk the scarcity of it up to money.

>> No.8974522

You remind me of Douglas Reynholm in the IT Crowd here

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Dang this is a challenge. No one really makes super detailed court gowns. Anglaise and chemise a la reine and polonaise everywhere!!

Oh darn, they discontinued it? I would go for the Pompadour shoes if they can embellish them!

No problem at all! Here's a short look at Martha Washington's fashion if you're interested, along with one surviving dress: http://www.mountvernon.org/digital-encyclopedia/article/the-style-of-martha-washington/

Colonial Willamsburg has a few surviving 'elite' American gowns that are quite nice: http://www.history.org/history/museums/clothingexhibit/museum_explore.cfm#filter=women

>Combined with how hard it is for you to find fancy court stuff, I'm going to chalk the scarcity of it up to money.

Yeah I agree, it definitely plays a factor. That and skill. A lot of these court gowns have really unique trimmings and embellishments that would take dedication and skill to execute properly.

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Argh, this reminds me of my futile search to find a decent handfan. All the spines of the ones I find that aren't extremely expensive antiques (which I would not put to daily use anyway) are all either the same cheap plastic from the same mold or cheap bamboo.

Anglaise and polonaise are pretty too! But yeah. Pic related is one of my very favourite court gowns, although technically it's missing its lace trim and was a wedding dress and not French. I can't imagine how much it cost.

>A lot of these court gowns have really unique trimmings and embellishments that would take dedication and skill to execute properly.

Oh man. My husband's wedding suit was very, very much 18th century styled (and admittedly not period accurate). I remember spending actual days combing through antique trims on etsy and finding two that I ended up spending even more actual days weaving one through the other. That was only 6 yards of it, too. I can't imagine trimming an entire court gown.

>> No.8974647

>dat extra set of feet
What's that about? Are they smuggling people under their petticoats?

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I think in the us at least there is just nowhere to wear a court gown. Last year at costume college there was a group of people doing court gowns. But other then that most balls and events don't have space to maneuver such a huge dress or they aren't allowed in reenactments and such.

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>last year at costume college

Oh, thanks for that, I don't know why I didn't think to search that event. Found this one from last year!

I wish I was able to go to Costume College this year. I was planning on it but obligations came up. This year's theme is Counterculture: Rebels, Revolutionaries and Subversives and holy fuck I love that theme.

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And another fashion plate like gown

>I remember spending actual days combing through antique trims on etsy and finding two that I ended up spending even more actual days weaving one through the other. That was only 6 yards of it, too. I can't imagine trimming an entire court gown.

That's some dedication!

>Argh, this reminds me of my futile search to find a decent handfan

Have you tried looking for antique fans that aren't in perfect condition (or aren't as desirable) and just using the sticks? I've seen antique fans on ebay go for $15-40 on ebay when the leafs are messed up, but the sticks are still in nice condition.

>> No.8974719


>That's some dedication!

I'm an extremely patient person when it comes to fashion crafting, haha. I once spent about 36 hours total gluing 6500 rhinestones onto a pair of heels one at a time with a needle to make glass slippers. Still, yes, his wedding suit was a labor of love.

>Have you tried looking for antique fans that aren't in perfect condition (or aren't as desirable) and just using the sticks? I've seen antique fans on ebay go for $15-40 on ebay when the leafs are messed up, but the sticks are still in nice condition.

I've thought about this, but I doubt my ability to re-leaf the fan. I'm afraid of messing it up and ruining the sticks. I might have to risk it in the end because I'm just not finding anything else.

>> No.8974750

I thought you weren't supposed to wear rosary?

>> No.8974844

Is costume college worth a cross-country trip? Looking at their class schedule it actually looks like they offer a lot. I'm intermediate/advanced, and am moving into doing more historical from cosplay and street clothes sewing.

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One of Marie Antoinette's dresses recreated for a documentary. Not as grand as the portrait image but this documentary's budget was low so I'm surprised they did this at all.

>> No.8975204

I'm not sure why people always say that. Rosaries have been worn in various forms (wrapped at the wrist, around the neck, tied at the waist) for hundreds of years. They were believed to keep you safe from temptation and evil (similar to scapulars).

They're not meant to be worn as vanity pieces/jewellery or by non-believers, but wearing them as a sign of faith (as I'm sure this woman would have done in that period) was always fine.

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Does anyone know if there's a technical name for these poofy gatherings of fabrics on 18th century dresses?

>> No.8975264

It really depends on what kind of Roman Catholic you are. Most of my family is south Italian Cult de mori Catholics, and have strict tradition that only the dead and dying are allowed to wear it around their neck (though wrist and belt is ok). Some of my family are virgin/saint cult (IE, worship the Virgin mother or a singular saint as an intermediate to Jesus/God), and that can vary saint-to-saint.

The handful of family that are flagellante wear special rosary around their neck, the better for the thorns on the beads to scrape and scratch. I don't count them though.

That all aside... Officially speaking, its only a rosary when you're praying. Otherwise, its just beads on a string.

>> No.8975272

Well, sure. But I was just generalising in terms of basic canon/history. Mostly because there are portraits of people wearing rosaries in various forms, and a lot of documentation about rosaries specifically made to be worn conveniently for when you pray a lot (rosary rings, rosary bracelets, etc.).

So when it comes up in these threads, or lolita threads about religious iconography, with people saying "that was never done!!" so emphatically, I'm a bit baffled by it. Like you said, different sects of Catholicism treat it differently and have different rules, but in general, there's plenty of examples of rosaries being worn historically.

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Oh yeah, hell, you can pretty routinely identify the nationality/culture of a subject in a painting by how they wear/carry a rosary, as well as the style.

Have you heard of Karen Larsdater? Documentation in art of anything pre 18thC is her jam.


>> No.8975281

Nice, thanks for the link.

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another view of >>8974503

>> No.8975289


I'm currently trying to get a 18th/19th century group going but it's so hard ugh.

>> No.8975290

It really depends on where you are. If you live in an area with history, its easier.

>> No.8975294

9 years of Catholic school taught me it was never to be worn. So I'd guess Catholics who were told the same thing?

>> No.8975305


I live in Louisiana, roughly 4 hours from New Orleans and A LOT of plantations have that character and history of 19th century but finding people that are interested in it outside of just googling is hard for sure.

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>> No.8975314

What ordo? What kind of nuns?

Im form New Orleans parish, French Quarter proper. We have dozens of 18th and 19thC groups that actually meet for period events (balls, teas, etc).

Etes' vous Cajun? Je suis un rat du Vieux Carré :P

You didn't ask?

>> No.8975372

Was raised Catholic, brother went to Catholic school from Pre-K to High School, I ended up in public with PSR and Sunday school every week because we moved to a different area, but. Anyway.

We made rosaries each year to send overseas with mission groups, and when one kid yelled at another kid for putting the rosary around his neck, our PSR teacher, a novitiate, gave us a (mini) talk on history of the rosary, complete with pictures in our study guides. She told him not to do it out of laziness, but as a sign of his devotion.

Suffice to say, most of us didn't wear them, but I still remember that talk.

Maybe my PSR was weird, though. For Halloween each year, if it fell close enough to PSR night, they'd have us choose a Saint to dress as/give a presentation about instead of doing costumes.

>> No.8975420

Fransican, but we didn't have nuns.

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Does anyone have any pictures of older historical costumes people have made? Preferably from the 1920s through the 1990s, not 19th century costume ball type stuff. I like collecting pictures of people's costumes but it's not often you see older stuff outside of European costume balls from the late 19th century.

I have a few from 1998, not that old but.

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>> No.8975489

It's a fucking image board. Look around you, idiot.

>> No.8975713

I don't live in the area anymore, but my old group archived a lot of their old photos here http://www.gbacg.org/past-events/

>> No.8975792

Does anyone know where to find a comparable pattern for this dress would be? It's specifically the train I am interested in.

>> No.8975940

I don't know about a pattern, but here's the makers post about the dress: http://rebelshaven.blogspot.com/2011/04/italian-renaissance-gown.html

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>> No.8977194

Thank you so much!!! I appreciate it!

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you're welcome!

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I'm gonna drop the images of dresses that are my dream costumes. Unfortunately there's no good serious groups here so I will probably never bother.

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also file names are all fucked up, sorry, this is a court gown.

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I'd love someone to give me some info on this one, btw. Its got a very unique cut. Theater costume?

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Modern gown inspired by an 1888 wedding reception gown. Maker posted this as a reference, it's super small but I can't find a bigger version.

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>> No.8980407

I'm sure you could find some in old Williamsburg publications, especially from the 70s. I am especially interested in living history museums and institutional history so I just picked up a book from an antique store on Williamsburg interiors around that time. The photographs are great, even in costume the interpreters give a 70s vibe.

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Thanks for the tip! I'll definitely look for those.

>> No.8981161

If you or anyone else is interested in living history I will post some resources. This is my area of interest so I love talking about it and sharing information. There were a lot of publications being put out around the time of the 60s and 70s because many museums were experimenting with social history (daily life of average people in the past).

1. If you can find it, "Time Machines" by Jay Anderson is an awesome book that was published in the 80s. It has a lot of great images going back in time (70s, 60s, etc...) of museums, reenactors

Another great book is on Williamsburg. It was written from an anthropological perspective on how the museum's interpretation has changed over time and how the museum "managed" its image from creation to the 1990s:

James Deetz has a couple of books that touch on what Plimoth Plantation was like in the 60s-70s (think groovy hippies camping out in thatched houses). I can't remember which one it was though:

Finally, if you want to see some neat photos and possibly fun films to watch, the Kon-Tiki expedition happened in 1940(?). It's an early example of experimental archaeology. A Norwegian guy, Thor Heyerdahl wanted to test an archaeological theory by trying to take a raft across the Pacific. There's a documentary and a (cute?) movie that came out a few years ago about it-- probably not accurate but fun to watch if only because I enjoy historical fiction.

Sorry to write a novel guys, but perhaps one of these will be of interest to you...

>> No.8981162

I guess I started numbering and forgot after the first one. Oops.

>> No.8981889

Thanks for these!

>> No.8981928

May you elaborate how they are wrong? I've never purchased a historical pattern.

>> No.8981941

They're designed and shaped like modern armscyes. The correct shape varies by era, but the contemporary shape on costume patterns is always wrong.

>> No.8982090

Some more living history books

This Victorian Life: Modern Adventures in Nineteenth-Century Culture, Cooking, Fashion, and Technology by Sarah A. Chrisman*

Victorian Secrets: What a Corset Taught Me about the Past, the Present, and Myself by Sarah A. Chrisman*

Man of War: My Adventures in the World of Historical Reenactment by Charlie Schroeder

How to Be a Victorian: A Dawn-to-Dusk Guide to Victorian Life

Living History: Effective Costumed Interpretation and Enactment at Museums and Historic Sites by David Alison

Living History Museums: Undoing History through Performance by Scott Magelssen

*So I've heard that these are not really good, something about the author being pretentious and having a persecution complex

>> No.8982096

Modern ones are bell shaped and all one piece. Generally historical sleeves were achieved using some sort of gusset strategy.

>> No.8982564

Thank you! One more:
Confederates in the Attic: Dispatches from the Unfinished Civil War by Tony Horwitz

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Gussets are common on chemises but not often used on gowns. Armholes were cut higher under the arm (they are cut too low on a lot of mainstream patterns; low armscyes lead to fit and mobility problems) and shaped very differently through the shoulder.

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God I'd love to see this one in person and study the embroidery.

>> No.8990138

I love that sort of dress.
Elegant and comfy.

That woman was beautiful. Such a perfect face...

>> No.8990157

Wow. I Had to pick my jaw up off the floor when I saw this. Deets on it?

>> No.8990278

I've always wanted to get a job at Colonial Williamsburg as an actor!! Would you mind dropping some deers about the audition process and resume requirements? I'm pursing a degree in archeology right now, and hopefully will be attending William and Mary for my graduate degrees, eventually.

>> No.8990302


It's a late 19th century Russian Court dress that I believe belonged to Empress Alexandra- the Romanov one that got shot with her family sadly.

Fortunately, the gown survived the revolution in Russia along with some others (there's a pink velvet one I love too).

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>> No.8990756

I'm not at Williamsburg, but just wanted to give you a friendly reminder that living history jobs pay next to nothing and are seasonal at many museums (Williamsburg excluded)

Don't rack up debt in school if interpretation is your end-goal. Find a funded graduate program.

>> No.8990774

Fugg sorry didn't see this post earlier. I'll pass by tomorrow and take some pictures and post them. I went by today to see what they have in stock.

Curently they have two 18th century rococo style gowns (they are simple but are gorgeous and fit the silhouette perfectly), two Regency era dresses (one is bordeline tacky costume and the other I'm not sure if it's a costume or a traditional Indian dress because I'm not familiar with their dress styles outside of saris and the fabric used on the dress is traditional Indian fabric), and a strange peach dress that is relatively fitted and then has huge layered puff sleeves lined in black and has a matching cape, which I'm assuming is a late 19th century costume but I'm genuinely not sure. They also have a big thick satin red cape with a big hood and a purple/pink shiny taffetta babydoll lingerie dress with matching peignoir which I'm so tempted to buy even though the colour is hideous because it's poofy and adorable, kek.

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I'm back! I made a quick collage of the dresses (one is a front and back of my favourite Regency style dress). The two red rococo at first glance look very 80s prom but the problem is that they're very big so the silhouette doesn't work right, but with some taking in they'd look great. I'm still confused about the peach dress, lel.

>> No.8991931

Huh. Interesting. Looks like they were probably from a theater!

>> No.8993304

The first two almost have an 80s vibe

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So the Met lists this as a chemise a la reine, but the bodice seems way off even for the more structured gowns of the period. Thoughts?

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>> No.8993842

These are in stores now (and currently $.99 at Joanns). I looked at the piece diagrams for the dress and it looks pretty costumey to me compared to the cuts I've seen in Janet Arnold. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but I passed on the dress. I did pick up the underthings pattern. It looks potentially serviceable.

>> No.8994179

I can't find it on the Met website. In any case, part of the problem is that what exactly constitutes a chemise a la reine isn't quite as defined as other styles from that period.

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I'm deleting a bunch of files. I'll share before I get rid of them as a final send off.

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>> No.8997156

Do any aussies know where to get corset supplies that aren't from spotlight or lincraft?

>> No.8997595

Not sure what type of corset you're making, but if you are on a budget you can use plastic zip ties from a hardware store for boning.

>> No.8998013

Great resources, thanks anon!

>> No.8998449

I was hoping on making my first pair of regency stays

>> No.8998778

Those seem pretty simple if you mean short stays. You can probably get all of the materials online or at a local craft store. If you're not experienced in making stays then I would suggest getting cheap material to do a mock-up before delving into more expensive materials. The first stays I made were pretty ill-fitting, but I used left-over material from my stash and only needed to buy boning, so even if I can't wear them (for the most part) it was still a nice learning project.

>> No.9001036

Thanks this is great advice!

>> No.9001827

They're not that hard to make, I wouldn't use zip ties though.

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>> No.9004531

Oh my god, that's gorgeous.

>> No.9004535

Oh god, that cape. That cape. I want it.

>> No.9004583

I love those curls. I know they were probably sewn in place but I can't help wondering how the wigs/hair were kept so nice and neat throughout the day.

>> No.9005066

>sewn in place

I've never heard of this. Did they do that in the 18th century?

>> No.9005379

Weird question: I have long hair. I would like to grow out a portion of my hair to make into a 18th century men's queue. Anyone have advice with working with real hair?

>> No.9006128
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A girl is working on a gown inspired by this dress.
Here's the bodice. I could have lived without the sequins, but otherwise I think it's rather beautiful.

If you want:
more pics: doxiequeen1.tumblr.com
construction: doxiequeen1.wordpress.com/category/historically-inspired-2/19th-century/

>> No.9006143

I love her stuff so much

>> No.9006512

I just saw her progress video today! She looks like she's definitely taken inspiration from the photo I showed her on a past video of Wilhelmina von Hallwyl's evening gown. I can't wait to see the finished project.

>> No.9007603

if i remember right, don't regency stays use cording instead of boning? i haven't branched into that sector of history yet.

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I wish I had a bigger version of this. It's a 1930's take on Rococo from the 1938 Marie Antoinette film. I'd love to see this one in person.

>> No.9011712

I know they did it for elaborate hairstyles in earlier periods. I assume they sewed wigs in the 18th century too, as they'd be frequently worn and it would be more practical to sew them in place than redo the curls every few days.

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LACMA sent it somewhere a few years ago to be professionally restored... hopefully this means they'll be putting it on display, at least for a time, soon. Here's a color production still with that gown.

>> No.9011906

Colonial Williamsburg was fun... Until they were done with me. I had heard the horror stories of how shitty they fuck over their employees, but I didn't believe it.

Colonial Williamsburg is legitimately the worst company I have ever worked for; note that I say company, not museum. They will hide shit in contracts, outright lie to your face, and generally be the sleaziest fucking business they can, while toeing the "nonprofit" line as close as possible. The new president is an idiot too. He's hemorrhaging money from the foundation on stupid cashgrabs that are driving away the supporters.

Fuck them sideways.

It also depends on having a skill. Having a degree doesn't mean shit compared to having a practical skill, like carpentry, military knowledge, smithing, basket weaving etc.

Living history museums want interpreters, not curators in costume.

>> No.9012317

spill more!

>> No.9012631

How long were you at Williamsburg?

It seems that larger living history museums are more corporate than smaller ones. I was at a large living history museum in the midwest for a short time and what really put me off were the large sponsor logos all over the exhibit spaces. The museum started to redo the site with loads of technology. I think part of it was because if they automated the site they don't need to staff as many interpreters.

>> No.9013512

What sort of things did they lie about?

>> No.9013578

Hour allocation, position advancement, employee support (NEVER bring your clothes in for mending at costuming, you won't get your summer coat back until winter), and the biggest lie is the "one foundation" motto. They purposefully pit departments against each other, especially the various historic sales groups.

They will lay off people, promise to rehire them, and not tell them that the papers they sign include a non hiring eligibility term, so that they don't have to rehire them at their old pay or bennies.... And it takes years.

And after having a shitty 4th of July (cutting budgets and programs, the failure of the headless horseman/Zombie Pirates for halloween (losing contributors who were donating to a museum, NOT a themepark), The modern refrigerated ice skating rink in the middle of DoG street, and the ungodly media disaster that was the superbowl ad, they are hurting.

About two years. Apparently, for a lot of new folks thats a long time. You are either there till you die, or they fuck you over. There were record layoffs when I was let go. Now they want 250 new folks for the season, but all of the folks they had trained and experienced are fucking pissed.

>> No.9014159

iirc this is historically inspired rather than historically correct.

>> No.9014347

Sorry to hear all that. Were you able to find a position at a different museum? I feel like I'll be interning until I die.

>> No.9014520
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it's inspired by this painting

>> No.9014744

>Were you able to find a position at a different museum?

Oh, sweet sweet summer child, it not an in demand market, and there are only so many living history museums. That there are three within an hour of each other here is unheard of anywhere else in the US.

Further more, most are government run. It take months, even years to get through.

For the past few months, I've been paying the bills teaching drums and fencing, while looking for a new job.

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>Historical clothing thread
>people not posting the best of historical clothing and pretending they're Marie Antoinette
>Fucking nerds

>> No.9015722

You're preaching to the choir here, as I said I will forever be an unpaid intern at various sites until someone deems me worthy of a paycheck.

Best of luck in your search. There are about 3 of them within an hour of where I am as well, but I have heard mixed reviews about working at at least one of them.

>> No.9015802

>pretending you're marie antoinette

Do you think this is an RP board...?

also Marie Antoinette was a prude so meh

>> No.9015980

...Glorified Catholic monk bankers from the lamest time in medieval history?

Late Medieval/early Ren is better.

>> No.9015997
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Hi, I'd like to make a simple, elegant medieval dress for next sunday, for a medieval festival. Sorry for being a newbie, but I have no idea what kind of embroidery I should use, and I'm really scared of using something obviously historically incorrect. I would really appreciate if anybody have any inspo or tips for how to decorate? Could I use pic related kind of trim? What about pearls or beading?
I'm thinking about making the dress in cotton, and I want to make a simple, but elegant dress, so not a fancy renaissance one, but not totally peasant/viking either... Also, I have no idea what to do about hair/headwear, any ideas?

>> No.9016000

location (where in europe), style (peasant or richfag) and exact time period you wanna go for? I might be able to hit you up with some tutorials/patterns

>> No.9016039

Richfag, perhaps early gothic period?
I'm thinking regular, slim sleeves, (perhaps with embrodery) and either mid waist (like bellybutton high) or lower... To be honest I have no idea what period/location that would represent...

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Like, this type of cut (without connected headgear), but embroidered

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Here's my Harper's weekly fashion plate collection. I'd love to make some of these gowns...maybe some day...

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"Watering place toiletries"

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"Godey's unrivalled fashions"

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Last one, 1854
"Godey's unrivalled colored fashions"

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very pretty!

I'm still kicking my own ass for not buying this any Ackermanns Repository fabric swatch pages when they were on ebay for $30 each. Now they never come up, and the rare occasions they do it's not for under $200 each.

>> No.9020201

Those are gorgeous, I've been able to find all of these in second hand shops, the torn one was only 50 cents! Gotta get lucky I guess

>> No.9020216


Argh, if advertisements still looked like this, I wouldn't hate ads as much! Actually, I wish a lot of cosmetic containers resembled the old ones too.

I found a shop on etsy that sells toiletries and cosmetics with old-fashioned labels and using (safe- no arsenic or lead or cadmium etc.) old recipes and I just want to buy ALL the things.

>> No.9020227

Do you live in the UK? I'm in the US and vintage/antique shops in my area very much abide by "if it's old, I must charge a lot for it!" regardless of the actual value. if I see poorly done celluloid miniatures with price tags at $100+ one more time...!

>> No.9020230

LBCC Historical? I love their cosmetics. I don't do historical costuming but I buy their liquid rouge (Liquid bloom of roses and a rouge that exactly imitates nature are my favorites) for regular use, it's great. Long lasting, gives a "natural" rosy effect on cheeks or lips, and you can use as little or much as you want... so sometimes I buff a little bit into my lips to make them look less dull and sometimes I go all out to get a striking red lip.

>> No.9020252

Wow, I've never heard of this shop! The package is so cute. How did you apply the rouge? Just with your fingers?

>> No.9020298

No I'm in the rural US, maybe it's worse in cities?

>> No.9020301


Yes! That's the one.

>> No.9020328

I'm in small town USA too. Must just differ from place to place! I can usually find deals on ebay so it's not a heartbreaking situation, but there's something much more fun about shopping at a store in person.

You can use your fingers, a brush, sponges, plus they sell makeup sponges that are more geared towards historical makeup. For my cheeks I use my fingers. For my lips, I use a modern lipstick brush so I can have more control over how much I use. You let it sit for a bit then you buff it in with a sponge or your fingers.

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>> No.9023777


Not sure if this will work, but /his/ has a board going with historic costumes if you are looking for more.

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I love this stomacher.

>> No.9034182

If the regency one didn't work for you I'd totally be interested in buying it.

>> No.9040200

Does anyone know where to get a decent chemise a la reine? I'd love to have one for summer that didn't take YEARS AND YEARS.

>> No.9040738

Looking at old clothes like this always makes me wonder what the colors would have been like before they faded. It must have been so vibrant.

>> No.9040940

Do you still work in CW?

>> No.9044224

Ironically... I just got a phone call and job offer today. Military programing. Going tomorrow to sign the papers

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>> No.9046205


Why would you not actually link up your hands in that pose? Looks like they just want to cop a feel, but are almost hover handing it.

>> No.9046217


>that dress
>on dirt

My heart

>> No.9046257

True or false: the main difference between stays and a corset is the way it shapes your torso/upper body

>> No.9046298

>rest of pics

Anon you have magnificent taste

>> No.9046749

What's happening on the floor in this photo? Are those extra feet?

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>You'll never be an Edwardian English lady.

Although there is a lot to love about Victorian dress, I think Edwardian takes the cake for my favorite time period. We still had nice full corseting but we lost the crinolines and cages and had "simple" and streamline silhouettes. Hats reached fashion peak before being reduced to shitty degenerate cloches and and fascinators. Kentucky Derby and formal women's hats are pretty much stuck in this era for that reason.

I like the Edwardian trend of piling tresses of thick luxurious hair onto the top of your head and the mature bouffants.

Victorian is great for little girls, Edwardian is for grown-up women.

>> No.9047012

The issue is that stays historically have been used in the same way as corsets, so you will find it interchangeable in literature.

Typically now people will call a modern shape of Victorian onwards corset and stuff before stays. A lot of the time stays will not shape the hip area or partly do do because of the time. Stays will also then have lacing on the front and back.

>> No.9047024


In my experience stays are more like bras, except they predate them and are usually stiffer or even boned. But the focus is the shaping your chest. Half-stays are basically just a rigid sports-bra.

A corset is more full figured. Although there seems to be some grey areas between the two.

>> No.9047109

Would it be appropriate to request any Hamilton cosplay?
>tfw I met an aaron burr cosplayer before I had heard the music
>tfw I only recognized them because of their period clothing
>tfw I didn't ask "pardon me, are you aaron burr, sir?"

>> No.9047513

Thanks. Im planning on kinda settling down and being their for a while. I hate the business, but the actual colonial city and the coworkers are awesome.

I swear, this is the worse thing to happen since Assassin's Creed... People CONSTANTLY badly rapping lyrics in Colonial Williamsburg.

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It's also my favorite fashion period.

Is there any detailed book on the dresses and fashion etiquette of that period ?

>> No.9052540


Have you seen a boom in interest in Colonial stuff since Hamilton came out?

I'm so sorry about the terrible rapping.

>> No.9052555

I have a couple of magazines from that era, I could dig them out and scan some images if you want? There's a couple of pieces on hats and I'm sure there are a few things on clothes.

>> No.9052832

Not that anon but please dump if you don't mind! I am also enamoures of that era

>> No.9053531

Do it. Please.

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So I'm making a 14th century kirtle and sideless surcoat combo, and I'm confused about under layers. Does anyone know if with a dress like pic related would a sleeved chemise be worn underneath?

>> No.9054160

Yes I would say so, I think you can even see a hint of the chemise at her right wrist

>> No.9054375

I went to scan the images today and the cover fell off one of them, whoops. I'll post the images as soon as I've figured out how to stop them from falling apart...

>> No.9055001

It would, since it's what stops the dress from getting sweaty. I don't think short-sleeved chemises came about until the 1800s, iirc.

>> No.9055009

UGH, YOU CAN SEE HER BRA UNDERNEATH THAT. Come on guys, it isn't that hard to replicate period correct silhouettes. This person clearly never even googled the appropriate underclothes..

>> No.9055413

that's wrinkles from the chemise and headpiece.

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That's the wimple and chemise, anon. Also, bras were around back then. Look up 'breastbags', pic related.

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I don't know of anyone that makes chemise a la reine dresses outside of commissions, unfortunately. Fanplusfriend used to do a cheap one which wasn't spectacularly well made but was well enough, sadly they discontinued it + the cotton lolita version, now all they have is a very sheer/light chiffon one that they're discontinuing soon anyway.

Your best bet is to find someone who does pattern historical dresses and ask them if they could do a chemise a la reine dress for you.

>> No.9058316

Infanta has one that sort of looks like a chemise a la reine, but you have to specifically ask for the white one: https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=40679194935

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Historical costumers being fancy at Versailles

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More Versailles

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It's so fancy, I'm going to die.

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TFW you don't have a bunch of friends with big dresses

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I think the one on the far right is based on Marie Antoinette's dress.

>> No.9058483


I love you so very much anon. Thank you for these.

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>> No.9059413

Those are some impressive panniers

>> No.9059817

Sleevless chemise was standard as it was the washing layer between the skin and wool which wouldn't be washed often or if not at all.

There is evidence for sleeveless chemises though if you'd prefer it, look up Bohemian Bathouse Babes.

>> No.9061932

The embroidery is amazing

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See, I wish the grey hair trend was more like this instead of hipster dye jobs. Wigs and powder all the way.

>> No.9066730

Unf! 18thC femme militant fashion.... Yesssss.

Having powdered my hair, and worn powdered wigs, its a huge pain in the ass.

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>trying to walk through the door in this dress

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The Romanov sisters wore such beautiful outfits.

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the Romanov were good looking, even their mom and dad.

Fuck the gommies.

>> No.9067303


Yes. They were dressed so sweetly.

I occasionally get bitten by Russian royalty bug and just go on a binge of reading everything and connecting who was doing what, where, and with whom.

I often wonder why they don't really acknowledge the royal line at all anymore. It seems a waste not to use it for the area's gain like the UK does.

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Stunning looks and beautifully dressed.

>> No.9067609


Holy shit anon are you stupid
>what is history

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I mean they did kill off most of the Romanovs and exiled the rest, so it'd be kind of weird to suddenly do a 180 and be all chummy with what's left of the royal family again.

>> No.9067662

>I often wonder why they don't really acknowledge the royal line at all anymore. It seems a waste not to use it for the area's gain like the UK does.

Because it was usurped and goes against the political culture and climate of the Russian government for the past 100 years. Same reason why descendants from the French royals aren't acknowledged by the government.

There's actually a sizable 'cult following' of the Romanovs left in Russia, hence the consistent vandalizing of their executioner's graves, church on the site where they were killed and pilgrimages to that spot, exhibitions etc. But that doesn't extend to their modern descendants from the family members who weren't in the country or left Russia before shit went too down.

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>>9053585 here, I've made the surcoat and now I'm stuck picking fabric for the kirtle. The trim and blue fabric is the side of the surcoat. The top fabric is this earthy yellow silk suiting with a small basket weave texture, and the bottom Is a paler wool garberdine with a diagonal weave texture. I'm completely stumped, I love the colour of the wool, but I'm worried such a pale, bright colour + the diagonal texture don't look particularly period.

>> No.9070365

a thousand apologies for the gigantic pic, I'm on my phone

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Go big or go home (to Austria)

>> No.9071810

Could you maybe dye it a slightly 'earthier' color?

>> No.9072060

I'm not sure which fabric you're talking about but I'd rather not dye already yellow fabric, if I was gonna dye it id start with white

>> No.9072107

Hey clownfriend! What are you wearing at work these days?

>> No.9072124

>I love the colour of the wool, but I'm worried such a pale, bright colour + the diagonal texture don't look particularly period.

>> No.9072340

ok but here me out how is changing the colour of the wool going to solve the fact that the only thing I like about it is the colour?

>> No.9072341

btw that cape is on display in a museum in Vienna and it's fucking amazing

>> No.9072403

You said you were worried that the bright color wouldn't look period.

>> No.9072405

Picture? None of Marie Antoinette's mantles exist today.

>> No.9073621

Has anyone done a gown with pinked trim? I'm wondering if it's relatively easy to do the edges with a pinked rotary blade without screwing it up or if I'd be happier just dropping the money on a vintage pinking machine.

>> No.9073640

I have a question for you guys: Where would you wear these outfits? I know people wear these historical costumes at history meetups or events like Versailles' costume party but there's nothing like that happening in my country. Do you think it is out of the question to wear something like this at con? I'd like to cosplay Marie Antoinette based of one of her portraits. Would that be cosplay enough to wear at con or is it just a history thing that is not equal to cosplaying from anime/manga/movie/game? It's okay to cosplay Marie Antoinette's anime or movie version but how about historical version? Sorry if my question is retarded, I'm lonely history geek and also con goer in small country that doesn't have many events to choose from.

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I wear mine at home or dinners/parties with friends who also make historical costumes. Also I've worn them out to the zoo or museum or a garden, but only my robe anglaise and chemise dresses. There aren't any nearby history events I go to. I think it's totally fine to wear them to a convention! Cosplay is cosplay, even if it's a real person.

Which portrait were you thinking of doing?

>> No.9074855

I'm so sorry to be 'that guy', but anons, please help me, I'm in a doozy of a pickle! I had a wonderful corset pattern my seamstress friend got for me digitally on my external hard-drive which I have lost, and it's nowhere to be found! She isn't in the country at the moment, but I need to start working on it soon otherwise I'll be screwing up my deadline for a meet big-time.

Does anybody on here have any good recommendations or links for an overbust corset, preferably long-ish at the front, in a Victorian style? Or can help me source a good one that would fit a plus-sized girl like myself?

This is my first time making a corset and I know I'm going to screw it up, but you all seem to really know your stuff and I'm hoping if I ask nicely enough (please!) someone might be able to help me.

This is for a costume, so it doesn't necessary need to be completely accurate, but I was looking more for a better shape and comfort. I wanted to make a very large crinoline cage to go with it - I've been looking at Truly Victorian which have some great patterns, but I feel like the more I research, the more confused I'm getting. And all the commercial patterns like Simplicity and Butterick seem kind of... meh?

If someone could please, please help me, I'd be forever grateful!

>> No.9075817

Anyone know of any good resources (web or print) for period construction? I would like to make a robe anglais and plan to use the diagram from Janet Arnold, but I don't know very much about period construction and could use some guidance. afaik dresses were typically flatlined, but beyond that I don't know what I don't know.

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Thanks for your reply! What kind of reacts have you gotten from normies when you have been wearing your dresses at zoo/museum/garden?

I've been planning to try making this dress in the pic. I've been cosplaying for a long time so I know how to sew but this will be first time that I'll be trying to make accurate construction, not just look-a-like costume so I'm kinda nervous!

>> No.9076900

Look for dress diary's of people who made similar dresses.

>> No.9077501

I don't know enough to know who's bullshitting their way through and who's doing proper period construction. I'm skilled enough to bullshit it myself, but if I'm going to put in the time I want to do it right.

>> No.9077543

Can someone remind me of the story?
This is from a year or so before I got in to the fashion, I vaguely remember what happened but not well.

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>> No.9078584

Look through period pattern book scans. It helps to look at examples of the dresses themselves too, but scans are your best bet- I know there was one site I can't remember the name of that I found years ago that had a bunch of ~1750/60 pattern book scans; there were a couple of pages on coats and on trims, and I'm pretty sure there was something about a robe anglaise. There were also diagrams showing how to cut the cloth and things like that.
Laughing Moon patterns are great, you could have a look through them to see if any would fit what you want.

>> No.9078856

I'm not this anon, but I'm also interested in totally period accurate construction, including accurate hand stitching. I found a few websites but they didn't have much info

>> No.9082306

For hand stitching your best bet is to look through museum photos. The stitching wasn't all that neat on the parts that wouldn't show- linings were sometimes basted on, presumably to make washing easier.

>> No.9082682

>victorian corset
i've used both the underbust and overbust laughing moon corset patterns successfully. they also come is a wide range of sizes all in the same packet.

>cage crinoline
you really want the truly victorian round or elliptical hoop patterns for this. DO NOT use the 'big 3' brand ones if you are going for accuracy....they are bleh. (though, their 18c court pannier pattern is really nice and actually pretty accurate)

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Candy Violet put out a Chemise a la Reine dress a few years back. Pic related. Apparently the quality of the dresses people got were...less than stellar.

Anyway, as far as I remember, the joke is about how some other people made/sold Chemise a la Reine dresses and CV wigged out, saying they were ripping her off because she had spent "years and years of research" to make...well, a Chemise a la Reine that got cut off at the knee. It's basically just a fairly simple 18th century design that she shortened.

>> No.9083217


I found this one, where the maker copied the stitches off a museum piece. I found it pretty interesting.


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There's also this fun twist in the story: The girl who posted the negative review of Candy Violet's chemise dress (said the fabric was cheap, stiff, and she had to actually resew one arm of the dress) listed it a few months later on the comm sales at a mark up.

>> No.9083339

Oh and pic isn't that girl, just another seller's chemise dress.

>> No.9084218

Damn, this is just what I needed, thanks anon

>> No.9089977


Did it sell?

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