Casual Lolita: there is more than one thing to argue about edition

[Anonymous No.9137700]

There have always been disagreements when it comes to casual lolita, long before OTT became popular. But with recent casual threads, we mostly argue about whether normal lolita coords are casual or not.

Can we agree that non-OTT coords are not casual lolita? If you are wearing a lolita OP, JSK or skirt with a petticoat, blouse, headwear, legwear, accessories, and the type of shoes you would usually wear with lolita, there is nothing really casual there. It's just normal lolita.

Now, to start some discussion
> Is it acceptable to wear sneakers or flats with casual lolita?
> Is it acceptable to go without petticoat or bloomers?
> Has casual lolita changed over the years?
> What do you think of soft lolita?
> Should casual coords be posted to CoF?

[Anonymous No.9137703]

>>9137700
I'm going to post some coords that may not all be perfect, but definitely use casual clothing. Be warned a lot of these are going to be selfie-quality (no one would do a photoshoot in casual lolita)

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> Is it acceptable to wear sneakers or flats with casual lolita?
Nah, tea parties can be casual or maryjanes at least

> Is it acceptable to go without petticoat or bloomers?
At least a small petti and bloomers should be worn

> Has casual lolita changed over the years?
Oh totally

> What do you think of soft lolita?
Meh
> Should casual coords be posted to CoF?
Yeah, it'd be nice to see more

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inb4 this thread turns into a screaming match

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[Anonymous No.9137743]

>>9137738

I think Angelic Pretty's matching skirt + t-shirt is the savest choice when you're going for casual lolita. Putumayo seems to be popular as well because they are cheaper and release a lot of t-shirts and cutsews.

[Anonymous No.9137744]

>>9137700
> Is it acceptable to wear sneakers or flats with casual lolita?

Maybe those pastel sneakers if you're doing sweet... Otherwise no.

> Is it acceptable to go without petticoat or bloomers?

Bloomers maybe (but have some kind of modesty shorts please), petticoat no.

> Has casual lolita changed over the years?

It seems to have disappeared in favour of OTT. Either that or people just don't post it anymore.

> What do you think of soft lolita?

*shrug*

> Should casual coords be posted to CoF?

Sure, as long as it's not just a skirt with a band tee.

[Anonymous No.9137746]

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>>9137756

This is all I've got rn. One thing I notice when looking through the カジュロリ tag on social media is a lot of Emily Temple Cute. There are some other non-lolita brands as well, like Fint, Axes Femme, Milk, etc. but a lot of ETC compared. Even shops tagging ETC with カジュロリ.

[Anonymous No.9137770]

>>9137700
Sort of reposting from the casual goth thread what does casual mean to you? So far I've seen if people mean simple, not OTT, comfortable, easy to wear, or "normie friendly" when they mean casual.

I think that's where a lot of confusion comes from. Lots of OPs are really comfortable but are somewhat dressy even by lolita standards. Some coords are a lot more normie friendly and casual looking but aren't any more comfortable than regular non-OTT lolita. And there's the people that want to see lolita items in a generic j-fash outfit or so watered down it doesn't even look lolita anymore.

> Is it acceptable to wear sneakers or flats with casual lolita?
Higher quality and dressier flats are fine for very toned down coords with almost no poof. Even those sneakers that used to be really popular in fairy kei are a no unless everything else is on point and specifically coorded for them.

> Is it acceptable to go without petticoat or bloomers?
Lolita isn't lolita without a petticoat unless it's a OTT OP/JSK then it's just ita and wouldn't be casual anyway. If the dress is specifically made for low poof and has a built in petticoat it may be fine. Bloomers or some sort of protection are definitely necessary if you're wearing a hoopskirt. Not as much if you're wearing a petticoat but unless you've practiced not flashing people and are on your most ladylike behavior it would be better to wear something for the sake of other people's eyes. Especially if you plan on wearing thongs, are tall, and bend over a lot like one girl I know.

[Anonymous No.9137772]

>>9137770
> Has casual lolita changed over the years?
Definitely, you see a lot of normal coords being called casual solely because they aren't OTT. Part of that is also so some girls can use it as an excuse try to avoid concrit.

> What do you think of soft lolita?
You mean Misako's term for a certain type of lolita/general girly fashion? She dresses well I guess, I wouldn't call a lot of it even casual lolita though.

> Should casual coords be posted to CoF?
Actually casual coords would be nice. More of the simple coords people like to call casual would be nice as well.

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none of this is casual.

[Anonymous No.9137782]

>>9137759
i noticed that also. so here is a question: how much of what we call otome is called kajurori (can't kana on my phone) in Japan?

[Anonymous No.9137783]

>>9137776
One of the few examples of being a slut and showing off your lewd shoulders that actually works imo. This is a joke btw before all the autistic tumlrinas try to start another fight.

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>>9137779
anyone who claims this without providing an example of "real" casual is bait not worth engaging.

try a bit more, bait-chan, please

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>>9137788
Not casual at all looks wise, but comfy.

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[Anonymous No.9137799]

> Is it acceptable to wear sneakers or flats with casual lolita?
Yes, but only if they are colour coordinated.

> Is it acceptable to go without petticoat or bloomers?
No.

> Has casual lolita changed over the years?
To me, the matching brand t-shirt + skirt combination is the old school way of doing casual lolita. Pic related is something I think is 'modern' casual lolita. But I've only been into lolita for a couple of years so idk.

> What do you think of soft lolita?
I think it's just something Misako made up and not really ''a thing'' (at least in the West) but I kind of like it, and secretly wish it was a thing. I see it often gets mixed in with otome kei but it's different from otome. The colour combination and mixing of patterns definitely sets it apart, and I don't think Misako would ever wear shorts or trousers and call it soft lolita.

> Should casual coords be posted to CoF?
It really depends on the coord... Some of them are not really lolita anymore and I think that's okay, that's what it's casual lolita for, but I wouldn't post those type of coords in CoF.

[Anonymous No.9137801]

> Is it acceptable to wear sneakers or flats with casual lolita?
I think so, but not like your everyday bear up converse. Cute matching ones
> Is it acceptable to go without petticoat or bloomers?
Small petti is okay but honestly lolita pieces look dumb AF without some kind of poof so.
Why I'd cgl so autistic about bloomers? I literally never wear any and no one has seen my panties? Even if I try my best to flash them its actually not that easy lmao.
Bloomers are not essential.
> Has casual lolita changed over the years?
Yeah definitely, lolita in general has changed a lot
> What do you think of soft lolita?
?
> Should casual coords be posted to CoF?
Sure as long as they're polished.

[Anonymous No.9137822]

>>9137782
I think you can tell the difference by the way it's coordinated. I don't wear otome kei but I think you are supposed to mix patterns and use bolder colours (compared to lolita)? And tough JM, ETC and Milk are considered otome kei brands in the West, in Japan you often see them lumped in with lolita brands, or just girly style. I suspect this is what Misako wants us to call soft lolita.

[Anonymous No.9137830]

> Is it acceptable to wear sneakers or flats with casual lolita?
As long as they make sense with the rest of the coord and they're not dirty, then yes.
> Is it acceptable to go without petticoat or bloomers?
Bloomers, yes. Petticoat, no. Just got with a really light petticoat.
> Has casual lolita changed over the years?
Definitely, especially with the rise of OTT lolita. I feel like people in lolita these days expect every single coordinate to be photo-ready, which is why people tend to shy away from casual coords.
> What do you think of soft lolita?
Isn't that another term that Misako uses as a substitute for "casual lolita"?
> Should casual coords be posted to CoF?
I mean, it is called "Closet Of Frills: Daily Lolita Coords", so I don't see why not.

[Anonymous No.9137833]

>>9137801
>Why I'd cgl so autistic about bloomers? I literally never wear any and no one has seen my panties?
This so much. Do they think normies wear bloomers with skirts and dresses? Cause they are way shorter. I always wear bloomers with lolita tough, for comfort (the fabric of my petti isn't so soft)

[Anonymous No.9137866]

> Is it acceptable to wear sneakers or flats with casual lolita?
Maybe flats if they have some sort of detail like straps or bows ala pic related. Other than that, no. For some reason, girls I know think it's perfectly acceptable to wear plain ballet flats with regular coords.
> Is it acceptable to go without petticoat or bloomers?
Bloomers, sure. Petticoat is should at least be minimal.
> Has casual lolita changed over the years?
Yes, especially with OTT becoming the default for a proper coordinate and the immergence of otome-kei in the west blurring the lines
> What do you think of soft lolita?
Again, I think it's treading the lines between otome and lolita. Maybe it could revamp the standards for casual Lolita in the west.
> Should casual coords be posted to CoF?
Yep, but most attempts will fail 7 times out of 10. I shouldn't have to explain why.

[Anonymous No.9137872]

Going to dump a few I have saved.

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>>9137700
>> Is it acceptable to wear sneakers or flats with casual lolita?
Yes, because casual lolita is that - casual. Obviously, don't wear your adidas trail runners because those are fugly. If you want to wear comfy sneakers with your casual lolita I think they ought to be cute in their own right, so try to find cute/fancy sneakers. However, not all casual lolita coords are the same. I think it fits the general aesthetic if you're wearing a cutsew that looks more like a t-shirt but if you're wearing casual lolita and it almost just looks like a toned down super simple coord then the sneakers might look off.
>> Is it acceptable to go without petticoat or bloomers?
No petticoat would depend on the dress/skirt. Some things like salopettes (which I think are great for casual lolita) look better without pettis, other things like regular dresses and skirts look terrible without them. If you aren't gonna wear bloomers pleaser wear shorts, don't flash people.
>> Has casual lolita changed over the years?
Yes. With the popularity boom of OTT looks I think "simple" lolita coords have been taken to mean casual lolita by some people.
>> What do you think of soft lolita?
I've never heard of soft lolita. Dunno if that's cause I haven't been around long 2013).
>> Should casual coords be posted to CoF?
Sure, but it depends on how casual. If you're just wearing what would otherwise be considered a "normal" outfit, but you just happen to be wearing a lolita item then no - but I suppose that's what we're always debating about. Personally I feel like this >>9137743
is more along the lines of casual lolita, whereas >>9137723
just feels like someone using lolita clothes as part of a normal outfit. Regardless, I think casual lolita should definitely be posted more to counter the OTT looks. While I absolutely love ridiculous OTT lolita coords, I think people are forgetting that OTT is not the end-all be-all.

[Anonymous No.9137923]

> Is it acceptable to wear sneakers or flats with casual lolita?
Brands have made sneakers for this exact reason, so as long as they're not ratty and dirty, sure why not.
> Is it acceptable to go without petticoat or bloomers?
Of course, it's part of the casual bit. I find that some dresses are strange looking without a petti so a very light one is ideal. I could personally take or leave bloomers in any kind of coord.
> Has casual lolita changed over the years?
It hasn't in itself, but it's become common for people to think that casual coords are ita, which is really stupid.
> What do you think of soft lolita?
I'm not really familiar enough with it honestly.
> Should casual coords be posted to CoF?
Yeah I think so. It might help with the attitude towards it, but I guess you do run the risk of someone just wearing something that isn't remotely Lolita and saying it's casual. That risk is run as it is, so yeah I'd still support it.

[Anonymous No.9138508]

>>9137783
I love this. So simple summery and cute.

[Anonymous No.9138606]

>>9137700
There needs to be more anons like op on this board.

[Anonymous No.9138659]

>> Is it acceptable to wear sneakers or flats with casual lolita?
Tea parties instead of flats; I feel like flats never look good. Some kitten heels are instead if TPs aren't your thing. Sneakers might look good with some of AP's shorter, less full skirts or salopettes, but I also question how lolita they are to begin with. Still I think that if the sneakers match and are cute to begin with then they could look good.
>> Is it acceptable to go without petticoat or bloomers?
I think that if your skirt can accommodate it you should wear at least a light petticoat. Bloomers I don't think are as important. They're for hiding your undies but if the poof is minimal so that it's unlikely anyone would see them, then I think it's okay to skip on them.
>> Has casual lolita changed over the years?
Yes, but I don't think it has changed as much as the perception of it has changed. Coordinates that were once just "regular" are now sometimes viewed as casual because everyone is all about being OTT.
>> Should casual coords be posted to CoF?
Yes, but I also think that people would then start to post coords with minimal effort and try to pass it off as casual more often. But I'd prefer that over seeing nothing but coordinates that are costumey or impractical for actual, non-convention wear.

[Anonymous No.9138733]

> Is it acceptable to wear sneakers or flats with casual lolita?
Yes but you need to make sure they fit the rest of the outfit, if you're at all uncertain whether they work, don't do it. Also ballet flats are both shit for your feet and for lolita.
> Is it acceptable to go without petticoat or bloomers?
Yes depending on the dress/skirt.all over prints and plain pieces are best as long as there aren't too many details
> Has casual lolita changed over the years?
Casual itself hasn't changed much aside from being a bit better coordinated overall, there has however been a change in the number of newfags screaming something is casual just because it isn't ott
> What do you think of soft lolita?
The fuck is 'soft lolita'? get your larme crap out of lolita, it doesn't belong
> Should casual coords be posted to CoF?
If you want but don't expect lots of attention, but expect naysayers telling you its not 'real' lolita cause you don't look like another cookie cutter matchy ap whore
/endsalt

[Anonymous No.9138740]

> Is it acceptable to wear sneakers or flats with casual lolita?
Yes, they have to match your outfit though. Please no dirty beat up sneakers or office lady flats.
> Is it acceptable to go without petticoat or bloomers?
It depends on the piece. If the skirt portion looks limp and sad, you should wear a petti, but if it's something like a salopette or a skirt with less fullness to it, no petti is ok. As for bloomers, who the fuck would know if you didn't wear them? I don't think they're necessary in any coord. Before I owned any bloomers, I just wore Soffes and no one knew. I got them because I liked the matching aesthetic.
> Has casual lolita changed over the years?
Yes. Cutsew+Skirt used to be good enough, but now I feel like it'd get called ita no matter what. That or fairy kei. I'm not salty about this or anything, I just acknowledge that things have changed. I think casual lolita items were like gateway drugs for younger girls who maybe couldn't afford a huge set but still wanted to own something from the brand.
> What do you think of soft lolita?
Misako made that shit up. I think Misako wearing "soft lolita" is cute, but I don't really think that over-analyzing a magazine blurb is productive. Like other anons have said it does have an otome vibe, but I can't tell if that's just Misako's style and her interpretation of casual lolita.
> Should casual coords be posted to CoF?
Why not? Sure there'd be a lot of sad sacks of shit, but that already happens.

[Anonymous No.9138752]

>>9138740
>As for bloomers, who the fuck would know if you didn't wear them?
Right? That's what I was wondering the entire thread... like why is regular underwear not okay?

[galaticbuttholeleakage-chan !!ubR7fgaKHAQ No.9138753]

>>9138752
slut

[Anonymous No.9138755]

>>9137822
>>9137782
>>9137759

Kinda OT, but since someone brought up Misako and otome brands, I'll just put my two cents here.

Misako is a pretty specialised "celebrity" in a very niche market. She's been in Ageha, but I really don't think she can make it outside of lolita. So she has a vested interested in trying to grow the lolita market in general, it's practically the only niche where she can thrive in.

Lolita itself is one of the older street styles that's grown instead of shrunk. Barely anyone seems to wear decora/fairy kei anymore, Ageha has been dicontinued due to disinterest, dolly kei is quiet after one of the e-famous shopgirls left, morigirl is kind of low key crawling along, lolita is the only one from that era where brands open overseas shops instead of close down physical stores.

Put the two together, if Misako can get lolitas everywhere to start thinking of otome brands as "lolita", then she'll have grown her market share simply by annexing a whole other (previously unrelated) street fashion. As for otome, if lolitas buy their stuff, they'll get to cash in some of that sweet overseas market that they previously had no interest in, now that their local Japanese market seems to be buying less -- prior to this the otome brands used to be very clear that they were not a lolita brand, which might be why Misako is pushing the "soft lolita" label, as this preserves the otome brands backpedalling towards marketing to lolita, while giving them a lolita-friendly label so that lolitas buy their stuff.

Well, not a lot of this matters for dresssing casual lolita, but it explains why you're now finding a lot of otome brands in the kajurori tag, and if you've just looked into otome in the last handful of years it's going to look a lot like lolita. If you were looking at otome in 2006 though, the differences were so big, otome was practicallly mainstream fashion with extra cuteness, and lolita was doing the doll thing.

[Anonymous No.9138760]

>>9138752
I hope this is bait. Bloomers are not a replacement for underwear in lolita, even though back in the day that's what the purpose of bloomers was.

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>>9138760
Sorry that you think underwear isn't a general term for undergarments and you think I was just referring to panties. Other anon even mentioned Soffes, which is part of why I replied...

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>>9138755
This makes sense, only you didn't take into consideration that these brands were originally known as lolita brands, and they only started to distance themselves from that label when the word lolita was used very negatively in the media because of a serial killer.

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>>9138763
Right, bait. Charge on.

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>>9138769

The killings (and news) happened in 1980s or 1990s. Decades after this news, otome is so completely different from lolita, you just can't reconcile the two fashions at all, so it's not like they're long-lost twins or anything, they evolved into really different fashions.

In 2000s, a decade after the lolicon backlash, the otome brands were churning out at least 80% unlolitable things -- long skirts, narrow skirts, shorts, long pants, maxi dresses, narrow coats, etc. If you managed to find the older, 2006-era printed fit-and-flare dresses, you'll find they're cut more like H&M or F21 dresses, most don't fit a petticoat at all. In those years, you could maybe find a top, some legwear or some jewellery that could go with your lolita, most of the main pieces were nowhere near loliable.

I think in 2000s they said they weren't a lolita brand because they literally weren't, they don't make lolita things for lolita coords.

How much of the lolicon backlash affected their decision not to be a lolita brand making lolita things is debateable. A far more likely factor, imo, in 2000s, otome was a thriving, flourishing fashion with many Japanese fans, meanwhile 2000s lolita had an image of being "the mentally unstable girl who cuts herself" (in Japan). So otome brands may have decided to distance themselves from lolita for both these reasons, not just one.

Whichever factor is bigger, the history mostly explains why there has to be a "soft lolita" label so that otome brands can now market to lolita without losing their not-lolita brand image.

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>>9137833
I don't know about others but I have seen many normies to flash. All my normie friends wear safety shorts under their skirts too because of this. Your undies will definitely be wisible in stairs, if wind blows your hem up, if you fall, if you bend over, your hem is stuck somewhere and it's so easy you won't even realise. I can't even count how many times my classmates have probably enjoyed the view of my bloomers exposed unintentionally and there are probably countless times I haven't even realised myself. I just can't imagine going without them.

[Anonymous No.9138986]

>>9138837
So the killings happened when Milk and JM were on the rise? Here's the thing, I don't believe Misako is trying to make people think of otome brands as lolita, because people in Japan have been thinking that for a long time already. Hardly anyone tags their coords with soft lolita, but if you look for casual lolita you'll see loads of ETC coords. Including shops calling ETC (casual) lolita.

I'm not saying all otome kei brands are secretly lolita. I'm mainly talking about JM, ETC, Milk and LG. They are unique and different from lolita brands yes, but so are lolita brands from each other (usually). I don't really think of them as lolita brands either, they obviously release many things you can't use for lolita. Just that I've noticed lolita's in Japan use their main pieces for lolita coords and have been doing that before Misako came up with it.

From the way otome kei is described on here, it just doesn't seem like ''soft lolita'' would pass as otome kei. It just looks like toned down or casual lolita to me. That's just my opinion and it's coming from someone who got into this fashion when it was okay to have an ETC dress as your dream lolita dress. And like I said, I don't wear otome kei so maybe I'm wrong about what it's supposed to look like.

[Anonymous No.9139081]

Are cutsew skirts considered casual lolita? Because I have one (AP wonder cookie) and it is the comfiest thing ever. I haven't seen one for sale since and it's been a year, I need more.

[Anonymous No.9139088]

>>9139081
Do you have a picture of it? I can only find the normal skirt

[Anonymous No.9139096]

>>9139088
Sorry this is so small, cropped it from my Instagram.

[Anonymous No.9139099]

>>9139096
I think it would be perfect for casual lolita.

[Anonymous No.9139117]

>>9139099
Sweet! Now I just need to find more...

[Anonymous No.9139200]

>>9137783
This is very cute.

[Anonymous No.9139299]

>>9138986

No, anon, I said the opposite. I said the killings happened too long ago for it to be why otome doesn't want to be associated with lolita.

And, let me just put it this way, if you announced that your ETC dress was your *lolita* dream dress, I'm betting you're pretty new-ish. You'd definitely have gotten some comments posting that on egl when it was active, because there was at least one very vocal pro-otome member who really didn't like otome and lolita getting mixed up. On cgl, it's more likely anons think you announced your otome dream dress in the wrong thread rather than your lolita dream dress, since we have threads on both styles all the time.

I didn't credit Misako with coming up with the idea, just that both she and the otome brands have a lot of incentive to push the soft lolita thing.

However, Misako has actually been pushing Milk and ETC a lot on her ameblo for a a handful of years now, it didn't start with her book, so I don't know where or how the trend really started. Basically if you just got into the fashion in the last four or five years, yeah, you already missed the time period when otome kei was less soft lolita and more its own thing.

I do know that cgl's otome kei threads were doing completely non-lolita things until circa 2012? 2013? -- then there was a sudden influx of newbies who saw some lolita wear otome without a petticoat, then immediately tagged all their fail-lolita outfits as otome, thinking if it's otome instead of lolita then lolitas won't nitpick things like flat petticoats, bright colours, generally uncoordinated outfits. What happened after that is that the otome threads started to focus more on things that looked more like lolita rather than otome's original "cutesy" stylings. The original anons that were into otome for otome and not because it looked like fail-lolita seem to have left, or dwindled down in number by now.

[Anonymous No.9139407]

>>9139299
I said that about the killer based on what Japanese lolita have said. I don't know, I was born in the 90s and I don't speak Japanese well enough to do good research. So I can just choose to believe them or you. I didn't go to cgl until I considered lj beyond saving, so I don't know anything about those threads either, just that really long ago there were lolita's in my comm who had ETC dream dresses and it was normal.
Anyway I don't know why I'm trying to argue about a fashion I don't wear. To make this more on topic, I think ETC, JM, LG and Milk work great with casual lolita.

[Anonymous No.9139541]

>>9139407

You can find the lolicon killer via google, in English, actually. It's up to you who you want to believe or what you want to wear. Personally I don't really care if you tag all your otome brands as lolita, makes a nice change from the nymphette nonsense.

Personally I didn't even think we were arguing. I mean, what's the point? There's no way you can argue otome brands into lolita anyway, the lines and boundaries for that are established not by you or me, but by the ones who have gone before us, have written guides for lolita and otome, have pledged their allegiances to one or the other. These things won't come down so easily, they were built on foundations far stronger than a single 4chan argument, some anon even tried to argue that otome kei shouldn't exist at all, and today we still have the otome thread anyway.

Anyway, yes, select otome pieces do indeed go well with casual lolita.

[Anonymous No.9140053]

Anyone have any more sweet casual stuff? I got pic related but I don't have the matching skirt or tights and I don't really care that much to hunt them down. I'd pair it with a pink skirt/salo but I'm not sure what's suitable for legwear etc.
I swear to god I've seen so many AP super sweet coordinates using t-shirt-style cutsews but now that I'm looking for them I can't find any. Wearing soft t-shirts with lolita just sounds so much more appealing than stuffy blouses some days but I haven't dared to try it yet.
>>9139299
I read this post before I read the rest of the discussion and I swore to god you guys were trying to say Misako committed murders to promote ETC.

[Anonymous No.9140316]

>>9140053

Yeah, sorry about that. I originally just wanted to say, there would be a lot of those particular brands because of the marketing push, and then the serial killer comments kind of took it in a weird turn.

Anyway, to answer your actual question, the cutsew you posted seems to run a little longer, it fits in with Promenade de Paris skirt because the skirt has a fitted yoke, it doesn't go straight into a poofy skirt. If you don't want to tuck in your cutsew, you can stick to skirts with a yoke on top.

[Anonymous No.9140553]

>>9139541
I mean they have told me that's the reason why they didn't want to be called lolita. If you agreed from the beginning that you can use it for casual lolita, why bother reply like this?

[Anonymous No.9140578]

>>9137713
Source on the cardigan?

[Anonymous No.9140584]

>>9140578
Milk, try reverse image search next time

[Anonymous No.9140629]

>>9140553

My first comment is just to say you will find a lot of ETC, JM, and so on because of the soft lolita/misako push. That's all, since people seemed very excited to find so much otome in the kajurori tag.

The one who brought up the lolicon killer was not me, but since it was a reply to me, I said that I thought the time was too long ago for that to be a factor. Otome brands spent thirty years making non lolita things after that. Basically I said I don't think the lolicon killings really factored into otome being non lolita by the time 2000s rolled around.

Then, the person replying said, "do you mean the lolicon killer happened when otome was on the rise". So of course I clarified that no, I actually said the lolicon killings happened too long ago to be a factor. Which is what I said in my first reply to the lolicon killings anyway.

Somewhere along the way the topic got a bit lost, with claiming Japanese lolitas said, Misako didn't invent soft lolita, ETC used to be accepted as lolita, info coming from Japanese lolitas by someone who doesn't speak Japanese, and so on. I mean, I thought I was only explaining why there would be a lot of otome in kajurori, but by the time we got to the fourth exchange now I'm clarifying as well I didn't say Misako invented it but she'd been doing for longer than her new book and has the most interest in pushing it, I have no idea what the Japanese lolitas are saying, ETC could not possibly have been acceptable on egl for at least the last decade because there was this one member who was very vocal about how much lolita differed from otome and commented a lot on it. I don't even know how far back you'd have to go to get to the era where ETC dresses can be lolita and not just a blanket "offbrands can be loliable".

Anyway, since we seem to be crossing so many wires, sorry for derailing the thread. Here's a cute 2009 Misako in Milk instead. I'm fine with this being casual lolita, though no idea if cgl agrees with me.

[Anonymous No.9140728]

>>9140584
Thank you, I have a crappy phone so cannot unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.9141086]

>>9138827
The shirt's pretty cringe-worthy, but the rest of the outfit seems alright to me.

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[Anonymous No.9142693]

>>9137700
>> Is it acceptable to wear sneakers or flats with casual lolita?
Absolutely, as long as they're in good shape and match the coord. Wear comfy shoes! Lolita is a fashion!
>> Is it acceptable to go without petticoat or bloomers?
I like to wear a light petti and safety shorts no matter what. That said, not everything needs a petti.
>> Has casual lolita changed over the years?
Nobody wears camis anymore, there are fewer cutsews, hair is more accessorized and generally less floofy, and people are super nitpicky.
>> What do you think of soft lolita?
Misako, you so weird. Lolita is lolita. Soft lolita is lolita. Otome that gets too matchy is lolita. Everything is lolita.
Seriously, we have enough labels already. Lolita is a spectrum, and soft lolita is just one particular aesthetic from one particular woman.
>> Should casual coords be posted to CoF?
I mean, I'm not averse, but I wear casual punk/oldschool, and I almost never post. It takes too much effort to get a decent shot, and, to me, it's just clothes.

[Anonymous No.9148786]

found

[Anonymous No.9148799]

>>9140053
>I swore to god you guys were trying to say Misako committed murders to promote ETC

[Anonymous No.9148808]

>>9137714
>bloomers.

[Anonymous No.9148821]

>>9148786
I hate to be that person but... unnecessary eye patch?

[Anonymous No.9149091]

>>9148821
she lost an eye in the Great AP Bloodbath of '09

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>>9149091
kek

[Anonymous No.9149199]

Could someone please tell me what the heck is soft lolita and why is Misako promoting it? Googled it but I didn't know where to look.
It sounds like the bittersweet argument all over again.

[Anonymous No.9149238]

>>9149199
Misako has a book that describes different styles of lolita fashion. No one has translates it tough and as far as I know there are no scans of it, only a picture that shows a small part. I think she recommended brands like milk and cerise other than lolita brands. Basically it's lolita-inspired rather than "real" lolita. You disregard the usual rules for lolita (can go without petti, blouse etc) but it's still colour coordinated, ultra feminine and modest.

[Anonymous No.9149244]

>>9149199
See pic related. There are probably more pages and she talk about the book here http://mcha-jp.com/3317

[Anonymous No.9149246]

>>9137700
You cannot be a casual lolita
> Is it acceptable to wear sneakers or flats with casual lolita?
No, neither are acceptable in any coord. Its not a real coord if it doesn't have appropriate shoes.
> Is it acceptable to go without petticoat or bloomers?
No, neither are acceptable to go without, the curtains must match the drapes so they say, thus you must always wear at least one petticoat and bloomers.

> Should casual coords be posted to CoF?
It is a stretch to even call them coords. They should not be posted on a Lolita website.

[Anonymous No.9149255]

>>9149244
I'm seriously considering to buy this and try to translate it using google or something, just for the history of lolita.

[Anonymous No.9149299]

>>9149246
You sound mad.

[Anonymous No.9149306]

>>9149246

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>>9149246

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>>9149199
She promotes it because that's what she wears when she isn't modeling

[Anonymous No.9151242]

>>9149255
You should anon. Someone should.

[Anonymous No.9152849]

>>9139117
Not a skirt but I found a casual AP set http://item.rakuten.co.jp/tokyoalice/a93925/

[Anonymous No.9153026]

>>9138832
who this?

[Anonymous No.9153093]

>>9138839
i like the crosses

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>>9153465

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>>9153466

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>>9153471

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>>9153472

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>>9153475

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>>9153480

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>>9153483

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>>9153485

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>>9153478
I hate those mannequins, so creepy

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>>9153486

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>>9153489

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>>9153493

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>>9153495

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>>9153497

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>>9153498

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>>9153502

[Anonymous No.9153903]

>>9137797
w2c those shoes?

[Anonymous No.9153915]

this thread is so cool

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[Anonymous No.9153944]

I have a ton of casual coords saved up for inspiration. Guess it's time to start a dump???

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>>9153944

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>>9153987

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>>9153989

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>>9153995

[Anonymous No.9154000]

>>9153997
I have more but I think I well end here.

[Anonymous No.9154002]

> Is it acceptable to wear sneakers or flats with casual lolita?

Yes of course so long as they go with the outfit.

> Is it acceptable to go without petticoat or bloomers?

Bloomers yes, petticoat no.

> Has casual lolita changed over the years?

People are calling regular lolita coordinates casual and not many are actually doing "casual lolita" any more

> What do you think of soft lolita?

wtf is that?

> Should casual coords be posted to CoF?

Yes of course, CoF is daily lolita. People should post whenever they wear lolita not only when they get really dressed up for meetups/events.

[Anonymous No.9154011]

>>9137707
>>9137709
>>9137728
>>9137756
>>9138773
>>9149146

Not lolita

>>9137735
>>9137776
>>9137872
>>9138762
>>9138768
>>9138780
>>9138793
>>9138798
>>9138803
>>9138808
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>>9138859
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>>9138986
>>9153493
>>9153955
>>9153960
>>9153959
>>9153963
>>9153968
>>9153989
>>9153995

Not casual

[Anonymous No.9154014]

>>9154011
Oh thank goodness gulls the queen of lolita is here to objectively tell us what is and isn't lolita! Aren't we lucky?

[Anonymous No.9154047]

>>9154011
either add meaningful content (participate in discussion, add new coords) or gtfo. This does NOTHING to contribute to the thread and it just reads as sanctimonious bullshit. You're not the sole arbiter of what is or isn't lolita jesus.

Now so this post actually contributes:
> Is it acceptable to wear sneakers or flats with casual lolita?
Sometimes, if they match and are in good condition. Flats aren't really great for your feet/back or anything but some of them are cute and I feel like they add to the "casual" feeling of a coord. I don't really like sneakers with lolita ever though. I just do not like them.

> Is it acceptable to go without petticoat or bloomers?
Bloomers yes, but it's a good idea to wear some sort of shorts to cover your underwear in case of creeps/wind. I think that a light/low-poof petticoat is best for casual but that it's not ALWAYS necessary (since there are some old school dresses that don't really have room for or require a petticoat. Think the cover of Kamikaze Girls.)

> Has casual lolita changed over the years?
Lots of things that would've been called "casual" when I started are being called "not lolita" and a lot of simple/basic coords are being called "casual" when they're just... simple/basic. It's kind of irritating but not surprising given the OTT trend that's been going for so long.

> What do you think of soft lolita?
I'm familiar with the term.

> Should casual coords be posted to CoF?
I wish people would post them. Casual coordinates can be cute and creative sometimes! I'd love to see more casual lolita on COF.

[Anonymous No.9154058]

>>9154047
*not familiar with the term. oops.

[Anonymous No.9154111]

>>9153987
This cutsew is my dream item.

[Anonymous No.9154838]

>>9154014
I was so lost before she showed up!

[Anonymous No.9155205]

With casual lolita, when is a tshirt different from a cutsew? Like some cutsews like
>>9138808
>>9140053
>>9148786
look just like ordinary tshirts, but the coord is still lolita.

[Anonymous No.9155213]

>>9153987
>>9153989
>>9153959

This girl's wardrobe and coords are so inspiring all the time.

[Anonymous No.9155230]

>>9155205
It's all in the details. Things like puffed sleeves or a cute print make simpler cutsews work better with lolita than any old t-shirt.

[Anonymous No.9155572]

>>9153478
This bitch obviously photoshops her face. Her age is showing on her neck though. kek.

[Anonymous No.9156448]

>>9154011
Found the autist

[Anonymous No.9156478]

>>9155205
They're still much nicer than a regular t-shirt. The fabric would be softer and thicker than a normal jersey, and they're more detailed as well.

[Anonymous No.9157170]

>>9155230
>>9156478
Well, the cute graphics and sleeves are definitely there, I guess just wondering if there is a big difference between a cutsew from AP than, say, a taobao store.

[Anonymous No.9157231]

>>9157170
Personally I wouldn't say so. I'd say, if you do your homework and match your colors, and remain clean in your lines, and keep "simplicity" as the main goal, there's still a chance it could work.

For instance, I know >>9153466 is wearing a brand cutsew, but I love the simplicity of the outfit. If you find a t-shirt that's similar, I think that would suit well. I would even add a bow to the hair! Cute!

[Anonymous No.9157386]

I wish there was an actual "Daily Lolita" facebook group, where people post what they wear on an average day. No cons or meet-ups pictures allowed. It would be nice to see more casual coords other than when a thread like this pops up without people going " You need more of x" or essentially saying not OTT enough and even nice simple coords gets buried by OTT clusterfucks every time.

I love OTT shit as much as the next person, but I want to see people wearing it as a fashion that doesn't get gawked at by every man, woman and child.

I have yet to find a group like this.

[Anonymous No.9157641]

>>9157386
seconding, I hate how simpler coords just aren't appreciated anymore and are seen as incomplete.

[Anonymous No.9157644]

>>9157641
I just don't like clusterfuck coords to begin with, I want to feel like a character in a story, not a hot mess on ig.

[Anonymous No.9157652]

>>9157386
Should we start one? I've never wanted to post in CoF because I only wear daily lolita.

[Anonymous No.9157704]

>>9157652
I think we need one. I also don't post in CoF because shit isn't extravagant enough.

[Anonymous No.9157715]

>>9157652
Would probably be in. How about an ig tag? Would it be also nice or do people already tag their daily coords?

[Anonymous No.9157730]

>>9157715
I already tag my stuff #dailylolita, it looks like a few people do!

[Anonymous No.9157769]

>>9157652
Yes Please do!

[Anonymous No.9157780]

>>9157652
But Casual Lolita Closet already exists on fb.

[Anonymous No.9157801]

There is a fb group, casuallolita tags, and 'your last look' on egl usually has very few OTT coords but it's only once a month

[Anonymous No.9158899]

bumpp

[Anonymous No.9159035]

>>9157644
I'm completely with you on the story thing, that's why I got into lolita in the first place.

[Anonymous No.9164570]

>>9153997
This is perfect. Sauce on the skirt? I think it's IW but can't find the name of the print.