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Old Thread saging into oblivion >>9466571

WW has been on a roll adding a bunch of old school items to their main site and to their account on LM. Somebody hit the BIN on a btssb cake purse seconds before I did. One second it was there, the next it was sold out. I miss the old cake bags and cake hats.

Anybody have any old school lolita twinning/coord matching photos?

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I just really love oldschool black and white.

and the creative desgins. some stuff you don't see that much anymore

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I adore subtle floral prints in old school

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>>9531500
Same here. I'd have an entire wardrobe of these if I could.

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I miss how everyone was into DIY in the day. Custom little things that nobody else had. Even here in the Western comms just because brand was so hard to get ahold of. It was a little more fun i think. I remember wanting to get a cute dress and add extra ribbons and flowers to it like pic related.

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I'm supposed to be saving money.... but wunderwelt just dropped some mega want bombs on me..

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https://item.fril.jp/224edaea3ff77b0a7318c7fe1bdd9df2

Not sure if anyone can salvage this but they've knocked it down to 1,900yen.

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>>9531534
I feel you anon, that sweet 30% off sale...

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I posted in the last thread that I bought this OP and was afraid the bust would be too small for me. Well, it arrived and the shoulders are too small! Not much I can do about that, so I will be letting it go for what I paid ($88) if anyone is interested. Send me a message on LM if you'd want it. User name is thingsweneverdid.

>> No.9531631

>>9531628
Oh, and that $88 includes shipping if you're in the US.

>> No.9531639

>>9531609
Isn't this Bodyline? It looks really nice.

>> No.9531649

>>9531639
yeah, it is. wasn't she wearing the children's version though? or was that another girl?

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>>9531649
I think that was another girl, pretty sure this is the adult verison, pic related

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Thankyou to the anon that posted the link to the auction for Angelica Print OP in pink! I was able to grab it without a fight for only $40! The lavender OP has been a long time wishlist dress of mine but ive never seen it pop up before. But im so excited to have such and old print! I really miss the days of screen printing!

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>>9531666
Another old screen print ive been looking for desperately.

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>>9531667
You dont see this shade of lavender anymore either. Its so lovely im not sure why it never got popular

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>> No.9531686

>>9531666
Congrats, anon!

>> No.9532307

Whenever I go to the old school threads I feel like modern lolita is not only lacking a lot of originality but also the former intended doll vibes. Like, back in the days you were supposed to look like some Victorian porcelain doll. But nowadays especially with ott classic everyone looks like they're wearing literal character cosplays

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>>9532307
Dont let your rose tinted glasses cloud your judgement anon. Old school definately had its wacky OTT shit too (pic related). I mean, I even have a furry hot pink leopard skirt with a bustle in the back from meta.
That said, i do miss how subtle the details were such as the focus on the actual construction of the garment withruffles, pintucks and lace. Even things like flocked and other textured fabric was favored over printed fabric it made lolita both more luxurious and wearable at the same time. You could wear a beautiful ott dress without adding 10 pounds of lace and chiffon, an underskirt down to your ankles, and a boat on the top of your biggest fluffiest wig.

>> No.9532349

>>9531610
I love this girl, anyone have sauce on the shoes?

>> No.9532380

>>9532319
Yeah, I know that OTT has even been around back then. But nowadays you HAVE to be OTT to even be recognized as a Lolita. Also, oldschool ott still had it's focus on looking like a doll and it still had the frumpyness and the vibes of 'i can wear this and it'll still be comfortable'

>> No.9532389

I'm finally going to have access to a sewing machine again soon so I can take care of a ton of repairs! I'm so excited, I've got a number of oldschool pieces that need a bit of TLC before I can wear them. Anyone else have a pile of mending?

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Bought this Meta dress from WW a few days ago (along with a Meta blouse, raschel lace here I come lol), and I'm so excited! I think it's a lot shorter than I realised, though, so we'll see how that works out with my long bloomers.

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>>9531487
>old school lolita twinning/coord matching photos

This is harder than I thought

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http://item.rakuten.co.jp/violetblue/10003820/?scid=af_pc_etc&sc2id=af_117_0_10001056

Not sure if it counts but there's an old Jane Marple dress for 800yen. I'd get it but it's not my style.

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Never thought I'd find this one but it just popped up on LM for cheap!

>> No.9532514

>>9532508
Oh, nice find! Ngl I'm a little envious!

>> No.9532562

>>9532389
I'm thinking of making some more oldschool-inspired main pieces, though what I really need is extra blouses, lol.

>> No.9532697

>>9532389
I have a bunch of stuff that needs buttons sewing back on, ribbons tacked down, lacing replacing or bows removed and converted into detachable bows. I also have a lot of things that need hand-washing, starching and ironing/steaming. I hate sewing and laundry though so I always put it off.

>>9532307
I love oldschool, but the level of detail and attention to quality in materials for even OTT lolita prevent it from looking like a cosplay to me. if anything, the simpler, plainer oldschool cuts look more cosplay-ish - when do you ever see cosplays with digital printing?

>> No.9532704

>>9532389
I just did my mending yesterday! Felt so good. I repaired a majorly torn blouse without a trace of the original damage, replaced old elastic (pain in the ass) and sewed a few buttons on. I felt like a lolita doctor.

>> No.9532709

I know it's a bit anal, but what are the rules in terms of lace-topped OTKs for old school? Is avoiding raschel lace the only thing I need to worry about to fit the aesthetic properly or is there more?

>> No.9532721

>>9532709
There were lace-topped OTKs with raschel lace back then too (it's more personal preference about whether you think it's ugly or matches your coord), but you really need to avoid embroidered tulle lace, since that's pretty much exclusively a modern type. Socks showed up at all sorts of different lengths from rare ankle-length to crew-length to calf-high to knee-high to OTK to a rare thigh-high. Go and look through some old photos and pay close attention to what they're wearing.

>> No.9532723

>>9532709
I think of avoiding tulle lace more than raschel (in terms of meta raschel, not bodyline). also, no screenprinted or very busy prints

>> No.9532731

>>9531666
I was the one who posted it, glad you got it so easily! Enjoy it! I'll keep an eye out for the lavender one as well, I'm sure it'll turn up eventually.

>> No.9532737

>>9532709
I don't think avoiding raschel lace for socks is a rule unless it's white lace on black socks, where quality issues will be very obvious. If the lace isn't absolutely horrid, white on white and black on black should be just fine.

>> No.9532960

>>9531667
Anon I'm thinking of selling the skirt of this in white if you're interested. I know it's a bit of a stretch away from the black op, but just in case you're interested.

>> No.9533048

>>9532960
Actually maybe depending on how much you wanted for it and its condition?

>> No.9533076

>>9532562
Make those blouses! Main pieces are well and good but I'm learning more and more having unique blouses is a really important thing. I have a list of blouse styles and colors I'm after (both for old school and for much less old school).

>>9532697
Oh gosh you reminded me I have a small pile to take to the dry cleaners. And another pile I need a bucket of ice water and oxyclean for. I've got buttons to sew down too...why are brands unable to sew a dang button? I have to take my Karami apart because baby sewed the elastic down inside the channels so what should be an easy fix is instead major surgery. At least I can take it in at the same time. Then there's a few darts that need put in to at least one dress.

>>9532704
That's some amazing sewing wizardry!

>>9532709
The advice about tulle lace doesn't apply in the case of MmM FYI. They've been using custom tulle laces since the early 200s.

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Do any gulls have the measurements on this JSK? I'm worried that the bust may be too small, but it has full back shirring, so I think it should be okay.
Old school dresses are really tricky though because I've had one fully shirred old school OP that didn't fit my bust, then I've had an old school jsk with one tiny shirring panel that fit me too big.
I've looked everywhere, but I can't find anything at all. Even on BABY's old release entries, they don't have the measurements listed for this dress... I'm going to kms, I need this color in my wardrobe.

>> No.9533141

>>9532562
>>9533076
Ive also gotten bavk into sewing again lately. Im super rusty but i have a bunch of old GLBs (vol 1-20) and ive been picking out old cute blouse patterns to sew up this summer. I also want to make some bloomers and aprons to flesh out my wardrobe. Sorry but im not spending $30 on secondhand bloomers. Might as well maks cute ones myself. Only issue is im having a hard time finding nice thick lace for all my sewing projects.

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>>9533100
Where's that stock photo from? Looks like Wunderwelt - don't they usually give measurements?

I'm looking at a confusing measurements on a sax dress too - AP are usually more generously-sized and this dress doesn't look tiny, but Wunderwelt say it's only a 39cm bust measured flat, so maybe an 80cm bust at a push. No shirring either.

I don't really think the dress but I'm tempted by the headdress it comes with

>> No.9533171

>>9533165
This dress is BABY. It's Lily Lane and it's listed on WW but there are no measurements. That's why I wanted to know.

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Anons, I've finally gotten the chance to wear this piece and I'm so sad. It fits alright but for some reason the fabric is incredibly tight around my forearms and restricts blood flow and movement. I can't even text without struggling. It's painful to wear because of this, is there anything I can do? Do I just have fat forearms but small...everything else? I don't want to modify the dress and would most likely put it up on LM or BST thread if there's no hope. I really did not expect the forearms to be a problem area.

Sorry for blog post, just disappointed.

>> No.9533602

>>9533601
A few weeks of forearm training with low weights (0.5kg or less) may help. I did this and managed to lose 3cm after 2months everyday training. Important is that you never take much weight cuz then your muscles will get huge, but if you take small weighs your muscles will stretch. Sorry for bad english, hope you get what I mean

>> No.9533619

>>9533601
it doesn't look that small on the arms though. does it have lining in the arms? probably not, but if it has, the lining could be one of the problems.

and it could be possible indeed that your forearms are a bit too big. human bodies aren't logical, so anything is possible.

>> No.9533621

>>9533602
Thank you so much, I will definitely try this out! I do have some small weights, I guess it's time to use them instead of just doing cardio.
>>9533619
They didn't look small to me in person either, I didn't notice it was even a problem until I tried to lift my arms up. If I keep my arms at my sides I'm perfectly fine. It's unfortunate all around, but I will see about the possible lining you mentioned!

>> No.9533645

>>9533076
I replaced the shoulder elastic in my Karami and I just made a hole in a lining and carefully finished the edges on it. Not planning to sell it and it isn't in a mint condition either so it doesn't really matter. The fabric on the lining wouldn't have survived of taking it apart, it was already so crisp.

>>9533601
I have this problem too. I have a bit fat arms but I work out and work in stables and in a few months my arms grew too big for few dresses. On the other hand I'm proud I'm muscular but it looks like my arms are super fat and the dresses they don't fit into are super pretty so idk anymore. Trying to loose some weight though, maybe it will help as I only need a few cms for comfort too.

>> No.9533670

Speaking of socks, what would you say is a good combo of socks and peaking bloomers? It seems a bit weird to wear them with over knee socks but ankle socks don't seem quite right either. So do they just work with knee/under knee socks?

>> No.9533675

speaking of peeking bloomers, I wonder why some lolitas keep oldschool and 'modern' lolita styles so seperate? I never see coords of printed dresses with drawers/peeking bloomers and UTKs.

>> No.9533677

>>9533601
Maybe your arms are a bit too long for the sleeves? That would result in the sleeves sitting on a thicker part of your arm than they are supposed to and making it uncomfortable, if that makes sense. I often have problems with sleeve length too so I'm a bit wary of long-sleeved OPs, blouses and cutsews (cardigans tend to be fine for some reason).
I hope you'll find a way to wear it comfortably!

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Not to be spammy but nobody was replying on Lolita General so I figured I'd try here.

Is anyone able to ID this dress? it's by Meta and I don't know much else. I can't find it on Lolibrary or by searching Tartan Check.

>> No.9533682

>>9533680
what does it say on the ribbon?

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>>9533682
It's really hard to make out. Top line is 'metamorphose', second line is possibly 'crown'? and I can't read the second bit.

>> No.9533695

>>9533691
probably reads 'crown label', which is their sub-label.

>> No.9533700

>>9533695
Yes, that's it. Ty for your superior eyesight.

Still can't find a name or a listing though, unfortunately.

>> No.9533727

>>9533141
Cheeptrims was the go to back in the days of sew_loli

>> No.9533746

>>9533675
To be honest, if I finally make it to own a pair of peeking bloomers I'll totes wear them with my newer print dress because it'd definitely fit the aesthetic of the dress.

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i've had this set from wunderwelt on my wishlist for ages, but it was too expensive. now it finally went on sale and i ordered it, i'm so happy anons!
such beautiful couch fabric <3

>> No.9534294

>>9533171
You might be able to email them about it to get a response, they have English-speaking customer service.

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>>9533621
If it happens when you lift your arms up, it sounds like >>9533677 might be right that your arms are too long (since lifting your arms would cause the sleeves to slide further backwards to the bigger part of your arm) and the tight part is not hitting at the tight part of your wrist like it should. You can't change your arm length, but since the sleeves are detachable anyway you might be able to unobtrusively mod them and add a few cm in length hidden under the lace where the sleeve detaches. Or you could just wear them with the sleeves detached, or a pair of sleeves from a different dress that aren't too tight.

>>9533670
They work fine with OTKs too IMO. Tights can work but sometimes make it look a bit ouji. I can see ankle socks working with it but it'd have to be an otherwise very summery coord with e.g. eyelet lace on the bloomers.

>>9533675
I've seen people do this but I don't like the way it looks. I'd guess it's because the most doll-like modern dresses are classic dresses that are longer/tea length anyway so bloomers wouldn't show.

>>9533700
I tried to find out when Crown Label started a while back but I got conflicting information...I think one source said they were releasing stuff with that name as early as 2002/3 but another said it didn't start til 2009.

>>9534214
Nice! I'm eyeing up https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-26516 at the moment but I'm worried it's too short.

>> No.9534341

Is it possible to wear old school when I'm an inverted triangle shape? I wanna wear puff sleeves and peter pan collars, but I'm afraid id look awful.

>> No.9534361

>>9534341
There are plenty of other design details in oldschool, go look through some snaps. Mana also managed somehow and, as a man, he's an inverted triangle by default.

>> No.9534429

>>9534361
Huh, I guess so! I'm planning on losing weight in my chest, so maybe that will help too. Thanks anon, Ill look at him for inspo.

>> No.9534471

>>9534305
I'm petite (about 4'10) so I've never encountered this before! I guess the dress was just designed this way. Not really related but, for anyone interested in Cornet, I own 5 pieces from the brand and they are all very very short in length!

The sleeves are not detachable, they're sewn to look that way. I will probably end up altering them to either be detachable or just make it a short sleeved OP.

>> No.9534611

>>9534471
Yeah I had a Cornet OP and sold it for being too short ... I'm 5'3

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>>9534471
>tfw 5'6" and just put in an order for a Cornet OP

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>>9533165
It's probably their S size in which case the measurements sound accurate. I have a very similar size S AP dress and it just barely fits me at 31" bust/24" waist.

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Did Mode girl OP come in red at all?

>> No.9535043

>>9533165
I had this op in pink in the past and I can tell you it's a small size. It hasn't any kind of shirring. At the time time I was 82 cm on the bust and it was a little tight. The fabric was a bit heavy. Also, in the pic it lacks the detachable collar!

>> No.9535073

>>9534917
Dumb question, but I thought the only brand that offers different sizes was IW?

Let not burn me in hell, I'm still kinda new to this

>> No.9535174

>>9535073
no, some older AP and various older baby/AATP pieces come in 2 or 3 sizes

>> No.9535228

>>9535174
Thank you for this info! I'll definitely keep this in mind as I'll probably always need to get the largest size then because boobs

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>>9535228
Anyone have photos of VW (or VW-like) RHS in colours other than black and white? I mined the oldschool lolita tumblr RHS tag and only found these two. I'm thinking of buying a pair but I already own multiple pairs of black and white RHS so I'd rather buy a wine pair.

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>>9535512

>> No.9535763

>>9535073
>>9535228

Also some items from brands including Meta, MMM, and AATP come in Womens and Mens sizing

>> No.9536052

>>9535514
okay can someone tell me how the fuck to keep the straps up like this

someone please make a tutorial or something

>> No.9536074

>>9535763
Well, that should be common knowledge, if even I know this.

>> No.9536075

>>9536052
I have no idea, and that fear is the reason I've never bought a pair.

People always say sock tape, but I'm dubious of that suggestion.

>> No.9536081

>>9536052
Put them up for a pic and then wrap them around your ankles again.

>> No.9536214

>>9536075
I think people who bought the bodyline ones said they're rather tight. I also tried a pair of them on and think that especially if you wear socks underneath them they'll definitely stay up

>> No.9536267

>>9536052
My guess is a bit of the velcro sticks to your socks.

>> No.9536333

>>9534305
I have a Crown Label dress that's quite old, and lolibrary has listings for Crown Label stuff released at CL events from 2002. It's def way older than 2009.

>> No.9536416

>>9536052
Whether they'll stay up naturally depends partly on whether the length is right to wrap around your leg enough times to reach a bit where it won't slip down while your muscles flex. My Lolita Lola ones have longer straps that stay up more easily, but my Bodyline ones are nearly impossible to wear up because the straps are too short to get above the fat part of my calf. The dude in the pic looks like he has the same issue though, so I'm wondering if he just put them up tight for the pic or has glued them.

>> No.9536697

>>9533601
hey anon, you can probably get it altered just minorly. have a seamstress add a little bit of fabric between the sleeve seam or something. it's an easy thing to reverse for when you want to sell.

I could also say, hey anon, beauty is pain...that's how you know you're doing it right! but that's kind of dangerous and you should be able to enjoy that beautiful dress.

slight modifications aren't that bad!

>> No.9536737

>>9536333
OP here, still haven't found it. I've tried every mix of search terms I can think of, Meta, CL, tartan, OP, ribbon, red, check, and many more.
I'm just determined to ID it now. Hopefully when it arrives I can inspect it properly and see if I can find any clues!

>> No.9537115

Did one of you buy the cream trumpet sleeve lace OP? I was waiting to see if something else I liked came up to combine shipping and now it's gone. My heart hurts. Has anyone seen one somewhere else? I want cream or white only, and not the mini wedding dress, a knee length trumpet sleeve OP

>> No.9537567
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9537567

Augh dang, the Meta dress I got from VioletBlue arrived, and it's in perfect condition but...it's obvious now the listing on lolibrary is either wrong or it's a re-release dress that hasn't been noted and thus has no lolibrary entry. Still a good dress tho so I ain't mad, just sad it's not the 2001 release I thought it was. Tag is too new, and the care tag says it's nylon, not burberry cotton. And I'm 100% sure it's this exact dress, it's even got the spots for the missing collar and cuffs this dress is supposed to have.

https://lolibrary.org/items/meta-burberry-formal-op

>> No.9537571

>>9537567
I can't find it now so either someone picked it up or the listing expired and hasn't been renewed yet, but this OP was up on y!j with the collar and cuffs for a few weeks now for a pretty good price. Sorry the one you got wasn't the one you were looking for though.

>> No.9537582

>>9537571
Yeah I saw, it was like 100 dollars? I got this one for like 27€ so no regrets at the price it was! I knew it wouldn't have the collar/cuffs before I bought it too, so it's not like that was a surprise or anything.

>> No.9537599
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9537599

https://item.fril.jp/64df6861a0ee7eea756a8730ff9a620c

If anyone is currently looking at it or sees it in the future, don't bother trying to buy it. The seller never responds. I tried to order it and then cancelled when I saw the comments saying some people waited a week with no response.

>> No.9537601
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9537601

>>9535512
I got you Anon

>> No.9537604

>>9537582
Last time I saw it it was a little under 8k yen. As long as you're okay with what you got, that's what matters!

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9537605

>>9537601

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9537606

>>9537605

>> No.9537609
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9537609

>>9537606

>> No.9537610
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9537610

>>9537609

>> No.9537614
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9537614

>>9537610

>> No.9537645

>>9537601
That's not an old scan though, it's an example of much more modern styling on an old dress (what Baby would call "traditional lolita style", I guess?)

>> No.9537669

>>9537606
What is this dress called?? I just decided that I need it

>> No.9537718

>>9537604
It sold a week ago for 5k yen, the seller reduced the price with every relist.

>> No.9537756

>>9537669
It's on lolibrary, go search for it yourself.

>> No.9537836

>>9537756
How if I don't know it's friggin name?? Like, the photo quality is so potato otherwise I'd be able to read the name of the dress myself, thanks

>> No.9537904

>>9537836
>angry noob

You search generic keywords like "angelic pretty floral OP" "angelic pretty rose op" to see if that comes up. You can also use keywords attached to design features you think it might have, such as "long sleeves" or "detachable sleeves", but not all entries are tagged properly so it doesn't always work. If that fails, you use advanced search to look through all AP OPs by year and color, using the date you think the scan is from as a guide.

Consider it a learning experience, even summerfags have to learn how to use lolibrary properly sometime.

>> No.9537907

>>9537904
>use advanced search
Have you even been on lolibrary in the past year?

>> No.9537917

>>9537907
They brought filtering by category back up a couple of months ago, it's just not as good as it used to be.

>> No.9537918

>>9537904
I guess you need to learn it yourself. Just as >>9537907 says, the advanced search is long gone since the latest update and the chance that the dress will even pop up when using the right tags is rather low

>> No.9537937

>>9537669
I believe it's this one: https://lolibrary.org/items/ap-square-neck-ribbon-collar-op Except the one used in the ad is a lot more fancy, it's possibly a OOAK piece for a fashion show or something similar.
>>9537904 is right though, you could have found it on lolibrary pretty easily yourself with just a little bit of thought. Searching for "angelic pretty detachable sleeves op" and looking for a dress that looks similar to the one you want isn't difficult.

>> No.9538875

>>9537937
The sax version is up on WW right now if anyone's interested, with their sale coupon you could get it and a headdress for 5k yen. It's the one >>9533165 linked.

>> No.9539031

>>9534294
I think I'll do that if it's still up, I just love that powdery sax color so much. I've searched on the very depths of Japanese and English lolita entries, can't find a single measurement...
>>9534917
Length? Just out of curiosity.

>> No.9540391

>>9537645
Hair and makeup maybe, but everything else is perfectly fine.

>> No.9540486

>>9538875
Just a warning, you have to spend a minimum of 10,000 yen to use the coupon. I was going to get a cardigan until that requirement stopped me...

>> No.9540500
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9540500

Hello gulls, could someone help me find the name of this dress ? I think it's AP but that's the only info I have.

>> No.9540527

>>9540391
The shoe options and alternative hair accessory options aren't period either, Japanese girls don't think about oldschool like Westerners do - a modern example of how to style an oldschool dress can't be taken as showing how to get an oldschool look.

>> No.9540556
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9540556

can anybody help me find the lolibrary link for this dress? I really just want the stock image + measurements

>> No.9540562

>>9540500
Can't help you but it's gorgeous. Consider me jelly.

>> No.9540826

>>9540556
Do you have a brand for starters? I assume Baby but it'd be useful to confirm.

>> No.9540850
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9540850

>>9540556
Looks similar but not identical to the 2007 release of BtSSB's Lace Frill JSK. IIRC there were two releases of this JSK with a gap in the lace for pintucks at the front of the skirt rather than a different lace panel, but I can only find one on the current lolibrary database right now - it's possible it's the other one.

https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-waist-double-ribbon-lace-frill-jsk

>> No.9540880
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9540880

Just ordered this beauty from grandbazaar for about $60, I'm so excited!

>> No.9540882

>>9540880
fffuuuuu that is a beaut, good taste and find anon!

>> No.9540957

I'm trying to decide if darting in the shoulders of my blouses would remove some of the old school frump or not. Thoughts?

>> No.9541031

>>9540880
Wow, that's stunning! Please post pics when you get it!

>> No.9541098

>>9540880
Nice get!

>> No.9541421

Where do you even get rhs anymore? I dont know what to do since bodyline quit restocking

>> No.9541452

>>9541421
I feel like we've looped back around to VW being the only reliable source. Lolita Lola's suck, bodyline doesn't restock, all the other knockoffs have faded into the mists of time. Personally I'm saving up for a pair of VWs, I'm hoping they're more sturdy and won't detach at the first stumble on cobblestones like my Lola's do.

>> No.9541453

>>9541452
Additionally according to Martin, Lola won't be making another run of their RHS. So what Martin can get is it.

>> No.9541459

>>9541421
I just bought some from antaina, they havent come in yet so I cant say if theyre good or not, but at least antaina has a few different options of RHS still available.

>> No.9541499

>>9541452
Lolita Lola's are the best ones aside from VW of course. What are you on about? Did you get yours preowned or from a new batch? Mine are older so maybe the quality has depleted.

>> No.9541532

>>9541499
Mine are a newer batch, I bought them last year. The soles have detached every time I've worn them after a stumble on uneven sidewalk. I don't know if I'm just unnaturally hard on shoes, but for me personally the Lola's don't do it. In contrast I've walked 20k+ over a couple of days in my Yosuke stripper heels and they're still pretty dang solid.

>> No.9541957

>>9540562
I can't wait for it to arrive.

>> No.9541983

>>9541459
So does Angelic Imprint, I have some chunky mary janes from them and so far they are very decently made, no weird glue or extra seams, and have held up well. They feel sturdy. I'm not sure if their RHS are the same, but I hope so.

>> No.9542000
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9542000

Groan. Why must I lose my head every time something black and velvety comes up? I way overpaid for this....

>> No.9542014

>>9542000
You were fighting me, that's why. I wasn't originally even gonna go that high, but then I just gave up lmao.

>> No.9542017

>>9542014
Pffft nice, I wondered if I was battling a gull. I wasn't going to go that high either honestly. I really need to be less impulsive on my bidding, auctions are dangerous.

>> No.9542033

>>9542017
lmao I thought the same thing, I was like "hmmm will someone mention this on CGL soon" and lookie here! Auctions are the worst when you're the type that hates to lose lmao...it's so hard to resist!

>> No.9542044

>>9542014
>>9542017
I forgot to watch this auction.. how high did it go for? Too bad you guys didn't grab it when it was BIN on Mercari.

>> No.9542052

>>9542033
Hah. Just proof that it's a small world around here. I do hate to lose, it's why I honestly hate auctions so much and I periodically take long breaks from them. It's a really bad mindset that I need to break. Might have to impose a buy ban on myself for awhile, even though there's a couple pieces I want for a coord up.

>>9542044
Bit over 21000 yen. I'm now going to go be salty it was up for BIN on mercari.

>> No.9542055

>>9542052
Damn anon, tough luck! It was 14000 BIN on Mercari...

>> No.9542057

>>9542055
All my salt anon, all my salt. Win some deals, lose some deals I suppose, but this is going to be one of the most expensive pieces in my closet.

>> No.9542063

>>9542055
The seller even reduced it to 11000 yen after two days..
But anyway congrats, it's really pretty and seems to be in a great condition for a 15 yo dress.

>> No.9542069

>>9541421
>>9541499
I like my Lolita Lolas (much nicer quality inners than Bodyline) but they detached too (bought two years ago), it's probably worth getting a cobbler to nail them on or something. Bodyline has restocked some styles too.

An*Tai*Na and I think Angelic Imprint still do some (including those ruffly ones famous from Antenna) but I hate the style of theirs. I like to buy wood-soled shoes second-hand from Baby as well, like the Baby Victoire shoes that look similar to RHS. I prefer my Angelic Imprint shoes to my An*Tai*Na shoes but I don't own RHS from either.

>> No.9542195

>>9539031
The total length is 79 cm, from waist to hem is 46. I'm 5'2" and it falls a little past mid thigh.

>> No.9542294

>>9541421
Bodyline is still restocking the black/white/red ones for $26. I just got a pair from their Rakuten.

>> No.9542303
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Current Bodyline RHS status. If you're using FromJapan for an order I recommend getting them from their Rakuten during a 10-20% off FJ Rakuten sale.

>> No.9542448
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9542448

Does anyone know if the bows on these shoes are moveable or are they fixed in place? They look kind of ugly smack in the front and eould be cuter if you could move the bow to the side instead

>> No.9542449

>>9542055
I saw it for that, but I had already put in a bid with a max of 10000 with Japonica, and I thought "meh, I don't wanna pay that much for it". Then I thought "well, I COULD pay that much" during the last bits of the auction and well...congrats to the winner tho lmao.

>> No.9542455

>>9542303
Bless you, anon. I just ordered the long strap version in both black and white. I had checked their website yesterday hoping to see them so I could order, and never thought to check Rakuten as well!

>> No.9542536

>>9542000
This is me to a T, half my wardrobe is black velvet. There's just something about it unlike anything else.

>> No.9542681

For the Bodyline rocking horse shoes are they true to size?

>> No.9542685

>>9542681
I think they run a little small. I'm a US size 9 and am between L and LL for most brands (Can wear L in AATP and Meta, LL for most others). For those I got a 26cm and they fit well with socks, 25.5 is a good fit but not with thick socks.

>> No.9542698

>>9542681
They run at least a half size small. I wear 24.5 in Bodyline and I could just barely squeeze my foot into a pair of 24.5 RHS.

>> No.9542700

Someone snag this and get yourself a good deal. I'm not a skirt person and I'd hate to buy it just to resell.

https://item.fril.jp/736b11c89a4ff47c99f4e294ec1ed29b

>> No.9542714

>>9542700
If my 71 cm waist would fit it...
>mfw i'm not even overweight
I would like to know other than Meta if there are other 70+ cm waist old school skirts, most of them barely fit a 65 cm waist.

>> No.9542718

>>9542685
>>9542698
Awesome! I too am normally a 24.5, but there are none left in black for that size. Going on up it is.

>> No.9542724
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9542724

This AP skirt could be used in old school coords or it's too 'modern'?

>> No.9542748
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9542748

I just won an auction for this and I am in love.

>> No.9542781

>>9542724
Not for super old oldschool but you could definitely use it for something 2004-2007 sweet style if you take a look through G&LBs of that time.

>> No.9542793

>>9542748
Congrats! How much was your winning bid?

>> No.9542808

>>9542714
I think I've maybe seen some IW that have shirring, but even some of those lolibrary says only go up to like 72cm lol...

>> No.9542831

>>9542793
8,900 yen

>> No.9542895

>>9542681
I found mine true to size? Typical bodyline sizing.

>> No.9542898

>>9542681
To me they are insanely narrow, im a US 7 but my feet are wide, I have to order like 2 sizes up to not feel like my foot is being crushed to death.

>> No.9542943

>>9542895
How many pairs of BL shoes do you own? Bodyline sizing is inconsistent so it mgiht be that the other pairs you have also size small - the RHS infamously run narrow and are half a size small on mostpeople.

>> No.9543330

>>9542781
It's that the style I aim despite isn't really old school. Maybe if I stick with all white with torchon or eyelet lace items and white or red shoes would work.

>> No.9543333

>>9542808
Sigh, the solution would be buy recent old school looking pieces.

>> No.9543378

>>9543330
Sorry, I'm not sure if I understood what you meant.

>> No.9543380

>>9540826
>https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-waist-double-ribbon-lace-frill-jsk
seller said baby. It was ridiculously cheap with minor damage so I don't care all that much if it isn't.

>> No.9543384

>>9540850
Thank you!

>> No.9543720

>>9543378
I mean wear the skirt with a cotton blouse (with cotton lace), lace topped socks, red bag and shoes, white rectangle headdress or with red accents. Red old school tote bags are difficult to find now I think about it.

>> No.9544073

>>9542714
I have two from maxicimam that have full elastic. I don't know about the release years since maxicimam is hard to track down, but they work well

>> No.9544203

>>9543720
Yeah, you could coord it that way. Coords using that sort of colour scheme were still popular after polka dots became a thing.

>> No.9544368
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9544368

Had this JSK bookmarked a while but can't afford it, so dumping it here since I know these threads are full of green velvet fiends. The release year is more recent but this dress is totally oldschool-appropriate - Velveteen Candy Ribbon JSK for ¥9504.

http://www.maidenclothing.net/script/detail.php?id=154064817001
https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-velveteen-candy-ribbon-jsk
https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-velveteen-candy-ribbon-jsk-2011

>> No.9544543

>>9541031
>>9540882
>>9541098
Thank you guys! I will definitely post pics, I'm so excited

>> No.9545671

>>9544073
That is good to know! Unfortunately not all the MAM skirts I saw have full shirring waist, well I can always ask my SS for detailed sizing.
>>9544203
I want to stick only with white and a bit of red because old school has mostly color block or accent coordinating. I would try a old school coord with this skirt later. Probably also black instead of white would work with polkadot red or it's too modern?

>> No.9546014

>>9545671
I think because the lace and polka dots are white and polka dots are extremely retro and sweet you're better off sticking with white, or maybe a bit of pink like in >>9542991 (older) or >>9543065 (more modern). Especially by 2005-2006 you saw AP mixing red and pink.

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9546071

In the older GLBs I noticed that a few of the hair tutorials have clip in/tie in spiral curl extensions - any idea where to get them from these days? I can find heaps of clip on curly ponytail extensions, but not the perfect sausage spiral curls

>> No.9546166

>>9546071
https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/110062541/double-lolita-romantic-lolita-ringlet

I've never owned these but Ophelia got asked what she was using now on a post on CoF a while ago and linked these. I've had them bookmarked since then but I'm too worried about getting an inaccurate colour match to order.

>> No.9546441
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9546441

I got these AP socks from Wunderwelt and the hang tag looks old. Anyone know what year it might be?

>> No.9546527

>>9546441
IDK about the hang tag but they were using that font for the embroidered logo around 2005

>> No.9546639

>>9546071
I like how they're all 'fuck even partings, you're gonna be wearing a hat anyways'

Don't know if it helps but ebay has these:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-DANCE-RINGLET-TIE-IN-PONYTAIL-HAIR-PIECE-EXTENSION-WITH-MULTI-COLORS-/311412073588?hash=item48819b2474:g:W4oAAOSwLnBX2QTe

It also might be worth using 'dance' in your search as well on places like aliexpress etc, since ringlets are frequently used in Irish dance.

>> No.9546682

So I just figured out my main style might be a mix between gothic and old school and I want to start buying some older pieces. My question is, do any of the older pieces from 2008 and below (esp. 2004-2007) have shirring? How can I search for old dresses on yahoo auctions or other sites?
Plus, has anyone bought RHS from ebay? I'm kind of iffy about them, but they do have my size.

>> No.9546777

>>9546682
>Yes, have you tried typing "shirring" into lolibrary and even clicking search, they show the year for everything in the thumbnails. Honestly if you want bigger pieces look mostly for Meta, a lot of their stuff is more forgiving, I have a dress from 2002 with no shirring but like an 88cm waist and it's gorgeous. Meta also did and still does a lot of shirring, plenty of their old pieces have shirring. If you're on the slightly bigger side also stay cautious of IW, even with shirring I find a lot of their older pieces run a bit small especially in the bust.
>You search the brand name, look at the dresses, and if you see one you want you either recognize it already or go look it up to see how old it is. There is no magic 'old dress' search button or term, half the time sellers don't know or don't remember how old stuff is or don't bother to write it in the description. Half the time the dresses don't have names aside from "Baby the Stars Velvet Black Lolita Gothic One Piece" or whatever. I learned to recognize dresses from going through tons of lolibrary listings and old pictures as a side hobby. That's the only way really, looking stuff up. You have to learn to recognize hallmarks that might make a dress "older" so you can look at something and go "oh, this looks old" and then you go try and find it on Lolibrary or whatever. Sometimes you can also date stuff by tag pictures, it doesn't work for Baby, but Meta has been through a few logos, and AP has been through like six or seven of them.
>What shop are you looking at? Just "rhs from ebay" tells us nothing, but if you have the listing or shop you're looking at maybe someone here can help. I'd buy from Bodyline instead honestly, their shipping isn't even that bad (probably because i'm euro) and at most you end up paying like what 23.99 + 16 shipping so about 40 bucks for a pair of shoes, which isn't really that bad for shoes honestly.

>> No.9546797

>>9546777
Augh I fucked up my formatting, sorry about that anon.

>> No.9546953

>>9546527
Neat, thanks.

>> No.9546957

>>9546014
Thank you anon!I have a pink/red dots cardigan (not sure if would look good though) to coordinate with a simple blouse for a 'modern' look. The 'old school-ish' coord will be in white, I would try to make a guro coord out of it with a bloody eyepatch.

>> No.9547060

>>9546957
I'm not sure if guro would go with polka dots but I can see it coming together in a FRUiTS-y way with the right styling (like a damaged sweet lolita instead of trying to make the whole outfit scary/gothic).

>> No.9547231

>>9546682
What the other anon said, if you familiarise yourself with old releases you'll find they come up often.

For example, Wunderwelt are having a sale with a discount coupon right now, and a bunch of their Moitie stuff is older. Here's just a few examples from the series I recognised or found it easy to look up.

These are from 2002:
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-08372
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-07869
https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-flocky-print-corset
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-07494
https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-flocky-print-bustier

These are from 2003:
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-07823
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-11257
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-23453
https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-velvet-ribbon-jsk

These are from 2002:
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-05567
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-12105
https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-velvet-triple-tiered-jsk
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-26126
https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-velvet-triple-tiered-skirt

This is from 2006:
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-10911
https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-jacquard-bustle-skirt

This is from 2004:
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-11746
https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-lace-trimmed-jacket-bk
https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-lace-trimmed-skirt-black

And I can't find a lolibrary entry for this at all but if I was a gambling woman I would bet my right hand that it's old as balls. Looking at the cut I'd guess 2000-2002, and I'm sure I've seen it in a street snap somewhere:
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-20377

>> No.9547358

>>9546639
>>9546166
Thanks! The old GLB hair and makeup is great for seeing how much expectations and styles have changed. It has deliberately uneven height pigtails, parts all over the place and super flat pulled back hair that you'd get crucified for these days, as well as Misako with her eyes completely outlined in black.

>> No.9547411

>>9547231
>>9546777
Please stop spoonfeeding someone who is too lazy to google such simple information or search through the archive.

>> No.9548430

>>9547411
Salty that your awnsers are never awnsered, anon? Seriously I don't get why people get so salty on cgl over someone awnsering a stupid question.

>> No.9548481

>>9546777
>>9547231
Thank you anons! And sorry for all the trouble.

>> No.9548568

>>9548481
Naw its fine, some people maybe consider it "spoonfeeding" but I'd rather just tell you at least how it's roughly done and leave you to your own devices rather than let you fumble blindly around. (I'm first anon.) I was lucky enough to have a friend who helped me with some stuff. There's plenty of stuff we didn't even tell you obviously, like you'll have to figure out what SS to use, how to wash and whiten yellowed lace, stuff like that, and you still have to figure out what dresses you like and understand how to recognize older stuff on your own...buying secondhand can be a real toss-up, so good luck!

>> No.9548615

>>9547411
I just really want older Moitie to get more love, I figured it might help more people in the thread than just OP.

>> No.9548645
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9548645

I just bought this in white from Wunderwelt!

>> No.9548681

>>9548645
That's lovely, congrats Anon!

>> No.9548707

>>9548645
Congrats! Oh man seeing this coorded is so nice.

>tfw we'll never have a lolita renaissance and go back to this styling

>> No.9548753
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I bought this for only $60 from WW but it didn't fit, if one of you was looking at this you can have it at cost plus shipping from US (so probably 6.80 domestic) before I list it. Here's my LM and proof photo. I would love to trade for a cream or white trumpet sleeve OP, I have those in a couple fabrics and the bust is bigger.

It looks nice in person, I'm sad about the sizing https://www.wunderwelt.jp/en/products/w-26439

https://egl.circlly.com/users/leigh99

>> No.9548762

>>9548645
Beautiful, it's my favorite kind of oldschool.

>> No.9549056

>>9548753
What are the measurments anon?

>> No.9549117

>>9548753
Shame it's in the US and that it doesn't fit, anon, it's lovely. If you cannot find a US buyer I'd be interested.

>> No.9549270

>>9547411
chill, we're always in need of more people helping out and less salt

>> No.9549293

>>9549056
WW says 92 bust, 90 waist. I measured it at approx 90 bust 80 waist...

>> No.9550282

https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/btssb-cross-lace-old-school-op

I think someone was looKing for this cross lace op

>> No.9550308
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>>9550282
I was going to buy this until I saw they don't ship outside of the US

>> No.9550452

>>9550282
Well damn. If I hadn't just made a big purchase I'd snatch this up because it's exactly what I've been looking for. There's such a shortage of old school blackxwhite lace dresses elsewhere.

>> No.9550459

What is best way to get rid of stubborn sweat stains? Apparently a Cornet op I bought was never washed and it was so gross. Now I have rubbed the staining in the collar with toothbrush and gall soap and threw it into washing machine. Better already but there are still faint visible stains. Will probably buy vodka tomorrow to disinfect some of my other garments and this op, it was so gross it must smell awful once I sweat even a bit.

>> No.9550467

>>9550308
this. it's so frustrating.

>> No.9550497

>>9550459
Making a paste of oxyclean and letting that sit a while helps a ton for me.

>> No.9550538

>>9550497
Is there a difference between Oxyclean and generic-brand oxi stain removers? Oxyclean isn't sold in my country.

>> No.9550539

>>9550308
What's your feedback like? If you have a good feedback record and aren't going to kick off about having it sent tracked without being marked down, they might accept anyway if they can't get a US buyer. Might be worth asking.

>> No.9550558

>>9550539
other anon, but I messaged the seller if she would consider selling outside the US, and despite having 60+ feedback I haven't got a message back even though she read it.

I don't think there's any chance for us Eurofags

>> No.9550567

>>9550282
Shit i really want it but im a 96 bust. Im not sure if i can get down to 92 to fit it. Wondering if i could let out the seams a bit to get the girls to fit comfortably...

>> No.9550576

>>9550567
don't do it, anon

>> No.9550613

>>9550497
I'm an Eurofag like >>9550538 probably is and I think Vanish is same? Not sure though. I usually avoid strong stain removers because they can be quite harsh compared to natural options but I will probably try it out with this one.

>> No.9550617

>>9550539
OP here, I only have one bit of feedback as I don't really use LM, so it's unlikely

>> No.9550914
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9550914

Heads up to old school lolitas:
Bodyline has restocked many of their torchon lace headdresses. My collection grows stronger.

>> No.9550984

>>9550914
Bless. I need to grab a couple while they're cheap.

>> No.9550994

>>9550914
I adore the non-Bodyline ruched headdress second from the top, where's it from? I saw a similar black one ages ago and have been looking for a similar one since for more modern/gothic coords.

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>>9550994
It is a beauty, I got it from wunderwelt and the brand is BTSSB. I will keep an eye out for you if I see a similar one on secondhand sales!
This 2007 AP dress has been on CC for ages. I really love it.

>> No.9551030

>>9550282
I'm glad to see this post go up and confirm there's both a velveteen and non-velveteen version! I have the velveteen and love it to death; I hope someone can get this one and do it some justice.

>> No.9551264

>>9550914
just found one & threw it in with my mercari order^^ hopefully it's in good condition

>> No.9551347

>>9550567
Buy it and if it doesnt fit sell it to Europe. I would be happy to pay even bigger price.

>> No.9551349

>>9551030
Is there a lolibrary entry for one of them?

>> No.9551516

>>9550914
They are horrible, you can tell they're a shitty replica from a mile away

>> No.9551520

>>9550308
Same here lmao, I was the one looking for it.

>> No.9551546
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9551546

In the spirit of buying stuff, I'm excited I have this on its way to me, I'd been eyeing it on Fril forever and my birthday is coming up, so this is my present to myself. It was 7500 yen but I noticed they were having a special promo where if you comment before you buy you get an extra 10% discount, so I asked Japonica to do that for me and they did, so I got it for a cool 6700 yen! I'm very excited.

>> No.9551549
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9551549

From the Worldwide sales comm, AP Velour Shirring OP but in red colorway? Lolibrary doesn't have it but it matches up exactly, tag and all.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Angelic-Pretty-gothic-lolita-one-piece-dress-/152611842066

https://lolibrary.org/items/ap-shirring-velour-op-with-ribbon

>> No.9551558

>>9551349
No, there isn't. If I could find any info on them then I'd make one, but all I know is that it's pre-2000. There's an illustration of it from Baby out there somewhere, shown alongside another dress, and the other dress was in a snapshot from early 2000, so all I know now is that it's 2000 or earlier and has two versions- velveteen and cotton, with a red colorway as well. (That actually might be enough to make an entry with, especially since I have the measurements, now that I think about it)

>> No.9551560
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9551560

This Cornet OP is currently up on cc if anyone's interested!

>http://www.closetchildonlineshop.com/product/137360

>> No.9551572

>>9551546
Ha, I'm glad a gull bought it. Happy birthday! I own it in blue and pink and it's stunning anon, my favorite old school dress. There are transparent leafs sewed into the fabric that you can only see up close or if the light falls in the right position, then you can see the slightly shimmering threads. One part of the lace at the bottom is also see-through.

>> No.9551574

>>9551572
Uggghh this makes me even more excited!! I can't wait until it gets to fall so I can wear it, or at least a cooler summer day. It just shipped today and is on its way! Also if you feel like sharing pics, I'd love to see what the blue and pink colorways look like, since lolibrary doesn't have them.

>> No.9551585

>>9550613
Try it with baking soda first if you're nervous, that works for me, or it'll at least put a dent in it

>> No.9551644

>>9551516
I own a bunch of Bodyline and brand headdresses and BL headdresses are not horrible. It gets boring and repetitive seeing them in coords because they only have two designs (which, yeah, you can spot a mile off), but quality and lace and everything used on them is completely fine (except the ribbon lacing, which is shinier but also easy to replace).

I don't like the round headdresses though because the ribbon tails on the round bit don't point downwards when you tie it on your head.

>> No.9551660

>>9551644
I sewed a comb onto the round headdress so I can put it anywhere on my head like a barrette.

>> No.9551669

>>9550613
I use Vanish and it works really nicely, got some good stains out of an AP dress I got, whitened the lace on some Meta I have too. I also used it to take a thrifted blouse from dingy yellow to bright white. I use Vanish Gold, I tried to find the differences between the Vanish powders but I honestly couldn't when I was in the store. I think as long as you're careful about the concentration and dilution of it, it's fine. It's way more gentle than my washing machine would be, honestly. If you're not sure though, I search up vintage blogs to get tips. If it's good enough for lace from the 40s, it's good enough for my burando.

>> No.9551683

>>9551669
Would it be alright on black? I have a bunch of pieces with yellowed lace but they're all blackxwhite so I've mostly learnt to accept it and coord it like it's antique white...

>> No.9551746

>>9551683
I have washed black pieces with it and haven't experienced any fading, the one I got says it was ok for colors so I trusted it? The water did come out slightly tinged greyish tho, so I'm trying to be careful, but it did not appear to affect the color. I try to only use it once or so to lighten the whites and lift the stains, and then for regular cleansing I use mild laundry detergent. I didn't experience the slightly tinged water affecting the color of the lace either. If you are unsure I'd spot test it first somewhere that it's hard to see to make sure the dye doesn't bleed/lift. You can also make a paste and try to only put it on the white parts as best you can, but when you do that you have to be careful it doesn't sit very long.

But like I had a Maxicimam OP I got 2nd hand with a detachable collar that had a yellowish tinge to the back of it where it would sit on the neck, and now there is barely a trace of it.

I used this one: http://www.vanish.co.uk/products/powders/vanish-gold-oxi-action-powder/

>> No.9552397

So, a dress came in today and i was super stoaked to try it on, and even though im only 5'3" it is almost crotch legnth. SO anybody have any recomendations on where to buy old school appropriate bloomers? Id need a white pair for this particular dress but ill also need black for another dress hanging in my closet.

>> No.9552417

>>9552397
I usually just get baby ones, although sometimes it's tempting to get meta so I can wear them with lace monsters, but raschel lace is probably never going to be enough of a force in my wardrobe to justify it. Speaking of which I'm in dire need of a white pair of bloomers....

Side note, I'm an inch shorter than you and I always get shocked when I try on an old piece and it's super short. It's fun though, I think the shortness is kinda endearing.

Adding on, how do people feel about mixing different weights of lace? Like raschel and torchon, or raschel and eyelet.

>> No.9552487

>>9547060
I aim for that look, I hope it would look good and not ita! Otherwise, I would just wear a simple sweet coord.

>> No.9552491

>>9552417
I'm not a fan of raschel at all, but I like torchon and eyelet together sometimes.

>> No.9552587

>>9550282
I'm super tempted to buy that as a motivator to lose some weight. Maybe when it's closer to the auction end.

>> No.9552773

>>9552417
Im looking for some that arent going to cost me $100 shipped for a single pair right now though i definately want to get some meta ones in the future. Probably treat myself around christmas.
I saw F+F has some long lace bloomers. Doea anyone know the quality? Im really tempted since i could pick up a pair of black and white bloomers for about $60 shipped for both.

>> No.9552777

>>9552397
I don't know about the quality but closet child has some white ones in their new clothes section

>> No.9552790

>>9540562
Looks like it's offbrand, nice quality tho.

>> No.9552844

>>9552777
Cool thanks ill check them out!

>> No.9553039
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>>9552777
I have the CC ones, they're much nicer quality than they look in the pics and I prefer them to the ones I've owned from Bodyline and MeLikesTea. They're not oldschool long but they're long enough for a crotch-length dress. They're super comfy and I love them, I was disappointed that the black sold out (I bought the white to test the quality but by the time it arrived and I tried it on the black had sold out). I have some AatP bloomers in the mail as well.

I'd otherwise consider brand, I've seen people use Little Dipper ones but the eyelet lace on theirs doesn't match most oldschool, which has torchon.

>>9552417
I don't like mixing weights of lace at all, I'm pretty anal about matching unless it's not noticeable (like some cotton raschel isn't noticeable with torchon). I don't like torchon and cheap eyelet together but some of the custom eyelet Baby has like the heart lace blouses looks good with torchon.

I was actually bothered the other day because I have a Baby blouse and headdress with perfectly matching rose-embroidered cutwork lace but I don't think they ever released socks like that and AFAIK it's a custom lace so I wouldn't be able to handmake them. That's taking the matching obsession too far though.

>> No.9553130

>>9552773
>Im looking for some that arent going to cost me $100 shipped for a single pair right now though i definately want to get some meta ones in the future.
They do pop up second-hand if you're not grossed out by the concept (YMMV but it's not much more gross to me than buying second-hand shorts or pants) and are comfortable washing them, Wunderwelt has a few and they come up on Fril etc too:
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/en/brands/lolita-fashion/inner

>> No.9553302

>>9551546
Is the sale throughout all of fril or just from the seller you bought from?

>> No.9553311

>>9553302
It was just the seller I bought the dress from, they had a personal shop promo written out in their shop description.

>> No.9553337

>>9548645
I would kill for that suitcaise. I want brand suitcases so much.

>> No.9553465

>>9537609
I love this.

>> No.9554153
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Anyone here end up getting it?

>> No.9554174

>>9554153
I just hope whoever gets it treats it with care, as stupid as that sounds. Like, patch up the hole properly and wash it properly and all that good stuff...

>> No.9554176

>>9554174
Same. Especially if you loved it enough to pay $15 over what they were asking for it despite the damages/missing ties.

>> No.9554416 [DELETED] 

>>9550282
It's sold now. I hope it will be worn well.

>> No.9555730

>>9531607
What's this dress called? It's beautiful.

>> No.9555774

>>9533680
>>9533691
This arrived today! It's so lovely and in such nice condition. However the zip is stuck so i'm going to try the wax paper method to see if that fixes it. Hopefully it does!

Still no clue what the dress's ID is though....

>> No.9555824

>>9555774
Take a pic of the tag logo? That can help pinpoint year, Meta's had a few logos back in the day.

>> No.9555980

I can immagine people wanting these, just up from WW:

Meta tartan OP with apron: https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-27177

IW BL x WH cape with a lot of lace: https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-27162

Baby Red riding hood Coat OP in sax (can immagine this being quite rar, haven't seen it before): https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-27170

>> No.9556001

>>9555980
That cape is incredible, I've seen it on y!j in black/black and wanted it so badly but couldn't justify it.

>> No.9556008
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9556008

Does anyone have any favourite old EGL photoshoots? I came across this 2006 one purely by chance yesterday and I'd love to see more. It's heavily inspired by Moitie but apparently all handmade. I see one particular image from this set come up on /cgl/ occasionally but never any of the others.

http://egl.livejournal.com/5138582.html

Most image links are dead links so trying to comb through old EGL posts manually is suffering.

>> No.9556047

>>9555980
>that cape

Welp, I have found a new dream item.

>> No.9556053

the cape is already sold out, any of you gulls got it?

>> No.9556073

>>9556047
>>9556053
Sorry anons, I already missed out on it twice, this time I had to get it. But I'm sure it won't be long until it appears again.

>> No.9556095

>>9556073
I wouldn't be so sure, I think it's from 2001 if not earlier (it appears in the first GLB), pretty sure it's quite rare. Either way, congrats, anon! Enjoy it!

>> No.9556127

>>9555980
That cape is gorgeous. Too bad that same design isn't on a JSK or I'd snatch it up in a heartbeat.

>> No.9556134

>>9556073
congrats! it isn't my taste, but I knew someone liked it. glad it got to an oldschool gull

>> No.9556160

>>9556073
Don't apologize man, I'm broke right now anyway and as long as it went to someone who will love it, idc if it's not me. I feel that way a lot about old school weirdly, like I don't get FOMO so much as "I hope that person loves it".

>> No.9556253
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>>9556008
There's a big photoset here but most of the outfits leave something to be desired:
http://egl.livejournal.com/5145101.html

Also here's a video of oldschool lolitas playing DDR:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ExIFYJ8eiU

>>9555980
That tartan apron OP is gorgeous, but I can't stomach the nasty raschel on the collar.

>> No.9556291

>>9556008
listerinepree's guro lolita twins photoshoot was one of my favorites, sadly it looks like all the photos are dead now and I don't think I have any saved.
Other than that, it's not quite a photoshoot and not "true" old school as it was posted in 2008, but this meetup post is one of my favorites of all time: http://egl.livejournal.com/11366372.html

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>>9556291
Oh hey, it's the red colourway of that Angelic Pretty cross OP (or a replica of it?)! Never expected to see it here.

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>>9556291
what the fuck is wrong with bakaneko47

>> No.9556385

>>9556352
I remember that being a trend that when you really liked someone you'd say something like I want to rape you lol jk xD

>> No.9556397

>>9556385
I remember too but man, it was truly a different time.

>> No.9556486
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9556486

Okay, here's a weird one:
http://www.maidenclothing.net/script/detail.php?id=154071661001

Maidenclothing are selling a BtSSB Babydoll JSK, but it looks deformed. It's only 67cm long. My guess is that it's been altered way shorter, but Maidenclothing don't mention that as damage:

>It is a simple and cute shirring babydoll. Shoulder strap part, back part contains rubber. Also with lining skirt, it is a nice fabric. It is a jumper skirt that goes well with any coord.
There is fading, wearing feeling.
>(* 2 = goods with scratches and dirt.)

However, they did list the price as only 1,296, indicating they know it's not worth much.

What do you reckon, /cgl/? Ancient super-short variant on the babydoll JSK (maybe designed as roomwear), or altered brand that Maidenclothing didn't spot?

>> No.9556503

>>9556486
I saw that. After checking my Karami it looks like it might have had the bottom tier removed completely. Quite sad because if the lack of lace on the remaining tier is any indication it's an old release. I thought about getting it but it's so short I'd have no use for it, except as parts.

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>>9556291
>tfw no sister and friend to triplet handmade OP's with in the old school days

>> No.9556665
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9556665

This one was pretty cute although, honestly, having been reading FRUiTS lately, the girl and guy in comparatively normie 90s/early 00s-ish clothes captured the feeling of it the best. Completely on point.

This lolita-ouji couple were pretty dang cute too though.

>> No.9556668

>>9556665
dropped link fuck
http://egl.livejournal.com/5137257.html

>> No.9556709

>>9556486
Thats not a bad deal if you're getting something else there. You could wear it with bloomers for a sleepover or something.

>> No.9556711

>>9556291
I wish i could look at that cool urbex guro twinning photo shoot again!

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>>9556008
There's another 2006 one with the Oregon lolitas here that's kinda cute:
http://egl.livejournal.com/7087018.html

>> No.9556951

>>9556486
I saw it too, not sure if it's altered but it could also be intended to be part of a night set.

maybe baby used the pattern from the original dress and just left out the bottom part.

or buy it and see if there's any signs of alteration

>> No.9558058
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9558058

Anyone recognise this Moitie piece? It looks extremely old, and it's not listed on Lolibrary as far as I can tell.

https://item.fril.jp/eff43fdcacbc0fa728076b9b9c86e4b9

>> No.9558119

>>9558058
I have a similar dress that I estimate is from the early 2000s, roughly 2003. The problem with old MmM is that it's not well documented since the GLB didn't feature everything and I believe they changed websites a couple times. Digging up sources on old MmM is a pain if it wasn't featured in a GLB. If there was a picture of the care tag I could date it better, but without that I don't have much.

>> No.9558144

>>9558058
>>9558119
Funny, I've actually just been watching a load of 2003 videos for their first tour today. In some of the outside crowd shots there are a lot of gothic lolitas in MmM I don't recognise (and some handmade, other brands, etc as well as pieces I do recognise). I didn't spot that dress but it was really interesting to look through. Like holy shit, there were so many lolitas/bandgirls by that point. It had really become a trend, and a very social scene, I guess, for girls going to lives in Tokyo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWXWAVrSaoQ

I kind of appreciate what Mana said in that recent interview more now - the one where he said he didn't really feel sad about the decline in popularity of gothic lolita, because it was just the bandwagon-jumpers leaving and those who really loved the style would always stay. You see so few people in the early street snaps that it's easy to forget that lolita became huge soon after. Like, it went from G&LB 1 where they're obviously reaching to find enough people to street snap and putting everything they can find in there and still only having a couple of pages of snaps, to having way, way more lolitas than could ever fit in the G&LB.

>> No.9558152

>>9558058
>>9558119
FYI, if you find a tag that says size 9, then it's 2002 or earlier. I don't know exactly when they switched to using "Moitie" sizing of 1, 2, and the occasional 3, but the really old stuff is labeled as M or 9. I recently got a blouse from them that was labeled as L and it's perfect; the fit is incredible and you can tell it's ancient. I'm guessing it was one of their first men's pieces.

>> No.9558153

>>9558144
Double-posting because another thought just hit me.

There's so little Moitie on the second-hand market compared to other brands, I always assumed there just wasn't that much in circulation. Like, y!ja always has less than 100 Moitie pieces up, LM and the western market in general are around 100 as well, places like Wunderwelt have less a couple of dozen, smaller sellers might just have a handful, so it seems like there's barely any Moitie out there compared to the volumes of stuff for brands like AP or even IW. Yet when you look at live videos and see hundreds of girls all wearing different dresses, even if you assume at least half of them aren't actually in Moitie, there were obviously a lot of dresses around back then even though MmM had only existed for a couple of years. What happened to all those old pieces? Did they just get fucked up from live shows and end up thrown in the trash? Are they being kept by the owners as sentimental items? These really old pieces especially rarely come up.

>> No.9558173
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>>9558152
Oh, that's useful. So like this would be old, because it says M?
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m209558254

>> No.9558179

>>9558173
Yep! I'll see if I can dig and find some info on that skirt, but I'm guessing it's from around 2001-2002.

>> No.9558199

>>9558179
It looks like a different flocky pattern to the ones linked in >>9547231, so pre-2002? Or maybe it is the 2002 one, I'm terrible at distinguishing those patterns.

>> No.9558243

>>9558199

No, those aren't the same ones. The ones linked above are more simple and are flocked velvet on top of satin (I've seen the pieces being sold a few times)

>> No.9558290

>>9558173
Yep! You can also use the serial number at the top and cross-check against lolibrary. Every Moitie piece comes with a unique serial number starting with EGL or EGA. It's not the easiest way to find something but honestly it's good to help narrow down the year of an unknown piece.

>>9558153
Moitie has extremely low production even now, I bet it was even lower back in the early 2000s. Between that and the very true stereotype of Moitie girls being hoarders I can see how very few of each old piece make it onto the market. However a lot of what's on the market actually is old, Moitie just has stayed very true to their aesthetic over the years (except for their period flirting with photoshop, we don't talk about that) so it's hard to tell on sight alone.

I've seen "older" women wearing full moitie before in Shinjuku, maybe the teens who were rocking Moitie back in the day are still working it. And they might be selling privately to friends who are Mana fans.

I own Moitie dating from 1999 to 2014 and I can cheerfully say that I've joined the ranks of hoarders. If I sell any of my dresses there's a good chance I'll never find them again. I have a couple accessories/blouses I love so much I want to buy another copy but finding specific pieces is so hard, and my favorite blouse is only from 2007.

Basically Moitie is one of the biggest pains in the butt to get your hands on but my goth-y self loves every minute.

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>>9556008
Does it have to have been posted on egl? I've always loved these girls and their shoots on dA.

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>>9558312

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>>9558314

>> No.9558343

>>9556127
Baby's velveteen karami comes close.

>> No.9558380

>>9558341
>>9558314
>>9558312
These are nice! Link?

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>>9556889
>http://egl.livejournal.com/7087018.html
oregon lolitas omg i remember when everyone looked up to their sweet lolita meets. back in the days of faunkegin and this ladauphine girl and stuff.

>> No.9558600

>>9558586
>tfw all of faunkegin's photos are lost to the photobucket void
I'm genuinely sad about this.

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>>9558290
I know that a lot of what's on the market right now is old, but I still saw a lot of pieces in old vids that I'd never seen before. It seems hardest to get stuff from pre-2002, there's usually a lot of 2002 stuff floating around. You might be onto something with the idea of private sales to friends though, it seems more likely than that that 90% of old Moitie fans are still wearing it.

>>9556127
I've seen quite a few similar OTT lacy skirts kicking about that I didn't buy because I didn't think they'd match any of my blouses - I now realise I should probably have coorded them with a cape. Like this Baby one, it's sold out now but is similar:
https://item.mercari.com/jp/m65844143889/

>> No.9558850

sorry for my ignorance, i just recently got into old school. is there a japanese term for it? tired of seeing endless ott prints when im searching japanese websites for brand. also, does anyone know where to get the pink dress momoko wears at the beginning of kamikaze girls? thanks for the help gulls

>> No.9558961

>>9558850
There isn't a widely-used Japanese term for it, there's no easy/cheat way to search for it on auctions. You need to be familiar enough with old releases on lolibrary and old snaps and scans to be able to recognise the look of old pieces on sight. If you really don't know how to identify pieces (or don't want to spend hours looking through thousands of listings to find the small fraction of oldschool ones), you can look in the Old School Lolita Community Worldwide group on Facebook, where they have a pinned post where people link oldschool finds. Obviously some of them have sold out but a lot of the links will work.

Which pink dress? Do you mean the most iconic one that's on all the posters? That's BtSSB's Hawase Doll / Rose Pattern Lace Doll OP with the sleeves detached. It's pretty expensive in that colourway even second-hand because it's famous from the film.
https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-rose-pattern-lace-doll-op
https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-hawase-doll-op-2005

>> No.9559452

>>9555980
> Don't check cgl for a few days
> Miss gf's dream item

>>9556073
If you'll decide to sell it please post here!

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>>9558787
It's inspiring to see so may different lace patterns used together! I acquired a variety of vintage wide-patterned (mostly) torchon laces but I was afraid they weren't useable for lolita. There isn't enough of a lot of them for a full dress alone but combined like the cape, they might!

>> No.9559753

>>9559684
Most of those laces would look cute in old school imo. There's a couple that look more like tulle lace so those might not work so well though. Something else to consider is using them on a blouse. Lace running up the front or down the sleeves is a really cute look if you have a yard or so.

Anyone want to make a new thread? I'd do it but I'm on mobile.

>> No.9560193

New thread >>9560158

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