Nostalgia thread

[Anonymous No.9560681]

Post jfash pics that make you nostalgic,inspired you,made you discover the fashion,...
Those pics on the harajuku bridge from circa 2006 make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside

[Anonymous No.9560686]

[Anonymous No.9560689]

>>9560681
circa 2011-2012 (??) shelby cloud i love it.

[Anonymous No.9560691]

I miss this kind of lolita which is very street and focused on the outfits and just chilling with friends, vs the current "i am an actual princess, and shall be treated as such" lolita that tries to be OTT just for cons/teaparties/cof likes, and not something you'd see some crazy young people rock on the street.

I know there are some of us that are still like that though. There are literally dozens....

[Anonymous No.9560695]

>>9560691
>posts OG OTT sweet as non-OTT

Oh how the times have changed. I miss it too anon.

[Anonymous No.9560698]

>>9560695
I know it was actually OTT but it's a very different type OTT than sweetclassic princess OTT of today. It's more of a decore and street feel. Like these girls didn't take themselves so seriously as to actually pretend to be royalty. They were well known on social media but they didn't dress up JUST for those photoshoots.

[Anonymous No.9560699]

[Anonymous No.9560701]

>>9560691
>>9560698
Oh how I feel you

Pic related is an oldie but I never get tired of it

[Anonymous No.9560703]

>>9560689
>dem feels

[Anonymous No.9560704]

I miss the bright pre-fairy kei and pre-tumblr decora

[Anonymous No.9560708]

found a 100 page decora album with lots of old pics
http://photobucket.com/images/decora

[Anonymous No.9560710]

I miss leg warmers and those saggy long gyaru school girl socks. Those were the days.

[Anonymous No.9560712]

>>9560704
same, tumblr completely destroyed it for me

>>9560710
the giant loose socks oh man, i had some and wore them to high school

[Anonymous No.9560715]

[Anonymous No.9560718]

>>9560712
>i had some and wore them to high school

haha same here. Also striped socks in every color. Can't bring myself to wear those anymore in fear of seeming old and out of touch.

[Anonymous No.9560720]

2009 AWA. This would be considered toned down for a regular meet now, let alone for a big con.

[Anonymous No.9560723]

[Anonymous No.9560726]

[Anonymous No.9560727]

Before Harajuku Fashion Walks were 50% westerners...


>>9560720
I think only the girl in the middle would be considered toned down. Certainly not the girl on the right.

[Anonymous No.9560728]

[Anonymous No.9560729]

Applique. Can we please bring applique back instead of prints.

[Anonymous No.9560731]

[Anonymous No.9560732]

>>9560727
Girl on the right is MintyMix. She doesn't know toned down, lmao.

[Anonymous No.9560736]

>>9560732
This one just makes me remember when westerners were really bad at lolita.

[Anonymous No.9560737]

[Anonymous No.9560738]

>>9560703
>>9560689

[Anonymous No.9560740]

I don't really see anyone doing these kind of (or the group shoe) photos. It seems be very individual and "look at ME" focused now.

[Anonymous No.9560744]

I miss bolder color combos. Imo this coord shows that you dont need a crazy print to be OTT and solids are not always casual.

[Anonymous No.9560749]

>>9560715
I'm having trouble understanding this vkei threesome because I don't know the members.

Are they all guys? Guy on the floor is dressed as a girl?

[Anonymous No.9560752]

>>9560720
I still see people at all sorts of different levels of OTT-ness at cons. Unless they have a brand tea party those outfits wouldn't be toned-down, a lot of people wear simpler stuff because it's hot and you're on your feet all weekend.

[Anonymous No.9560763]

>>9560740
The reason you don't see them isn't because the fashion's become more individualistic, it's because people don't post meet-up pics to EGL any more. CoF doesn't allow more than 2 coords/people per post and people are hesitant to post meetup group shots to tumblr/insta in case any of the people pictured object or accuse them of using their image for an efame grab.

Hand shots have definitely almost died out because that style of OTT sweet with deco nails and a bunch of rings isn't popular any more so most people's hands aren't that interesting, but lots of comms I've been in take shoe shots. They just only get posted in the private Facebook group. Plus, shoe shots just don't look as aesthetically pleasing when it isn't a rainbow of uniform tea parties.

[Anonymous No.9560769]

>>9560740
My comm usually tries to do at least a shoe shot at meets. The problem is that meets are so much bigger now, unless it's a private/non-comm meet between friends.

So doing a hand or shoe shot with 20+ people is kind of impossible, compared to 2008 when we got excited if we had more than six people show up.

[Anonymous No.9560770]

>>9560729
I am here for applique every day of my life. I've thought of making dresses but I haven't found any applique I like

[Anonymous No.9560776]

>>9560763
This. My comm still takes shoe shots every meet. I've come to really appreciate my comm, honestly. Everywhere else, it seems like there's always drama because someone wants to be efamous or some bullshit, but my comm is super chill and honestly like a second family. When I had a family member pass away, they got together and sent me a bouquet and a card, and we've even thrown members surprise birthday parties. Granted, we're pretty small, with less than twenty people, so that's probably why we have such an intimate, close group.

[Anonymous No.9560779]

>>9560769
I think shoe shots look best with around ten people, six makes it look a bit sparse.

But then my main comm gets like 8 people at an average meet still so what do I know. I've only been at a handful of meets over 20 and one that was 30, average is 15 or something.

[Anonymous No.9560790]

I'm an oldschoolfag so I already post a ton in the old school lolita and old as balls lolita threads, but I still have some faves. I'm really missing oldschool gothic right now and I feel extremely sad that Moi dix Mois will probably never come to Europe again and even sadder that I was too young to visit Moi-même-Moitié while they still had physical shops.

[Anonymous No.9560796]

>>9560790
Several images were uploaded to the Moi dix Mois twitter recently:
https://twitter.com/m_d_m_official/status/849649138367045632

[Anonymous No.9560802]

>>9560796
I wish they would open even just one location again (and start to actually release shit). Fund it with iconic print re-releases or something. I want gothic to have a second coming, it's the most timeless of all the styles.

I'm massively nostalgic for goth in general though, I've posted about it here before but I'm sad that I virtually never see goths on the streets nowadays. I feel like a hypocrite for complaining because I don't even wear goth daily myself (I like other colour schemes too much to quit) but I try to wear it whenever I'm in the mood just to keep something of it alive. I made a rule for the summer that when it was raining, I would wear goth or gothic lolita (since I tend towards dark colours in the rain anyway). It's worked well so far.

[Anonymous No.9560804]

>>9560802
someone once described lolita as nostalgia for a time and place that never existed, and I'm feeling that right now

I thought it might have been Novala but a quick Google is suggesting I might have read it here:
http://www.gothic.stir.ac.uk/guestblog/novala-takemotos-shimotsuma-monogatari-kamikaze-girls-and-the-japanese-lolita/
(this has like 20 references would also be a good source for anyone who is still interested in editing the lolita fashion wikipedia page, since the thread for that died)

[Anonymous No.9560806]

>>9560779
Yep, my comm is large, so most "official" meets draw a lot of people. But back when I first started, we had to all gather from quite a distance, so there were only about 6 of us that came regularly. The biggest meet back then was 12 people, and at least four weren't even wearing lolita, but were "trying out" the comm.

[Anonymous No.9560815]

>>9560738
>tfw she'll never know you nor how much she meant to you.

[[e-mail] No.9560835]

>>9560790
>>9560796
>>9560802
>>9560804
I don't know what is up with me this past week but I've been fawning over Moitie (I'm usually into AP shit) recently so this is highly appreciated. I started in gothic lolita and I'm obsessing and feeling nostalgic over the substyle again (I'm not ditching sweet anytime soon though). Wish I was able to go to one of their stores, they used to be gorgeous!!

[Anonymous No.9560839]

>>9560815
Dang anon, the way you phrased it made it sound like she died...

[Anonymous No.9560841]

>>9560804
This hit me right in the feels and I am crie

My first g&lb is almost 10 years old and it's been read so many times the pages are falling out. This whole thread, and that article, evokes that timeless, misty dream of Lolita I fell in love with back then...

[Anonymous No.9560901]

>>9560804
This checkout counter looks like an altar for sacrificing virgins.

I have been watching a lot of videos too, here are all the best ones I found that showed old Moitie shops (and Mana being pretentious and extra in interviews):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1B0Em3HYEI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNYUzk1jBsw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1jXxaycklE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cidzsgJ2g18
(it seems like a lot but most of these videos are only 1-2 minutes long)

That final video is a cut-down version of this longer TV segment, which makes me feel especially nostalgic. More than anything else, I miss lolita actually being popular. I'm astounded by how many different lolitas they managed to get in the background shots of Harajuku for the video, presumably on the same day. Now it's just dead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGJpV5A2OAs

I keep meaning to go through some of these and post stills to tumblr, since seeing fresh oldschool coords makes me feel so excited. I've obsessively lurked and looked through the Wayback Machine and read old scans enough that I feel like I've seen most things that get posted as inspo before, so it's rare for me to see something new that's more organic than mannequin shots from a shop blog. It's also kind of nice to see lolitas hanging out together instead of lone, especially since I think a lot of oldschool lolitas over-romanticize the idea of a lone lifestyler thanks to films like Kamikaze Girls.

>>9560835
I've always been into gothic but I didn't appreciate Mana enough until recently, I'd tried a few Malice Mizer songs and didn't like them so I never bothered with vkei (I wrongly thought all vkei was fake and style over substance instead of a sincere expression of feeling). I've been watching Moi dix Mois lives recently and really got into it. Once I started to read interviews I really began to appreciate Mana's worldview.

>>9560841
I'm glad you like it anon.

[Anonymous No.9560907]

>>9560704
God I miss this. I miss when both fairy Karina and decora could have a very limited colorscheme. Also you didn't have to be covered head to toe in shit.

Love the patchwork feel of old decora too.

[Anonymous No.9560950]

>>9560901
And here's an old Moitie ad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW5IAnr2PBM

And a blog:
rosenocturnalia [dot blogspot dot co dot uk whatever, 4chan absolutely hates blogspot links and always blocks them as spam] /2015/10/goth-is-dead-end-of-moi-meme-moitie.html

The blog post especially makes me think. I don't want to let Moitie die, but I also wonder if I should just let it when most new releases don't inspire me (especially because if Mana really cared and wanted to rescue the brand's bad fortunes, he could re-release certain prints and practically have a license to print money). I've bought new from them twice in the past year, but only for small things - heck, they haven't even released socks or shoes in years. They had a sale with pretty deep discounts but the things I would have really wanted (like the arm covers plus the blackxblue blouse) sold out, and I just don't feel enough enthusiasm for the remaining pieces to pay so much for them when I could get old second-hand Moitie I love more for the same price. Like this JSK, it's something I might buy for daily wear, but I have so many meh daily wear dresses already I'd rather buy a wishlist piece than something else I like but don't love.
http://moi-meme-moitie.shop-pro.jp/?pid=105676139

[Anonymous No.9561102]

I love these sorts of threads. Everyone looked so genuinely happy back then, IG's far more refined now but fuck me if there's any actual joy or happiness in any of it.

[Anonymous No.9561113]

>>9561102
I don't even like gyaru but I like looking at old gyaru magazine scans because all the girls look so happy and exuberant. Nearly everyone does the same deadpan face for selfies now because they're scared their smile makes them look ugly. I can appreciate a good bitchface or expressionless doll-like pose, but it gets really old when that's all there is. This is a trend outside of jfashion as well and I'm bored of it, even though I'm guilty of doing the same.

Especially larme. I know sad and pretty is their aesthetic but I legit feel sad looking through the magazine because of the expressions.

[Anonymous No.9561147]

You all need to take off your pink glasses about the past and be the change you want to see

[Anonymous No.9561151]

I recently found my old hard drive that has stuff from the last 10 years on there

[Anonymous No.9561152]

>>9560749
The picture says Gackt.

[Anonymous No.9561153]

>>9561151

[Anonymous No.9561154]

>>9561153

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[Anonymous No.9561156]

>>9561155

[Anonymous No.9561158]

>>9561156

[Anonymous No.9561159]

>>9561158

[Anonymous No.9561160]

>>9561147
>be the change you want to see
Maybe I'm the minority in the thread, but I honestly wouldn't want to go back to that time? Yeah, it's nice to look at photos and talk about how things were back then, but I have no desire to return to that.

Brand was harder to get, and communities were smaller and not as well-coordinated in terms of activities (and not as well-coordinated in terms of clothing, either). EGL was a great place to chat and share info, but it became defunct because it's easier now to meet up with people in person, and information is more readily accessible and less obscure. Plus, styles change. As nice as it is to look at how things were, and admire it from a different perspective, I don't really want to wear those styles anymore.

I think the only thing I really, genuinely wish we had from the EGL days was what >>9560763 mentioned: somewhere for people to share meet-up photos. CoF is a good replacement for Daily Lolita for the most part, but I miss seeing photos of lolitas gathered at conventions or meets like you got on EGL back in the day. Now, you only see that if an event had an official photographer, or you're friends with someone from every comm outside your own.

My own comm's photos only ever get posted to the comm event page on FB, or to the private page of the person who took them. I genuinely wouldn't mind a "lolita events" group to share those photos, but that raises all kinds of issues about privacy.

[Anonymous No.9561161]

>>9561159

[Anonymous No.9561164]

>>9561161

[Anonymous No.9561165]

>>9560950
Royal Gate and Neo Gothic Arch were supposed to be for people looking for Iron Gate and Gothic Arch. Mana probably looks down on AP for re-releasing holy lantern so often.

[Anonymous No.9561166]

>>9561164

[Anonymous No.9561169]

>>9561166

[Anonymous No.9561170]

>>9561169

[Anonymous No.9561188]

>>9561160
Yeah when I said be the change you want to be, I was totally talking about the community and meant you should literally go back in time

[Anonymous No.9561191]

>>9561113
In all fairness, larme does mean tear. I do get what you're talking about, though. The girls look like they were molested or something right before the shoot.

>>9561158
I miss this look so much.

[Anonymous No.9561193]

>>9561188
If you don't mean bring back the trends that came before, then what do you mean by "take off your pink glasses about the past and be the change you want to see"? Because that's what it sounds like when you tell people in a nostalgia thread to stop being nostalgic and take action.

[Anonymous No.9561201]

I miss hime gyaru so much. I got into jfash and lolita because of it and Violet LeBeaux, and am so sad that it's dead. Himekaji and larme will never be as beautiful to me.

[Anonymous No.9561202]

>>9561193
I meant the people whining about how people dress now, and for what occasions

[Anonymous No.9561203]

>>9561201
Also, did the western interpretation of hime make the hime pouf mandatory? Most shop girls and street snaps don't have the huge, iconic hime hair. I see a lot more twintails and voluminous curls.

[Anonymous No.9561206]

>>9561203
When I get around to learning how to sew, I'm making me some classic hime clothing.

[Anonymous No.9561207]

>>9561206
I miss hime lolita too, and all the debates on what it should and shouldn't look like.

[Anonymous No.9561211]

>>9561207
Old hime makes modern Jesus Diamante look even more depressing.

[Anonymous No.9561212]

>>9561211
Sorry for the nostalgia-waxing, gulls. Just needed to get some pent up hime-missing feels out there.

[Anonymous No.9561234]

>>9561207
Hime lolita still exists

[Anonymous No.9561243]

>>9560749
Guy on the floor is Mana, guy in the middle is Gackt and guy in the back is Közi if I remember correctly.

[Anonymous No.9561297]

>>9560815
Anon she returned to Lolita a little while ago!

[Anonymous No.9561299]

>>9560712
If a website ruined decora for you, you can't have liked it much in the first place

[Anonymous No.9561302]

>>9560763
Would anyone be interested in a CoF-style group (with better moderation and member screening) just for sharing meetup photos? I think it'd be cute to have somewhere to share and see meetups from around the world, and people could write little meetup reports along with them!
There'd be a "No Coord-Only Photos" rule so that people couldn't just copy their CoF post and then write about the meet. Pics of places visited, group photos, photos of cute food or even something funny that happened at a meetup. What do people think?

[Anonymous No.9561309]

>>9561243
How was the reaction to that picture back then?

[Anonymous No.9561311]

>>9561302
I'm sure a lot of people would be interested but you should make a thread for it on here and/or Rufflechat first.

[Anonymous No.9561321]

The pic that made me fall in love with hime gyaru.

[Anonymous No.9561334]

>>9561309
visual kei bands do a lot of fanservice

[Anonymous No.9561388]

>>9561302
I prefer if that stays on livejournal. I don't use facebook and I think it would be hard to restrict people from the same comm posting about the same meet-up.

[Anonymous No.9561400]

>>9561302
I'd be super interested! I've felt super lonely in lolita recently, and a lot of the solo shots have been compounding upon that

[Anonymous No.9561448]

OP here, I'm really glad to see my thread attracted many of you. Please continue to contribute.

This thread makes me want to go and buy pic related. But I wonder if it's worth it or if I should just look at it on the internet.

[Anonymous No.9561454]

>>9561448
Also hesitating with this one. I'm more lolita oriented but it seems like it's less colorful.

[Anonymous No.9561461]

>>9561147
>>9561202
I wholeheartedly agree with this. I love lolita and feel sad when people say they don't feel confident enough to wear it outside of meetups or cons (this applies to other alternative fashion styles too for that matter), and being the change I want to see is one of my motivators to wear the style regularly. I've had people recognize it and compliment me too, it's nice and genuinely fun. I hope to see lolita going back to the streets, even on a small scale.

[Anonymous No.9561470]

The very first picture of non-Mana gothic lolita I ever saw. I still hope to live up to this legacy.

[Anonymous No.9561475]

>>9561454
i'm a dummy and dropped my image.
It's kinda sad those days are over but it's still nice to look at the pics for inspo

[Anonymous No.9561480]

>>9561160
OP here, I agree. As nostalgic as I am about some things (the way the styles used to look,how it seemed more authentic than nowadays,...) I wouldn't want to go back. Things were way harder to get, some things in general were a pain,...

[Anonymous No.9561492]

I remember when this was on every "kawaii'" blog or on every forum as someone's avatar or signature

[Anonymous No.9561510]

>>9561152
I know but Gackt has been in several different bands/projects and I'm not sure which one he is in the picture.

[Anonymous No.9561515]

>>9561165
I'm still sad about Neo Gothic Arch because I love the print much more than Gothic Arch but the cuts and colourways didn't do much for me. If there was a black×white and white×black I would have bought both.

[Anonymous No.9561519]

>>9561515
There is a black x white JSK and OP

[Anonymous No.9561522]

>>9561302
I feel both yes and no on this. In theory it sounds so nice but in reality it will be a mess, worse than the casual coords group. Shit is 100% guaranteed to be cycled to cgl instantly. There's a reason a lot of us don't post in CoF. I chose not to post there but we do group photos and group selfies in my comm and I would not be happy to be posted in that group because that just opens up the floodgates to all the opinions about me that I don't give a shit about. I think a lot of others also want to avoid that. Maybe that's why it's individual shots only as someone else said.

You also don't want to expose newbies to that, or people that really don't want to post publicly. Some people are courteous to not do that but many others are oblivious and will just plop everyone on there. Cue drama and hurt feelings, comms making rules, etc...

[Anonymous No.9561523]

>>9561519
No there isn't, the new release colourways were navy×silver, black×silver and black×gold.

[Anonymous No.9561600]

>>9561510
oldfag VK fan here:
This is from the Malice Mizer days and he's in the middle, Mana is down front and that's Kozi in the back given that the outfits are from a Merveilles live. It's from 1998-1999 era and the end of the Gackt era.

[Anonymous No.9561627]

>>9561234
Yeah, but it's heavily classic-based now. You don't see gyaru inspired hime much anymore, just the OTT Rococo/Victorian style. I miss the hime gyaru/lolita combo.

[Anonymous No.9561650]

I found a pic of those two gothic lolitas sitting on the chains where you can see their face

[Anonymous No.9561660]

>>9560681
Another close up pic but this time of OP's image

[Anonymous No.9561703]

>>9561600
Ty anon, I saw what >>9561243 said after I posted >>9561510. Ended up in spending ages Googling VK fanservice and speculation about band members' sexuality related to the original Malice Mizer members.

>>9561147
I don't romanticise the past but I alone can't do anything to change really. The thing that impacts me most is the fact that in my country when I was growing up I saw a lot of goths on the streets, and now I virtually never see any. I can go on the streets and wear goth IRL but that won't make a scene materialise. It'll always be a lonely activity rather than a popular hobby.

>>9561650
That's so good! Thank you for finding this, anon!

[Anonymous No.9561712]

>>9561703
>I can go on the streets and wear goth IRL but that won't make a scene materialise.
Not really but even a small step like that can affect someone and change things. You never know who might see you, someone who's insecure about their favorite fashion might, and they could feel inspired to go out there dressed up like you did because you looked great and they want to look good too. Baby steps, anon.

[Anonymous No.9561718]

>>9561712
There is a guy who wears punk and takes the same bus as me and it always makes me super happy to see him when I'm in my boring work clothes

[Anonymous No.9561720]

>>9560681
Does anybody know what dress is this? Ever since I googled lolita stuff back in 2008 this would pop up and I've been really curious if this was handmade or not. It kind of popped up everywhere back in the day and I even knew a girl that her mom sew her a replica of this dress for her birthday (back in the day brand was extremely hard to find where I live and some girls would make handmade dresses out of google, without yet knowing those were replicas).

[Anonymous No.9561724]

>>9560691
>I miss this kind of lolita which is very street and focused on the outfits and just chilling with friends, vs the current "i am an actual princess, and shall be treated as such"

Well, lolita has always had this "I am a princess" kind of vibe since early GLB, but I do understand what you mean, and I feel exactly the same.
Nowadays is just "hohoho I'm a princess who makes fun of everybody hohooo" and just who has the newest print with the best OTT coord and shit. I just want to hang out with friends and chill, not pretend we're the royality.
Of course back in the day there was drama too and we would make fun of things, but everything felt lighter.
Pic related, I just want a lolita buddy who would hang out with me without discussing secrets or drama, just cool stuff we're into.

[Anonymous No.9561737]

>>9561720
If it's not handmade, I'd make a solid guess that it's either Meta, Marble or VISIBLE.

[Anonymous No.9561746]

>>9561703
I feel this about goth being lonely. I'm compensate with all this oldschoool lonelita lifestyle bullshit but when I look at videos like >>9560901 and see all these girls just hanging out and having fun I feel really sad. I just want close friends with similar interests to chill with, the nearest comm are quite nice but I don't really click with any of them.

It probably doesn't help that I don't really have many IRL friendships in general, let alone close female friendships. Most of my friends either live hundreds of miles away or are socially-anxious wrecks who never want to meet up IRL or go outside. sage for blog and all

[Anonymous No.9561749]

>>9561746
I feel this too. I've managed to click with a few members of my comm but they all live like 2 hours away which is doable for a meet, but not so much for spontaneously getting together to hang out after school/work. I've also tried getting to know the girl who do lives practically around the corner but she's incredibly cringy and doesn't even really wear the fashion. My female friends in high school hated lolita and didn't want anything to do with me while I was wearing it. When I look at pictures itt it looks like many of these girls got into lolita together, and it makes me so sad that I never got to experience that.
>polite sage for whining

[Anonymous No.9561767]

>>9560901
It's interesting how they call that one gothic lolita "akuma kei" in the end

[Anonymous No.9561783]

>>9560715
Oh man, I miss Malice Mizer.
>>9560740
I was in a small splinter group of a huge meet that had photos taken by a con photographer on a whim. I really love that this photo exists though.
>>9560901
And I'm legit on the brink of tears. I remember my much more knowledgeable jfash/weeby/vkei best friend downloaded all of these and we sat in front of his computer after middle school and watched these over and over again. God the Lion ads in the full length special are giving me shivers, cause we cracked up so much about them then. Prime nostalgia for me, thank you anon.

[Anonymous No.9561799]

>>9561724
Yeah I get that it was always inspired by royalty/aristocracy, but it definitely was more like "I am a princess in this modern world, wearing street fashion, doing regular things" vs. today "i am a fucking princess in this artificial tea party, in this artificial con space with ten crowns, ten scepters, a cape, veil, etc etc." I know there were tea parties, and scepters and hime back then too but it still feels more down to earth in a way, compared to things you see even in the Japenese brand tea parties these days.

[Anonymous No.9561813]

>>9561783
I'm glad it had that effect on you, anon. I mean, I'm not glad you're crying but I'm glad you were touched.

Cheer yourself up by watching some of the wack adverts Gackt appeared in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Eg78U4X8SU

[Anonymous No.9561826]

>>9560901
I'm really intrigued by that last video! I got to 5:55 and had no idea that one G&LB model in pic relatedwas a guy all this time, he's so cute as well! Or is it a girl with a really deep voice? I want to know more about Rik-san (?). (Also, gotta laugh at the fact that then as now the media loved to interview crossdiressing guy/brolitas for the shock value more than just interviewing an average lolita girl...reminds me of some of the YouTube "documentaries" that came out recently).

I wish this video was translated, I remember watching it years ago I but I was very new to lolita and not that interested in "dated" stuff so I didn't really take in what was happening properly.

[Anonymous No.9561828]

>>9561703
Same VK oldfag here and I can actually help you out here! Gackt, to my knowledge, hasn't come out and bluntly said what his sexuality is but he wrote a book years ago professing his deep romantic love for Hyde (from L'arc~en~Ciel) and starred Hyde in his vampire movie, Moon Child (which was from the era of jrockers doing movies like Miyavi in Oresama where he time travels. Malice Mizer also had their own movie!). Gackt freely admitted that Hyde was either the only man he'd ever loved or one of the few (it's been years since I read it) and that Hyde was his ideal type?

That was 10+ years ago though and things have clearly changed because Gackt and his crew gave love advice to a bisexual fan worrying about whether to confess her attraction to a female friend.
Gackt freely admitted that he's kissed everyone in his group and they kiss each other when they're drunk and they're very touchy-feely which he's been like since Malice Mizer but back then it was likely fanservice for fans.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4Tdz24iRPI


Fanservice and homosexuality in VK groups is like.. well, it's pretty standard? It's surprising to see a VK group that doesn't do fanservice.

Within the past 2-3 years Hyde and L'arc~en~Ciel announced a comeback by 'leaking' to the press scandalous pictures of them getting caught in the backseat of cars making out with each other.

-C

[Anonymous No.9561829]

>>9561799
>it definitely was more like "I am a princess in this modern world, wearing street fashion, doing regular things" vs. today "i am a fucking princess in this artificial tea party, in this artificial con space with ten crowns, ten scepters, a cape, veil, etc etc."
Thiiiis, this so much. Oh god, I fucking hate OTT and what it implies.

[Anonymous No.9561830]

>>9561828
The most unique group I can think of for this 'open love' sort of concept is Breakerz because of how unusual it all is. Daigo (formerly Daigo Stardust) is the vocalist of Breakerz and he and his crew regularly kiss/makeout but they've had homosexual romance MVs as well along with BDSM and just about everything else. They also released a photobook involving them in a threesome in a hotel room.

What makes them unique is that Daigo's the grandson of a former prime minister of Japan. His grandfather has made no secret that he despises what his grandson does and what his granddaughter was.
Daigo's sister is a famous yaoi mangaka who had one of her mangas turned into an anime and Daigo voiced one of the characters who was engaged in a homosexual relationship.

[Anonymous No.9561833]

>>9561828
What's the name of the Malice Mitzer movie?

[Anonymous No.9561842]

>>9561833
Nayrt but I think it's Bara no Konrei: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdDOOCvQCzk&t=1069s

[Anonymous No.9561843]

>>9561833
They have two actually (I forgot about the one with Gackt).

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kin_6ClqjcI
Bel Air with Gackt

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdDOOCvQCzk
Bridal of Rose with Klaha

[Anonymous No.9561850]

>>9561627
Here's a little comparison

[Anonymous No.9561855]

>>9561828
Yeah, I ended up reading translations of his autobiography and a few other things and he came off as a repressed bisexual to me, especially with stuff like him having sex every day in high school because he felt ashamed to masturbate and some of his comments about gays and women. I've followed Mana interviews and things for a while but I prefer the M10M era so I never really bothered reading up on Gackt, since he always came off as a bit of a pretentious wanker from things he said in interviews.

I'm really curious to hear from an oldfag about the "it's just fanservice" explanation though, because Malice Mizer were one of the first big VK groups, right? And they were in control of their own image rather than being manufactured, so they were choosing to do the fanservice? I wouldn't compare it to the fanservice of the past 5-10 years that you see in things like K-pop groups that's so obviously calculated or even sometimes things people have been coerced into by their managers. So if fanservice in VK groups is standard, that's partly because of people like Gackt setting the trend 20 years ago, not following it, right? I might be wrong because I don't care that much for VK in general and don't follow any bands that aren't Mana-related.

[Anonymous No.9561883]

>>9561855
I'll try to explain but I love talking about early-mid 2000's VK explosion because it's just so fun and it's all but gone now.

I was into Jpop like TM Revolution, L'arc~en~Ciel, Arashi, KAT-TUN from the early 2000s but then I found Dir en Grey in that teenaged edgy phase. Back then they were still VK along with Gackt era Malice Mizer.

VK was pretty much a gimmick and still is a gimmick for upcoming bands. That's why so many VK groups flop because they do more about visuals than the music. Dir en grey dropped VK as quick as they got their footing because of this, VK was just a stepping stone for them. Fanservice in VK is pretty much the same thing along with crossdressing, just like how Shinya from Diru dropped wearing dresses and feminine fashion.

That's not to say everything was a gimmick. Mana still crossdresses and some VK or former VK artists still do the same. It's just at the time that's what you did and it extended past Jrock VK to other VK like Antic Cafe who were oshare kei and had their 'designated crossdresser' in Bou. It was just trendy like in every music scene with unique hairstyles, clothing, etc.

I can't tell you how or why fanservice was/is so big in VK aside from it being a niche and if it worked for insert-band-here-that-got-big then newer bands were going to follow that lead.

Malice Mizer was a special case because unlike other VK bands Malice Mizer were more akin to theater performers. All their lives told a story and all their costumes were for characters, not random gimmicks.

Another band that had this similar set-up was Psycho le Cemu who also had a designated crossdresser member who played the princess/female hero in their stories/lives.

Fanservice in Malice Mizer and Psycho le Cemu were just part of the stories. Hell, as crazy as Illuminati was (imagine seeing that PV as a 12 year old white girl in rural America) it had a story and they just all played characters.

-c

[Anonymous No.9561887]

>>9561883
Rambling way too much but there's gimmick fanservice in VK and then performing in the way MM and Psycho le Cemu do.

Just like there's gimmick crossdressing in VK and playing a role like with Mana and Aya.

What Malice Mizer started (if they did indeed start it, I'm not too knowledgeable with pre-00s VK) just sort of became what I mentioned before with "Well it worked for this group who made it big so it'll work for us!" just like the boom of Jrock movies that was there and gone in just a few years.

also bonus pic of Psycho le Cemu because I'll forever miss them.

[Anonymous No.9561907]

>>9561828
ntaryt but can the things he said in that video really be taken seriously? in the same interview he gave some insane advice about "penis strengthening" for better sex by slapping your penis around and running it under hot and cold water, which honestly just sounds like he was trolling even though the host nodded along with it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9W-f5qJFGc

people are applauding the sentiment that guys should care about their girlfriend's pleasure and it sounds like he might believe it himself but that's honestly really bad advice, like what?

[Anonymous No.9561908]

>>9561907
Gackt is pretty much a known troll.

[Anonymous No.9561924]

>>9561783
Lovely photo anon, going to hopefully pool together some girls at a big meet later this year to take some similar to this~

[Anonymous No.9561925]

>>9561883
Right, so if I'm understanding you correctly what I thought is correct? Malice Mizer were one of the first bands to exploit fanservice, and it's hard to say whether that's because they were just smart enough to realise it'd increase their popularity with fangirls before anyone else did or may have just been because Gackt is an opportunistic touchy-feely exhibitionist and the members genuinely enjoyed that sort of thing. Then other bands copied and it became a trend done just to get attention and increase a band's popularity (and I guess would be convenient for any members that genuinely *were* gay because they can hide behind saying it's just a gimmick if they come under too much scrutiny). And Gackt's statements in the video above about how they were doing that sort of thing while the cameras weren't rolling just for fun can either be taken as a serious admission of him being biseuxal/bicurious, him trolling, or him lying for more popularity now it's established that thinking about their idols getting off with each other makes fangirls go wild.

I really don't enjoy gimmicks and shock value used for attention, which is part of why I enjoy Mana's work more, since even though he's used shock value visuals he's also generally remained consistent to his vision and cared deeply about both the music and the aesthetic rather than just trend-hopping for popularity (I also found it really interesting how he changed his image a lot post-MM and founding Moitie and never really played up the sexual angle as much again). It's why I enjoy some of the earlier VK bands but not the style-over-substance copycats they spawned.

[Anonymous No.9561933]

>>9560740
I really like this kind of pics even tho they still look "posed" now. In the past it was just a pic taken by a lolita of the group...

[Anonymous No.9561935]

Speaking of old videos, how about this extremely campy Chinese "learn English" video featuring lolita? There used to be an image macro of the "great dress - poor overall execution" line four minutes in but I haven't seen it in years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SxLINOn_SU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvAWSojRDMY

[Anonymous No.9561936]

>>9561935
Ah bless you anon, I was wondering where these videos went! They feature Anna House pieces iirc.

[Anonymous No.9561951]

>>9561935
Bless! I'd always wondered where the gifs came from.

[Anonymous No.9561956]

>>9561203
I wouldn't say "most", a lot of the girls did, especially the Jesus Diamante shopgirls. I just think it was the most reconizable way to do Hime in the western community, but I don't think it was ever mandatory.

[Anonymous No.9561961]

>>9561935
Aw shet I remember requesting all those gifs. I liked the "keep your pants on!" and "do it yourself!" ones, too.

[Anonymous No.9561967]

>>9560790
>>9560796
>>9560802
>>9560804
Do you ever kind of kick yourself for not hopping on things more at the time? I know I couldn't have when I was much younger, but just the fact I sort of missed the physical Moitie shops will always make me sad.

I've always been a gothic lolita and going on a pilgrimage to one of like 20 Angelic Pretty or BtSSB stores is just not the same. Are there some shops even remotely close to this and gothic?

[Anonymous No.9561970]

>>9561956
That's a better way of putting it, thanks, Anon

[Anonymous No.9561989]

>>9561970
I have the same hime nostalgia as you, trust me. I wish prisilla hairpieces were more easily available.

[Anonymous No.9561992]

>>9561967
I got into lolita too late to really have any regrets for not hopping on trends, since I didn't really start wearing lolita until 2014. I kind of regret not going to BtSSB Paris before it shut down, but they'll probably open another one in a few years. I regret not going to Omnia Vanitas too but, again, the same designers will probably attend similar events in the future so it's not like I've missed out forever.

[Anonymous No.9561995]

>>9561992
To clarify, I don't care more about BtSSB and events than missing out on the oldschool days, seeing Mana live or Moitie shops exisiting, but I was a child when all of those things happened so I wouldn't have been able to appreciate it anyway. Not much notable has happened in the past few years. I guess I kind of regret not going to a h.NAOTO as well, since they closed all their physical locations. And I regret that I'll never be able to tick off being street snapped for the G&LB on my bucket list.

[Anonymous No.9562007]

>>9561826
Wow, really? I'm as surprised a I was when I found out Akira was a girl.

[Anonymous No.9562024]

>>9561470
Does anyone know what dress this is? Also here's a higher res version.

[Anonymous No.9562041]

>>9562024
Im also wondering. Seems like a coat instead but it's fucking gorgeous

[Anonymous No.9562046]

>>9560740
>>9561933
Wow, how have times changed.

[Anonymous No.9562103]

>>9561935

[Anonymous No.9562105]

>>9562103

[Anonymous No.9562117]

>>9560681
My first time discovering lolita was a video staring the girl in op's pic, I think. She was showing of her phone with a shitload of charms on them. I've never been able to find it again, but man would I love to...

[Anonymous No.9562162]

>>9561749
Yeah. My comm is like...a few girls 5+ years older than me who have all been friends years and are really close already, a few girls who live far away, and a few younger sweet lolitas who are mostly quite weeby and immature and I don't relate to. The only girl who lives near me is a relatively new OTT sweet lolita. She's pretty nice and dresses well but we don't have the same taste and we have no hobbies in common outside of lolita (as well as quite different personalities), so I can't see us becoming that close. The couple of girls I've ended up getting on the best with live in the next city over so I haven't been able to meet up with any of them for months.

All of my friends dislike lolita to some degree. My flatmates are okay with it but don't really get it. A couple of my guy friends think some of my coords are cute but are still uncomfortable going out in public with me if I'm wearing lolita because they're scared it'll reflect badly on them, even if it's a coord that's extremely simple and toned-down (think Fannie Rosie). My best friend from HS tolerates it but flat-out thinks lolita looks creepy and unnerving even on burando models - we live hundreds of miles apart now so it's not a huge issue since we mostly interact online, but I feel like we've become a bit more distant because lolita is my main hobby and avoiding talking about it because I know he hates it means I don't have much to talk about at all. From his perspective, I guess I've become a boring person who only cares about clothes and doesn't have time for any of my old hobbies. Girls are more accepting but still don't really like it. One of my closest female friends is super butch and doesn't like girly styles in general, and another girl I was friends with (until she got a new boyfriend and dropped everyone else) thought lolita was weird and should be sexier. I wish I had a local friend with the same interests but the comm is so small nobody else even wears oldschool.

sage for blog

[Anonymous No.9562213]

>>9561448
The first book is what got me into Lolita, and I would like to thank Shoichi Aoki for his magazines and Phaidon for publishing the Fruits books for this.

[Anonymous No.9562373]

>>9562024
マーブル ヴィジブル

[Anonymous No.9562465]

>>9561830
What is his sisters name?

[Anonymous No.9562467]

>>9561883
>like how Shinya from Diru dropped wearing dresses and feminine fashion.
I think he still looks very feminine and they still do events with other visual kei bands sometimes

[Anonymous No.9562475]

>>9561967
Atelier Pierrot, Alice Auaa and Atelier Boz have physical shops I think? I'm sad h.Naoto is gone, their shops looked really cool.

>>9561992
>the same designers will probably attend similar events in the future
I used to think like that when a lot of vk bands came to Europe but I was very wrong.

[Anonymous No.9562478]

I remember coming over some pictures of "punk lolita" and I instantely fell in love. It led me on a wild googling adventure and I stumbled upon pics like OP's, old FRUiTS scans, all the streetstyles...my 14 year old self was exstatic.

I still have a fascination with old school-lolita and the streetstyles of late 90's up to mid 2000's. There's something special about it. I still collect images from this era on my pinterest, to keep as inspiration.

Pic very related, the outfit to the left is GLORIOUS (and I would probably wear this outfit).

[Anonymous No.9562504]

>>9562465
Her mangaka name is Eiki Eiki, she did Love Stage!! and Daigo voiced the elder brother (on the left) who's the lead singer of "Crusherz"

[Anonymous No.9562577]

i was a little late to lolita but this thread is making me nostalgic for a past i never even had.

[Anonymous No.9562716]

>>9561989
are there any good tutorials showing how to use half wigs in english? when i google it I only get links to old deleted blogs.

[Anonymous No.9563218]

>>9560950
If you love the brand, you should support them. I don't think anyone who calls themselves a real gothic lolita should want to see Moitie just keel because they're stuck in the past. I really think goths like you contribute to the dying like the blogpost stated. You don't want to accept modern Moitie (and it looks super timeless compared to all other brands, honestly) but just fawn over Mana's spread in the now dead GLB and try and find ancient pieces. Everyone gets nostalgic, but just wishing for bygone days doesn't help the industry and it doesn't help gothic lolita especially.

Mana really inspired me in his latest interview, saying gothic is simply for those that care about it now. It exploded in popularity and he actually doesn't mind the interest is back to what it was. This latest release has definitely inspired me and shows he want to give life back into gothic lolita in particular. Don't mistake the gothic explosion for being a lot of people who loved it. It was really superficial for many individuals and the scene has always been niche and small.

[Anonymous No.9563236]

>>9561302
/cgl/ is it's own worst enemy. I wouldn't because I don't want to end up here and don't post on CoF because I want neither ass-kissing nor /cgl/ shitty "criticism". Most girls who go to meets want to be low key and things kept within their comm. There's always going to be some weaker coords in comms as well and someone's inevitably going to be that dick that posts them to the ita thread.

[Anonymous No.9564125]

>>9563236
>There's always going to be some weaker coords in comms as well and someone's inevitably going to be that dick that posts them to the ita thread.
That's true; comm's by their nature (if they're of any size) will have people with a range of different wardrobe sizes and lengths of time in the fashion, so even if a comm is lucky enough not to have any perma-itas, it'd be sad if new girls got posted because their one pair of lolita shoes don't match their coord well or whatever. I have been to meets where everyone looked stellar but they were mostly the sort of events that lots of photos would end up on social media of anyway.

>>9561855
>Malice Mizer were one of the first big VK groups, right?
>>9561925
>Malice Mizer were one of the first bands to exploit fanservice
I don't know enough about early VK to know if MM were one of the first brands to use fanservice (or enough about the members to be sure if they used fanservice so much because they were into each other or purely as an act) but they weren't one of the first VK bands. Gackt says in his own autobiography that between him joining and their relationship turning sour it was "around the end of the "visual kei" boom period", and that was in 1995-1998. I know nothing about the bands that came before then though so I can't say whether they were getting jiggy with each other for shock value too or not.
http://darcenciel.livejournal.com/251648.html

[Anonymous No.9564277]

>>9561164
That album cover was and still is so iconic.

[Anonymous No.9564693]

Country lolita makes me nostalgic. Probably because I grew up in the country and the style reminds me of what my friends and I used to wear to church as kids (gingham, floral, poofy skirt, straw purses, etc.)

[Anonymous No.9564694]

>>9562577
I've heard people describe Lolita as being nostalgic to a time that never existed

[Anonymous No.9564703]

>>9564125
They were not one of the first but they were for sure one of the most influential. The first visual kei bands also had some very feminine-looking members but I'm ignorant when it comes to fanservice.

[Anonymous No.9565034]

>>9564693
Country Lolita makes me really nostalgic, even though it was the style I was least interested in.

Does anyone remember old lolita resources from the time? I remember the styles in these old guides went something like this:

EGA - Boz and Moitie looks that haven't changed much since then.
"Kodona"/boystyle - The less mature, more boyish version of mens EGA.
EGL - Your stereotypical black x white lolita, which was king
Ama Lolita/Sweet Lolita - Usually solid pinks with white lace, or things like solid red or polka dots with white lace. It wasn't uncommon to see the occasional decora mixed in with these.
Kuro/Shiro lolita - Just solid black lolita or solid white. Most coords I saw at the time had a gothic feel, though.
Country lolita - Maybe the roots of some of classic? Straw hats, little baskets, gingham prints.

That was about it. Also, I don't remember the term "classic lolita" around this era at all. I quit lolita for a period and when I came back, that was a new term for me. Country was the closest it came or generic floral prints.

It was definitely just the era of mostly solids and where the lace spoke for you. I always wish that black x white lace look would just make a comeback, since it's what made me fall in love with the fashion.

[Anonymous No.9565142]

>>9564694
Oh wow. That's actually...beautifully put

[Anonymous No.9565350]

>>9565034
I actually remember discussions on LJ about whether polka dots were acceptable in lolita or not, and people freaking out when brands (I think mostly AP) started using them.

[Anonymous No.9570447]

>>9560901
>tfw will never be sacrificed to Mana on a MmM counter

[Anonymous No.9571041]

>>9570447
That's the dream.

>>9563218
I feel like I would accept more modern Moitie if they had more than 2-3 items to pick from on their site at any one time, or stopped listing everything as 82cm bust regardless of if it actually was. Still salty that Neo Gothic Arch apparently wouldn't fit me.

[Anonymous No.9575901]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCeGn5kliis

This. I had just come across the btssb site for the first time, then saw this. Instantly fell in love with the fashion.

[Anonymous No.9581128]

>>9575901
I wonder who those girls were. Children of designers maybe? One of them looks like she's wearing h.NAOTO and I don't think they ever made kids' sizes.

[Anonymous No.9581153]

>>9560950
For me it's difficult to support Moitie when Mana himself doesn't seem interested in the lolita scene. If he would communicate with us more often, make public appearances, maybe do a re-release or two, I would feel more of a connection with the brand. I recently started making enough money to be able to buy new releases a couple times a month, and other than a headdress and a blouse I haven't found the motivation to buy from MmM. I buy from brands like Metamorphose, because they make me feel valued as a customer. I know part of Mana's appeal is his mystique, but at this point I think it's damaging his brand overall.

[Anonymous No.9581168]

I remember discovering lolita when I was in middle school and came across the 'lolita handbook' on LJ. It's so outdated now, I pulled up its old discription of sweet for a little laugh at how its all changed. I remember it talking about how Sweet was getting out of hand, and some brands were even doing -gasp- prints! And how you may occasionally even find a dress in a yellow, or perhaps a mint color. But back then in ye olden days I guess most sweet was pretty different, I do still love the look though.

[Anonymous No.9581202]

>>9560689
I literally had a folder just for her outfits inside my inspiration folder (oh, the days before pinterest....).She commented on my outfit on a Facebook she mods and I freaked out inside.

[Anonymous No.9582033]

>>9560701
sheit, every time I see this pic I get the urge to shave off my brows...

[Anonymous No.9582216]

>>9560681
This is the photo/dress that got me into lolita :(

[Anonymous No.9583806]

>>9560815
Wait, did she die or something?

[Anonymous No.9583809]

>>9583806
This anon >>9560815 probably thought that she left lolita for good. She took a break but came back recently.

[Anonymous No.9583818]

ho boy this brings me back