/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

[Anonymous No.9707069]

I was thinking today (a dangerous pastime, I know) about all the articles the news has put out over the years about lolita fashion. I started to google them a little and figured it could be fun to have a thread to talk about them, share them, discuss which outlets did better. I'll dump as many as I can find!

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/life/article/Fantastical-Lolita-style-woven-into-Houston-11243139.php

[Anonymous No.9707071]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/transgender-woman-identity-crisis-finds-10399057

[Anonymous No.9707074]

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xdmag4/inside-the-magical-world-of-lolitas

[Anonymous No.9707078]

https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/fandom/lolita-brolita-japanese-fashion-culture-guide/

[Anonymous No.9707081]

http://www.ozy.com/fast-forward/why-lolita-fashion-is-taking-over-catwalks/72289

[Anonymous No.9707084]

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/vv5xb8/the-complex-femininity-of-japanese-lolita-fashion

[Anonymous No.9707089]

http://www.startribune.com/meet-minnesota-s-latest-project-runway-star-a-pioneer-of-the-lolita-fashion-scene/440776383/#1

>a pioneer of the lolita fashion scene
lol nope

[Anonymous No.9707091]

http://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/article/2048563/kawaii-hong-kong-how-citys-lolitas-live-cute

[Anonymous No.9707093]

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/news/campus/article_44596f26-9a40-11e6-8afa-bfb022e78c06.html

It's kinda neat that a college paper did a piece on lolita

[Anonymous No.9707096]

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/dp5pm7/meet-the-hijabi-lolita-968

[Anonymous No.9707099]

https://www.houstoniamag.com/articles/2017/3/16/japanese-lolita-fashion-houston-shop-in-wonderland

[Anonymous No.9707101]

https://www.bustle.com/articles/178688-9-plus-size-lolita-blogs-thatll-make-you-fall-in-love-with-all-things-kitschy

[Anonymous No.9707103]

https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/the-dolls-life-lolita-models-interview/

[Anonymous No.9707107]

>>9707096
Aw, I've met her a couple of times! Sweet is not my thing but she can coord like a beast. She definitely knows how to make the hijab work for her as a part of the outfit. The times I saw her the hijab felt like a completely natural part of her coord as opposed to breaking the cohesion of the outfit.

I'd be curious as to what she could do with classic.

[[e-mail] No.9707109]

I have a few scholarly articles that I can share. They're pdfs, so drop me an email and I'll send them over.

>Urban Princesses: Performance and "Women's Language" in Japan's Gothic/Lolita Subculture
>Performing Lolita: The Japanese Gothic and Lolita Subculture and Constructing Identity through Virtual Space
>Undressing and Dressing Loli: A Search for the Identity of the Japanese Lolita

These are all I have for the moment, and they're kinda all over the place and not quite in tune with contemporary lolita ideals, mostly just fun to read.

[Anonymous No.9707111]

https://www.loyolamaroon.com/1119/life-times/lolita-fashion-allows-for-unique-form-of-expression-on-campus/

[Anonymous No.9707115]

>>9707069
>that reference

[Anonymous No.9707116]

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2012/05/04/national/exhibition-shows-britains-lolita-influence/#.WhyaolWnGUk

[Anonymous No.9707120]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/nyregion/thecity/28trib.html

>>9707115
:^)

[Anonymous No.9707125]

http://www.baka.com.au/lifestyle/fashion/brisbane-lolitas-change-fashion-landscape-20101105-17grh.html

[Anonymous No.9707128]

http://www.baka.com.au/lifestyle/fashion/brisbane-lolitas-change-fashion-landscape-20101105-17grh.html

Whoops wrong link

[Anonymous No.9707131]

>>9707089
can someone just comment on anything about her that shes so fulla shit? shes not welcome in the community and shes far from any sort of pioneer. she really grinds my gears ugh

[Anonymous No.9707132]

Okay so I thought I posted the wrong link AGAIN but it was actually just the word filters fucking with the link. It should say s m h .com/au

http://www.baka.com.au/lifestyle/fashion/brisbane-lolitas-change-fashion-landscape-20101105-17grh.html

[Anonymous No.9707133]

>>9707089
some lolitas i know were talking so highly about her when i looked up her "lolita" work and it wasn't... great? and as far as i can tell she was never really involved?

people got so salty when she was eliminated but they were only licking her ass because articles keep mentioning lolita in association with her name lol

[Anonymous No.9707136]

Wow I've been gently skimming these articles as I post and this one is just awful

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/the-scene/fashion/From-Japans-Sidewalks-to-NYC-Streets-Sweet-Lolita-Fashion.html

[Anonymous No.9707143]

http://japandailypress.com/japanese-sisters-pioneer-lolita-fashion-in-thailand-1232206/

[Anonymous No.9707146]

http://video.vogue.com/watch/sofia-sanchez-de-betak-tokyo-lolita-makeover-video

[Anonymous No.9707155]

>>9707146
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-lolitas-japan/lolita-goes-victorian-goth-in-japan-cosplay-trend-idUSTRE48S1Z220080929?feedType=RSS&feedName=lifestyleMolt&sp=true

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/life/article/Anime-convention-Victorian-fashion-meets-6174958.php

https://kotaku.com/warped-lolita-doll-comparisons-piss-off-model-655879393

http://www.vancourier.com/entertainment/all-the-angelic-pretty-clothes-horses-1.588236

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2878753/Tomboy-swaps-manly-jeans-T-shirts-favour-frills-petticoats-dress-like-LIVING-DOLL-spent-2-000-funding-habit.html

All right, that's what I could round up for now. If anyone has any other news articles/clips, please share! Bonus points if it's older.

[[e-mail] No.9707261]

>>9707109
send em

[Anonymous No.9707341]

>>9707109
could you maybe set up a dropbox link or something similar for easier access?

[Anonymous No.9707408]

Anyone remember this one?
http://www.morbidoutlook.com/fashion/articles/2002_07_gothiclolita.html

[Anonymous No.9707425]

>>9707341
Hopefully this works.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lvs41frprkyp70v/AACMUUoTiYYPGtEbe43BjoCUa?dl=0

[Anonymous No.9707731]

thank you for this thread OP

[Anonymous No.9707834]

Daily mail would feature LIVING DOLL articles every few months at one point, a lot have disappeared but here’s a few. They always put buzzwords everywhere to get comments or pick up the trashiest they can find.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3485702/Gender-fluid-writer-obsessed-Lolita-comic-book-villain-Loki-spends-19-000-dress-colourful-alter-egos.html

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4495222/amp/Transgender-woman-finds-self-acceptance-Lolita.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3177345/Human-Barbie-suffers-muscular-dystrophy-says-loves-symptoms-incurable-condition-make-look-act-like-real-doll.html

blast from the past also
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2136332/Venus-Palermo-The-truth-15-year-old-human-Barbie-South-London.html

[Anonymous No.9707841]

I always fucking dread these articles coming out, mainly bc the 'lolitas' they chose to interview or always either awful itas or weird rich girls with issues screaming about how they just want to be a 'real life princess uwu' or how 'ITS NOT RELATED TO THE BOOK DON"T WORRY' making us all look mental. I wish normal lolitas who actually knew their shit and could calmly explain the fashions history where the ones being interviewed. But it always ends up being some obnoxious, I guess bc they stand out the most. A crazy chick using weird pedo fashion as escapism is gonna get a lot more clicks/views than a normal girl who just expresses herself through clothes. Even short documentary made or overseen by other lolitas (like the one about the Australian comm or the one lovely lor was in) always portray the fashion as some big dramatic life-changing thing, yeah it might be like that for some but it just makes us all look delusional.

Id love for a docu made by a knowledgeable lolita that goes over the fashions roots, interviews with designers from old brands, models etc. Im tempted to do it myself but I don't have the funds or connections.

[Anonymous No.9707851]

>>9707069
>nice journalist at my uni asks to interview me because i wear lolita every day
>consider doing it because she was so nice and i know how it can be hard to find stories for daily newspapers
>remember articles like these
>hastily say no

the "outsider" perspective always makes us look so weird. glad i made that decision instead of showing up here tho

[Anonymous No.9707873]

>>9707071
>see the link
>see the pic
>already know it's something that will fill me with anxiety
>thankfully it's a 46yo mtf
>be less than half that
>still fearing to look like a man in a drag
Dresses will have to wait, I'm going to save for FFS, just in case. And get a rope, just in case. I would rather kill myself than let myself to look like this in lolita and allow anyone to see me.
I mean, she's probably happy, but I feel sorry for the other lolitas that are being seen with her, and for the bad image she creates for everyone in the fashion.

[Anonymous No.9707880]

>>9707873

[Anonymous No.9707894]

>>9707425
Thanks anon! When I said articles I didn't think about academic ones and these are super nice to have so thanks for sharing.

>>9707731
No problem! Some of these are unintentionally hilarious and I thought if I dumped enough others could laugh and cringe with me. Plus to see if anyone else had a good one that I had missed!

>>9707841
I agree. I love the lifestyle and I love the community but at the end of the day, I just love the dresses. It didn't "change my life", it just made it more beautiful.

>>9707873
I think the thing I don't like about her is that either her clothes don't fit/aren't flattering, or she just shows a little too much cleavage. But I try not to be too harsh on her because I have a friend who's in her comm and says she's actually nice.

[Anonymous No.9707927]

>>9707873
do you know of stef sanjati? mtf with good videos about how FFS helped a lot with feeling better after transitioning, she talks about how passing and not having that fear of being attacked made the "get a rope in case" thoughts go away

[Anonymous No.9707945]

>>9707069
Linking them takes them higher in Google's search results

[Anonymous No.9707948]

>>9707873
wow. you sound like a real asshole.
Andrea doesn't create a bad image, and the way you think she does/does not pass has no bearing on how I would practice lolita if I were in her comm.
bloomers and cutting her wig bangs would help, but honestly she really is getting better with time. transitioning is like being a teenager, from my understanding. everyone has gone through a style evolution, and sometimes people make mistakes and dress 'thotty' to read as feminine.
her eye makeup has definitely improved. I just think it would help her to consider her age and skintone for what would be more flattering.
I think she looks a bit like Anjelica Huston. I'd really like to see her git gud with hair and makeup because I think she could look better with heightened skill.

[Anonymous No.9707974]

>>9707948
I didn't mean to talk ill about her. I'm deeply sorry if it seemed like it. It's mostly about my own insecurities…
She certainly can look great. I think that at her age the sweet style doesn't suit her that well. She also has really prominent arms and legs. Especially when in short sleeves, they take the attention away from her outfit, contrasting unflatteringly.
But I shouldn't really be the one to talk, I admit I know very little about the fashion.
There's also the thing about her smile, it can seem a little forced and creepy after a while. So is the way she poses, pushing her torso much out, with legs and arms often spread out. Maybe she could use some advice on how to look good in photos.
She certainly has many ways to improve, but I would never call her ita. I see she really puts a lot of effort into trying to dress good, especially after browsing through her Instagram.

It's just that I have read on here so much about gulls talking about guys dressing in the fashion, for fetishistic purposes, never caring for advice, sometimes claiming to be brolitas or even trans, and also how it makes outsiders see comms and groups they appear in…
I do not know her, I would definitely feel intimidated a little if I have meet her for the first time.

>>9707894
I'm glad to hear she's a nice person.
You can never know about how people are just (or especially) from articles in DailyMail or Mirror.

>>9707927
Now I do, I will check them out when I find some free time. Thank you!

[Anonymous No.9708067]

>>9707974
>>9707948
>>9707894
Andrea is a terrible person, for reasons that have nothing to do with looks or gender. She can be very nice, but she also is extremely selfish and self important, and has a bad track record as an event organizer. Ask anyone involved in running the Frill convention a few years back, or vendors/brands she’s worked with for events, and there are some horror stories.

[Anonymous No.9708094]

>>9707873
... That poor screaming bodice. The waist isn't supposed to circumnavigate your bust dude

[Anonymous No.9708131]

>>9707120
>Gory lolitas
>Erotic lolitas
>White lolitas

What the actual fuck, why did they anglicize the substyles? They sound silly af that way

[Anonymous No.9708138]

>>9707948
>I think she looks a bit like Anjelica Huston.

You do realize you don't come off as kind or some sort of ally, but rather as condescending and insincere as fuck, right?

[Anonymous No.9708142]

>>9707115
What am I missing?

[Anonymous No.9708244]

>>9707945
So it goes

[Anonymous No.9708275]

>>9707834
These titles sound like pitches for the article joke from Bojack Horseman

[Anonymous No.9708277]

>>9708142
>I was thinking today (a dangerous pastime, I know)

[Anonymous No.9708347]

>>9708131
>>Erotic lolitas
Kills my soul tbqh

[Anonymous No.9708433]

>>9708138
Yo, Anjelica Huston is striking. That was a compliment. I'm sorry you read it a different way.
Neither of them have conventional faces, and there's nothing wrong with that. there is a way to play up every face and make yourself shine.

[Anonymous No.9708555]

Posting this from the general thread http://lifestyle.inquirer.net/242230/how-to-look-like-lolita/

[Anonymous No.9708556]

>>9708555
Did she wear waist ties around her neck...

[Anonymous No.9708560]

>>9708556
It's not a bad idea. The article, however,
>A reference to the 12-year-old girl in Vladimir Nabokov’s controversial novel,
Is on a new level of cringe. Holy Shit.

[Anonymous No.9708565]

>>9708560
If you want new level of cringe, the NBC article from >>9707136 is worse

>Are you a grown woman - or man - who wants to dress like a doll-child?
>This weirdly infantilized trend
>....many of the movement's followers order their goods directly from Japanese purveyors, whose micro-sizes "can prove challenging, especially for cross-dressers" - has lots of great suggestions for places you can go to spend your hard-earned recession dollars on a getup that will no doubt delight pedophiles in all five boroughs

[Anonymous No.9708579]

>>9708555
The only ageplay going on this pic is the top tier granny-kei

[Anonymous No.9708580]

>>9708556
Yes it is. Along with the horrible couch print it just makes her look all the more like a tired old receptionist who reeks of cigarette smoke and life regrets.

[Anonymous No.9708591]

>>9708565
>a getup that will no doubt delight pedophiles in all five boroughs
I stand corrected.

[Anonymous No.9708602]

>>9707101
What an unfortunate image

[Anonymous No.9708611]

>>9708580
I think most of her coords look like trash.

[Anonymous No.9708650]

>>9707873
Things that she could've spent all the money that she used on lolita: chin reduction surgery

[OP No.9708744]

I just finished scanning the archives and I found more!

http://www.vogue.it/en/people-are-talking-about/obsession-of-the-day/2011/10/gothic-guide-halloween

>Gothic Lolitas spend a considerable amount of money on custom-made clothes and accessories that make them look like Victorian child prostitutes. Whatever floats their boat.

[OP No.9708745]

Here's another academic article

http://intersections.anu.edu.au/issue20/mackie.htm

>Transnational Bricolage:
Gothic Lolita and the Political Economy of Fashion

[Anonymous No.9708746]

>>9707069
>a dangerous pastime, I know
Is this a motherfucking Gaston reference?

[Anonymous No.9708747]

>>9708744
God, I remember this one.
>child prostitutes
Why is this term so bizarrely common when people talk about the fashion? Do they not realize what an awful thing that is to say in any context?

[OP No.9708750]

There were a couple articles about Melanie Martinez that mention her "lolita" style

https://www.inquisitr.com/2352559/how-melanie-martinez-perfectly-captures-the-gothic-lolita-spirit-on-cry-baby/

http://thesource.com/2014/10/18/her-source-i-melanie-martinez-talks-carousel-american-horror-story-more/

[OP No.9708753]

>>9708746
Yes, yes it was :^) >>9708277

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/international-lolita-day-streets-new-york-article-1.2250859

This one has a video of ILD in New York

[OP No.9708756]

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/martin-townsend/539054/Martin-Townsend-Punks-teddyboys-new-romantics-fashion

This one gets some things wrong but not in a really bad way, plus this line was cute

>Most importantly there was a wonderful atmosphere of friendliness and shared creativity, the best I have encountered since covering the early days of hip-hop music in the 1980s for a pop magazine.

[OP No.9708759]

https://www.thelocal.se/20141124/us-womans-many-startups-in-sweden

>For this week’s My Swedish Career we meet American Carolynn Piittisjärvi, an entrepreneur who has already managed to turn several hobbies into Swedish businesses. She has just launched a store selling Japanese clothes, toys and stationary in the hope of spreading ‘kawaii’.

[OP No.9708763]

Here's a Venus Angelic interview. You can really see how crazy her mom is in this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bL_vEiARY8

[OP No.9708766]

http://www.ozy.com/presidential-daily-brief/pdb-74115/frill-seekers-74135

>It’s a playful dress-up style, but its name evokes the underage love interest in Vladimir Nabokov’s eponymous novel.
>Still, they must deflect sneers that they’re guilty of capitalizing on pedophilic fantasy.

[OP No.9708772]

https://youtu.be/gAVXqbLQzAE?t=3m12s

The title is "10 WEIRD Fashion Subcultures You Won't Believe Actually Exist" but I linked it from the start of the lolita portion.

>Participants of this movement channel their inner Queen Victoria by wearing really extravagant costumes every single day

Kill me

[OP No.9708773]

[YouTube] 10 WEIRD Fashion Subcultures You Won't Believe Actually Exist (embed)

I linked it from the start of the lolita portion.

>Participants of this movement channel their inner Queen Victoria by wearing really extravagant costumes every single day

Kill me

[OP No.9708778]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKg8kl_fFuk

A Vice piece on Canada lolitas.

[OP No.9708780]

>>9708778
They also did a separate piece on a brolita and someone who is genderfluid

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/kbjxnv/what-its-like-to-find-belonging-in-the-lolita-community

[OP No.9708782]

There was also a lolita wedding featured in Offbeat Bride

http://offbeatbride.com/lolita-fashion-wedding/

[Anonymous No.9708790]

>>9708782
This one actually quite cute. It takes lolita as just an aspect of the ceremony and not some quirky thing to be gawked at, which is nice

[OP No.9708792]

I don't think this technically counts as an article but it did a good job of representing the fashion even though that's not their focus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb8qGTh82yk&feature=youtu.be

Also I was scrolling through the comments on the facebook post (which are ATROCIOUS) and I just

>"I once read a book called 1984 so that must have been what the year 1984 was really like"

I LOVE YOU

[OP No.9708794]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqE0Ut8mPXs&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mce9JfGXsF8&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV3OtzUwcPg&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2GK14newHU&feature=youtu.be

[OP No.9708797]

Pretty decent article about how to get into the fashion and places you can go in Japan

https://www.timeout.com/tokyo/shopping/how-to-dress-like-a-lolita-girl

[OP No.9708799]

The archives also had a set of images from an article but I have no idea where it was printed. If anyone does that's awesome.

[OP No.9708801]

>>9708799

[OP No.9708802]

>>9708801

[OP No.9708803]

>>9708802

[OP No.9708804]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwnmGod0OqM

[OP No.9708806]

God bless the Internet Archive https://web.archive.org/web/20150530113214/https://www.villagevoice.com/microsites/lolitas-of-nyc/

[OP No.9708809]

So I found this image but couldn't find the source. I think it's because "about" is now "dotdash" or something

[Anonymous No.9708810]

>>9707873
She wore this awful, low cut, ren fest looking OP to my comm's summer ILD event and just. Ugh. She also does her makeup like a ventriloquist dummy straight out of a horror flick and looks so much worse up close in person.

[OP No.9708811]

The number of times the word lolita is in the article makes me laugh, for obvious reasons

https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurenorsini/2015/10/20/lacy-looks-and-small-business-struggles-its-all-part-of-the-doll-life/#7598100a1328

[OP No.9708817]

I need to track down this episode myself and see the horror. Also again thank you Internet Archive!

https://web.archive.org/web/20140418062140/http://voices.yahoo.com/what-not-wear-lexa-weird-lolita-3997573.html?cat=2

>The problem is, Lexa has become enamored with Japanese "Lolita" clothing, which has an exaggerated little-girl style.
>When Stacy and Clinton try to explain the sexual connotations to her wardrobe, she is offended, saying that's not what "Lolita" is about--it's not sexual. While I agree that her clothes weren't revealing, it's apparent that she's never read Nabokov, or delved enough into the manga/anime community.
>I can see how Lexa might be attracted to the feminine details, but as Stacy points out, the way it's cut is just more suitable for a 10 year old girl and not a grown woman. On a 30 year old, it just looks like a costume.
>Clinton is stunned by her wardrobe, saying it's all "child or grandma". It's true that much of her clothing is either dowdy or anime kiddie style.
>Lexa goes on to obsess about the high heels. They're too sexy, she feels, and with the "short" skirt she feels she's exposing way too much skin. She feels uncomfortable, and thinks it says "skank". Stacy and Clinton are dumbfounded, especially since Lexa's "Gothic Lolita" dress in the What Not to Wear 360 was shorter--and she was wearing it with a stacked sandal. Determined to improve her mood, Stacy and Clinton let her go and get flats. (Hey, at least she didn't say the outfit was "weird".)
>I hope Lexa can learn to see herself more clearly, and enjoy being herself rather than trying to turn herself into a character she hopes people will admire.

[OP No.9708819]

I need eye bleach

http://geekxgirls.com/article.php?ID=2859

[Anonymous No.9708834]

This thread really saddens me. It just shows that mainstream media doesn't care about what it talks about at all. The amount of disinformation and manipulation is horrifying. And with how easy you can prove them wrong just by checking wikipedia(!), I'm not sure why they do it.

[Anonymous No.9708838]

>>9708834
Also great job, OP. Keep it up.

[Anonymous No.9709055]

>>9708817
>>I can see how Lexa might be attracted to the feminine details, but as Stacy points out, the way it's cut is just more suitable for a 10 year old girl and not a grown woman. On a 30 year old, it just looks like a costume.

this truth though

[Anonymous No.9709090]

>>9708819
>mfw I used to be friends with that girl

Small world.

[Anonymous No.9709101]

>>9708804
I think this is my favourite documentary. He did a good job dressing up, didn't mock or ridicule, and none of the girls said cringy things or presented their personal opinion as something all lolitas should believe.

[Anonymous No.9709132]

>Lolita is cringey as fuck with that faux innocent little girl pedo-bait look.

>Lolita, by name, is a weird infantalization and sexualizing of victorian fashion. I'm not saying the fashion industry doesn't do either of those things (Marc Jacobs ss17). It's just a lot less rigid in design and more self aware when it's being provocative. There isn't the pretense of innocence in fashion.
>Lolita seems to be more about a lifestyle and embracing creativity only within very narrow parameters. It's cartoony, and it doesn't help this stigma that it's embraced by weebs. It's not a mistake that lolitas go to cgl instead of fa.

[Anonymous No.9709155]

>>9708809

[Anonymous No.9709159]

I found this... uff

[Anonymous No.9709164]

>>9709055
Not necessarily, age doesn't matter nearly as much as appearance does. Case in point: Misako is 34 years old.
I feel sorry for her but iirc Lexa was kind of an ita so I can't really blame them for saying her frills looked like a costume on her, because they most likely did.

[Anonymous No.9709180]

>>9709159
I mean, it's not too terrible but the way the author completely digressed off the subject of the fashion to women's lives in Japan is quite odd.

[Anonymous No.9709406]

>>9709159
Actually that's a pretty interesting and well written article. Pretty interesting take on the genesis of Lolita culture as a rebellion against constant pressures and expectations by instead flaunting in indulgence.

Interesting but brief look into the lives of Japanese women.

[Anonymous No.9709407]

>>9709180
...can you really not see the link between fashion as a rebellion to culture? I thought she made the link pretty clear...

[Anonymous No.9709411]

>>9708817
>I hope Lexa can learn to see herself more clearly, and enjoy being herself rather than trying to turn herself into a character she hopes people will admire.
“I hope she will stop dressing the way she likes and instead starts dressing in a way I find appealing, which I tell myself is totally for her own good”. Fuck I hate these shows so much. She didn’t dress very well, but at least she was happy and could express herself.

>>9708834
Because clickbait. Informative articles aren’t nearly as well read as freakshow articles, plus if you just make shit up you don’t waste any time on research. Goths have been dealing with this for decades.

[Anonymous No.9709430]

>>9707408
>http://www.morbidoutlook.com/fashion/articles/2002_07_gothiclolita.html
I remember this. What a blast from the past.

[Anonymous No.9709460]

>>9708792
This was great and I like the gay host

[Anonymous No.9709689]

>>9709407
Of course I can see the connection, but the article is begins with discussing lolita fashion (and titled to suit the subject) while somehow completely derailing to discuss women in Japan until the very end. It's not really an article about lolita if it ends with notes about birthrate in Japan, is it? It's more like a feature about feminism/womanhood in Japanese culture than an article that covers the fashion.

[Anonymous No.9709704]

>>9708799
It was from bust

[OP No.9709805]

>>9708838
Thanks!

>>9709159
The fact that lolita isn't mentioned after the second column makes me agree with >>9709689

>>9709704
Thank you!

[OP No.9709813]

Anyone remember this? I was still an ita when it came out lmao. Time sure does fly!

https://imgur.com/a/mKK8Q

[OP No.9709816]

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/lolita-cosplay-brooklyn-cherry-blossom-festival-article-1.2200578

>Lolita fashion is a street style of fashion that originated in Japan and has evolved and spread beyond its borders. The style can range from sweet baby doll to hard core goth and everything in between. However, a common thread is its inspiration from Victorian Era clothing and its chaste, “not sexy” style.

[OP No.9709820]

https://tokyokawaiietc.wordpress.com/2012/04/28/lolita-dresses-you-will-fall-in-deep-love-with-them-since-today/

Yikes

>Most people hold the opinion that once a girl puts on a black-and-white shirt and a checkedskirt, she has already been a Lolita girl. Also, there are some people think Lolita does not only refer to a kind of costume style, but also a sort of spirit.
>Sweet Love Lolita -pink, light blue, white etc are main colors in this series. Velvet is the most popular cloth.
>Elegant Gothic Lolita – black and white are most frequently used here. They stand for mystery, terror and death.
>Classic Lolita – they are basically similar to sweet Lolita dresses. But simpler colors are adopted.
>Gothic & Lolita refers to a kind of clothing style. Cosplay means a sort of roll play activity. Don’t mix them up please. To be honest, a lot of people misunderstand this because many anime roles appear with gothic & Lolita clothes. For example, Sakura Kinomoto from Card Captor Sakura, Chii from Chobits etc are popular characters in anime. Both of them wear gothic & Lolita clothes. This undoubtedly directly causes the misunderstanding.
>In Japan, these Lolita dresses are always sold on prices more than one thousand.

I'm glad people called out all the misinfo in the comments because good lord so much was wrong

[OP No.9709829]

https://www.thecut.com/2014/07/japanese-lolita-subculture-takes-new-york.html

This is one of the more well rounded ones. Good info, simple and short explanation that it's not about Nabokov, nice comments from the lolitas.

[Anonymous No.9709830]

>>9709813
>Time sure does fly!
W-when was this posted? Couldn't have been that long ago, right? Like, last year?

[OP No.9709832]

>>9709830
Two years

[Anonymous No.9709838]

>>9709832
Okay good, I was concerned for a moment.
To stay on topic, here's some older cringe: https://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/06/nocturnalist-all-dolled-up/
>“A Lolita is not necessarily someone who is trying to entice an older man,” she said. Around her, girls in thigh-highs posed for photos, some suggestively nibbling kitten-shaped cookies.
>But, her friend added, “What sexy is in America, that’s what cute is in Japan.”
>mfw

[OP No.9709839]

https://www.boredpanda.com/muslim-lolita-hijab-japanese-fashion-anime/
http://tokyogirlsupdate.com/musulim-lolita-fashion-20150752829.html

I feel like when the first "muslim lolita" article dropped we got blasted with a ton of them just because of the novelty of it

>But, the “Musu-Rori” is possible in just some of the Western countries that allow freedom of fashion, and within their range of freedom with their beliefs, they have coped with their own way of enjoying the Lolita.

Yes, they turned "muslim lolita" into "musu-rori"

[Anonymous No.9709846]

>>9708817
>When Stacy and Clinton try to explain the sexual connotations to her wardrobe, she is offended
Fucking love it with clueleless people try to "explain" my style to me.

>>9709838
>some suggestively nibbling kitten-shaped cookies
dat projection

>>9708756
This article is actually really lovely, and I'd never seen it before, great job.

[OP No.9709860]

Found a bit of the What Not To Wear train wreck. I honestly think the outfit she's wearing in this is pretty lowkey, I really hate how they kept saying "costume"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vcldoyQ50k
>If we had just looked at your wardrobe without meeting you, we would've thought that you were one kinky bitch
lol wut

[Anonymous No.9710038]

>>9709860
i saw a girl wearing that same grey dress shes wearing in the clip and sent her this clip and she got mad at me lol

[Anonymous No.9710057]

>>9709839
We turned larme-kei and otome-kei into a thing. Western people trying to make up terms in pidgin Japanese is always cringe.

[Anonymous No.9710087]

>>9710057
Isn't larme the name of the magazine?

[Anonymous No.9710134]

>>9709860
the outfit they've picked for her with that large pendant screams
>over forty tryna still look hot
wtf
That said, she is an ita and her lolita outfits were decidedly badly coorded and picked.

[Anonymous No.9710188]

>>9710087
Yeah and a bunch of westerners taking the name of a Japanese magazine they like and adding a -kei to it doesn't make it a substyle, that's the point

[Anonymous No.9710198]

>>9708763
lol you can see how crazy her mom is in every interview. That hag stays in Korea because over there if she acts weird people will contribute it to her being a foreigner. If she goes back home she'll end up in the looney bin in no time.

>>9709689
And it's also ridiculous, the author has a huge chip on her shoulder. Japanese women don't like the pill because they don't want to fuck around with their hormones just so a guy can slip their dick into them without having to worry about knocking her up. Given how low Japan's rates of teenage pregnancy are, and the low birth rates in general, as well as abortion being easily accessible, the notion that women have less control over their reproductive sexuality, especially compared to the U.S. with its lunatic fringe trying to get rid of all forms of birth control, is ridiculous, racist claptrap. That she connects it to a street fashion just boggles the mind. As if she was really hard up for something that screamed Look at these crazy Japanese they're so much weirder than us protestant potato hoovers!

Pic related, it's the author. In Japan people probably thought she was a tranny.

[Anonymous No.9710217]

>>9710198
>And it's also ridiculous, the author has a huge chip on her shoulder. Japanese women don't like the pill because they don't want to fuck around with their hormones just so a guy can slip their dick into them without having to worry about knocking her up. Given how low Japan's rates of teenage pregnancy are, and the low birth rates in general, as well as abortion being easily accessible, the notion that women have less control over their reproductive sexuality, especially compared to the U.S. with its lunatic fringe trying to get rid of all forms of birth control, is ridiculous, racist claptrap. That she connects it to a street fashion just boggles the mind. As if she was really hard up for something that screamed Look at these crazy Japanese they're so much weirder than us protestant potato hoovers!

When you're done projecting all you insecurities about your home country I'd love some sources for any of this hot mess plz

[Anonymous No.9710222]

>>9710198
Why is it Americans seem incapable of reading about different nations without feeling the need to always somehow make it about America or turn it into a big whine about America

Like seriously we don't care

[Anonymous No.9710238]

>>9710222
Why do europoors always whine about the most prevailent users of this board talking about America in relevant conversations, as if anyone cares they exist at all?

[Anonymous No.9710271]

>>9710217
Have you heard of something called google? Wikipedia is also a good resource for the tragically ignorant.

[Anonymous No.9710274]

>>9710238
The article was about Japan, we don't care about whatever problems in your country you want to whine about

>prevailent

lel

[Anonymous No.9710276]

>>9710238
>Europoors
Western Europeans have higher incomes than Ameripoors, lots more labor laws to protect them, this is why Walmart fucked off out of Europe almost as soon as they started, couldn't push their abominable business model. This is the case for people with jobs, students, as well as those on replacement incomes from social security.

[Anonymous No.9710277]

>>9710274
And it was written by an Australian. Lots of huge, ugly women, descended from rough convicts, no wonder she hates Japan.

[Anonymous No.9710280]

>>9710271
>>9710271
You made the claims, you don't know basic citation? Sorry your weeaboo fantasies don't count as a source.

I'm especially interested in where you got abortions in Japan being easily accessible, and if you could also throw in a source for how abortions are viewed societally in Japan making it not just physically accessible but socially accessible so if you could just go ahead and throw that in that'd be great thanks

I understand, of course, all this would be made incredibly more difficult if you were just talking out of your ass

Reputable sources please, no blogs

[Anonymous No.9710283]

>>9710277
>woman writes article about women in Japan that isn't OMG SO KAWAII UBER FEMINIST DESUU
>hates Japan

seriously though is this why American journalism is so fucked up?

[Anonymous No.9710288]

>>9710280
>only 1% of the population is christian

>In subsequent years, abortion became socially accepted to the point that Japan drew international criticism for attracting foreigners seeking to terminate their pregnancies. Since the turn of the 21st century, around 300,000 abortions have been conducted in Japan each year.

[Anonymous No.9710293]

>>9710288
>only 5% of the populations is reptoids

>Godzilla to step in as prime minister

>In an effort to keep Mount Fuji at bay, half the attendees at Comiket were killed in the largest virgin sacrifice of the modern era

Hey I can do that too

Do you even know how to cite something? You do realise this site is 18+ right?

[Anonymous No.9710296]

>>9710288
(Also lol at the implication that only Christian nations have taboos against abortions and that a low Christian population would instantly make abortions socially acceptable holy fuck how are you this ignorant and then getting angry at a newspaper article and professional journalist the fuck)

[Anonymous No.9710316]

>>9710134
They do that with everyone in those shows. No matter their age, personal taste or body type, they get dressed like a mid-forties mom trying to get her groove back after her children left for college. Most of the outfits actually look like they were stolen from my own mother. It would be funny if it weren’t so depressing.

[Anonymous No.9710386]

>>9710293
you're still a retard.

[Anonymous No.9710388]

>>9710293
You're a collegiate saint, thank you for your contribootions

[Anonymous No.9710508]

>>9708555
filipina wa lolita deserved better than this. that cam angle is also unfortunate

[Anonymous No.9710692]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/06/gothic-lolita-fashion-style-mexico_n_1479029.html

[Anonymous No.9710695]

http://geekout.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/21/lolita-fashion-finds-a-niche-in-the-u-s/

[Anonymous No.9710697]

http://observer.case.edu/wood-keeping-up-with-kawaii-culture/

[Anonymous No.9710699]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/14/tokyo-adorned_n_4943913.html

[Anonymous No.9710700]

https://www.timeout.com/newyork/things-to-do/lolita-fashion

[Anonymous No.9710703]

>>9710695
>back when RinRin was Layla

[Anonymous No.9710704]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/02/business/global/02cool.html

[Anonymous No.9710713]

https://splinternews.com/apartment-for-rent-in-pittsburgh-one-bed-one-bath-cr-1793850566

Oh my god I forgot all about this

[Anonymous No.9710716]

https://jezebel.com/5056235/gothic-lolita-style-rebellious-or-regressive

>Of course, one could argue that the subtext here is that by wearing girlish clothes, these young women are telegraphing the weakness or helplessness of a child. Is it the equivalent of wearing a sign that says, "Please take care of me?"

Fuck this person with something long and covered in chili powder

[Anonymous No.9710721]

Gonna dump a bunch of Kotaku ones

https://kotaku.com/your-commander-shepard-isnt-as-fabulous-as-this-lolita-1137597562
https://kotaku.com/nier-automatas-protagonist-would-look-at-home-on-japan-1793375195
https://kotaku.com/gothic-lolita-themed-kitchen-knives-exist-1766111051
https://kotaku.com/5905278/this-teenage-gothic-lolita-will-rock-your-brains-out
https://kotaku.com/theres-a-japan-lolita-association-its-for-fashion-507410724
https://kotaku.com/5906555/dont-confuse-japanese-kids-in-white-face-with-wanting-to-be-white/
https://kotaku.com/5881935/let-this-gothic-lolita-shoot-up-your-shelves/
https://kotaku.com/5042341/gothic-lolita-shooter-death-smiles-getting-xbox-360-version

[Anonymous No.9710722]

>>9710716
>these young women are telegraphing the weakness or helplessness of a child. Is it the equivalent of wearing a sign that says, "Please take care of me?"
To be fair, it's not completely far off from the image the Japanese girls aimed to adopt to themselves with their frills at the fashion's conception. It was a form of rebellion against their society that expected them to marry and take on the responsibilities of their household and new families.
It doesn't mean that the wearers of the fashion *are* helpless and need to be taken care of, obviously many lolitas are grown adults with jobs who fund their fashion and hobbies themselves, but the image of the dainty doll that can't (or rather doesn't care to) take care of a family is there.

[Anonymous No.9710728]

>>9710722
>but the image of the dainty doll that can't (or rather doesn't care to) take care of a family is there
>Is it the equivalent of wearing a sign that says, "Please take care of me?"

I see your point anon, but the author of the article was doing a bit of virtue signaling to make it about lolita being regressive

>By embracing Doll's House-style, are Lolitas a setback for women who want to be taken seriously?

How about, idgaf?

[Anonymous No.9710732]

>>9710728
Oh yeah that's definitely bullshit, I wouldn't expect much more from Jezebel though.

[Anonymous No.9710743]

>>9707873
I met her in person and talked to her at Rufflecon for the first time. I had seen and heard both good and bad things about her on here but I wanted to know what she was like irl, and she was actually quite sweet and friendly in person.
We talked about BTTSB new releases so she obviously knows about lolita and enjoys it, and isn't wearing it solely for fetishistic purposes. Honestly, she just seemed kind of lonely and was really nice and happy when I struck up conversation with her, and afterwards throughout the convention she'd always wave and smile when we passed each other.
Of course I can't profess to know someone just from minimal conversation, but from first impressions she seems like a kind individual who genuinely loves the fashion and just has an unfortunate face.

[Anonymous No.9711198]

>>9707074
I love this picture so much, they look like cgl in a nutshell.
>Two lolitas making the "you can't sit with us" face.
>One who looks more chill, but probably makes vendetta posts about the other two.

[Anonymous No.9711211]

>>9710716
>linking Jezebel
Madness

[Anonymous No.9712141]

Brolitas, lolitas

[Anonymous No.9713475]

>>9710743
Please refer to >>9708067
She can be fine on a one-to-one basis, but be careful attending or being involved with any events she runs.

[Anonymous No.9716254]

Guys. Guys. What was that one, where the actress "invented" lolita for her kids book series or some shit? I don't even remember what actress, I just remember she showed up on a talk show in brand and had some made up word for it, and the morning after it happened I honestly thought there was a new word filter cus the whole board was using the term.

[Anonymous No.9716343]

>>9716254
I remember that! Combing through EGL yielded no results, maybe I didn't search properly... but I definitely know what you're talking about. She was on Jimmy Fallon's show iirc.

[Anonymous No.9716362]

>>9716254
Evangeline Lilly and Squickerwonkers. I think it was AATP and mentioned in RC.

[Anonymous No.9716364]

>>9716254
https://the-squickerwonkers.tumblr.com/

btw it was AtePi, not AATP.

[Anonymous No.9716749]

The interview was from Jimmy Kimmel but it appears to be purged from YouTube. Found this image of the outfit though. Apparently she called it her "Squickerwonkers costume".

[Anonymous No.9716758]

https://dailytitan.com/2009/11/pmx09/

[Anonymous No.9716760]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/nyregion/11sales.html

[Anonymous No.9716763]

http://www.ocregister.com/2012/06/29/out-of-japan-and-into-lolita/

[Anonymous No.9716764]

there was the vice spread, anyone have the link? i was in some of the pics but never saw it in person :<

[Anonymous No.9716767]

>>9716764
Vice has been linked multiple times ITT. You're going to need to be more specific.

[Anonymous No.9716771]

>>9707091
Their ages listed in the article make me so happy. Not only do they look way younger than that but I love that the retarded "lolita is only for young teenagers" mentality is not there.

[Anonymous No.9716899]

>>9708794
>Age cut off 30
Oh

[Anonymous No.9716911]

>>9709164
Yeah her wardrobe was pretty small and wasn't the most cohesive at the time, and the pieces themselves weren't great either. It makes me wish there was a show where lolita veterans would give clueless newbs and forever itas a makeover.

[Anonymous No.9716922]

>>9707091
That wasn't badly written.

>“When I travelled to Canada wearing Lolita,” says Leung, “I thought the people would be more open-minded than in Hong Kong, but it is not so. Most of them dress in just trousers, and if they see you in Lolita they will take your photo without permission. It’s the same in China.

>“I am lucky to live in Hong Kong.”

Sounds familiar.

[Anonymous No.9716929]

http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/30734/1/meeting-a-kawaii-dominatrix-in-her-perverted-playground

At least she can't afford 'Angel Pretty'

[Anonymous No.9716950]

I'm still miffed that the Houston Chronicle got my name wrong when naming people in photos.

[Anonymous No.9716970]

>>9716929
What an edgelord.

[Anonymous No.9717006]

>>9716929
Disgusting