Refinery29's documentary on Menhera/Yami Kawaii

[Anonymous No.9777721]

I've not gotten the chance to watch it yet myself, but I'd like to hear any gulls' thoughts.

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Sorry for no direct link to the video, it won't let me post it. You'll find it if you scroll a bit down.

[Anonymous No.9777812]

It's good if you want to know more about the background but if you watch it expecting it being fashion, you will be disappointed as the only information is "mixing pastel and black".

[Anonymous No.9777821]

>>9777721
Menhera just needs to die already. I don't generally call people snowflakes but it is the single most snowflakey jfashion trend I've ever seen. It's like everything I hate most about Tumblr mixed with really basic fairy-kei.

[Anonymous No.9777829]

>>9777821
lolita needs to die already who the fuck enjoys herself wearing unflattering shit that makes you look like you’re overweight and have stumpy legs

[Anonymous No.9777835]

>>9777721
I watched that expecting it to be somewhat cringy, but it was alright.

>>9777821
Calm down, you salty cunt. People are allowed to like things you don't like.

[Anonymous No.9777838]

>>9777821

[Anonymous No.9777856]

>>9777821
Eh bait or not
its pretty cute, I fucking love Kuua Oyasumi need to get my hands on some of her merch

[Anonymous No.9777889]

>>9777821
Agreed but I never say it because everyone gets butthurt. It's just fairy kei x tumblr "I'm sooo mentally ill!!!!!!" "aesthetic"

[Anonymous No.9777898]

>>9777889
I thought it was just "hospital aesthetic"
It's cute when it's done right

Tumblr definitely has some ugly as fuck coords tho, and I'm not surprised it attracts crazy munchie types

[Anonymous No.9777902]

>>9777821
Yeah I agree but never say anything because even on /cgl/ the mentally ill tumblrites who love it will crawl out of the woodwork like roaches to REE about it.

[Anonymous No.9777967]

I like this, in a way. It's good to have some "inside" insight on what this style is and what it's intended to convey, beyond what western fans try to make of it.
Ngl at first I was bothered by Hanayo's sloppy coord with that Baby OP but now I just feel sad for her.
I do wish they elaborated more on the fashion style but it seems there's not enough to it to define it clearly like lolita, so maybe there's not much to say beyond the fact it combines dark and grotesque themes with cute themes, and you just have to get a good "feel" for this style to pull it off well rather than follow specific guidelines and definitions.
It's a good video though, StyleOutThere are really good at what they do when they cover Japanese fashion styles and imo this one was just as on point as their other videos.

[Anonymous No.9778054]

>>9777967
>there's not enough to it to define it clearly like lolita

To be really fair though, Lolita rules were made by Western girls, I don't think the Japanese ever properly defined it, which is why every now and again some brand will release something, like a mermaid skirt or a floor-length dress, and then the lolita general kind of loses its shit for a little while arguing whether it counts as lolita. Generally Japanese fashion is very fluid and you just kind of pick it up as you go along, or maybe make things up and if you have enough social media followers then certain things you put together will catch on and become trendy enough to be its own substyle.

(and to be fair to the Western girls, they had to define it in some way, egl comm of old dealt with a lot of shitty Chinese "costumes", western "sexy lolita" costumes, girls wearing normie shit that "reminds them of lolita", wannabe "lifestyle" "lolitas at heart", people who equate lolita with "special snowflake homemade" (not even talking about homemade itas, some grown woman once posted stuffed unicorns to the lolita group because "lolita"), and we're not even counting the cosplayer itas who prioritise a wig first, because at least they're kind of making an effort at proper lolita. Just explaining that western girls basically had to make up the rules as they go along to kick the weirdoes out.)

[Anonymous No.9778074]

>mods deleting posts with opinions they don't agree with

Shocking

[Anonymous No.9778273]

>>9778074
Telling people to die is not an opinion.

[Anonymous No.9778279]

>>9778273
Never been a reason to get your post deleted on 4chan though.

[Anonymous No.9778309]

>>9778273
My post that said I agree that it's a magnet for cringy tumblrinas got deleted for no reason.

[Anonymous No.9778325]

>>9778309
I mean, it's not really conductive or useful to enter a thread for a topic you already dislike just to talk about the subjective, personal reasons for your dislike.
If some sperg jumped into Lolita general threads to call the fashion dd/lg and ageplay tumblrina trash, half of you would probably want them gone.

[Anonymous No.9778334]

>>9778325
People are allowed to share their opinions, the difference between me saying something along the lines of "yeah i don't like it but I never say it because cringe people crawl out of the woodwork to complain" is one is clearly bait while the other has actual reasoning behind it. Next time find something actually comparable because as is you just look like an idiot.

[Anonymous No.9778336]

>>9778334
You could've taken it to the unpopular opinions thread instead of whining that your shitposting was removed.
Or, I guess you can keep crying and calling everyone idiots for explaining basic logic.

[Anonymous No.9778340]

I mostly like menhera but the wraps around the arm that are meant to be like hiding cutting scars seems to be in very bad taste. Why is that a thing? How do you feel about people who don't have mental health issues doing menhera?

[Anonymous No.9778346]

>>9778340
This is why it comes off as tumblr/munchie esque when part of your aesthetic is pretending to have illnesses you do not have.

[Anonymous No.9778347]

>>9778336
Judging by the responses that were deleted it's not actually an unpopular opinion. Calm down. Reactions like yours is why people think menhera is filled with hysterical tumblrites who can't handle conflicting opinions.

[Anonymous No.9778351]

>>9778347
I'm not the one who started slinging insults, anon. All of two posts were deleted, chill out.
For someone who hates an aesthetic related to mental illness, you seem pretty mental and Tumblr-tier sensitive yourself.

[Anonymous No.9778354]

>>9778336
NAYRT but why can people not express how they feel about a fashion? It happens in every thread except the menhera ones where people have a fit if anything not positive is said. In the lolita threads, larme threads, fairy kei threads, etc they can all deal with it so why should you be immune?

[Anonymous No.9778355]

>>9778351
>projecting your mental illness onto others
>unironically using the "y-you too" argument

Typical of a true tumblrina.

[Anonymous No.9778361]

>>9777721
I'm not really into that trend so much, but I always thought the yami in yamikawaii came from "sickness" (病み) and not "darkness" (闇)....

[Anonymous No.9778364]

>>9778355
Why are you getting so emotionally invested in things? Just calm down and stop posting.
People in this world sometimes like things that are not to your taste, but it's all gonna be okay.

[Anonymous No.9778365]

>>9778364
More projecting.

[Anonymous No.9778366]

>>9778364
>Just calm down and stop posting

Maybe you should take your own advice.

[Anonymous No.9778370]

>>9778340
>the wraps around the arm that are meant to be like hiding cutting scars seems to be in very bad taste. Why is that a thing?
I personally haven't seen wraps like that, but I imagine it's done for the same reason someone would wear an eyepatch with other J-fash. Menhera just has more of a focus on injury and sickness. It being in bad taste is pretty subjective, though obviously it's not everyone's cup of tea.
For me, Menhera's not really that different from creepy cute or guro/gore related art and fashion. It just has an added focus on medical aesthetics and hospital-inspired imagery. If coffins, skeletons and constant references to Satanic imagery and death are acceptable, it's only a matter of time until nooses and other "dark" stuff comes into play. It's a very arbitrary line to draw IMO.
I've always liked the juxtaposition of cute, sweet imagery with dark, bitter imagery. The medical elements add in a subtext of "pure" healing (people tend to associate nurses with angels, care and pure white), blended with the not-so-pure, somewhat gruesome imagery of blood and injuries. It's another layer of duality all its own. I liked guro/nurse lolita before Menhera popped up for the same reasons.
I can see why it might be too edgy for some people, but different strokes. Junko Mizuno has been doing it for a long time without people getting angry.
>How do you feel about people who don't have mental health issues doing menhera?
I don't really care. It's not like you can tell someone has mental health issues just by looking at them. I think actually having a strong opinion on this is the same thing as being a Tumblrite who complains about "cultural appropriation" when westerners wear Wa Lolita. In the end, it's just an aesthetic. It's not that big a deal.

[Anonymous No.9778371]

>>9778365
>>9778366

[Anonymous No.9778380]

>>9778371
Wow you sure showed me with that well thought out and eloquent response which both accurately and humorously debases my entire argument. How will I ever recover from this devastating blow?

[Anonymous No.9778381]

>>9778380
By taking a moment to compose yourself, and not offering any more (You)s. You've fallen too hard for the bait.

[Anonymous No.9778382]

>>9778381
>I-I was only pretending to be retarded
>T-twas a ruse

[Anonymous No.9778385]

>>9778382
I wasn't even the person you were responding to, but okay.
>mfw crazy bitches enter a thread to call other crazy bitches crazy bitches

[Anonymous No.9778388]

>>9778385
>I wasn't even the person you responded to

Then you're even more pathetic to enter into an argument where you are crazy enough to call people who you think are crazy crazy while they also call other people crazy.

[Anonymous No.9778389]

>>9778388
Ok

[Anonymous No.9778393]

>>9778366
>enter thread
>"This fashion is shit because it's full of hysterical Tumblrinas"
>post gets deleted
>"RUDE WTF"
>proceed to chimp out and expose yourself as the exact type of hysterical person you were complaining about
rip

[Anonymous No.9778398]

>>9778340
Are you talking about the wraps featured on the artwork? The video didn't delve much into that Menhera-chan is a cutter. Otherwise, if you're talking about arm warmers then it would be a mistake to think people wear arm warmers to give off the idea they are hiding cutting scars or marks. Regardless, I don't know that 'bad taste' can be applied to one particular aspect. As far as people without mental illness, they can wear it because they're human. Who hasn't experienced negativity: the death of a loved one, struggles with addiction, heartbreak, bullying, loneliness, and so much more. Ill emotion is not limited to the mentally ill so all can find some relation.

[Anonymous No.9778416]

>>9778393
You are doing a whole lot of projecting if you think me expressing a simple opinion that doesn't align with yours is "chimping out"

[Anonymous No.9778422]

>>9778416
Are you the one who's post got deleted? I don't suppose one can have a vendetta toward a fashion style, but the moderators might possibly be tired of every thread for the fashion devolving into a fight. Also, if it was stated people come out of the woodwork, it could've been taken as targeting individuals which would fall into vendetta.

I'm not picking on you... Everyone else is guilty for dragging it out too. This is why there is never a good thread. Everyone's too busy playing civil police to talk about the clothing. Some people don't like the fashion. They're allowed to dislike it...

I thought it was a good video. It will forever crack me up how weird people get about syringe necklaces.

[Anonymous No.9778425]

I just wanted to say, I posted one of the things that got deleted and honestly, fair enough, I could have taken it to unpopular opinions and will next time. Other anon who is raging needs to chill the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.9778445]

>>9778422
How the actual fuck is someone saying people come out of the woodwork to talk about something a vendetta? What are you smoking?

[Anonymous No.9778451]

>>9778054
Mte. You could make rules for menhera the way they have done for lolita, if it was necessary. You can do that to any subculture or fashion.

[Anonymous No.9778453]

>>9778445
Read >>9778425. Calm your shit. No one's bullying you.

[Anonymous No.9778463]

>>9778054
It actually has been definied in both the GLB and books, but it’s not as strict as “These are the rules which you most follow!” It’s more like Lolita looks like this and we wear this and that.
Also some rules like for example the ‘you must wear a blouse’-one aren’t really Lolita rules but is a cultural thing instead. But some of those things that seem logical for them, are not common to us so you get those rules. We indeed also needed them to get all the bad stuff out. I think the same happened or needs to happen for other styles. I do wonder why, why do we need rules to see the differenece betwee yami kawaii, creepy Cute and Pastelgoth.

[Anonymous No.9778466]

>>9778453
I didn't say anyone was bullying me? where the fuck did you get that from?

[Anonymous No.9778469]

>>9778361
It does come from sickness but then yumekawaii started to contain the sickness elements, too (Ichigo Rinahamu is to blame for this), and yamikawaii started to seperate itself more with also using the meaning of the 闇 spelling.

[Anonymous No.9778470]

>>9778445
>>9778466
I did not mean for what I said to turn into a fight. Please, don't think that was my intention. I was only stating the reason(s) a moderator may, according to the sticky, choose to delete a post.

[Anonymous No.9778471]

>>9778470
It's not a "fight" I'm just genuinely baffled on how you could be so retarded you think using the phrase "coming out of the woodwork" could possibly be construed as a vendetta. Like, it makes so little sense I can only assume you're on drugs.

[Anonymous No.9778472]

>>9778463
>why do we need rules to see the differenece betwee yami kawaii, creepy Cute and Pastelgoth.
That doesn't need "rules" as that's not how fashion works, you can't just follow a step-by-step guide and your outfit will magically look good - it only will make people look copy+paste and there are plenty of articles explaining the motifs of each.

[Anonymous No.9778474]

>>9778463
But Kera has "defined" lots of "fashions/subcultures" in that way when really they were just passing trends.
And when for example Mana gives an explanation of lolita, it's different from the explanation of Mariko Suzuki, which is different from Takemoto's idea of lolita and so on.

[Anonymous No.9778480]

>>9778463
I guess it can be confusing to people when so many different themes overlap between different styles. It can be confusing when all three can feature blood, gore, darkness, the occult, and pastel. I'd say the only thing unique that yamikawaii has going is the medical and depressive imagery paired with cuteness. >>9777898 would be under the thought it was hospital aesthetic, but is that hospital theme physical or mental? I'd imagine that physical illness would cross over because of the mindset one with physical illness might experience. It could be argued that is lost when the focus is on the aesthetic of a hospital itself without the mentality of uselessness, anguish, or hardship the physically ill might experience. There's medical goth, but that would seem to be focused on mostly anatomical imagery and antiquated medical devices with lots of gold, silver, sepia, black, and red. I guess there's nowhere else, right now, that a pastel medical-focused fashion would fit.

I feel pretty uncomfortable trying to create a 'rule book', and tend to just share photography showing how diverse the fashion can be. It is complicated. I don't know that it would be right to have some 'rule book of yamikawaii/menhera'. I'm just rambling though so take what I say with a grain of salt.

[Anonymous No.9778513]

>>9778466
Your needlessly aggro behavior and insults thrown at everyone ever over basically nothing.
>inb4 "y-y-you're projecting!!!1"
If this is how you act when you're very happy and calm, you may actually need to seek help.

[Anonymous No.9778530]

>>9778480
I've seen people in the threads claim the "rule" for the style is having baggy shirts with guro art on them.
That's obviously not concrete, but it doesn't stop a few of them from getting very triggered if they see a coord that doesn't follow that rule.

[Anonymous No.9778532]

>>9778513
Stop projecting.

[Anonymous No.9778535]

>>9778532
Yup, just as I said. This is probably why your posts keep getting deleted.

[Anonymous No.9778537]

>>9778535
>doesn't understand what a joke is.

Here I'll explain it for you. You said "inb4 you're projecting" and I, being a lazy bitch, respond "stop projecting" because you just said not to. It's a real head scratcher, I know, but hopefully you can follow along with a play by play :)

[Anonymous No.9778545]

>>9778537
Calm down.

[Anonymous No.9778546]

>>9778545
Stop projecting.

[Anonymous No.9778568]

>>9778530
Yeah, the last thread turned into a circus. They weren't 'triggered'. There were those taking it to the extreme for the purpose of trolling the thread.

[Anonymous No.9778573]

>>9778530
That's not a rule tho rather than logic, without a print something simply can't be part of a fashion that is defined by prints.

[Anonymous No.9778583]

>>9778340
Obviously, you're not a cutter.
I used to wear arm warmers all the time to hide them.
Nothing in poor taste anon, it's a real life thing.

[Anonymous No.9778584]

>>9778583
Dude, I literally am a cutter. It's precisely because it's a real life thing that I find it in bad taste.

[Anonymous No.9778591]

>>9778584
Would it better for you if everyone proudly shoved their scars into everyone's face?

[Anonymous No.9778593]

>people try and defend menhera not being a tumblr fashion
>discussion about cutting yourself ensues

Hmm.

[Anonymous No.9778594]

>>9778584
Good for you then. I guess you're still pretty good at being a victim.
So what if other cutters hide their scars?

[Anonymous No.9778595]

>>9778593
Menhera is about bringing mental health concerns out of the hush, so yes we're talking about it. Go back to the hole you crawled out of.

[Anonymous No.9778597]

>>9778595
You know i've had someone argue with me in a menhera thread that it has nothing to do with mental illness or cutting yourself. So can you crazies make up your mind on that?

[Anonymous No.9778602]

>>9778591
>>9778594
What, no? I hide mine, I don't want anyone's judgement or pity. It's just the people who aren't cutters hiding bits of their arms to look like they are cutters that seems really weird and tumblriffic to me. I just don't see why anyone would want to look like they're cutting themselves. If genuine cutters are using menhera to feel less gross about themselves and accept their scars or whatever, then more power to them. My conflicted feelings are all about fakers and the romanticization of mental health issues.

[Anonymous No.9778604]

>>9778591
>>9778594
Are you retarded? They're saying that it's in poor taste to use fashion accessories to emulate a person concealing self harm scars, not that people with scars shouldn't be allowed to cover them. I'm in agreement, but by that sentiment, couldn't it also be considered inappropriate for a person with both eyes to wear an eye patch as an accessory?
Really though, it's sort of pointless to examine what is and isn't 'tasteful' in a fashion that features prints of girls being strangled to death and the like.

[Anonymous No.9778605]

>>9778595
>>9778594
>>9778591
Wow you menheras are saltier and angrier than lolitas.

[Anonymous No.9778608]

>>9778597
The theme of cutting can be presented in the fashion. The theme of (clinical) mental illness can be present in the fashion. However, some may wear the fashion without alluding to either of those depending on what they pick. Again, heartbreak, sadness, and a wealth of negativity not associated with outright mental illness and/or cutting are applicable. It's very broad.

[Anonymous No.9778613]

>>9778605
>menheras
Oh, no... anon. What are you doing? Ah, people wearing the fashion don't refer to themselves as 'menheras' just like people wearing fairy-kei wouldn't call themselves 'fairies'. People who wear lolita just happen to call themselves 'lolitas'.

[Anonymous No.9778615]

>>9778608
Probably the best explaination I've seen so far anon, thanks

[Anonymous No.9778616]

>>9778613
Anon, stop replying to trolls.

[Anonymous No.9778622]

>>9778616
I usually don't, but you had to laugh at least a little bit when you saw 'menheras'. Do not deny it.

[Anonymous No.9778623]

>>9778615
It can get confusing.

[Anonymous No.9778629]

>>9778602
Is it really an issue to symbolise it? I don't see the problem.
Faking any self harm for attention is stupid tryhard trash, but if there's anything menhera is about, it's symbolism.

[Anonymous No.9778729]

>>9778608
Shut up crazy.

[Anonymous No.9778758]

>>9778729
Try to explain it better, fggt

[Anonymous No.9778805]

>>9778758
Mentally ill girls looking for attention cut themselves and use it as a fashion accessory or use other themes that turn more severe mental illness into a fetish.

Might I suggest overdose kei? It's where you shoot up so much heroin you die and it gives this really cool grunge look to your corpse. I bet it'll get a TON of likes on tumblr.

[Anonymous No.9778826]

>>9778805

[Anonymous No.9778830]

>>9778826
Oh no, I'm shaking in my boots. Whatever shall i do? ;____;

But you do know it's against the rules to announce a report right?

[Anonymous No.9778838]

>>9778830
That's just anon spoonfeeding and showing people how

[Anonymous No.9778845]

>>9778838
This doesn't even work as a joke. Disappointing, kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.9778871]

>>9778845

[Anonymous No.9778874]

>>9778871
You know someone is mad AF when they only respond with reaction images and can't actually think of something to say

[Anonymous No.9778878]

>>9778845
Holy shit anon you are triggered.
Go back to your safe space

[Anonymous No.9778881]

>>9778878
See, this doesn't work when I'm the one that's been complaining about tumblr for the whole thread.

[Anonymous No.9778883]

>>9778583
Not every person wears arm warmers to hide scars. Plenty of people use hoodies as a hiding method. But there are also plenty of people who wear these items because they simply like how they look with the rest of their outfit.

[Anonymous No.9778885]

It'd be nice if we could have a thread that didn't turn into a flame war. It's almost as if the thread topic is so upsetting that people would rather see the entire thread deleted for global rule #2, not that said rule is enforced very often, instead of hiding it in the catalog.

[Anonymous No.9778887]

>>9778885
Kys

[Anonymous No.9778889]

menhera threads need to go back to tumblr

[Anonymous No.9778891]

>>9778885
Throwing temper tantrums to get rid of a thread is almost the norm here. So I'm not surprised. People who genuinely want to have a civil discussion about menhera are better off making a group on Facebook or Amino and posting there, instead of dealing with the constant shit flinging fest these threads turn into often.

[Anonymous No.9778903]

>>9778471
>its not a fight
>goes on to call them retarded
Its like you want a fight

[Anonymous No.9778905]

>>9778903
This is 4chan. Calling people retarded here is nothing new nor anything to raise an eyebrow at. But I can see how you don't understand this being that you're such a newfag.

[Anonymous No.9778911]

>>9778881
Quit acting like this isn't the safespace for people like you to complain about people you can't elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.9778912]

>>9778805
>Might I suggest overdose kei? It's where you shoot up so much heroin you die and it gives this really cool grunge look to your corpse
Did you miss when this literally happened in the 90s?

[Anonymous No.9778914]

>>9778912
They were born in 2005, cut them some slack.

[Anonymous No.9778916]

>>9778912
That's... that's the joke... It's okay. You were really close! I'm impressed, usually retarded people can't think that far back.

>>9778911
>>>/tumblr/

[Anonymous No.9778917]

>>9778602
I had to quit a job once because the manager didn't like that I had scars on my arms. She insisted I hide them or be written up so I just walked out.

But I don't care if other people play pretend while wearing menhera as if they cut their wrists but don't actually. Fuck. I'm happy they don't actually cut.

This is a personal problem for you.

[Anonymous No.9778918]

>>9778916
Your joke is dated. Get new material, jackball.

[Anonymous No.9778919]

>>9778917
I honestly think more of you should start cutting yourselves if you really want to cement menhera as a memorable fashion and not just some flash in the pan edgy fairy kei ripoff.

People remember cutforbeiber, they'll remember you too.

[Anonymous No.9778922]

>>9778918
>people get upset thinking i don't understand my joke
>now they're upset i made the joke to begin with

Are you self diagnosed with bipolar and that's why you gravitate towards attentionseekingkei?

[Anonymous No.9778981]

>>9778530
I need a source on that shirt.

[Anonymous No.9779174]

>>9778919
Its a real thing in Japan and no one outside of cgl seems to care about this part of the fashion.

I don't cut myself anymore but I don't care if people emulate it now that I don't even though it had a pretty big impact on my life. That's all.

[Anonymous No.9779176]

>>9778922
I'm not self diagnosed with anything. I just thought your lame attempt at comedy stylings could definitely use some work.

Next time you make a joke, make it a good one.

[Anonymous No.9779200]

baaaaack on topic

>>9777721
I watched it, and got increasingly angrier at first (with the host insinuating that the menherachan artist must be super fucked up because of what he draws, and going all 'I don't want to exude this aura', no shit, if you're not sick yourself you prob won't get it), but the last couple of minutes went back to being okay as the host admitted she sees the appeal of having representation for mental health in a society that shuns MH discussion. the final 'oh it's asking for love' crap was a little overdone but I can appreciate the message. 4/10 the end rescued it
also I never really knew Kuua and she's absolutely fucking adorable and I want to be her when I grow up

>>9777967
don't lie she was cute, I'm pretty sure it wasn't trying to be a lolita coord but more a generic 'tiny fragile girl under piles of frill' type of thing.

[Anonymous No.9779207]

>>9779200
Oh she is cute, I meant that I was bothered by it at first but then it became quite obvious that she's going for
>'tiny fragile girl under piles of frill' type of thing
this exactly, rather than lolita.
I hope she's getting treatment, carrying suicidal feelings with you and dealing with them on your own is super difficult and all the frilly clothing and cat cafes won't help you.
>t. someone who knows

[Anonymous No.9779222]

>>9778370
I appreciate you anon, this is exactly my take on it too. As long as the person wearing menhera is minding their own business, it's not really hurting anyone else anyways. We all use fashion to express ourselves and this just happens to be about a different feeling and aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.9779276]

What was the models name? Does she have social media? Thanks!

[Anonymous No.9779402]

>>9779276
The suicidal girl? Her name is Hanayo, she's on twitter but apparently her profile is private now, possibly because of this exposure. Poor girl, I hope she's alright.

[Anonymous No.9779411]

>>9778981
It's from the "Fate/Grand Order 2nd Anniversary Festival 2017" event (Lisako likes to include matching fandom stuff in her outfits), no idea how you will find that.

[Anonymous No.9779417]

>>9779200
>I never really knew Kuua and she's absolutely fucking adorable and I want to be her when I grow up

SAME
She's the cutest, love her art and outfits!

[Anonymous No.9782826]

I admit I thought the “asking for love through your aesthetic” final section was pretty cringy, as was the presenter not understanding that if you’re already sick, “giving off that aura” is kind of inevitable, but expressing it in a cute way is a form of selfcare.

Also bilingual problems but I hated that they kept abruptly cutting off the Japanese voiceover of the male artist- it was really jarring. He did speak pretty slowly though so I can see why they had to.

Is there anyone else that you think they should have interviewed?

[Anonymous No.9782890]

>>9779402
anybody know her handle? i tried to look her up but i didn’t know what to search

[Anonymous No.9783009]

>>9778891
There’s a menhera amino if anyone wants to join, it’s small and inactive at the moment so more members would be very nice

[Anonymous No.9783066]

good thread

[Anonymous No.9783975]

>>9782890
Hano Hanayo but she shut down her Twitter due to sjw harassment.

>>9783009
The Menhera amino is cringe, 90% of the content posted doesn't look like Menhera but Elfgutz cosplay.

[Anonymous No.9783978]

>>9783975
Ah, seems like she did open it up again but the Twitter being closed was why most people couldn't find it.

[Anonymous No.9783985]

>>9783975
>sjw harassment
What the fuck? Did people send her hate for being suicidal or something?

[Anonymous No.9783986]

>>9783985
For romanticising mental illness.

[Anonymous No.9783994]

>>9783986
How was she romanticizing anything? She just shared her experiences. Not sure how I keep being surprised by the extent of people's stupidity and cruelty and yet here we are.

[Anonymous No.9784002]

>>9783994
Because she dresses cute, apparently but it doesn't surprise me looking at the comments section of the video (some people go as far as saying they are faking mental illness).

[Anonymous No.9784011]

>>9784002
To be fair this fashion seems more like a grab for attention than a serious way to deal with mental illness.

[Anonymous No.9784016]

>>9784011
Which partial has to do with the fact that you can't have a serious way to deal with mental illness in a country that considers it a character flaw/quirk.

[Anonymous No.9784028]

>>9784011
She wasn't wearing anything specifically menhera though, except maybe the embroidered patch that she's made. She basically wore cute frilly clothes in pink and white, and talked about her experiences with mental illness. That's it. It's related to the subject "behind" the fashion rather than the fashion itself, but either way I don't understand why people felt the need to attack her.

[Anonymous No.9784038]

>>9784011
It's just clothes. Do you call fairy kei a grab for attention? Because Menhera might as well be fairy kei with syringes, blood and guro elements.
Stop being so sensitive.

[Anonymous No.9784040]

>>9784038
Menhera is used as an expression speaking out against the treatment those with mental illness receive in japan. Fairy kek is not.

>stop being so sensitive

Irony at its finest.

[Anonymous No.9784056]

>>9784040
Some people use it that way, yes. At its core, though, it's really just a theme for clothing. There's no Menhera Society For Mental Health Advocacy, it's overpriced Japanese clothing, for fuck's sake.
And I don't think you know what irony is.

[Anonymous No.9784058]

>>9784056
>I don't think you know what irony is

Are you projecting? Because telling someone to stop being so sensitive in a thread that is discussing mental illness is pretty ironic.

[Anonymous No.9784159]

>>9784058
Are you the same person that sperged out and told people to overdose because your post got deleted earlier?
Regardless of your answer, this will be your last (You). Seek help.

[Anonymous No.9784181]

>>9784159
No. You need to calm down.

>seek help

Over two posts that were fairly tame? I think you should probably take some time to think this over and relax. Not everything is this huge argument where both parties are raging to the point that they need help. Maybe you have something else going on? 4chan probably isn't the place to discuss it but if you need a recommendation I can look up some hotlines for you.

[Anonymous No.9785080]

>>9784040
>Fairy kek
That is such a poor autocorrect error to have. You obviously type "kek" more than "kei"

[Anonymous No.9785081]

>>9784058
Lol you learned that definition of ironic from alanis morrisette

[Anonymous No.9785631]

>thread full of mentally ill people for mentally ill fashion
Kino

[Anonymous No.9785636]

>>9785080
I think they did it on purpose, like fairy kei is a joke

>>9785631
I love it

[Anonymous No.9786246]

>>9785636
>using kek ever

[Anonymous No.9787368]

Menhera spoiled a generetion of jfashion,

[Anonymous No.9787377]

>>9787368
What do you mean by spoiled?

[Anonymous No.9787382]

>>9787368
>a generation
That’s a little overdramatic, don’cha think

[Anonymous No.9787406]

>>9785080
>spot the person who doesn't understand jokes

[Anonymous No.9787550]

Is the mod of the menhera tumblr borderline? I know she browses here and has posted in this thread- so what's your deal?

You seem to hinge your entire identity on this fashion and take it way too seriously.

[Anonymous No.9787564]

>>9787550
Are you new to the tag drama or something? People are tired of the "hurdur romanticise mental illness" BS and more so that posts like this always end in some jp artists/models getting harassed over it (see Hanayo).

[Anonymous No.9787568]

>>9787564
P.S.: "I" didn't even post in this thread until you called, not everyone complaining about idiots is one of our mods.

[Anonymous No.9787612]

>>9786246
>being this new

[Anonymous No.9787661]

>>9787550
I agree that she's pretty obsessive and easily triggered, especially going off how the last threads went. She claimed to have OCD at some point, though, not BPD.

[Anonymous No.9787679]

>>9787661
arent there multiple mods though? i read that there were like three at some point.

[Anonymous No.9787681]

>>9787679
Yeah, but one of them seems to be the most vocal with her anger. I remember her being on PULL and even they got on her case for being overly pissy, but she blamed it on the language barrier.

[Anonymous No.9787690]

>>9787681
There's quite the amout of angry languages.

[Anonymous No.9787760]

>>9787690
Native french, germans and chinese always sound pissy in english.

[Anonymous No.9787763]

>>9787690
There were other German speakers on the site who weren't as salty as her, though. She really does just have a sour personality.

[Anonymous No.9787771]

>>9787763
>expecting no salt in response to salty threads
???

[Anonymous No.9787779]

>>9787550
>take it way too seriously
Not as serious as the girls that post their self-harm.

[Anonymous No.9787789]

>>9787771
That's what I mean. Even by PULL standards, her salt level was way too high and people called her out. That's how bad it is.

[Anonymous No.9787813]

>>9787789
You sound salty.

[Anonymous No.9787815]

>>9787789
Take your vendetta somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.9787828]

>>9787815
It's not vendetta, I was simply making a point. If this is you, you're (still) pretty bad at this.

[Anonymous No.9787831]

>>9787815
>multiple people posting about the reason a moderator of a blog related to the thread is so off
>"reee reeee vendetta"
Calm your shit.

[Anonymous No.9787832]

>mentally ill people fighting in a thread about a mental illness doc
/cgl/, never change

[Anonymous No.9787847]

>>9787832
>mentally ill people fighting in a thread about a mental illness doc about a fashion for mentally ill people while other people comment about the mentally ill people arguing in the mentally ill thread and slowly become mentally ill themselves if they aren't already while the mentally ill lurkers wait for a chance to swoop in and cause mentally ill drama
It never ends.

[Anonymous No.9787849]

>>9787831
What reason? Getting angry over sjw? Let's be honest, fellas. It was never a good idea to make Menhera known outside of Japan.

[Anonymous No.9788087]

>>9787406
Again.
>using kek ever

[Anonymous No.9789778]

Gonna ask here since there's no regular menhera thread
Where would be my best bet to go to find second hand menhera clothes? Mostly thinking about socks and tights, but other stuff as well.

[Anonymous No.9790562]

>>9789778
I've been thinking about this a lot too! I don't now if lace market does that or not

[Anonymous No.9790564]

>>9790562
>>9789778
Try keimarket. Lace Market is for lolita, don't post it there unless it's lolita appropriate.

[Anonymous No.9790570]

>>9790562
>>9790564
I went and looked on keimarket and I found some stuff by Cherrycheezy actually. Already sold, but still! Might keep and eye on that

[Anonymous No.9790761]

>>9788087
kek

[Anonymous No.9790788]

>>9789778
Mercari and Fril obviously but why go for secondhand? Suzuri ships international and the prices are pretty low due to being on-demand printing.

[Anonymous No.9791013]

>>9790788
Thanks, I didn't know of those sites actually
>but why go for secondhand?
For one, I'm looking for some stuff that isn't available to buy directly from the sellers anymore, and secondly I prefer secondhand because it's cheaper
Also, I haven't been around in these threads for a while, what happened to the bran Shojo kenjiyoku? Are they gone?

[Anonymous No.9791023]

>>9788087
What has this place even become

[Anonymous No.9791055]

>>9778370
>For me, Menhera's not really that different from creepy cute or guro/gore related art and fashion
I really hate how people started mingling menhera with creepy cute. Menhera is a completely different aesthetic and more of a bittersweet coping mechanism than fucking eyeball bows and skeleton stockings on babby's first edgy coord. Why do people need to just wear a shitty creepy cute coord with a syringe pendant and call it menhera? Just call it creepy cute for fucks sake.

Yeah I'm sperging the fuck over this issue because menhera isn't supposed to be some subculture of uwu gaffik guro aesthetic uwu. There's a completely different connotation to it. Not even trying to be a "these fake non cutting bitches appropriating our mental illnesses" kind of tumblrina but just being irritated over how people completely ignore where the style came from.

[Anonymous No.9791059]

>>9791013
>what happened to the bran Shojo kenjiyoku
Senanan changes her brands like underwear because she is shit at marketing, it 2.Xjigen now.
https://2xjigen.official.ec/

[Anonymous No.9791117]

>>9791055
Chill. In my case, I do have mental issues and have always used cute/dark imagery as a coping mechanism, but I also just like those things as-is. I don't drive that point home, or even enforce it as a point when explaining Menhera to outsiders, because who really gives a shit about my or anyone else's intent? No one is that special.
>a shitty creepy cute coord with a syringe pendant and call it menhera
No one said this is okay.
>Yeah I'm sperging the fuck over this issue because menhera isn't supposed to be some subculture of uwu gaffik guro aesthetic uwu
They're obviously not the same, but they do have similarities. It'd be wild to claim there's absolutely no guro involved in Menhera, or crossover with goth(ic) imagery of any sort, or any creepy cute influences whatsoever. It's not like all the Menhera-appropriate clothing released by Listen Flavor was actually some sort of unique psyop by a super sekrit mental health committee (at least, not as far as I know).
>Not even trying to be a "these fake non cutting bitches appropriating our mental illnesses" kind of tumblrina but just being irritated over how people completely ignore where the style came from.
It only makes sense that the origin takes less of a precedent since Menhera traveled overseas primarily through art, merch for a webcomic and fashion brands. If it came along through, say, forums and blogs about mental health over time, maybe it'd make sense for its origins to hold more importance.
Things naturally get lost in translation to those who don't live in a Japanese environment, as we have the social issues of ableism/mental health manifest much differently (though we may gravitate to it for similar reasons, one being repression). It won't have the same context in the west, and I don't think that's a huge deal, as long as we all "get" it in a peripheral sense.
If the origin really is that important, maybe more people should make an effort to bridge the obvious gap of context via translations.

[Anonymous No.9792251]

Some of the usual trolls try to shitpost Menhera at /fa/ now.

[Anonymous No.9792338]

>>9792251
good.

>>9791117
>who really gives a shit about my or anyone else's intent? No one is that special.
fucking this.

[Anonymous No.9792802]

>>9792338
How is it good? The posts are baiting /fa/ newfags into attacking /cgl/ for fetishising mental illness.

[Anonymous No.9792973]

>>9792802
Yeah? good. Fuck this board. Bunch of cunts.

[Anonymous No.9792984]

>>9792973
>fuck this board
>still posts on it

[Anonymous No.9792990]

>>9792984
>responding with an image macro
You probably think you're living out your last LiveJournal EGL days on here you fucking fag monger.

[Anonymous No.9792996]

>>9792990
anon pls take those dicks out of your mouth and keyboard, I can't understand what you're saying!

[Anonymous No.9793232]

>>9792996
>take those dicks out of your mouth and keyboard
That doesn't make much sense either. You can't put a dick in a keyboard, stupid. Only on one.

I'm sure you think you're hilarious though.

Here, have a meme you mindless prick. What a drain on society it is to have people like you wasting space.