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>>11994079
>Every large scale vegetables farm requires total culling of all living things from insect size to deer size
Me? I'm the gopher man. Gophers, ground squirrels, woodchucks, prairie dogs....you name it, I'm the guy they call.

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>>11867746
>I really cannot fathom how backwards your mind has to be to think an agricultural system comprised only of growing PLANTS is somehow less green than one that fast forwards the life cycles of billions of livestock animals per year.

Easy. Both factory farming of animals, and industrial crop production are unustainable because they depend on a huge amount of industry. Meat production has the obvious problems we have already discussed. Industrial ag is dependant on massive amounts of chemical fertilizers, pesticides, and other things (like the gopher gasser pictured here).

Small-scale traditional ag breaks that cycle. You raise mostly crops with a small number of animals on the same site. The animals provide pest control and fertilizer. The leftovers from the crops which humans cannot eat are fed to the animals. This is a closed-loop system which does not require chemicals of any sort, and it's how humanity fed itself until relatively recently in our history.

Meat is not the enemy. Industry is.

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>>11742390
Everybody prefers murder-for-hire, especially vegans.

You think they gas their own gophers? Nosirre, they hire me, the gopher gasser. I'll come right over to your farm and kill all those little fuckers who are eating your crops. Watch me pump the smoke down there and kill 'em all. It's just like a mobile nazi gas van. Oh don't worry, it counts as "organic" too.

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>>11674157
so get your eggs from a local person who doesn't kill the male chicks.

And even if they kill male chicks, so what? You think a farmer who grows vegetables or grain doesn't kill moles, gophers, pest birds, rats, mice, etc, that eat his crops and raid the storehouse? Avoiding eggs doesn't avoid killing.

Ever seen pic related? This is how farmers keep gophers and other burrowing rodents out of their fields. It pumps engine exhaust into their tunnels, gassing them. There is no escaping animal deaths when you are buying groceries. None.

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>>11193639
I'm not denying that veganism reduces suffering. I'm claiming that it is absurd to say that a vegan "doesn't contribute to the suffering and murder...". they certainly do, just to a lesser degree.

And as for your little quote, it is ENTIRELY possible to go off the grid and reduce your dependence on things that cause environmental harm, like electricity, synthetic clothing, computers and electronics, etc.

How can you claim that you are excluding things "as far as is possible" when there are clearly things you still cling to that result in animal deaths? It sounds to me like you should rephrase your greentext to:

>>Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude harming animals as long as it doesn't interfere with virtue signaling or the comforts of modern life

Ever seen pic related? Commonly spotted at "vegan" farms. What is it, you ask? A machine that gasses gophers, moles, and ground squirrels by pumping exhaust into the ground. You have blood on your hands too.

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>>11136849
>No it doesn't.
Sure it does. Animals displaced for farm fields. Animals poisoned by herbicides and pesticides. Animals crushed by farm machinery. Animals poisoned to keep them from eating grain and crops in storage. Fertilizer runoff causes algae blooms and fish kills. The simple act of trucking produce around the world so you can eat vegan during the winter causes massive pollution.

Ever seen a gopher gasser? Pic related. This is what farmers use to stop gophers from eating root vegetables. It's like a portable holocaust for farm fields. It takes the exhaust from the little engine onboard, pressurizes it, and pumps it into the ground to kill gophers, moles, voles, and other little cuddly animals that live in fields. It's the vegan version of Hitler's gas vans. No joke. But hey, at least you're not killing a cow, right?

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>>11080606
What does your silly post have to do with the question at hand? It's a contrived question, it's not meant to be accurate.

Your post did a great job explaining how a specific paper had questionable methodology. that's nice. The problem is that it didn't do or say anything else.

What do vegans think about pic related, for example? I mean, you can't really come up with a more obvious example of animals being killed for farming crops. I mean, this is a straight-up murder machine. I wonder why veganboy didn't discuss this, hmm?

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>>11024559
the same thing they do with vermin in farm fields and storehouses: they kill them with poison.

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>>10958712
None of those are true though.

For many vital nutrients animal sources are more available. As for ecological effects, there's nothing environmentally friendly about a diet that depends on a massive fleet of smoke-belching trucks and ships to bring you food out of season. A local diet which contains meat is far more eco friendly than a vegan one. As for ethics, there's no escaping the animal murder game, even for vegans. Pic very related.

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>>10933142
Agreed that Industrial meat is awful, but you don't have to avoid ALL meat just to avoid industrial meat.

And let's face it, Industrial produce isn't much better....from all perspectives, really: taste, nutrition, and environmental harm. Even animal deaths (pic related).

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>>10855429
>A simple obvious truth.
It's not true at all. If you're buying normal supermarket products you're still feeding the exact same industrial complex.

>> Sourcing ethically raised meat is a lot of effort
Nonsense. It's even easier than posting propaganda online. Pick up the internet appliance of your choice and order it online. Takes just a few seconds. And while you're at it, seek out some heritage produce. The problem of ethics isn't limited to meat.

>veganism can also just be the lazy way out of doing so.
From a mental perspective, yes. It's much easier to dump everything in the same bucket than it is to evaluate everything, plant-based foods included, on a case-by-case basis.

Pic related.

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