/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>10761350
What does an all liquid diet do to a man's shit?

>>10761353
It becomes silky smooth.

been drinking 2 huels a day for the last 3 days
got $150 worth

>>10761350
i'm sure there are a few gays lurking in the shadows

Does it have soy or estrogenic shit in it? Looks good if not desu

>>10761393
its not soy, its oats!

Is he /ourguy/?

>>10761400
squats and oats? in a can?
i don't believe it

>>10761407
was gonna post based huell with his based sagittal crest

>>10761414
the ingredients oats, peas, coconut, sunflower seeds, flax seeds, and rice
fortified with vitamins and minerals

>>10761350
Based.

>>10761480
>flax seeds

they have even more estrogen than soy

>>10761393
>soy is estrogenic shit
lmao the absolute state of disinformation on the internet

>More speculative evidence indicates that soyfoods, because they contain isoflavones, help reduce risk of prostate cancer. Finally, there is no meaningful clinical evidence that suggests soy protein lowers serum testosterone levels or exerts any estrogen-like or feminizing effects in men.

>>10761819
>the internet
soy being bad for you is taught in nutrition classes at accredited universities, it isn't some internet rumor its a medical fact that has been known for a very long time

>>10761381

but does huel allow me to throw away several bottles of plastic away daily?

>>10761833

show me a study pls

Reminder that China stopped importing most of the world's plastic. You buy Huel, you introduce more microplastics into the environment.

>>10761848
bruh, there have been tremendous publications about this since before I first learned it 12 years ago

soy is a major cash crop for the united states, there is a soy lobby that tries REALLY fucking hard to push soy as a health food. The same people telling you HFCS is healthy are the ones saying soy is healthy
any independent studies not being funded by someone with their hand in the cookie jar draws the same conclusions
soy consumption is one of the major reasons breast cancer has become such a wide spread issue to recently
medical experts all agree the only people who have any business consuming soy* are post menopausal women

*unfermented

>>10761856
but huel is made in canada

>>10761874
>there have been tremendous publications
>posts none
>believe me, they're really tremendous, ok?

>>10761874

>ask to post study
>"THERE ARE TREMENDOUS PUBLICATIONS"
>doesnt post a single study

top kek m8. learn to debate before coming here again.

>>10761916
>>10762357
>dogs have a very acute sense of smell
>POST PROOF!
that's what you're doing right now

>>10761350
RIGHT HERE BROTHER !

HUEL BOYS

all you idiots who think huel is for s*yboys and twinks are dumb as fuck /pol/ fags
pic related is me and i live off of huel

>>10762389
>instead of admitting i'm retarded, i'll double down, ok?

>>10762389

Not really; pretty easy to find a study that supports the claim that dogs can smell good. However show me a study that supports your idea that soy is awful for you. There are tremendous studies right? You should be able to just quickly google a study right?

>>10761833
Tofu, soymilk, miso, tempeh, edamame—these and other soy products, including the soybeans themselves, are high in nutrients you tend to associate with other legumes, including fiber, iron, magnesium, potassium, protein, and zinc.

Soybeans naturally contain a class of phytoestrogens called isoflavones. People hear the word “estrogen” in the word “phytoestrogens” and assume that means soy has estrogen-like effects. Not necessarily. Estrogen has positive effects in some tissues and potentially negative effects in others. For example, high levels of estrogen can be good for the bones but can increase the likelihood of developing breast cancer. Ideally, you’d like what’s called a “selective estrogen receptor modulator” in your body that would have proestrogenic effects in some tissues and antiestrogenic effects in others. Well, that’s what soy phytoestrogens appear to be. Soy seems to lower breast cancer risk, an antiestrogenic effect, but can also help reduce menopausal hot-flash symptoms, a proestrogenic effect. So, by eating soy, you may be able to enjoy the best of both worlds.

>>10763276
What about soy for women with breast cancer? Overall, researchers have found that women diagnosed with breast cancer who ate the most soy lived significantly longer and had a significantly lower risk of breast cancer recurrence than those who ate less. The quantity of phytoestrogens found in just a single cup of soymilk may reduce the risk of breast cancer returning by 25 percent. The improvement in survival for those eating more soy foods was found both in women whose tumors were responsive to estrogen (estrogen-receptor positive breast cancer) and those whose tumors were not (estrogen-receptor negative breast cancer). This also held true for both young women and older women. In one study, for example, 90 percent of the breast cancer patients who ate the most soy phytoestrogens after diagnosis were still alive five years later, while half of those who ate little to no soy were dead.

>>10763283
Soy consumption has also been shown to benefit our kidneys, which appear to handle plant protein very differently from animal protein. Within hours of eating meat, our kidneys rev up into hyperfiltration mode. But, an equivalent amount of plant protein causes virtually no noticeable stress on the kidneys. Eat some tuna, and within three hours, your kidney filtration rate can shoot up 36 percent. But eating the same amount of protein in the form of tofu doesn’t appear to place any additional strain on the kidneys.

-NUTRITIONFACTS.ORG

>>10761874
can I cite this post for my doctoral thesis?

>>10762357
Creative kids are fucking racists

>>10763295
All the better.

>>10763286
What evidence is there to suggest a little extra kidney stress is actually bad for anyone but those with kidney problems? I would be much less healthy if I avoided all stressors.

>>10763337
The less stress you put your pool filter through, the longer it'll keep your pool clean. Treat it nicely and theoretically it can outlast you. I'd say the same principle can be applied to your kidneys.

>>10763353
Not driving my car will make it last longer but not going to the gym and instead lying in bed all day is not going to have the same effect on me.

i like huel, i think it tastes great. But it makes me have like sludge shit for a day if i dont drink it consistently for breakfast.... that beingg said i think its gr eat if you are trying to maintain weight or bulk.

>>10761393
no, it's made with brown rice and pea protein to form complete amino acids. it's basically for vegans.

>>10763367
Your muscles regenerate stronger than they were before. This is more analogous to the enamel on your teeth. Take care of it, it'll stay. Neglect it, you expose your dentin and now you're in... hot water. ba dum tshhh

>start Huel with 2 shakes a day
>digests amazingly
>supply runs out after 3 weeks
>restock after a couple weeks
>now get insane bloating and cramps with diarrhea about 4 hours after every shake

dafuq guys

>>10763384
Why do you think that is the case?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1262767/

>>10761874
>soy consumption is one of the major reasons breast cancer has become such a wide spread issue to recently

Soyfoods have become controversial in recent years,…even among health professionals,…exacerbated by misinformation found on the Internet.” Chief among the misconceptions is that soy foods promote breast cancer, because they contain a class of phytoestrogen compounds called isoflavones. Since estrogens can promote breast cancer growth, it’s natural to assume phytoestrogens might too.

But, people don’t realize there are two types of estrogen receptors in the body—alpha and beta. And, unlike actual estrogen, soy phytoestrogens “preferentially bind to and activate [estrogen receptor beta]. This distinction is important, because the 2 [types of receptors] have different tissue distributions…and often function differently, and sometimes in opposite ways.” And, this appears to be the case in the breast, where beta activation has an anti-estrogenic effect, inhibiting the growth-promoting effects of actual estrogen—something we’ve known for more than ten years. There’s no excuse anymore.

The effects of estradiol, the primary human estrogen, on breast cells are completely opposite to those of soy phytoestrogens, which have antiproliferative effects on breast cancer cells, even at the low concentrations one gets in one’s bloodstream eating just a few servings of soy—which makes sense, given that after eating a cup of soybeans, the levels in our blood cause significant beta receptor activation.

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>>10763393
So, where did this outdated notion that soy could increase breast cancer risk come from? The concern was “based largely on research that showed that [the main soy phytoestrogen] genistein stimulates the growth of mammary tumors in [a type of] mouse.” But, it turns out, we’re not actually mice. We metabolize soy isoflavones very differently from rodents. The same soy leads to 20 to 150 times higher levels in the bloodstream of rodents. The breast cancer mouse in question was 58 times higher. So, if you ate 58 cups of soybeans a day, you could get some significant alpha activation, too. But, thankfully, we’re not hairless athymic ovariectomized mice, and we don’t tend to eat 58 cups of soybeans a day.

At just a few servings of soy a day, with the excess beta activation, we would assume soy would actively help prevent breast cancer. And, indeed, “[s]oy intake during childhood, adolescence, and adult life were each associated with a decreased risk of breast cancer.” Those women who ate the most soy in their youth appear to grow up to have less than half the risk.

This may help explain why breast cancer rates are so much higher here than in Asia—yet, when Asians come over to the U.S. to start eating and living like Americans, their risk shoots right up. For example, women in Connecticut—way at the top of the breast cancer risk heap—in their fifties have, like, ten times more breast cancer than women in their fifties living in Japan. But, it’s not just genetic, since when they move here, their breast cancer rates go up generation after generation, as they assimilate into our culture.

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>>10763396
Are the anti-estrogenic effects of soy foods enough to actually change the course of the disease? We didn’t know, until the first human study on soy food intake and breast cancer survival was published in 2009 in the Journal of the American Medical Association, suggesting that “[a]mong women with breast cancer, soy food consumption was significantly associated with decreased risk of death and [breast cancer] recurrence.” Followed by another study, and then another, all with similar findings.

That was enough for the American Cancer Society, who brought together a wide range of cancer experts to offer nutrition guidelines for cancer survivors, to conclude that, if anything, soy foods should be beneficial. Since then, two additional studies have been published, for a total of five, and they all point in the same direction. Five out of five, tracking more than 10,000 breast cancer patients.

Pooling all the results, soy food intake after breast cancer diagnosis was associated with reduced mortality (meaning a longer lifespan) and reduced recurrence—so, less likely the cancer comes back. Anyone who says otherwise hasn’t cracked a journal open in seven years.

And, this improved survival was for both women with estrogen receptor negative tumors and estrogen receptor positive tumors, and for both younger women, and for older women. Pass the edamame.

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>>10763402


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>>10763408
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https://nutritionfacts.org/video/is-soy-healthy-for-breast-cancer-survivors/

>>10761856
Makes 0 sense

The elder God Horlicks.

>>10762389
SEETHING

>>10761819
>>10761393
>>10761833
>>10763276
>>10763283
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11880595

>>10763441
>CONCLUSION(S):
The results of this meta-analysis suggest that neither soy foods nor isoflavone supplements alter measures of bioavailable T concentrations in men.

>Thus, studies in women have mostly been consistent with beneficial effects, although the magnitude of the effects is quite small and of uncertain significance. Only three intervention studies reported hormonal effects of soy isoflavones in men. These recent studies in men consuming soyfoods or supplements containing 40--70 mg/d of soy isoflavones showed few effects on plasma hormones or semen quality. These data do not support concerns about effects on reproductive hormones and semen quality.

>>10763441
Did you even read my posts?
> >>10763276
> >>10763283
I am in favor of soy.

>>10763452
I'm pretty sure there was a study out there that deduced soy to cause higher concentrations of semen and thus less sperm per liter.

>>10763460
saying that you're "pretty sure" there's a study that supports your viewpoint doesn't prove anything
i'm pretty sure there's a study that says everyone who thinks soy lowers testosterone levels in men likes to likc their toilet seat after they take a shit
i haven't provided any means of actually verifying that claim, so it means nothing

>>10763454
I never said you didn't

>>10763419
Now that's fucking fantastic! The thread is shitted up with arguments about Soylent and Huel, Soy, or not to soy. Evil estrogens, etc. NOW, you bring in something that needs to be mixed with cow juice! Laden with hormones and steroids and shit. We all fugged now.

Regardless of this soy bullshit, huel still has a better nutritional profile and digests well for me so I prefer it.

>>10763486
"I'm pretty sure" meaning "if my memory is correct, it's highly probable that this study is out there." You're just being an ass.

Buy Jimmy Joy instead cheaper and taste better.

>>10763460
>higher concentration of semen
>less sperm

You're going to have to clarify that contradiction.

>>10762787
>not huelies

All liquid diets are a fucking meme that will never be "The future of food".

>>10763809
We all know that, anon.

>buying this garbage instead of blending your own oat flour/milk (or s*ymilk if you are a cuck)

>>10764609
As always, cooking your own food is the best choice.

>>10764609
Retard

>>10764615
>yeah bro i just dont have time to pour 3-4 ingredients into a blender and press 2-3 buttons then pour it into a drinking vessel

>>10761350
Brazil has a soylent now?

>>10764633

but then i gotta wash it. fuck that!!

>>10761819
There is no reason to defend soy unless you are a shill for big soy, fuck off out of here forever.

>>10761393
pea protein i think

>>10761350
I've been drinking it for breakfast this week its great, I think I'm gonna order some more soon

>>10761350
I was thinking of trying this out. Had intestinal surgery several years ago, and wasn't able to eat solid food for 6+ months. Subsisted on protein and supplements like these, and even though I did miss the satisfaction of solid foods, I lost weight, and felt great.

Anyone who's tried it: is it worth it?

>>10763675
Liters of seminal fluid increase
Sperm count stays the same
More semen
Same sperm
Sperm per liter decreases from previous amount

Now kindly suck my toes you annoying pseudo intellectual

>>10765294
Can we shill for objective truth

>>10761350
Yep- I love it .
Have it for breakfast only however .
Drink it every day . Have lost over a stone and a half since Jan and feel great .

>>10763542
Now this is how an anon with B vitamins deficiency sounds, all right.

>>10761407
absolutely

>>10763413
You know it's illegal to murder people, right? Because you just straight up killed this fucking guy.

This is a great option for me as i'm not allowed to eat at the table with my wife and her bull.