/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>11050143
By using Google instead of an immature anonymous image board.

>>11050145
Google gave poor results. Plus I’d like to see the vegans try and stop me.

>>11050150
Imagine being so butthurt that you anti-vegan post.
OP is a sad little boy.

>>11050206
Imagine taking a light joke this far up your ass.

>>11050150
>Plus I’d like to see the vegans try and stop me.
kek, like that wasn't your only goal to begin with: pissing off the vegans. Giving that away on your first reply, while it's so obvious already, is really stupid.

>>11050224
My goal is to attain some dairy calves for raising veal. They were a lot easier to find in Portales, NM. Went for about $50 a head.

I’ll probably just ask my dad if he knows anyone. Might post the results on a grill in a year or less.

>>11050145
>>11050150
>Using Google and not Craiglist farm+garden
Plus free range veal isn't ideal meat plus calves are squirmy. You're definitely going to want a pen. It doesn't have to be tiny in fact it should have a little walking room, but yeah. Have you considered how you're going to feed it? A calf broke to the bucket still needs about a gallon of milk a day 1/2 in the morning 1/2 in the evening. Preferably un processed.

>>11051847
I wouldn’t give them an entire acre or anything. Maybe a 20x20 pen. I plan on weaning immediately, anyway, but I’m not sure what the right age should be. Supposedly the rumen should be able to handle it by three weeks. Some people wean at eight weeks, others don’t until three months of age.
I need calves to train a roping horse on anyway. I just figured I may as well make veal with them since dairy calves don’t resell well.

>>11052234
If you're going to work them like that veal isn't ideal. Steer em off and butcher them at about 2 years old as a young beef cow. Jerseys are easy keepers although they're kinda small for roping maybe. If you keep your eyes peeled you can find calves that were sired by beef bulls or his semen occasionally. Pure bred Holstein are biggest dairy breed but they don't always get very stocky.

>>11050143
find a farm that sells raw dairy, a lot of the time they sell calves as well

>>11050224
the only reason vegans post is to piss off regular people so...

>>11052259
I don’t know about raising Holsteins that long because they grow more frame than bulk, but Jerseys... could it work? I wouldn’t start roping them until they’re at least 150 pounds, anyways.

Oh my goodness. Look at these beauties. What a deal.
I wouldn’t rope these fuckers because they’ll trot at most. But goddamn.

>>11052307
Yeah jersies turn into short little fat chodes. Perfect size for a small butcher. A 50/50 jersey Holstein mix should be the best of both worlds. Don't know why I didn't mention it before. Here's my fat lil Oreo, just had a calf, good milker mutt cows are my favorite

>>11052383
That sounds like an ideal mix for milking cattle. Lots of butterfat, lots of milk, too.

>>11052403
Yeah and they don't eat as much as a pure bred Holstein.

>>11050143
>Free range
>Veal

Pick one, retardo. Veal is supposed to be kept from moving around so it doesn't get lean. Plus then you reach maximum edgelord status, purely by raising veal properly

>>11053737
It’s literally a baby animal. They don’t need preventive measures to get any chunkier.

>>11050143
>Dairy
>calves
>But for veal
An elaborate troll attempt op
I nearly fell for it

>>11054354
What the fuck do you think the dairy industry does with all the surplus calves?

>>11054354
Seriously, are vegans this retarded

>>11054354
Beef calves are raised for beef. Dairy calves are raised for veal.

>>11054535
I'm not vegan but apparently I am this dumb
At least I learnt something today

>>11054605
Are you sure or did you have another reason you thought I was trolling?

>>11050143
where can i buy some hard working black guys?

>>11055530
The Congo.

>>11050143
How much does a calf cost?

>>11057062
$50-$150 for a dairy calf depending on local market factors and breed

How much for half a calf?

>>11057088
Huh. I would have thought they are more expensive. How costly are they to feed?

>>11057094
That is called a decaf. They have orange collars. Same price, but what is the point? Just get full calf.

>>11057095
Well dairy bulls are like an expense to dairies because of A.I. yet 50% of all births will be male so there's a built in supply and a dwindling demand as veal is not popular in the states.

If they aren't weaned off milk yet thatll add up quick see >>11051847. After that you'll want to buy them some nice alfalfa bails and those go for $15-20 a bail should last about a week a little longer when they're younger a little less long when they're big. For max rate of gain you can do a corn mix supplement $13 for a 50 lb bag you'll want to feed at least two big coffee cans of that a day and increase as animal grows. I haven't fed grain in a while so I'm a little fuzzy on how long the 50 lb will last probably at least a week if not more. Now calculate this over the number of weeks you intend to raise the animal before you butcher it.

>>11057094
Half-a-calf, why have half-a-calf?

>>11057203
Dude... I think I may get a pet cow. Raise it like a dog and make a buddy out of it. Not for food or anything. Paul Bunyan shit only. I have land and time. Why not?

>all these no-calves losers
Shouldn't have skipped leg day, fignuts.

>>11057251
Steer it off or they get real cranky. And they're already so big that they could actually accidentally kill you and not even mean to. Like they just thought they were rough housing with their bro and but they ruptured your spleen. It's even an issue with females sometimes especially when they go into heat they'll get randy and playful but they don't understand that they're two tons and you're 160 lbs or whatever.

>>11057277
I am 6' 6" and an ex prize fighter. I will be careful though. Lookng into it. A little more expensive around here.

So how do you get them to produce milk continuously?

>>11057284
>Prize fighter with a pet bull

>>11050233
>They were a lot easier to find in Portales, NM. Went for about $50 a head.
you're full of shit. dairy calves are way more expensive than that.

>>11050143
craigslist

>>11057378
I am on my way to get him. 300 bucks.

>>11057404
You can easily look up the price of cattle online. Newspapers print weekly averages for local auctions too. Note that the prices (for the US market anyway) are usually given in cwt (hundredweight), which is the price per 100 lbs.

For example, here's one from my area:
https://www.theeagle.com/landandlivestockpost/livestock_reports/livestock-report-aug/article_98d4d2e2-bd3d-5873-ad04-0df9f150b5b4.html

>>11057426
/ck/, meet my new bro King Diamond

https://flic.kr/p/261ztQk

>>11057509
He's a cute boy.

>>11057426
Good for you bro lol
Did you name him? Sounds like a registered name, might explain the premium asking price.

>>11057560
hahaha. I named him. Look up the band king diamond. He is an angus steer, and I was considering naming him after angus young from ac/dc, but I am not a fan.

>>11057575
Lol oh ok yeah Angus males will go for more because there isn't a supply/demand discrepancy for males in the beef industry.

>>11057481
Can you just go to one of those auction stockyards and buy a single cow, take it home and butcher it yourself? What should you look for in the living animal in terms of getting one that will be prime instead of choice or even lower?

>>11057591
Here is another pic.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/shrevestockton/40643043514/in/photostream/

He was a show winner! He was a bit extra because I have to have him delivered this weekend. I am going to alter my barn a bit for him in the meantime. He is about 40lbs bigger than the pics. I had to get him. I had no idea they were so reasonable in price.

>>11057608
>Can you just go to one of those auction stockyards and buy a single cow, take it home and butcher it yourself?
Yes.

>>What should you look for...
Sorry, I'm not knowledgable enough to answer that.

>>11057608
Dude... I found out about the affordability of, located, purchased and named a baby cow today. Not even today... after fucking lunch. Surprisingly easy, cheap, and cool.

I am not going to eat him until he dies old and happy. I figure I will treat him like the dogs with certain cow accomodations. I am studying up on care now. Any farmanons got advice? I have pretty much cow heaven property.

>>11057655
How did you transport him? Do you have a trailer?

>>11057608
For a living steer ready to butcher you want good body confirmation, straight back, proper back leg confirmation etc. Look to make sure they are neither tilting inward nor outward and no abnormal gait. Next look at his body definition on a beef cow you want a nice broad barrel with no ribs showing front and back portions should be almost square but just slightly narrower than the wide barrel. Now that you've narrowed that down to a few good lookers check the loin area, that's the area from the last rib to the beginning of the rear leg. It forms a sort of upside down triangle be sure that this area is wide and broad with a good layer of fat over it, this is where your steaks come from. It's impossible to tell objectively who has the *best* loin from the outside so at the fair they would do an ultrasound to award the live carcass award you can get a decent idea though a helpful hint is that the biggest animal will not always have the biggest or best marbled loin.

I highly recommend that you go down to the yard shortly before the auction begins and check the back pens and find out some ones you're interested in and write down or memorize their lot number. Once the show begins everything moves too quickly to get a good judgement and the cows are moving around through the ring quickly and people tend to crowd the ring so it's hard to see. You want to know what you want to do before hand and sit towards the top of the stands/bleachers if they have them and wait for your numbers and then watch the other bidders so you can hopefully get the best price and not get bid up by some big shot. If the guy has bought other head and every time he bids a ranch name comes up on the screen he's a pro and this is his business and he'll have a predictable cap on what he's willing to spend unless he's just in *love* with a particular head. Luckily for you a lot of the serious spenders won't be fucking around with the single head groups and buy by the pen in different lots.

>>11057671
I have a high walled two axle multi-purpose hauler I built and will modify for future use for King, but I am having him delivered. I met him and checked him out. He is a prick!

I have some horse sense and a three stall loft barn set up. Should be good to go with some add ons so long as he gets along with my boys. I have two great danes. Also pricks.

>>11057655
You don't wanna eat old meat bro. Keep him as a pet and don't eat him or butcher him at the proper age. Old meat is very tough and gamey.
>>11057750
Also you won't be great your first time but if you're personable enough maybe a guy who's a pro and is there just for whole pen lots will help you out. Some guys are friendly like me some are surly, fuck them.

Have fun with it and stay within you're budget you're going to end up with pretty good meat either way.

That said have a butcher lined up ahead of time and know how much that's going to do you in for. It's also a lot of meat so it isn't uncommon for people to go in as a group and split it up into halves or quarters or whatever

>>11057761
Hahahaha sounds like you're in for an adventure friend

>>11057608
Butchering a cow is a lot of work anon, it's easier to just hire a local butcher to do it, my mother will go to our local butcher and buy half cows and pigs, they come with the meat wrapped in wax paper and labeled by the cut so all she has to do is throw it in our chest freezer. I can't imagine trying to butcher a cow without knowing what I was doing, I would probably ruin all the good cuts and waste a bunch of meat, not to mention grinding the scraps for hamburger.

>>11057750
hey, just for curiosity sake while you are here? I am not going to eat my buddy until the lord or the devil or whatever takes him, and even then it will be in a "why waste it" way, but what can be done with an old Angus bull that likely died of partying? Jerky and make a cool rug? Probably will be a decade from now... shit, I have to learn about cows. How long do bulls live?

>>11057799
Not him but I would like to learn how to butcher an animal myself. Just like I like hunting for mushrooms and fish. I like to be independent.

>>11057799
Does she get like a wholesale discount for that?

Also you're totally right. On top of that anon would have to have a cold room to dry hang the whole carcass for a couple days for best results. Just killing and chopping it up warm and fresh isn't ideal but people do it. I've heard stories of Hmong clans negotiating price with a farmer for a small steer or something and then coming out killing and butchering the whole thing on the spot. They always say they're super fast and don't leave a trace of anything behind, but then again there's a bunch of them to split the labor.

>>11057820
>>old beef
Braising is your friend.

Do some research on Magnus Nilsson, the Swedish chef. I remember him talking about cooking old dairy beef on Mind of a Chef.

>>11057860
I am French (American now), so I do not mind strong meat. Hope it is far in the future. I am oddly looking forward to the rug idea though. I just dig projects.

>>11057820
Jerky maybe? But an old bull will have a really off flavor for sure. You can definitely have a pelt made out of him lots of people do that with their favorite bull they had for a while. It isn't cheap but a good tanner can make you something very durable and very beautiful. Don't be afraid to talk to local ranchers and visit them especially the guy you bought him from. Mostly people in the business are nice and genuinely helpful especially in passing on knowledge about how to keep an animal. Little things will come up I'm sure and one of the best things you can do is find a vet who's willing to consult with you over the phone so you're not being charged for every sniffle on a house visit. He should live to at least 12 years old and watch his hooves if they get too long or he develops an abscess you'll have to call a hoof trimmer and they can treat both.

>>11057860
>>11057874
The biggest part of the problem is that the extra testosterone will impart a very noticeable flavor. I'm sure people have eaten it in the past, but I'm just saying the price of processing vs what you get may not be worth it to you.

>>11052383
That animal looks unhealthy. I’m speaking from a position of ignorance as I don’t know anything about farming but why can I see its ribs?

>>11057875
Good info. Thank you.

I have an emu farmer down the road that I lease some land. He is a bro and will help out some. There are lots of cow farms in town. I am pretty excited about the prospect actually. Glad I decided to dick around on /ck/ today.

>>11050143
try reddit

>>11057893
Oh, I am getting his balls taken off. Only I get to have balls here. The boys are fixed too. They live longer.

>>11057897
She's a dairy breed who just had a calf. Dairy breeds have been genetically selected of centuries to focus metabolic energy on fertility and lactation output which means there isn't a lot of kcal left to pack on the meat. Beef breeds are the opposite but only produce a gallon or two of milk a day whereas a dairy cow can get up to 10 gallons a day
>>11057904
>>11057909
Wait are two people buying these as pets?! I'm confused now lol. Either way good luck to both

>>11057942
nah it is just me. Sorry if I lost you in the convo. I scored some adderall today from the Emu farmer's kid. Could be me.

You are an adderall taking prizefighter that decided to buy a baby bull today, named it King Diamond (he looks like King Diamond) and just hang out on your land with giant dogs building shit all day? That is fucking metal.

>>11057799
Well, I butcher 1 or 2 deer myself every year so while I know it will be heavier to hang I do have a heavy duty block and tackle. The cold room I don't have but does that really matter if J bought it in late fall and hung it from a tree when temps aren't going above 50F?

>>11058149
Animals would be my concern then, but that's just me. Full disclosure I've never butchered myself so I won't tell you what to do if you're comfortable with it.

This thread is adorable and should harm vegans. Bump