/ck/ - Food & Cooking

beer is good, sometimes

>>11449978
Could drink this all day.

Anyone ever been to one of these self-service bars? Pretty good idea, though the Mongo didn't seem super fresh.

>>11449990
never seen anything like this ! is thing some king of beer station ? like you pay for a gallon or so and it allows you to take anything you want ?

>>11449990
I've literally never seen anything like that.
It sounds like a neat idea, but it seems like it's either too costly for the consumer or for the brewer and likely wouldn't last.

Never tried it before. Just waiting it to get a little cooler before I open one.

>>11449990
Yeah I went to one this spring with some friends, it was really decently priced, and they also had self service cocktails that were very passable and affordable. I got blackout drunk off $30 which is pretty impressive.

Drinking Peroni here

>>11450423
Pretty nice, the Korbinian is fucking aces though

>>11449990
been to a couple recently, its a good concept, don't have to tip anymore

Drinking pic related. Favorite local brewery. Cozy af on a cold winter day

is cider welcome here? i just stocked up on a couple bottles of this while i was in the mountains in VA. really crisp, very dry, pleasantly tart. fucking excellent.

Who /sour monkey/ here?

About to open up one of these

>>11451290
is this shit good? i used to like golden monkey because it was decent, really strong and cheap for how strong it is in some places. but i got way too fucked up on it one too many times and now it tastes like pennies to me and makes me nauseous. never had the stomach to try the sour.

>>11451285
yeah go for it

>>11451297
I think it's pretty good, but yeah it's really strong and if you think Golden Monkey tastes like pennies this one will definitely taste like pennies. Even if you don't like it though they are still pretty good if you wanna get fucked up quickly

>>11449990
That looks fucking amazing. Those prices are fucking awful but the concept is excellent.

Bought a bottle of Deschutes Stoic tonight. I could see how some would like this but it really isn't for me.

>>11451377
I've been on the fence with stoic. Abyss and black Butte anniversary are the only two deschutes special releases I buy

>>11449990
they have this at a barcade near me, pretty great because you just fill yourself up a couple of ounces and try different shit

>>11449990
How many taps do they have? Is there a big queue at them?

>>11449990
Is this in CA? Mongo is the shit, love that and their other shit

Just finished this one. Not my favorite beer, but pretty good for what I can get in my town. I could drive to a better store, but it's a good 30 minutes each way.

Alvarado Street x Casa Agria Chiffon Fog double IPA
Draft pour at my local taproom / bottle shop, carnitas burrito from the white person Mexican place around the corner.
Pretty great combination of hazy IPA texture and West Coast flavor. Very subdued bitterness, some tropical fruit. I've had this collab from a can and it's nearly identical on tap. Alvarado never fails to impress me. Try them if you can find them.

>>11451291
people in this thread dont appreciate how good this stout is

angry chair is clear across the country from me though

>>11451620
Alvarado's pretty good, and Fieldwork's got that taproom down the street next to the Trader Joe's.

>>11449990
It's illegal in Michigan, I assume other places besides Cali which id the only place ive heard of them really.

>>11450568
Good choice

>>11451275
Rauchbier's flavor does not work for me.

Another very nice Fat Orange Cat. The adjuncts flavors are almost non existant, so it's just a realy nice dry porter.

>>11450291
You get a little bracelet when you get a table and when you touch it to the screen it allows you to pour - like running your credit/debit cart at the gas station - and you can get as much or as little as you want, but at this place they put a cap at like 32 ounces so you have to have them reset it every so often (presumably to prevent people from getting too drunk).

>>11451348
>those prices are fucking awful
50 cents an ounce is actually really good for those beers on tap.

>>11451393
>pretty great because you just fill yourself up a couple of ounces and try different shit
Exactly. I thought it was an amazing concept, and as >>11451254
said, you don't have to bother tipping aside from the food.

>>11451419
The place I went was pretty small, and had just opened. I'd say they had around 16 beer taps and 6-8 for wine. Pic somewhat related.

>>11451524
>mongo is the shit
I've literally never seen anyone else post Mongo here. Port/Lost Abbey is severely underrated, which is why the only other pic was of the Board Meeting. I'm in NorCal and we rarely the Port here (though Pizza Port is everywhere).

More meme stout

>>11452869
Port sits on the shelf here in MI. It's good beer but blends in too much on the shelf.

>>11454110
They sit on the shelf here too, which sucks because they're no good if you don't drink them within a month or two of bottling.

>>11452019
I was a little disappointed by this one for that very reason.
Picked up a 4-pack of these at the brewery, probably going to crack one tonight. I've enjoyed most of the Grimm stuff I've had and I generally like fruit sours.

>>11449978
What other drugs do you do?

>>11451290
my go to. Relatively affordable relative to the amount of alcohol. Plus making the switch from IPAs has done wonders for hangovers. Currently enjoying a Bell's Kalamazoo stout though

so good

>>11455053
>my dude
I think that's what I like about it. It has alot of fruit in the nose but it's not an over the top fruit/chocolate/coffee/peanut butter/bacon/meth/booze/what ever the fuck else the brewer is using to cover up their shit base beer porter. It is stout season, and I just bought a massive pile of adjunct stouts so I get it, but simple is ok sometimes.

>>11455517
I can't get over those beers looking like the dregs of a fermentor.

>>11455770
totally worth it

I specifically want beer in either a .5 or .75 liter bottle. This is generally the amount of beer I want to consume at once and I actually enjoy beer in this format much more than any other. Having a glass, an open bottle, maybe another person, and pouring beer while sitting and drinking is the best experience. For whatever reason smaller bottles doesn't work. Maybe it's the feeling of pouring one glass from the same bottle? Regardless, it's impossible for me to get the same feelings from more traditional american sizes, so what are the best beers here that I can get in that format? I've heard good things about Delirium but I've never tried it. Does anyone agree? I do have a half liter glass for beers that should have it, like a pilsner, but otherwise I just use snifters.

>>11455669
can someone explain the milk sugar in beer thing to me? i had one with that in it the other week and thought it was good, nice and funky.

>>11455822
a lot of good American beer is sold in 650mL bottles (though I much prefer 4 packs of 355mL bottles for high tier beer)

>>11455770
i really love a cloudy beer

>>11455822
Duvel 750ml is a fucking classic if you can handle the pure Belgian degeneracy

>>11455828
Yeast cannot ferment lactose as they do sugars from malt, so genially in beer the yeast ferment the large majority of the initially present sugar, but with lactose added more sugar will remain in the final product

>>11455828
As said
>>11455833
Yeast basicly consume sugar until either the alcohol concentration is so high they cant survive the environment or they run out. They cant eat the lactose so it is used as a sweetener. Funk shouldn't really come from the milk sugar.

>>11455770
Love the trub my dude.

>>11455517
Hello fellow haze boi. Hop juice is the order of the night. Nice and citrusy. Dry kumquat and a hint of grass. Smooth finish with only faint bitterness. Canned 11/1.

>>11455879
>>11455517
These might be the two best hazy IPAs in the midwest

Lunch beer was Pure Project Keep Amurka Dank. Friend had the Pure Project Mango Madness double. Both were legit but I would have ordered the Mango if I knew how good it was. Straight up fruit.

>>11455965
That ddh 43 may be the best NE I've had.

This stuff made me start liking IPAs.

Are there any beers where the nose translates to the taste 1:1.

It gets annoying when a beer is all smell and no taste

>>11456200
Most classic styles. Euro ipas. Some stouts. Just about anything using noble hops.

>>11456200
Stouts pretty much.

beer is overpriced in my cuntry (100% markup) and im going to holiday soon where alcohol is chirt deap
so my options as far i see in pictures of grocery marts are
leffe blonde
tripel karmeliet
Rochefort Trappistes 8
rodenbach grand cru
pauwel kwak
franziskaner hefe weissbier
kasteel rouge

>>11456461
recommend me on one of those

>11446712
>My least favorite has to be lizard of koz

Really? You dislike LOK more than Barrel Runner and Dank Wood? Those were fucking awful.

>>11456538
>so was koz

>>11456461
>leffe blonde
Skip.
>tripel karmeliet
Fucking excellent and easily holds its own with Westmalle's tripel.
>Rochefort Trappistes 8
The 10 is their best beer, but all of Rochefort's beers are phenomenal. You cant go wrong with them.
>rodenbach grand cru
Very pleasant, but if I had to choose between it and one of the first two, there's really no contest.
>pauwel kwak
Loved it at first, but on subsequent tries found it overly sweet and not quite as complex as I expect out of a Belgian strong ale.
>franziskaner hefe weissbier
skip
>kasteel rouge
It's alright. Prefer my cherry ales with a bit more bite to them.

>>11456461
Those are just a bunch of run of the mill Belgians with a random German thrown in. If that's all that's available to you, even on "holiday", you might as well just try all of them. Anyone who somewhat regularly drinks beer has been having all of those for decades. Maybe someday save up some money and come to the States to try some real beer.

>>11456577
>come to the States to try some real beer.
Hey, I appreciate the America chest beating as much as anyone, but the Trappists and Karmeliet are universally appreciated even among American brewers.

>>11456584
"real beer" was obviously hyperbole. I just meant that they're things that most people have had a million times, and once you've had the best of those styles you should really branch out and experience all the other amazing things being brewed these days.

>>11456538
With out going into it to much, all 3 of them are cash grab shit. Barrel runner may sit in a bottle long enough to lose that massive booze hit and almost be drinkable. Dankwood is frankly terrible but I know people who drank that turd willingly and even claimed to like it (may God have mercy on their souls). These are almost acceptable because the brewer has inverter interests to keep going and they have figured out that sticking okay beer in some oak in a gypsum mine near GR for 9 months let's them charge alot and really pull people who have no idea what a good beer is into the hype train and make some $$$. Instead of taking good base beer, like the Imp stout they just discontinued and taking some time to care about what they make they just push this crap, and it's all about the "new" idea they can bottle up to try to keep interest in the series. It's a marketing/ bottom line driven decision and steps all over what they do well.

They all suck, but when dead lines loom for a new push some times you gotta get product out. LoK is a vanity project gone waaaaaaaay to far. Drinking a bottle of LoK is like a fucking tide pod challenge. For a head brewer to dedicate this shit to his sister exposes some deeeeeeep familial issues. What sucks about this is the non try hard shit like their excellent midwestern IPA's and some of the beers they keep chopping like the imp stout and curmudgeon or the ones they cant be bothered to make regularly like bolt cutter because they cost more to make are realy great beer.

>>11456584
Its almost like that wasn't a serious post

>>11456721
They discontinued their imp stout? That was there best seasonal wtf

>>11449978
This and their hefeweizen

Good, but Gouden Carolus Cuvée van de Keizer Blue was better.
On the other hand, that one is rated higher on RB and I didn't know until I checked it out.

>>11456721
They stopped making the KBS? WTF that was literally god tier.

>>11457428
Dropped from the calendar.
https://foundersbrewing.com/latest-news/2017/2018-update-full-availability-calendar/

>>11458117
I'm getting fucked up and fucked up - it's not. But I stand by my opinion.

>>11458133
Wtf are you talking about? They discontinued imperial stout, which has been a part of their lineup for ever.

>Pro tip: KBS is not that good.

Lager>Ale

>>11458181
If the lager is Doppelbock and the ale is shite, I 100% agree.

Picked up the 2018 Surly Darkness Russian imperial stout last night, fucking delicious

the Sierra Nevada celebration is really good this year. the best in years, and certainly better than last years batch

>>11458230
This is still the best stout I've ever had

>>11458163
KBS is pretty good. Its not as unique as it once was with many other breweries making great beer of similar style but it is still a very good beer. One of the very best beers to see such a wide distrobution

>>11458337
There’s still like 5 bottles left at my local shop, even though they marked it up I’m thinking about going back and grabbing the rest

>>11458517
Last year they had a secondary release so I wouldnt feel too pressured

Alvarado Street Strata pale, from can (beertender tossed it).
Keeping things light as it's only just past noon here.

>>11458341
This is a rational way of describing it.
>>11458133
Is not. Its dick riding a seasonal release that gets very wide distribution and is not the same beer as it used to be. I concede they do good things, but calling it "God tier" is I'll informed at best and stupid at worst.

Darkness anon here...Carrying on with my stout kick. On a side note - is there any corking system or other method to store before after opening? For some limited releases I don’t want to drink them all in one sitting

>>11458869
Can try a wine saver, specifically the twist open kind intended for champagne. They work ok for things like stout that dont need alot of carbonation to be enjoyable but only buy you a day or so. Once opened you will lose co2 from suspension as their isnt a realy good way of maintaining pressure to keep it in solution without transferring to a pressurized vessel and forcing co2. That is a big can of worms to save a beer which is ultimately not going to last much more than a week.

>>11458912
When it comes to wine, how effective are those? I love pinot noir but never drink more than two glasses in one sitting.

>>11458996
Not that guy, but the only "wine saver" that actually does anything is the coravin, but that doesn't really justify its cost unless you're drinking some really good shit

>>11458996 12 hours you will lose alot of the brighter flavors to oxidation. The wine will start to taste "flat". After a day it's more of a lost cause. The more wine you drink from the bottle, the more atmosphere will fill the bottle and the higher the ratio of oxygen to wine you will have.

>>11459022
This guy is correct. For wine you dint need these as you have either the cork or cap. They are more intended for sparkling wine for the obvious reason that you cant recork it.

>>11459022
Thanks. That really blows though, I love good wine but I never drink enough to justify opening up a bottle. Everyone only drinks beer or liquor nowadays so I'm always stuck with the whole bottle.

>>11459032
May I suggest getting white girl wasted?

>>11459032
Time to learn to love hops. Wine is over and done with.

>>11459048
I usually stick with beer, I'm the Ayinger guy

>>11459041
wine drunk is the best but wine hangovers are some of the worst

Drinking Vocation heart and soul because it's free, imagine playing for beer, lol!

>>11459032
I usually go for less delicate stuff that lasts a few days, but when I get a good monopole burgundy I have no trouble murdering the entire bottle in one sitting. I feel a little gross the next morning, but I don't do it that much, and it's worth it.
>>11459048
t. flyover afraid of getting Matthew Sheparded because he didn't act like a "regular normal guy"

>>11459076
>Matthew Sheparded
who?

>>11459095
So you know James Byrd? Like that, but for gay people instead of black people.

>>11459095
Some gay guy who got lynched

>>11459099
>So you know James Byrd
Who?

>>11459104
So you've heard of Srinivas Kuchibhotla, right? Like that, but for black people.

Basically, this is why people fly over your state. It's not safe.

>>11459076
To be fair, beer is much better and more robust, yet much cheaper when it comes to quality. Wine's niche is if you are poor, because cheap win is probably a little better than cheap beer

>>11459118
>beer is much better
Sure, if you subsist off hamburgers, hot dogs, and chicken wings.
>and more robust
I don't know what that even means. You know there are different kinds of beers, and different kinds of wine, right? Or do they not have much variety in Babyjesustown, WV

>>11459116
Do you honestly think I should know who any of these people are?

>>11459123
>I don't know what that even means
It means beer is suitable for a much broader set of circumstances
>there are different kinds of beers, and different kinds of wine
Precisely what I was referring to. Beer is a rather broad category, it has much more variety and complexity than wine

>>11459124
They weren't "regular normal guys". They paid for it with their lives.

The point is, no one is judging you for doing what you need to do to survive. Malala Yousafzai is a hero and all that jazz, but most normal people would just rather not get shot.

>>11459132
I.... wow.

>>11459132
>It means beer is suitable for a much broader set of circumstances
Sure. I guess I forgot dorito casserole with rand dressing, and also sloppy joe mix on a hamburger bun.
>it has much more variety and complexity than wine
Yeah, nah. It's cute that you think that, though.

>>11459133
But more to the point, why do you keep referencing obscure pop news stories as though we should know what you are talking about

>>11459144
Sorry, I forgot flyovers can't get internet access without military-grade satphones, so your ability to pick up on what the outside world talks about when the outside world talks about flyover states is fairly limited and probably you need to save the bandwidth to look up the latest spot price on feedcorn futures, or whatever.

>>11459141
The fuck are you talking about. Do you seriously buy the pretentious marketing bullshit that wine is better for pairing with good food?
Also, beer is a much broader thing than wine, which is part of why there are so many more situations where it belongs.. Wine just has fewer variables to mess with, and considerably less room for skill in the brewing process. Wine just doesn't have an incredible variable like hops to throw in there

>>11459151
So you are just gonna argue that most coasties know these random obscure figures?

>>11459156
Yes, that must be it. All those super bowl ads for chambolle-musigny and fleurie got me brainwashed into thinking I enjoy it more than some imperial russian sugar bomb with dragons and swear words all over the label

Don't get me wrong, I still drink beer 4-5 times a month, some foods are good with beer. I just got bored of having it every day when I was in my late 20s

>>11459151
The flyover meme has got to go friend. Let me assure you that the coasts have inbred shut ins and that the bulk of the land mass has folks that can read (and enjoy good beer).

>>11459161
See the great thing about being a coastie is that we're not at constant risk of being murdered for being interested (or not interested) in this or that topic. So I'm not going to speak on behalf of everyone here. But most cultured people know who at least some of those names are. Malala won something called the "Nobel Peace Prize", it's an obscure coastie thing, very underground. Shepard has a federal law named after him, but I know the only law you know is the 2nd amendment.

Drinking a cheeky heart and soul, didn't play for them though

>>11459197
>See the great thing about being a coastie is that we're not at constant risk of being murdered
You sure are obsessed with murders for someone who is not at risk of being murdered
Also, the murder rates of white midwesterners are significantly lower than the murder rate of coasties

Also, everyone knows who Malala is. I obviously was referring to the random obscure murder victims you were referencing, not the incredibly famous international celebrity who you didn't even bring up until after the comment asking if we were supposed to know these obscure figures in you mind

>>11459192
Because the only way to develop pretension for you expensive product is super bowl commercials. Marketing is a very broad field, you are being marketed to all the time in a breadth of ways
>I just got bored of having it every day when I was in my late 20s
So you moved to wine? Seriously? You thought wine was less boring than beer?
Also the idea of getting board of beer because you are old and mature or whatever but not yet getting bored of this place is funny to me

>>11459213
They just take it out on us because their cities are covered in shell casings, human shit, syringes, and stands selling mediocre, kitschy food

>>11459213
>You sure are obsessed with murders for someone who is not at risk of being murdered
I generally avoid flyover states, so, yeah.
>Also, the murder rates of white midwesterners are significantly lower than the murder rate of coasties
Yes, that's the point of this discussion, is it not? That you, being a white midwesterner, are perhaps somewhat less concerned about getting murdered, provided you keep your head down and act like a regular normal guy, you won't get Matthew Sheparded. Not everyone has that option of course - see Kuchibhotla, for instance, or Byrd. They couldn't pass. But you'll be alright, you can pass for a regular normal guy so long as you stick to beer and other traditional Game Day™ treats.
>Also, everyone knows who Malala is.
Yes, that's the great thing about Wikipedia, you can hastily google stuff and then go "nu-uh, I knew that u dummy"

>>11459228
I'm glad we finally agree. Beer is like 4chan: inane and boring, against the better alternatives. And yet, I'm still here, just like I still sometimes drink beer.

>>11459247
Your entire point was that a "normal guy" would pretend to like beer in the midwest because they murder wine drinkers like southerners murder black people, so I feel like the white dude murder rate is the relevant figure here

Also, again, you brought up Malala after the discussion about why you were bringing up obscure figures began, she obviously could not have been the topic of that comment, and by anyone's measure is extremely well know, especially relative to those literal nobodies you previously were referencing

>>11459257
I am genuinely curious at how you could possibly perceive wine as less inane and boring than beer. This is just an absurd stance to take

>>11459279
Why would the white dude murder rate matter? Only women and greaseball catholics (who are not real white people) drink wine.

>>11459285
It would be difficult for you to understand. Like trying to explain why some people might enjoy vegetables or seafood without making loud gagging noises and asking if there's any "normal food" available.

>>11459299
Are you just saying random things and hoping one hits a real stereotype? I don't like seafood? What is this even a reference to?

>>11459299
>It would be difficult for you to understand
Because it is insane and ignorant

>>11459302
Seafood. As in stuff that lives in the sea. Not "crappies" (an actual name for midwestern fish, because they literally taste like shit) dragged out of Lac du Winnehago whilst spewing oil slicks and internal combustion byproducts all over the surface with your outboard because respect for nature is for fucking sissy faggots.

>>11459327
Yeah, I think midwesterners like seafood just fine (also if you wanted to name drop a freshwater fish should have gone with walleye or perch as those are widely eaten). Also your juxtaposition of french and indian placenames is awkward

>>11459352
>Also your juxtaposition of french and indian placenames is awkward
The majority of the Midwest derives its place names from either bastardized native words, bastardized French words, or some combination thereof. It's a little less common in Indiana and Ohio, and pretty rare in the Dakotas.

>>11459375
I meant it is usually french or indian, not both

>>11459375
>bastardized French words
Which brings about the more important question of why people from Minnesota pronounce the 't' in 'Nicollet', but people in Wisconsin do not pronounce the 't' in 'Nicolet'

>>11459247
>pass for a regular normal guy so long as you stick to beer
True, but it has to be macro pisswater not that atheist, socialist, commie, subversive, conspiracy to steal 'murrica's manhood, craft beer.

>>11459449
The wh*tes who colonized Minnesota came from a part of Europe that was pretty far from France compared to the wh*tes who colonized W*sconsin. W*sconsinites' ancestors probably passed through Belgium or France on the way over; Minnesotans' ancestors probably stopped in Edinburgh as their last departure point from Europe.

>>11459482
Yeah, I am pretty sure thats not it. Also do you wnt me to ask why you are using asterisks instead of 'i' in white and Wisconsin but not other words? Or am I supposed to know what this is referencing?

>>11459471
literally no one has ever said that, obviously craft beer became popular in parts of the midwest long before in NYC and LA

>>11459502
You must be living in one of those states that legalized recreational marijuana last week.

The American craft beer movement began on the coasts, coasties were already drinking Anchor Steam, Sierra Nevada, and Sam Adams when w*sconsinites were still drinking Old Milwaukee.

>>11459517
>places other than New York and LA count as coastie whenever convenient for the argument
Craft beer has always been more important in parts of the midwest than it is in LA and NY, from the first wave, to the 90s boom, to the current boom. Just because those are the oldest breweries that popularized things in your specific area doeasn't mean thats all there was

Also, are you going to seriously argue that Chico CA of all places is not flyover? Its one of the most flyover places I can think of

>>11459517
Also, I don't think Old Milwaukee was ever particularly popular in Wisconsin. It surely never surpassed the big guys like Miller/Pabst/Schlitz/Blatz. Pretty sure Old Milwaukee was primarily marketed to out of state markets in our lifetimes

>>11459534
Well, it's a university town so that kinda makes it pretentious and libral, doesn't it? Also, Sierra Nevada got their big break in an extremely pretentious coastie joint called Chez Panisse which is not only run by a roastie (probably a feminazi too), but also has the gall to serve vegetables and charge a lot of money for it.

And of course craft beer would hit harder when it finally reaches the midwest, it's still beer contrary to your dogged insistance that "the CRAFT beer" is not just "normal beer", it just happened to be the first beer that wasn't made out of boiled cigarette butts and recycled toilet paper. It took a while for a distinctly "craft beer" culture to take root in places like NYC because people were accustomed to having imports like Leffe and Rochefort available at places that had "good" beer, people were habituated to thinking of imports as being "good" and American beer as cheap swill for the working class. So there's less tendency to extremes, just like how in NYC there are decent restaurants that are not stupidly expensive, whereas in Chicago it's basically portillos, the hot dogs and swearing place, or 3 star michelin meme joints with hydrogen filled desserts.

>>11458869
Stout season is here my dude. Cellar is stocked.

>>11459571
You keep bringing up random things in inflammatory ways that I just don't care about. Like roasties and feminzais? Do you think this is /pol/? What do those have to do with anything?

Part of being coastie is having bad beer culture, its just a stain that LA and NY have always had to deal with and are still struggling with today. Its no coincidence that both states' beer cultures are centered far away from their coastie capital

>>11459327
What? The midwest has a strong hunter and fishing population that actively fight for preserving land and fresh water. You dont know anything about the midwest.

>>11459571
haha what? In New York even the bad restaurants are expensive. The midwest has a way the fuck better quality to cost ratio than New York, this is just a ridiculous thing to add to your already oddly offbase comment

>>11459587
I can't speak to LA as I've barely spent any time there. But NY has always been a multi-drink town since people are not at risk of being ritually murdered for drinking the wrong beverage here. It will never be a "beer city" just as it will never be a "steak and potatoes" city, although you can get great beer here, and great steak and potatoes if you want (but if you don't, nobody questions your loyalty to the United States, because wine and sake and dosas and cevapi are good too).

>>11459571
The midwest has always been a better import market for Belgians than the wine crazy New York market

>>11459327
The funny thing about the narrative that people in the midwest are too stupid to be the stewards of their own land is California is a polluted shit hole full of smog and the midwest is pretty pristine and has wildlife you can actualy harvest and eat.

>>11459596
>people are not at risk of being ritually murdered for drinking the wrong beverage here
yeah, this isn't a thing anywhere. You just keep inventing things that do not happen anywhere.
And don't act for a minute that New York is not specifically a wine city thanks to its dirty Italian heritage

>>11459591
There are bad expensive restaurants here, yes. I'm not sure if you'd know a good one though, even if you were led to one, because if it's not a heap of deep fried meat heaped on top of deep fried tubers literally spilling off the plate, you'll immediately have a panic attack and start worrying about being hungry later, and be unable to enjoy the meal even as the additional courses come out, filling your belly unexpectedly.

>>11459603
And how the Californians basically tried to destroy Yosemite so the midwest had to send Muir over there to protect it

>>11459604
>And don't act for a minute that New York is not specifically a wine city thanks to its dirty Italian heritage
You say that like it's a bad thing. Also the wine culture here is strongly Francophilic, Italian wines are sort of a novelty because the Eye-talians here have shit taste in wine.

>>11459605
Hard to trust any restaurant in a tourist trap like NY
Also, I have said very little of my opinions of food so kind of absurd of you to just assume "I wouldn't know a good restaurant" just because I don't live in NY

>>11459619
I can infer plenty about your opinions on food if you had trouble finding good food in NYC of all places, and you think wine is a conspiracy to make you feel uncultured.

>>11459611
It is definitely a bad thing. But yeah, New York later became obsessed with french shit, and still are today to an extent, but the seeds were lain by its largely Italian culture

Keep in mind that Germanic, beer centric cultures are just better than Romantic wine cultures both when it comes to drinking and when it comes to economic productivity and culture in general

>>11459634
>if you had trouble finding good food in NYC of all places
I never said that. Just said everything good and bad is overpriced in New York

>>11459635
>Germanic, beer centric cultures
It's funny you always say that, because Germans make some great wines, just because your ancestors came from some vodka-addled backwater in East Germany doesn't mean Mosel-Saar-Ruwer isn't real.

>>11459634
>wine is a conspiracy to make you feel uncultured.
I would say more the inverse. Wine is a racket to convince people drinking it they are cultured

>>11459648
Note, I say Germanic in the linguistic sense, so germans, anglos, and nordics.. As opposed to Romantics

Also, it has nothing to do with the ability to make wine, anyone can make wine, its not hard if you have the right climate. Its about what people choose to drink socially

>>11459665
Oh, is that why these are so hard to read? I've been thinking it's German, not realizing it's actually a Romance language in a weird font.

>>11459688
Um did you only read the first sentence of my post?

>>11459698
Germans drink more wine per capita than the highest wine consuming US state, you're just projecting your fantasies on them because your world view is based on your midwestern "personal drink" ideology where someone cannot enjoy more than one thing or it makes them gay.

>>11459493
Probably because astericks look like a splatter, if you get his drift.

>>11459743
The only thing gay in here is this shit flinging between country mouse and city mouse.

>>11458868
>it got popular so I have to pretend not to like it

>>11459743
They also drink more beer per capita

>>11459803
No, I have had the luxury of having access to it and have been able to taste the steady decline over the years. Using every adjective in the book to describe its "greatness" just proves the ignorance of those doing the exclaiming.

>>11449985
Live in Baltimore but ive never had this. Is it any good?

>>11459839
On one level, it's just beer, so yeah, agreed with all of that - nothing to get excited over.

But within the context of beer appreciation, it's a high alcohol novelty cask beer brewed with dessert adjuncts and boasting so much sugar that if you tap the side of the glass all of the sugar instantly crystallizes into a solid mass. So superlatives seem kinda appropriate within that frame of reference, no? I mean all it's missing is some kind of novelty chili peppers, maybe some liquid smoke, and a dash of brett, and you have your #1 USA best meme beer in the entire universe (anyone who disagrees with me hates America).

>>11459743
Yeah because wine isnt popular in the states apart from New York and california

>>11459839
I wouldn't say it is any worse, its just other stuff has gotten a lot better. 10 years ago KBS was novel and nothing available was like it. Now there are 500% more breweries in America, and the average brewery quality has gone way the fuck up, and barrel aging is more popular than ever so a lot of other guys are making similarly great beer

>>11459867
Its literally better than any non-US beer

>>11459867
>can't get excited about bee
>would rather get excited about another mild variation of the exact same wine style for several times more money than the best beers cost if not orders of magnitude more

>>11459920
The difference between making a great beer and a great wine is like the difference between slapping together an overclocked "rig" from Newegg boxes, and impregnating a woman and raising that child to be a great adult. There isn't even any sense in comparing the two, so why are you doing it? Just to make beer seem like something that it will never be?

Beer is good, I like beer, otherwise I wouldn't even be looking at this thread. Just don't make it out to be something that it's not.

>>11459951
Why do you think this?

>>11459951
Wine is literally just "muh terrior", there is not artistry or skill involved like in beer making, and there is no room for innovation. Basically just if you happen to be well connected and live in the politically approved place you can make a well established style, and basically only that style. There is no room for making interesting recipes like with beer since your raw material is so fatally limited

>>11459964
Because it's true
>>11459989
Winemakers declassify their wines as a matter of routine when they decide that fits their goals, a famous example of this was the Super Tuscan craze of the last part of the 20th century. I don't know where you got the idea that they're legally required to make wine according to some communist recipe book. They just can't say it's Style XYZ unless it actually is Style XYZ.

>>11460016
>Because it's true
please elaborate, this is too wild of a claim to take without explanation

>>11460016
Are you intentionally reversing what I said? Very many of the most important wine styles are legally restricted to specific areas through backroom political dealings

>>11460033
Not sure if English is your second language or what, but the word you're looking for is "contradicting". Yes I am intentionally contradicting what you said.

>>11460045
You said "i had the idea", and then stated the reverse of what I had said. Contradicting would be saying what I said is wrong, not entirely misrepresenting what I said and then saying that is wrong

>>11460088
Ok, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, I might have misunderstood you. When you said "you can only make that style" and "there is no room for making interesting recipes" (leaving aside the more dubious matter of what you personally consider "interesting"), what did you mean if not "the maker is forced to make wines in style XYZ"?

The fact of the matter is, PDO laws spell out the rules by which you can use an established style to describe a product. If the product does not actually follow that style, you can still sell the product, you just can't lie about what it is.

>>11459449
I don't know where the difference really comes from, but as a french, I would answer that it's because Wisconsin people is civilized and cultured and do know that the "t" in "Nicollet" is silent, while Minnesota are rude a*glo peasants

>>11456461
Tripel Karmeliet is my favourite beer
Rochefort is great too
The rest are all worth at least a try

>>11460177
tripel karmeliet is gross, way too much sugared for me
I'd rather a carapils case than this abinbev shit

>>11459867
Kbs isnt sweet and your flyover beer hate >omg its such a fucking injustice that these people dont like where I live over what I like. I'm just going to blog for DAYS about how these people I've never met who live in places ive never seen have such closed minds and boring existences. They must live in entirely backwoods and racist place because I dont understand migrational paterns

is, again, just proving your own ignorance. Go stroke it on /r/beer.

>>11459882
The bells ba beers are 1000x times better, made 46 miles away, and are from a brewer with similar time producing beer under its belt. I concede that the volume is smaller, but that is a choice made by founders to produce what was once a very special beer in a huge volume to capitalize on its sought after nature. Black note is an excellent beer. Wakefield stouts are excellent beers. NOA is an excellent beer. Black Tuesday is an excellent beer. Some of the speed way variants are excellent beers. Kbs is good, but not worth the incredible hype.

Dinner beer is yesterday's Green Cheek Beer Co. release, Party Pack. Got to purchase my allotment from the head brewer himself. I dig the startup feel of the place and the relative lack of hype for such a great product. Easily as good as anything I've tried in the category.

>>11460191
Each to their own my man

>>11460214
I mean I'm biased because I live 15mn from the belgian border so belgian beers are all I drinked from 13 to 20yo so most of them aren't anyhting special for me anymore I just drank too much of them and grew tired
but still there are many I would think more happily about and think are more representative of belgian triples than karmeliet
butI'll still recognize that your post spells the truth

>>11460208
>The bells ba beers are 1000x times better
but almost impossible to find. KBS is reliably available every year and shows up on tap sporadically through the year. Bells just doesn't make enough BA stuff, you need to put specific effort into finding it, you aren't going to just happen upon it and it rarely makes tap lists to the point where I have had so little of it I can't make a fair comparison and I am only one state over.

KBS balances the hype with availability so pretty much everyone who is into beer has had it but no one can just go to the store whenever they feel like it and get it turning its release into an event of sorts

>>11460161
>wisconsin people is civilized and cultured
>people is civilized
Please mark, go back to your green and yellow trailer and keep doing the only thing you wisconsinites are good at, fucking your cousins.

>>11460265
How does this counter my assertion that it isnt "God tier" but mass produced meh? Those other brewers make smaller batches because they care about the quality and keeping these special beers at a very high level of quality. I'd much rather have just about any of the central waters ba stuff, which they make a fuck load of and seem to keep at a high level.
Also: kbs shows up throughout the year on tap because distributors sit on it in allocation or are unable to move the ~$580 keg to all of their accounts easily. It's not the manufacturing feat you seem to think it is.

>>11460291
I'm just trying to explain the phenomena, not counter you, but you are being hyperbolic. KBS is still really good even if other people make better things

But I agree CW is awesome. Actually drinking a 3 year old version of the BA Scotch Ale right now and it is phenomenal

>>11460333

>>11458133
Was being hyperbolic anon. The posts you responded too are me pointing out how founders fortunes changed with the San miguel purchase and now the kbs sale every year drives the buisness. I also offered my opinion that this focus on the lackluster ba series is being done on the back of some of the other very good beers they have historically produced but are now retiring. This huge change in the brewery has been driven by this crazy belief that kbs is "unique" and "special" when the annual release now is just hoping they make a better version than the previous years snooze fest. This pursuit of an "ok" beer by people who are finding an interest in craft beer is why shit like barrel runner and dankwood are making it to market. It is at best a poor decision by the brewers and more likely a dishonest appeal to the bottom line over delivering good product to the consumer. While I dont hold the same vitriol for macro brewers who make adjuncts lagers exclusively as alot of craft beer fans, i would hate to see that same kind of single product evolution happen to a very close to home town craft brewer who has an amazing portfolio.

>>11459577
Ohhh fuggg that looks delicious. How’s the founders? Heard it’s delicious, saw a bottle at my shop the other day, I knew I should’ve grabbed it

>>11460415
I understand what you are saying, just saying that it is hyperbolic to say KBS is just "meh" now

Also, I would be curious to see what portion of their income is from KBS, or all of their barrel aged stuff combined. I seriously doubt it much. I bet the All Day IPA is the big money maker, I doubt the BA stuff even approaches 5%, its certainly not driving the business even though its the most visible part to fellow beer nerds. I think KBS is still well worth a 4 pack purchase once a year (now Dankwood and Barrel Runner on the other hand...), and the recent Curmudgean's better half was pretty good

But I do wish the Bells BA stuff was actually available without going to the brewery, off the top of my head I can't recall ever running into any at retail, and only a handful of times on tap, even though bells other stuff is everywhere (had some Double Two Hearted on tap the other day which was good)

>>11460452
That's last years. The RCMP sent them a cease and desist for the mountie on the label so they just put the horse on this years. I had to go grab those from a buddy who was storing while I finished moving stuff around in the basement. I haven't picked up this years as it doesnt move where I live quite like it does every where else. My assumption is it will be pretty close to last year and be incredibly sweet. Not my cup of tea but doing a year on comparo with some friends should be ok.

>>11460208
>KBS isn’t sweet
How damaged are your taste buds? Did your parents feed you nothing but coca cola and frosted flakes as a kid?

>>11460484
It's a huge part of their market strategy, from their interactions with the distributors up, so much so that it plays into conversation with accounts (we may sell you a kbs if you put all day on, even though you dont want it. "Cool, dont want either of them but thanks") I agree better half was good. Amazing what happens when they dig up something they made a long time ago. I agree kbs is worth trying every year and buy it, as i established before i simply dont believe it is "omgthebest" simply because I've had it and can get it like I suspect alot of people here.

>>11460653
Founders has always had sales quotas involved in their KBS distro, that predates San MIguel. Actually before the last couple years most liquor stores I encountered would usually make you buy an additional Founders 4 or 6 pack to get a 4 pack of KBS (and further back sometimes even one or two bottle limits), with the increased supply recently it seems that has stopped

>>11460511
That's not even RCMP though.
The rider depicted is in NWMP regalia. The NWMP haven't been around for like, 80 years,

I just brewed a couple crates of wit.

>>11460760
Cool label

>>11460191
>karmeliet
>ABInbev

God fucking damn it, I had no idea. What, are they going to fucking buy out Saint Sixtus abbey next?

Disregard all Founders products. There is no real excuse to support sellout breweries in this golden age of true craft beer.

>>11460723
Well, that's who told them to cut the shit.
https://amp.freep.com/amp/1831496002

>>11460963
Dudes are in the buisness to make money. This is as dumb as the guys calling it the goat.

>>11460978
Once a major player gets involved in the financials of a company, the product is inevitably compromised. There are fantastic stouts available from businesses that have kept their integrity, and continuing to support former craft breweries after they've sold to large conglomerates hurts the craft beer scene as a whole.
https://vinepair.com/booze-news/ab-inbev-craft-beer-gone-in-two-years/

>>11458230
I picked up a bottle myself last week, went out the next day and bought another to bring to Thanksgiving. Fucking 10/10

>>11461014
Comparing Inbev to the Founders situation is a bit of a stretch

>>11461038
It's still outside money. Once a brewery starts taking money from a big corporation they stop taking risks and lose their creativity. Corners are often cut. Head brewers leave and take other talented workers with them. It happens all the time. I enjoy patronizing smaller breweries where everyone working has a real stake in the quality of the product because the company's success depends on it. So much of beer making is about love of beer itself. Until >>11460978 comes along and kills that off.

>>11461079
The reason those people leave and the point you are both missing is that investors need to be kept happy. That means returns on investment, bank compacts, lawyers etc. The bottom line supersedes competent management in these situations.

>>11461199
And once management decides that they need to take money from Constellation or AB Inbev, I bail on the brewery. No exceptions. Modern Times is rapidly expanding up the west coast and they're managing their growth intelligently while clearly remaining profitable. The originators of American craft beer, Sierra Nevada, are bigger than ever and have never sold out. Don't rationalize purchases that damage the craft side of the industry as a whole by making excuses for management copouts.

>>11460963
I'll still continue to buy their traditional releases when they're the best option I'm given at a bar, but I have heard that their more recent releases are garbage.

I'm not sure if you can blame the lack of quality on Mahou-San Miguel's 30% stake, perhaps they've been in the game too long and just failed to innovate.

>>11461014
Love how the 4 Pines founder dismisses talking about the beer that you're drinking.

Probably because if you did critically analyse 4 Pines' beer it would come up sorely lacking.

I know that "IPA" used to just mean ESBs, but then it kind of became its own style in America. Anyway, though, I still find myself wondering...what was the English progenitor to "IPA" as it is known today? And why tf did Americans start calling their insanely bitter and not at all yeasty pale ales "IPA"? Was it just pure pretension

Was the original "IPA" just a really heavily hopped ESB? Pic related?

>>11461369
>I know that "IPA" used to just mean ESBs
I don't agree. While American-style IPAs are more hop driven than their English counterparts, English IPAs are pale ales that are more highly hopped with traditional English varieties.

ESBs rely more on malt qualities in my opinion.

>>11461369
>>11461440
That and estery yeast quality.

>>11461212
Cool. Enjoy your moral high ground. Management decisions and investments arent intrinsically evil, they are a fact of life. Everyone has capital backing expansion and most of these breweries have guys who are good at getting the buisness started but shitty at growing a large company. When profits start driving the bus and principals fall by the way side that's a different thing.

>>11461462
Enjoy killing your own hobby through bad purchase decisions.
http://www.moderntimesbeer.com/blog/what-selling-out-actually-about

>>11461440
I had the impression that the two terms were used interchangeably. For instance I've heard Firestone Walker DBA referred to as a bitter in some instances, in others as an "English Pale ale"...

>>11461524
I'd rather have them go the founders route than the TG route.

>>11461540
No idea about DBA, never heard of it. We don't get many Firestone Walker beers out here.

>>11461540
In England a bitter and a pale ale are synonymous. And ESB is a stronger one. An IPA is a hoppier one. English IPAs and ESBs are similar.

>>11460807
i'll still drink it until the quality goes

>>11461524
Dude I dont blame a single brewery that sells out. Running a company is a fucking nightmare.

>>11462790
InBev apologists deserve to only drink the shitty beer they help to enable.

>>11462860
I honestly couldn't care less as long as the beer still tastes good and the employees are treated decently

>>11462879
But InBev acquisitions always lead to deterioration of quality and loss of jobs. InBev's craft takeovers are basically a tool they can use to undercut and starve independent breweries, with the goal of eliminating upstart competition. If you can't grasp this because your favorite beer is from a brand that sold out, you shouldn't be discussing beer in the first place. It's like repping Chili's or Tony Roma's in a ribs thread.

>>11463728
>deterioration of quality and loss of jobs
Ah yes because expanding a company somehow decreases the amount of jobs? And the deterioration of quality will happen with almost any brewery who suddenly needs to ramp up production. The reason sierra nevada hasnt had an issue is because they have been chipping away at distribution for years and are actually very good at running their business. Very few breweries are and that's why it's completely understandable that someone facing the enormous task of expansion might look to a pay out instead. There are very few people willing to put up with 70+ hour work weeks and traveling constantly. I know I wouldn't.

>>11463766
>Ah yes because expanding a company somehow decreases the amount of jobs?
It's not "somehow". It's "huge industrial operations require fewer employees than multiple smaller ones".

>> And the deterioration of quality will happen with almost any brewery who suddenly needs to ramp up production
Yes. that doesn't invalidate the point though.

>>11462879
not the guy you responded to, but as karmeliet seems to stay the same, I think wicked weed beers quality went down the gutter after they were purchased (it was before karmeliet, though)

>>11463875
>It's "huge industrial operations require fewer employees than multiple smaller ones".
This is blatantly false. It takes way more workers to run an efficient mass export warehouse than a smaller operation. Not too mention distribution as well
And it does invalidate the point because any brewery whether it was bought out or not will have troubles with quality for a decent amount of time until they can figure out how to balance their new demands. Surly ran into this problem years ago. Theyve caught up now, but they struggled on quality for a while during their adjustment period

>>11452869
>I'm in NorCal
Shit, what part? Living in SoCal right now but still go North to visit friends/familly. Might be worth checking the place out.

>>11463909
>It takes way more workers to run an efficient mass export warehouse than a smaller operation. Not too mention distribution as well

I disagree. One man can supervise a 100,000 gallon fermentation vessel, but four 10,000 gal ones spread over multiple sites requires 4 people. Likewise, one large warehouse requires fewer docks, fewer forklifts, and fewer employees than multiple smaller ones which handle the same total volume.

>>11462151
>>11461440
>>11461446

So has anyone ever had an English IPA?

Also, ratebeer says that Sam Smith's India ale is a "premium bitter/ESB", while beeradvocate calls it an "English IPA"

>>11464085
East of Sacramento. There are better beer places around; I just thought the self serve thing was pretty interesting.

>>11452869
>50 cent per fl oz
>get 12fl oz as per a normal serving of beer
>$6

get the fuck out of here, even when i was visiting my cousin in manhatten a big glass of beer was cheaper than that

>>11464471
$6 is pretty average for any decent beer at a restaurant.

>>11464206
> East of Sacramento
Dang, Sac's already further east than I usually go.

>>11464471
>go to a place specifically designed for you to decide exactly how much of each beer you want
>get 12oz because that's a "normal" serving

You don't quite seem to understand the concept, do you?

>>11464526
if i go out drinking, I'm going to end up having at least 6 beers (12 fl oz each); who in their right mind would pay $36 for a 6 pack?

I'd rather get a 6 pack for $9-15 and spend the rest on ingredients to make a nice meal.

>>11464556
>if i go out drinking
>who in their right mind would pay $36 for a 6 pack

I think you might be genuinely retarded, anon.

Anyone here in NorCal tried anything from Mare Island Brewery? Is it any good?

>>11464085
Cosmic Brewing in Torrance has a self serve section like in the other Anon's photos. They used to allow small pours but I hear they've changed to full pints only. Either way they're just around the corner from Monkish, which is a far better beer destination.

>>11464592
>Torrance
This is why I hate living in Bakersfield. Five hours or so to get to the Bay Area, and at least two hours to go anywhere worth a damn south of the grapevine.

I kind of want to try this just because of the label design (yes yes I'm autistic etc), although they censored it in sweden so I would have to go to denmark to buy one that looks like pic. Anyone tried it? Was it good?

>>11464845
What needed to be censored on this? Its alchohol which is pretty much universally exclusively for adults.

>>11464931
We're talking about the swedish government. They're nothing but sjw's with a monopoly on all alcohol in sweden. Pic related, right one is the only bottle you can buy here.

>>11464109
What brewery has multiple small warehouses? One that is run poorly.
Larger facility = larger tanks and more of them. Not to mention now you need a maintenance crew, overnight staff, more management, more truck drivers, more raw materials and people to handle them.
I've worked at large and small industrial operations. The larger ones have double, even triple the staff because they need it and they can afford it

>>11451275
Love rauchbier, shame it's so hard to find.

>>11451297
It's brewed with a different yeast, not much in common with golden monkey besides the name desu. As >>11455285 mentioned, it's good high abv drinking without having to resort to nigger jank. Protip: pour a fresh cold mug and hit it with a squirt of lime juice. GOAT.

So after a lot of searching, I finally found a beer I really like- Sam Adams Octoberfest. However, this is only available a few months out of the year. What readily available beers are similar, or might someone who enjoys Sam October also like?

cheapest beer for getting hammered quickly?

>>11465714
Water and dirt.

>>11465714
Vodka.

It's so sweet lads.

Why didn't I get the blue moon specialty pack

>>11465714
Camo

For best effect, let the can reach room temperature before you begin drinking

>>11455879
It looks like orange juice what the fuck

>>11465903
pretty typical for the style of NEIPA

>>11465903
Welcome to hazy / New England style IPAs. They're basically hop juice.

>>11459133
>They paid for it with their lives.
Pay for what? Those were innocent people that were killed.

>>11465903
And your mother looks like a whore. Wanna fuck?

>>11466058
>the champagne of beers
Weird, I've always heard people say this but never realized it was actually their motto. I always used to call Shiner Bock the champagne of beers, because... small bubbles, I guess. And this Southern girl who went to school in Texas introduced it to me and she was probably the best lay I've ever had (she was crazy, obviously).

>>11466078
And your Texan slut has what precisely to do with champagne?

>>11466120
Bubbles and yeast?

>>11466065
Take your pants off and spread those asscheeks so i could put it in

>13%
This is officially the strongest beer I have had with 0 detectable alcohol burn. Yum.

>>11466422
Beer shouldn't have an alcohol burn to begin with.

>>11466585
well that fully depends on the style

Anybody tried this?

>>11461440
>varieties
Varietals, actually.

>>11461369
The English precursor to IPA was, well, IPA. There is no such thing as an IPA anymore, on account of their no longer being a British Empire and a Raj.

It's just fucking stupid that anyone would use that term.

>>11466639
>It's just fucking stupid that anyone would use that term.
What an absurd standard to hold names to. guess you are gonna get mad at Russian Imperial Stouts because there isn't a Tsar anymore. Names reflect history, they don't need to describe any current situation

>>11466617
>4 packs
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT.

>>11466617
literally just a worse pumpking
the roastiness doesn't work at all, finishes flat and bitter

>>11466663
disagree, all pumpkin beers should be porter or stout based

>>11466673
there are good dark pumpkin beers, warlock isn't one of them

I had high hopes for Almanac's new IPAs given how great their sour program is, but this was just okay. The "hazy" description on the label is misleading. This is a smooth, low IBU West Coast style IPA that just hasn't been fully filtered. If I'm getting a beer with West Coast flavor, I'd rather have it fully clear and crisp. I just can't really appreciate the mouth feel of unfiltered West Coasts like this one and the recent Pizza Port.
It still hits hard at over 8% and is easy enough to drink. There is decent tropical hop flavor and no bitterness. I still won't buy it again.

>>11466821
I just moved to California a few years ago after living in NE and then Chicagoland, and everyone thinks I'm crazy for being blown away by old school West Coast IPAs. And now all of a sudden every brewery and their grandma is doing a "hazy", "juicy" fucking NE style IPA and I'm sick of it.

>>11466910
Both styles are good. I get tired of NEIPAs after too many in a week, and the same with West Coasts. Gotta have some of each in the fridge for contrast.
Try Green Cheek's West Coast IPA is Dead or Russian River's Blind Pig sometime. Also anything by El Segundo Brewing or any core Pizza Port.

>>11466940
I'll keep an eye out for Green Cheak's and El Segundo (I'm sure I've had stuff from them before, but nothing comes to mind right now). I've had Blind Pig but prefer PtE, and Pizza Port is everywhere where I am, but I'm I much bigger fan of Port/Lost Abbey when I can get it fresh.

>>11466975
Green Cheek only sell at their Orange taproom but it's worth a drive if you're in southern California. Can releases are pretty easy to cop at. My favorite Port is Mongo. Same company as Pizza Port though. I'll buy their Kook DIPA if I'm away from home and all I can find is a BevMo.
For some reason I really don't like Stone.

>>11466996
I'm >>11449990 and am in NorCal, which explains why I haven't seen Green Cheek. I randomly got Mongo on tap a couple years ago and that's what got me hooked on Port. From what I understand the brewer started at Pizza Port but broke off and started his own brewery, so they're kind of related but are completely separate at this point. Kook is definitely my favorite widely available PP. I live pretty close to Auburn which has a few decent breweries, including Moonraker, which in my opinion still does the best West Coast NE style, and they were doing it before it was cool. I find Stone to be hit or miss, especially their best by line. I am really into the old school SoCal breweries (I was born in San Diego but moved away as a toddler, so maybe I'm just rediscovering my roots or something); my favorites aside from Port are AleSmith and Green Flash. I've honestly been more satisfied with Stone than Lagunitas, to say nothing of Ballast Point, which has been pouring money into campaigning their brand up here for the past ~3 years, and overcharging.

>>11449978
currently buzzed

>>11452947
Well, how was it? Prairie is the shit.

>>11466617
reminder that everything southern tier makes, besides pumking, is awful.

>>11467589
formerly sober

>>11467623
Nonsense. They make good stuff.

>>11455828
its a millennial-faggot thing

>>11469469
>Product of late 1800's health boom.
Sure is millenial.

Monkish line right now. Triple IPA release, Adios Ghost. 10%.

>>11470813
Kids at brewery releases bring out my autism

>>11467103
If you like those breweries, you should try out Alpine. Duet is my personal favorite. Their Nelson is fantastic too though.

>>11456112
Anon, a pale ale isn't the same as an imperial pale ale. That's like saying big is the same as bigly.

>>11472327
IPA is India pale ale

>>11472318
I've had Alpine here and there, and looking it up remember liking the things I recognize. I'll keep an eye out next time I do a liquor run. Thanks for the rec.

>>11466030
They were guilty of not being "regular normal guys", this is a capital offense in dumbfuckistan (the lawless wastelands between the hudson river and the diablo range, which have a great deal in common with the federally administered tribal areas of northwest pakistan)

>>11466422

>coconut vanilla macaroon imperial stout

Why did America have to go and ruin beer

>>11470813
I like how the photographer went out of his way to make sure two women were front and center so as to limit the overall impression that beerfags are greasy unkempt overweight neckbeards.

>>11473047
I just took the photo the moment I walked up to the line, Ace. Zero staging or real thought involved. Lots of projection on your part.
Pic related is what we were waiting for.

>>11473035
>the bruery
>ruining beer

Jesus christ you're retarded.

>>11455224
Alcohol only. Cigarettes when I get really drunk

>>11473047
t. never been to a taproom in his life

>>11473517
t.fatty in denial

>>11473409

Monkish is so overrated it's actually funny. Cali hype monster trash.

>>11449990
Its a shit idea. It basically amounts to charging you for samples when a traditional taphouse gives you them for free on request.

>>11473713
t. Jealous easterner

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>>11449978
>>11474069