/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>11498885
>American """"""""""""beer"""""""""""""

>>11498885
>Right now
No. Its prime was about a couple of years ago. The craft brew movementstarted gaining momentum around the early 2000s with the peak around 2-5 years ago. Lately the strange experimental phase has been rearing its ugly head no joke i had a hatch chili beer a few months ago. I needed a beer to wash down the first beer

>>11498885
your 10 years to late

>American beers are the most highly rated.

>>11498885
Well yeah where have you been, there's basically going to be a pub/microbrewery on every corner by 2022.

Flyover thread

>>11498902

Most craft beer these days are just IPAs; which is to say "this beer was loaded with so many hops you can't possibly taste anything else".

These beers suck so much cock it's undrinkable. They taste like nothing, you'd be better off just eating the hops straight up.

>>11498885
>right now
Did you finally start getting a few decent exports? America has been the best in the world for well over a decade now.

>>11498934
2018s 50 top rated beers in the world list has 25 from the US. Literally every list you find that rates beer(no matter where it comes from)is now loaded with American beer. Stay mad faggot

>>11498950
lol try visiting a brewery sometime.

>>11499021
I haven't been to one in a long time, and I've had some really nice beers in my time. But most of the beers on the shelves that are craft are like I said, hopped to fuck that it tastes like nothing else.

You are literally better off drinking a fucking bud or a pbr or something. These IPA beers are just horseshit. There's 1000+ hopfucked beers on the shelves and none of them are worth drinking.

>>11498950
The hop craze ended almost a decade ago since we've gone through
>dessert stouts and porters including imperiala
>sessionable ales
>lagers including IPLs but also all kinds including renditions of traditional German and Czech lagers of every malt type
>sours going from mildly tart gose to stupid sour like sub 4 ph barrel aged. And every type of adjunct imaginable added
>are now in the phase of waaay overreaching on the types of adjuncts that are good someone mentioned hatch chili yuck!

"""""craft""""" beer has been a thing since the early neolithic period
normies just think it's some newfangled dealie for some reason

The USA has both the best and worst beer in the world and this has been the case since the 1980s.

The only beer that's having a renaissance right now is undrinkable ultra-sour garbage

Decent craft beer has been big in the USA since the mid aughts

>>11498885
>some sort of renaissance
Yes it's exactly like that with similarity to the ascendency of Greek thought to bring us out of the shrouded, clouded Dark Ages. The US prior to prohibition, when men were men, had 5000+ craft breweries. Feminized prohibition ruined that and after repeal, with all the real men away fighting a world war, resulted in megacorporations simply providing alcohol adjunct pisswater to the women and weak feminized males. So yeah, it's a perfecf anology in terms of "renaissance."

>>11499129
Its americans really. After prohibition only a handful of breweries (the ones with the big bucks) got permits for brewing due to tight alcohol laws. It wasn't till Jimmy Carter eased up on regulations in the 80s the people started homebrewing. In the 90s the microbrews started making an appearance

>2018
>craft beer renaissance

If we’re going with your metaphor the renaissance really gained steam in the late-2000s and now we’re in the late stage craft beer hipsterdom

>>11499445
>late stage
>implying this ride ever ends

>>11499445
Its been going for quite a while, but even within the boom beer now is considerably better than it was 5 years ago. Its premature to call it late stage, there is still a ton of room to grow

>>11498885
American beer was never "bad", it was just very light, which is actually a good style for hot weather. Pretty much every state has craft breweries making every style of beer now though. There's still a lot of crappy beers, in fact I'd say a lot of craft beers are worse than something simple like Budweiser. I'd rather have Budweiser over most craft beers that use artificial flavors. And I see a lot of crappy/simple beers imported from Europe in local stores, but it's about on par with Europe now for the good.

>>11499008
[Citation required]
I would bet my whole credibility that this list was crafted by an american for an american based publication, so it suffers from various biases
>1: the viewer/reviewer has a palate more suited to american brews.
taste and flavor are subjective to what people are used to, look at the difference between american cereal and in the rest of the world. 'Captian Crunch' and most other american cereals are not sold on international markets because they are too sweet for most people
>2: the reviewer has corporate links to US breweries
the often cited 'beer world cup' is run by an association of american brewers, who have an invested interest in promoting their products at a higher quality. even everyday normal publications may be selling 'exposure' to local brewers by including them in their list
>3: flood the market
A country with the population and size of the US produces a wide array of brews from a huge number of brewers. Some of these will be generally good and palatable to international markets. many others will not, and are more alike to piss. due to the sheer volume of brews distilled, some will be great but that does not mean that the industry as a whole is good.

>>11498934
The cheap ass pabst blue ribbon i drink is 100x better then any commie yuropoor beer
keep coping beerlet, dont worry when sharia law overtakes your country alcohol will be illegal so you wont need to worry anymore

>>11498902
>>11498934
>>11498950

brainlets and tastelets, all of you

>>11498885
>>11498943
>>11498950

based and redpilled anonymous 4chan users

>>11499489
Whats with people caring so much about weather and beer? Is it all because of marketing, doesn't seem like there is any actual reason to drink watery beer in the summer

>>11499493
Dude, basically anyone from anywhere who is into drinking good beer considers America to have the large majority of the best. Its not some conspiracy

>>11499500
Try drinking a heavy IPA in 90 degree weather, youd pass out after 3 while a nice pilsner could help you last much longer

>>11499489
>There's still a lot of crappy beers, in fact I'd say a lot of craft beers are worse than something simple like Budweiser. I'd rather have Budweiser over most craft beers that use artificial flavors
The fuck are you talking about? Artificial flavors? Who is doing this? Also no, just no, the vast majority of craft beer is at least pretty good and that ratio is improving every year as the market becomes much more competetive

>>11499500
Same reason people eat different food depending on the weather. A hot bowl of stew and a heavy stout won't taste good during the middle of summer when you're sweating and don't have much of an appetite, but it'd be good during cooler months. Having a really cold light beer when it's sweltering is nice and refreshing. Similarly to how places with hot weather have variations of summer soups that are usually light with vegetables and some kind of sour dairy.

>>11499507
I have indeed drank high ABV beers in the summer. Its fine. I would rather drink less of a good beer than a lot of Bud Light in any weather

>>11499515
>The fuck are you talking about? Artificial flavors?
There are a decent amount of craft beers advertising that they have some kind of additional flavoring, but it's usually natural/artificial flavorings instead of the real thing being added, which tastes bad. Not saying it's the majority of craft beers that do this, but it's become a big enough of a problem that it's something I like for when trying new beers so I know to avoid them.

>>11499521
I don't think comparing eating literally hot food in hot weather to beer styles is a fair comparison

Eating cold things when it is hot and warm things when it is cold is a direct and logical thing. Trying to apply beer styles to weather is arbitrary and probably just based on marketing

>>11499506
>Dude, basically anyone from anywhere who is into drinking good beer considers America to have the large majority of the best. Its not some conspiracy
[Citation needed]

>>11499531
I assume some have legitimately used artificial flavors, but the vast majority use natural flavors (which is probably only for marketing reasons (because there is literally nothing wrong with something being artificial, but people aren't as likely to spend a bunch of money on something marketed as a high quality food product if they associate it with being artificial)

but its really just a tiny portion of craft beer that doesn't use the real thing when selling adjunct flavored beer

>>11499539
>I don't think comparing eating literally hot food in hot weather to beer styles is a fair comparison
There's more to it than just the temperature of it. If you feel sick from the hot weather you aren't going to want to put something heavy in your stomach, even if it's cold. That's why summer soups are cold in temperature but also not full of meat and fat and starch, but usually light and refreshing vegetables.

>>11499548
literally any beer rating site ever. Literally any beer blog. You can't just say everyone agreeing on something is a conspiracy and then provide literally zero evidence of anyone but yourself disagreeing
Here are the top user rated beers here. Keep in mind that Americans fucking love to overrate Euro beer, not the other way around. No one rates Belgian beer more highly than Americans do
https://untappd.com/beer/top_rated

>>11499565
>I assume some have legitimately used artificial flavors, but the vast majority use natural flavors
Natural flavors are usually just as bad though. It's not the "artificial" part of artificial flavor that bothers me, but that it usually has less flavor overall of what it's trying to imitate and they usually put way too much.

>>11499548
Look at any top beer lists

>>11499571
What if the summer doesn't make me feel sick? Is this a thing?

>>11499582
>Natural flavors are usually just as bad though
Perhaps, but you explicitly stated artificial flavors were your problem
>has less flavor overall of what it's trying to imitate and they usually put way too much
Seems like this would balance each other out
What type of beers are you even referring to, I am having trouble wrapping my mind around what you are talking about

>>11498902
Remember when yuropoors shat on American wine? And then it became superior to yuropoor? That's been happening for beer.

Earlier this year I had friends from England and South Korea come to my house(I live in America). Both of these foreigners were floored by the selection of beers that were available to me in the Midwest US, and they both completely bowed down to the literal aisles and aisles of different craft brews available here in the US. You can get great beer in other places of the world, but you can't get the selection you can find here in the US.

>>11499607
Except to a much larger extent and it happened a while ago. Euro an American wine are at least close, there is no contest at all when it comes to beer

>>11498885
Yes.

The U.S. was the first to fully "modernize", and as a result we lead the way in processed food / drink that is just now catching on in the rest of the world.

>>11499581
Wow an american dominated site that definitely doesnt suffer from any of the perspective biases I explained in >>11499493
All im saying is that the general american consensus on what makes the 'best' beer will be different to a czech or an australian or japanese consensus or even our own personal consensus. I don't doubt that Americans highly rate many american beers, but this doesn't reflect my preferences, or even more so an objective preference

>>11499591
>Is this a thing?
Some people can just handle heat better than others, but it depends where you live too. I live in a humid place with summers that have 95F weather during the day, and 80F at night. I start to get nauseous within minutes if I go out in the middle of the day and I'm not in shade. Maybe it's just because I'm a ginger though, but when it's like that I just want light and refreshing drinks, preferrably with a tiny bit of sugar and sourness. I love heavy stouts but I can't drink them during the summer.

>>11499630
>The U.S. was the first to fully "modernize"
In 1870, almost 50 percent of the U.S. population was employed in agriculture
Both the Dutch and the English had fallen below this level 200 years prior

>>11499637
Americans dominate the site because America has the most good beer, and a beer culture that encourages trying new things. I mean how often do European on average even try a new beer? Most of the people on Untapped are at least pretty into beer and trying new things all of the time which is a hell of a lot easier to do in America.

But the idea that random ass Americans overrate American beer overall at the expensive of European ones is just silly. Do you think the millions of independent users have come up with a conspiracy to overrate American beers so it can be cited on the internet in arguments? What possibly motive would American people have for overrating beers from American breweries?

>All im saying is that the general american consensus on what makes the 'best' beer will be different to a czech or an australian
Sort the untappd ratings by country, you will see that most of us are more similar than different in what types of beer we consider best, some styles just have higher ceilings than others (primarily IPA, Stout and Sours have very high ceilings). You may or may not agree with beer experts and people who are into beer in general, but your opinion does not get to just outweigh the opinions of beer experts and drinkers around the world. You just aren't into beer that much, which is fine

>>11499638
I mean I am definitely not know for my ability to handle hot weather but thats not gonna stop me from drinking good beer over watery beer

>>11499669
Thats a really limited definition of "modern". Urbanization is definitely part of the picture but no nation was modern by any broad sense of the term back then. Its pretty hard to call anything before the end of the world wars modern.

>>11499692
Okay, enjoy it, but you're not going to stop me from drinking what I find more refreshing at certain times so hopefully we can both learn to enjoy the things we enjoy while letting others enjoy the things they enjoy and not worrying too much about what others enjoy as long as they aren't hurting anyone

>>11499771
I wasn't saying you shouldn't drink things you like, just that I never got the association with weather and beer styles

>>11499689
its not a 'conspiracy', its a difference of taste
craft singles are the favourite cheese of many in this board judging by the cheese threads, yet the rest of the world finds them gross.
are you going to aggregate the views from this group and say that craft singles are the 'best cheese in the world'?
no

>>11499797
Gotcha. I hope my explanation was sufficient then, and that you don't still think it's just marketing.

>>11499689
>What possibly motive would American people have for overrating * from American *?

Maybe 'cause it's a national trait?

>>11499801
Stop trying to portray your views as the rest of the world. People who are into beer around the world recognize American preeminence. You don't need to like it, but you can't just act like it isn't true because you don't agree with it

The fact is, even if you prefer light tasting beer you are still better off in America. Americans just have access to an absurd variety of modern and legacy styles made to a very high standard

>>11499818
I don't have data on this but I would be surprised if Americans didn't rate good European beer even more highly than Europeans do. Being foreign and "authentic" is always worth bonus points to Americans

>>11499697
>Its pretty hard to call anything before the end of the world wars modern.
In a genreal economic viewpoint i would agree with that statement, however you used the term 'modernise' in relation to food processing and storage. Urbanisation is a very important aspect in this sense. Firstly, a lower percentage of the workforce means improvements in intensive production, and greater market integration needed to supply these materials to urban centres quickly. Similarly, methods for the preservation and transportation of grain were improved on in the 16th century to facilitate huge quantities of trade all the way from the vistula and the daugava to dutch cities.
More importantly for the direct relation to food came in the late 19th century, with the process of pasteurization allowing the mass manufacture and storage of goods and the integration of a global food and drink market. Wine could be made in france, transported to the US, and stored for years without health risks. Similarly, large quantities of milk could be provided to urban centres in quantities and qualities never before seen, as the milk wouldn't spoil in a few days. Innovations like these were what drove up the quality of life in living in urban communities, and facilitated urbanisation. This process of food and drink processing was entirely developed in europe, and a good 75 years before the end of the world wars

>>11499822
Stop trying to portray your views as the rest of the world. People who are into cheese around the world recognize craft singles preeminence. You don't need to like it, but you can't just act like it isn't true because you don't agree with it

The fact is, even if you prefer cheese that is actually cheese, you are still better off in America. Americans just have access to an absurd variety of modern and legacy styles of orange saturated cheese made to a very high standard

>>11498902
>>11498934
How many American craft beers have you tried to come to the conclusion that they're all bad? Is it anything other than your AMERICA BAD programming?

>>11499135
>since the 1980s
Ehhh, OP has definitely been living under a rock if he thinks the US beer renaissance started 5 years ago, but you've definitely overshot. The mere existence of Anchor Steam and SNPA definitely did not make the US a top beer producer in the '80s.

>>11499896
I shouldn't use the word definitely so often.

>>11499871
It is my view and literally every other source any of us have been able to find.

I'll say it again. Try going to the untappd rankings and filter it by various countries, you will note that all of us pretty much agree on what types of beer are the best. I am sure if anyone else agreed with you you would have found some sources that at least mildly supported your worldview, but you cannot because its just not a thin

>>11499871
Its always great when you have to resort to weird strawmen instead of actually supporting your own point

>>11499905
Definitely

>>11498885
It's like we do with everything. Steal that shit from other cultures and make it better than the original. See:
>pizza
>wine
>chinese
>burritos
>endless other examples

>>11499925
its not stealing when the people who make the stuff willing move to America and then become better because of it

>>11499925
>wine
Is American Wine good or something? Haven't heard this one before.

>>11499910
>Try going to the untappd rankings and filter it by various countries, you will note that all of us pretty much agree on what types of beer are the best.
link?
the link you provided can filter by country, but doing so provides the globally highest rated beers brewed in that country.

>>11499925
Film
Music
Mass shootings
Healthcare
Obesity
Big titty goth gfs

We have the best beer without a doubt, anything else is just contrarian. We do everything better, including lagers.

>>11499933
It's been good since the 70s

>>11499925
>american chinese
ah, the classic [MEAT] fried in sugar sauce served with rice
truly the thinking mans food for a developed palate

Yeah, Napa valley makes the best wine in the world

>>11499941
Except Chess because Caruana the memorization bot is fucked

>>11499930
I agree 100% actually. Though we're even better at stealing.
>>11499933
Yes, for a couple decades now. And the French flipped their shit in impotent shame once our wines started to be more highly rated than their own.

>>11499952
It's not high brow, but it's better than the piss eggs and gutter oil they eat in China.

>>11499936
Thats what I was referring to. Surely most of the ratings of any beer are by the people who live there

>>11499954
Meant for
>>11499933
Fuck, sometimes I get down on America but we really are awesome

>>11499952
Dude I lived in china for two years, their cuisine is absolute fucking DOGSHIT and they eat like disgusting wild animals. You like eating insects and fertilzed eggs and dogs and toads and other disgusting shit that they eat up without hesitation? American Chinese is infinitely better.

>>11499965
if you go to the belguim filter option, it lists the highest rating breweries in belgium, as voted by all the users of the site. This is not helpful for comparing different countries tastes, the filtering would need to be done at the user location instead of at the brewery location

>>11499983
Thats would of course be more direct and useful, but as is it is still pretty useful

>>11499971
Yeah, no country is perfect, but I've done a shitload of travelling, and hands down America has the best food and drink in the world.
>>11499925
Because of this. We bring in the ballsiest natives from every corner of the world and then they start innovating when not bound to the traditions of their homeland.

>>11500004
Then they get fat and useless 2 generations later

>>11499933
>>11499949
>>11499959
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Paris_(wine)

>>11500011
still works to our benefit

>>11500011
The food is just that good, heh

>>11499949
>>11499959
>>11499971
Can you recommend me some American wines, and I'll see if I can get them in Ontario?

>>11500026
I don't want a wine snob to start nitpicking me into another dimension, so here is this:
https://www.totalwine.com/top-20-wines-of-2017

>>11500082
Well dang, looks like literally none of these are available to me. Closest we get is the Josh Cellars one, we get the regular cabernet sauvignon, but not the family reserve. Unfortunate!

>>11500126
I've never tried buying wine over the internet, but surely that's a thing? Won't at least some of them just ship it to you?
I mean I got a bottle of absinthe shipped in from Europe no problem back when it was still illegal. (Most overrated shit of all time btw).

>>11498885
>Like 5-10 years ago people thought USA had shitty/generic booze
It still does, but the American craft beer scene has indeed gotten huge in the last decade or so. Europoors are still drinking their glorified 6.5% ABV wheat ales while we're sippin' on them imperial IPAs.

American craft ale is absolutely /nextlevel/ right now. I'd hate to be so blinded by my hatred for a country I've never been to and know almost nothing about that I unironically thought otherwise.

>>11500139
No man, wine sales in Ontario are a government monopoly. I think you can technically place an order through them for whatever you want, but to do so economically, you need to order about a crate.
>absinthe while it was still illegal
Ha, I remember when I was in high school, and we thought it was a hallucinogen.

just came here to say that anyone who finds ipa to be "too bitter" has a shitty sense of taste and is unable to enjoy a truly complex and interesting beer. just stick to your vanilla bean porters and coffee stouts, tastelets.

>>11500167
Most IPAs aren't too bitter but have the wrong kind of bitterness. I enjoy eating unsweetened chocolate, but most IPAs just don't taste good. Only had like one or two that were actually good.

>>11500167
I think it more has to do with people's sugar-addiction. people love sugar so fucking much they dislike anything that isn't disgustingly sweet. I like bitter beers because I entirely swore off syrup-sodas and junk food in my teens, but someone who's been drinking coca-cola on a regular basis for the past 10 years is gonna have a hard time enjoying a beer with primarily hoppy, floral, pine, and grapefruit notes.

>>11500165
>No man, wine sales in Ontario are a government monopoly.
Ah damn that sucks.
>Ha, I remember when I was in high school, and we thought it was a hallucinogen.
heh same, and then we very quickly realized that it's just shitty strong booze that tastes like anise, and god damn there are so many fucking people lying about tripping balls on absinthe

>>11500194
>the wrong kind of bitterness
care to elaborate? no offense but you seem like a tastelet talking like that. on one hand I can assume you've only had shitty ipas because personally I've tried hundreds of them, and most range from disappointing to utter shit. on the other hand, maybe you're just a tastelet who doesn't know what they're talking about, the kind of person who tries like 3 ipas then swears them off because their babby-tastebuds can't handle a man's drink

>people thought USA had shitty/generic booze
Only europoors ever thought this, and they still do because they're not misinformed. Also keep in mind a lot of europoors love to "troll" by spouting the same tired bullshit over and over again. Anyone who's lived in America and has first-hand experience with the craft brew scene will not think poorly of it.

>>11498885
Have you been living under a rock?
Your post would've made more sense of you made it in like 2010.

>>11500194
nah, most IPA is good, especially as you get further from California

>>11500212
Dunno how to explain it exactly. Some types of bitterness seem to stay in the mouth which is okay, while others seem to make my stomach feel bitter which almost feels like being sick. Like I said I enjoy unsweetened chocolate, and strong unsweetened coffee too, but most IPAs seem to have the latter kind of bitterness, although not all. I prefer strong stouts but have noticed some also having the wrong kind of bitterness.

>>11499496
You've never tasted anything else than import did you?

ITT: BRAINLETS AND DUNNING-KRUEGERS HAND IN HAND

>MERIMUTTS THINK THEY GET GOOD YURO BEER FROM IMPORTS
>THEY THINK IT'S NOT BOTTOM OF THE BARREL TRASH THAT THEY GET
>implying we don't keep the best for ourselves.

Enjoy you hipster pisswater, would bet on my net worth that i can make better beer in my basement than 98% of your shitty "craft".

>>11499616
Yes because i definately need that pumpkin spice triple frappucino flavoured ipa.

>>11498885
It's getting to the point where it's become a bubble.
It's one thing to have one or two local breweries/brewpubs to support. It's another when the area is saturated with them and all of them make more mother fucking god damned IPAs.

>>11500730
I hate how she pouted that one out. WHO THE FUCK POURS ONE OUT DIRECTLY AND NOT TO THE SIDE OF THE GLASS??? AND WHO DOESN'T DRINK BEER FROM MUG?? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>11500764
That's a common lager glass here.

>>11498885
Ummmm, no. 'Murican beer, even the micros, is not that great. Sad thing the growing 'trend' of US micros's is pushing out good brands from Europe. Having a hard time finding a six pack of Pilsner Urquel or a bottle of Sam Smith's Oatmeal Stout. Shameful really, if you like good beer.

>>11498885
The renaissance started a while back, OP. At this point we're well into the Rococo period of brewing in the USA.

>>11498885
everyone is a 'homebrewer' and everyone hops the fuck out of their beer