/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>11515043
>Cherry tomatoes
>Strawberries
Really living on the edge if ketosis is your goal

>>11515062
strawberries really are not the worse, although blackberries are better or even rasps

>>11515062
The carbs in strawberries are almost all fiber, so they're ok for keto as long as you dont go overboard with them. Three strawberries is not overboard.

Keto = eggs every morning the “diet”

>>11515043
>lol I can eat as many burgers as I want as long as they don't have buns
the diet

>>11515043
When will you niggers learn that fad diets are retarded and unsustainable

>>11515043
half of those foods aren't keto

i'm on a kino only diet, brehs. any suggestions?

>>11515043
>Is this shit still a thing?
Unfortunately. It's like the perfect conceptual bait for conspiracy theorist types who can't ever accept a premise as straightforward as "weight is determined by calories." And for pseuds who really like having a scientific sounding term like ketosis to throw around, even better that they get to shorten it to the buzzword "keto" and feel like they've been initiated into the arcane secrets of metabolism and health that the establishment doesn't want you to know about.

>>11515396
I suggest going back to /tv/

>>11515388
If they were better at discerning fact from bullshit and making good long term decisions they probably wouldn't be needing to look into diets of any sort in the first place.

>>11515043
>dieting
haha sucks for you fatties

>>11515410
I'm on it just to upset you.

>>11515375
Not really. It's more like the "green veggies for every meal and then some fatty stuff too" diet. Eggs every morning is good though.

>>11515410
Everyone knows CICO, dumbass. What makes keto good is that all that fat makes you stop wanting to inhale everything in sight, which means less calories overall.

imagine just eating a whole raw avocado

>>11515043
It was never a thing.

>>11515043
>eating sugar

>eating vegetables or fruit ever
lmao

>>11515600
The vast majority of keto advocates don't seem to believe in or understand CICO.

never fails to happen when my fat family gets together and all of them are talking about the newest gimmick in their perpetual diet

and then there's me who is actually in shape, and when I correct their misconceptions about weight loss and health they all attack me saying I'm wrong. because clearly what they are doing is working so well for them

like tonight for example the conversation was about keto. "Oh yes I'm going to try that!"
well yeah you're going to probably lose weight but its very rough on your body to do it that way, it creates a very acidic environment and is hard on your kidneys. then suddenly all these heifers
NO NO NO NO NO ITS NOT BAD FOR JUST LOSING A FEW POUNDS!!!!

sure, but you're nearly 100 pounds over weight, that's not a few pounds, that's long term and you're putting yourself in danger of ketoacidosis, especially coupled with the fact you're at a minimum pre-diabetic and on high cholesterol meds, the steak and butter diet you're all laughing about going on tonight isn't a great idea

suddenly I'm the jerk for telling the truth

Literally 0 of the meals in OP pic are keto. Example of an actual keto diet:
brekkie
>6 eggs
>6 strips of bacon
lunch
>skip
dinner
>salmon fillet
>6 eggs

>how do we make this diet look more appetizing?
>I know, let's just add a shit ton of avocado
I like avocados as much as the next guy but eating two of those fuckers a day is going to be expensive as fuck.

>>11515043
why are people so mad that ketosis works

>>11516016
They hated Jesus because he told the truth

>>11516023
good luck with the cholesterol

>>11516016
you're doing god's work anon
and you will be rewarded in valhalla with the virgins promised

>>11515043
Is that salad with romain? Ecoli poisoning will really knock the pounds off!

>>11516041
It tastes like rotten mozzarella for me. Or overcooked eggs without the actual taste. Can't stand avocados outside of my guacamole, apso can't stand people who call it the second coming of fucking fruit christ.

>>11515043
calories are a meme
you can lose weight eating 5000+ a day
sub 200 lbs btw

>>11516016
And you told them nothing about avoiding acidity I'm sure. Too high on your own supply.

>>11516074
>cholesterol from food
>affecting blood cholesterol levels
not even worth a brainlet wojack

>>11516223
>avoiding acidity
Maybe try eating a normal variety of sensible foods instead of falling for meme diets. That might help.

>>11516229
Drugs blocking dietary cholesterol absorption reliably lower blood cholesterol you gullible fad diet consuming retard.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/14620392/
>Ezetimibe inhibits the absorption of biliary and dietary cholesterol from the small intestine without affecting the absorption of fat-soluble vitamins, triglycerides, or bile acids.
>When given as monotherapy or in combination with statins or fenofibrate, ezetimibe reduces low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL) by 15-20% while increasing high-density lipoprotein cholesterol by 2.5-5%.

One of these days someone will actually post recipes instead of having another thread divulge into bitching about keto and CICO with special guest that vegan/vegetarian faggot.

>>11515043
>Keto
>Is this shit still a thing?

No they patched it in 3.1, humans need carbs now to grow the new rubber hackle.

>>11516282
>fallaciously appealing to corrupt medical authorities
>believing kiked (((science)))
>not being a zero carb carnivore in 2018

shiggity diggers mcdoodoo

>>11516122
Yes you can, but only if you supplement your diet with a healthy dose of laxatives or if you're tru-hiking the Appalachian trail.

>>11516229
Never fails to amaze me how stupid you all are

I bet that none of you could remotely even off cite a single study that displays dietary not raising serum let alone explain any methodology to the research behind it

>>11515396
Sneed

>>11516722
i don't totally understand the Y-axis

>>11515043
the funny thing is. I just checked on wed. and I in ketotis. But I'm not doing a keto diet. I am not eating grains or starch, but i am still eating enough carbs in onions and tomatoes that my carbs are above 100g. and i am eating <1500 cal a day and i peed on the keto stic and it's purple

>>11516066
any diet where you eat at a calorie deficit will work. i've lost weight eating same foods I suually eat, just less

>>11516699
>"corrupt medical authorities" are faking the finding that blood cholesterol goes down when you block absorption of dietary cholesterol
How would that even be possible? Is the government secretly tampering with your cholesterol tests every time they notice you taking a cholesterol blocker?

>>11516002
oh they understand it just fine, its just that keto diets make CICO almost irrelevant, you may as well whinge about how automobile drivers don't understand the importance of using your back muscles when shovelling horse manure - that this is factually true does not make it useful.

>>11516122
ok, sure

>>11516928
>keto diets make CICO almost irrelevant
How exactly?

>>11515390
which half, oh wise one?
>>11516023
you jelly, mate? the only one that is questionable is the dessert bar, but without seeing the label it could very well be keto.

>>11516722
>cite a single study
let me guess, you posted that graphic without actually looking at it? or somewhat less generously you did look at it but are too stupid to understand it?

>>11516945
You have absolutely nothing to refute what I posted so you pretend to know what you’re talking about by just claiming I’m wrong in a snide pretentious manner hoping someone takes that as a substitute to an actual argument.

>>11516863
If you're not a type 2 diabetic then you go into regularly - pretty much every night, and some people will even drop into mild ketosis between lunch and supper. ever see those snickers commercials where a snickers bar makes an iill-tempered fellow feel better? that 4pm out-of-sorts feeling is an indicator that your body is switching into ketosis, its one of the early symptoms of "keto flu", and the snickers bar works because it promptly kicks you out of ketosis. type 2 diabetics *don't* go into ketosis at night, which is one reason (though not the only one) they tend to be fat. if you aren't type 2 then you don't need a keto diet to lose weight because your body goes into ketosis anyway within hours after a meal, if you are type 2 diabetic then you have to be careful not to eat anything that will keep you out of ketosis, this is where the meme keto diets come in handy.

>>11516952
>posts an even more damning version of the graphic
so yes, you really are that retarded.

>>11516963
>does the exact thing I just said

Poetic

>>11516952
People like him fell for some fad diet writer (ab)using that study to argue that because the expected increase in blood cholesterol from dietary cholesterol flattens out if your baseline blood cholesterol is high enough, this somehow means dietary cholesterol doesn't matter.
Of course if we look at the study itself the author never comes anywhere close to agreeing with that retarded fad diet revisionist take orchestrated specifically to sell e-books to gullible idiots:
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.549.6029&rep=rep1&type=pdf
>Serum cholesterol concentration is clearly increased by added dietary cholesterol but the magnitude of predicted change is modulated by baseline dietary cholesterol.

>>11516963
Just stop posting, this is getting embarrassing.

>>11516969
Exactly. It’s them being completely illiterate and easily manipulated. I can’t count the amount of times people quoted Ancel Keys explaining this exact mechanism as some form of proof that dietary cholesterol is irrelevant. Funny how they start to believe Keys when they think it fits their narrative.

>>11516936
the fruit, the pasta and the ice cream

>>11515396
For me, it's the mcChicken. The most kino of fast food sandwiches

>>11516921
Do you even metabolic science? It's about the LDL/HDL ratio, not the serum totals. You sound like "hurf durf muh eggs cholesterol" right now. Check out the controversy over Shawn Baker's bloodwork to get half a clue about what you're trying to argue. Do you really think a wolf biting through your neck gives a single flying fuck about some sniveling kike's cholesterol test results? Didn't think so. Eat meat, drink water, abandon all dietary propaganda. Simple stuff. Stop complicating the debate with ambiguous science that isn't even relevant. Look at the carnivorous and even some keto transformations people are making and try to keep arguing.

>>11515410
>eats 3000 "calories" of sugar and wheat flour per day
>gets fat and dies early of malnutritional disease

>be me
>eat 4500 calories of animal fat and protein exclusively per day
>be well nourished, lean, healthy, and happy for well over 100 years

Calories are stupider than your jewish face. Are you lighting that shit on fire in your guts with an internal combustion engine? How many newtons of force are in your "superfood smoothie?" Get out and never come back.

Calorie counting should be medically classified as neurosis. When you get hungry, eat meat. I ain't gotta explain shit. Just eat the damn meat and shut up.

>>11517003
>Shawn Baker’s test results

For me, it’s diabetes

>>11517003
For me it’s diabetes with a side of low test

>>11517003
t. woke high school dropout

>>11515410
It's more than just CICO. It's true that 100 calories of cake and an apple are still 100 calories, but only one is going to make you gain more fat.

>>11516041
Not when you are only eating a few times p/week.

I really miss doing keto. I stopped doing it because I'm afraid of how understudied it is, but I actually loved eating that way and felt really good.

I'm doing almost the opposite right now, pescetarian for the last 3 months with most of my protein from legumes and I feel like shit honestly. My body constantly feels kind of terrible and I'm getting depressed all the time.

>>11517051
>pescetarian with most of my protein from legumes
what made you think that it was a good idea?

>>11517003
Also you went from “it doesn’t raise serum!!” to “it’s about the ratio!!” conveniently ignoring his LDL is twice the optimal range limit

>be ketard chasing maximum blood ketone levels for fat burning
>have extremely inefficient metabolism at 99:1:0 fat:protein:carb ratio
>be protein deficient
>have protein phobia and calorie neurosis
>swill back a gallon of MCT oil coffee per day to piss away 9001 mmol/L of ketones
>only eat pork rinds, butter, MCT, and exogenous ketone supplements
>spontaneously combust

Just eat meat and drink water. It's not that complicated. You don't need excessive keys when you only have so many locks. Once returned to the natural human diet, the body only produces the amount of ketones it needs to power the brain. Glucose is then only manufactured in extremely small quantities via gluconeogenesis to power red blood cells. Blood sugar remains constant 24/7. If you've never experienced living in a body with no inflammation from exogenous glucose and insulin, you are missing out. It's like waking up from a lifelong bender after your brain switches off the shit fuel onto high octane.

>>11517028
>>11517033
These are actual bots. I'm highlighting how stupid it is trying to criticize Shawn Baker for being "diabetic" and "low test" on PAPER while he's deadlifting 500+lbs and peaking in athletic performance in his 50s. Just look at the guy. Look what he does in the gym. Are you gonna call him by what the jew test says or what you fucking perceive with your senses. The man could practically tear a structurally compromised vegan limb from limb with his bear hands. Get it yet? Thanks for digging your own grave, dumb bots. This should awaken people not just to carnivory, but also the rampant hashed image propaganda botposting.

>>11517062
His LDL and overall non HDL cholesterol is absurd. HDL isn’t going to save you from a tube of toothpaste worth of LDL

>>11517062
Alright alright you got me. I shouldn't even engage your stupid jewish numbers game at all. My test results probably look like shit too, but I feel better than I ever have in my life and all my symptoms are going away.

>>11517063
You are an NPC

>eat meat
>meat good
>vegetables yuck
>vegan gay
>paradox no compute, alt-shift

You just said serum didn’t matter. Then you shifted and said it was ratio, then you said his bloodwork was great, then you shifted and said it didn’t matter. He’d be as braindead as you are without the copious amounts of steroids he admits to taking. This isn’t on paper, it’s in blood you turbokike. Lifting doesn’t make you not low test or not diabetic

meatheals.com

A mean bean cleaver with a razor's edge
I'm a vegan dream eater meat mother lovin' laser sledge
Cunning linguist spinning hits
Running rings wistfully around you while I'm winning this
Fuck your copypasta
I bring the meat blaster
On a beat I kick it faster
I'm the rhymin' everlaster

Carnivore bitches are delicious (mmm)
Not too vicious (mhm)
I don't wanna wash no dishes (mm mm)
I bring the meat up on the beat (eat me baby)
There's no carbage in my kitchens (teach me baby)
That garbage I'm ditchin' (impeach me baby)
Cause the meat up in my kitchen's firin' up the heat in my metabolism
I think I might skeet skeet skeet skeet along to the meat beat
This is meat rehabolism
Sync'd to the mother lovin' beat of this song
It's fat-adapted fab-o-lism
Try a little dabble-ism
With yo mother or yo sister man I bring the meat up all night long in conversation
All across the nation and on every street
To the beat of this song yeah I fire up your grill and bring the heat
With yo daughter I'ma feed her meat until she tweet about it
I think she might tweet tweet tweet tweet along to the meat beat
All across the internation
You don't need to bring the heat about it

I see you creepin'
Don't ever doubt it
Peep-peepin' along
While I'm mother lovin' bone in raw discussion 'tryna educate
You’re bakin' sweet cakes in the oven?
Watchin' feet pornicate?
What about the babymakin’?
No carbs it ain't complicate
I bring the beef and the bacon
For all the lambs
My teeth like percussion
I don't spread no jams
The meat that I masticate
Spreadin' like my dope jams
Keeps me off my tater-tate

Straight trippin' on mind boggled JP lobsta ethics
You's a blind goggled sucka' G
Now I'm dippin' with all 'ya hos and tricks
Meat mobsta on my flow I'm on my death mix
For my homies in the Carnivore Clan
I'll lend your girl a hand and teach her more and more
She can listen to my feature while she eat'cha
I don't have to meet'cha to meat'cha

meatheals.com

>>11517070
Is that what your fifth personality tells you? You’re just admitting you have no argument. You’re going to rot in the ground worse than any meat.

>>11516996
Strawberries are fine in moderation, which 3 strawberries certainly is.
The "pasta" is zucchini.
The ice cream thing is a complete unknown, but it's likely some kind of frozen fat bomb.

>>11517060
Doctors almost universally recommend diets low in meat and saturated fat and high in plant based protein for health. By eating keto I was basically ignoring medicine in favor of anecdotal evidence... even though my experience corroborated that evidence.

>>11517076
I'm just penetration testing your malevolent machine algorithms. I'm farming (you)s while I prepare the big guns. When people try and experience it for themselves it's simply irrefutable. Any publicity is good publicity. I'm my own living proof. Remind me not to fall for your shitty bait next time.

>>11517079
Bro... Chill... Why are you SO passionate about preventing people from experiencing carnivory? I just want people to feel good. Argument be damned. I'm an animal, I ain't gotta explain shit.

>>11515396
Barry Lyndon

my gf is currently eating keto. has helped resolve most of her depression issues, shes lost a good amount of weight and looks extra cute now, and has to cook in aome clever ways/makes different things, like the famous “mug cake”.

i just eat notmally, but i really dig her new cooking. also exposes me to some neat cool new stiff, and we arent stivking sugar in everything. I dig it.

only thing that bugs me is that when i eventually get her pregnant, i hope she at least temporarily eats normally. am quite afeared ketonis not nitritionally all that good, or at least doesnt provide all of whats needed to form a healthy human.

keto is pretty aight though. a year of heavy drinking and now being clean, i get a litte worried the hihh fat content may fuck my liver up. but its good.

>>11517103
>im merely PRETENDING

Sure.

>>11515377
Not true anon. Clearly a nigger as you dont know how to read. Keto you can only have so much protein a day. Would advise researching before you try to sound like an educated white man

>>11516122
>my body is magic, guys

>>11516935
he's talking out of his ass

>>11517017
you keto fags are just as retarded as vegan fags

Everyone I have ever known on keto has been fat and stayed fat. Meanwhile anyone I know who has lost a significant amount of weight has done so by eating "normal" diet in reasonable portion sizes, and following an appropriate exercise routine. Fitness and losing weight is not so confusing, but it's just not easy.

Keto to me is recognizing you are fat and need to change something, but taking the easy way out. The proof is in my anecdotal pudding. Keto doesn't work. You are what you eat. If you eat mostly fat, you will be fat until you exercise and balance your diet.

CICO and exercise focused on burning calories (running, cycling, swimming) must be the foundation for any weight loss program.

>>11517371
Ive lost 70 lbs on Keto eating cheese filled chicken breasts and oil-fried vegetables, the diet works fine if somebody isnt losing weight on keto theyre either eating 0 greens or aren't actually cutting carbs from drinks.

>>11515043
Yea but OP's food isn't keto. And im not talking about the memeballs or the memetti

>>11517017
>thermodynamics are fake
>the body has no calculable processes to convert chemical energy into work
>caloric expenditure cannot be calculated by measuring oxygen consumption

You never even went to college, let alone university, did you?

>>11517017
>calorie counting is neurosis
>4500 calories

You don't have to explain shit, so why not just STFU?

>>11517051
it's ironic because high carb diets are actually understudied. humans have eaten mostly animal fat and protein for millions of years. only the last few thousand have we started to introduce carbs. we're experimenting, and seeing the long term health implications of rarely getting into ketosis. it's not pretty.

>>11517094
all research about saturated fat and animal protein was done with 30+ en% carbs, so not applicable to keto.
there is a legit argument against eating only muscle meat: a high methionine:glycine ratio. this is fixed by eating more connective tissue, or taking a glycine supplement (which is a good idea anyway, because humans and large sized animals in general have poor collagen biosynthetis rates due to low dietary glycine intake).

>>11516961

>>11517017

t. fat

>>11515896
>still using this failed meme

>>11515396
Dune

>>11517039
Nope. It may have been true if you picked literally any other example, but you're comparing simple carbs to simple carbs here.

What 100 kcal of cake is gonna make you that the apple wouldn't is *hungry*. 100 kcal of apple is a smallish, whole apple. Slicing 100 kcal of cake is microsurgery.

>>11517017
Keto is a crash diet for fatties who are too lazy to actually watch what they eat and exercise regularly. It is not meant to be followed for extended periods of time. I can't wait until all of you ketofags begin to die off from kidney failure, you're the most obnoxious fad-dieters this world has ever seen.

>>11518742
lol u mad

my girlfriend is paleo am am keto, we are both healthy, sex is amazing and we are very intelligent. Optimal body and mind function

>>11518792
>my girlfriend is paleo am am keto
>very intelligent

>>11518792
ok bud

>>11515043
You'll drop a fuck ton of weight quick. But once you come off it you'll just gain it all back

>>11519474
why would you come off it?

>>11520097
Not him, but:
A) A lot of fat people relapse regardless of the diet they choose and
B) The ketogenic diet in particular is notorious for being poorly tolerated with very high dropout rates in studies even when the subjects in question have serious problems like epilepsy or diabetes that the diet is helping with.
Part of this issue depends on how much your personal interpretation of a "keto diet" is actually comparable to the real ketogenic diet used in the past for controlling epilepsy / diabetes. There's good reason to suspect most people without serious medical problems who claim to be doing "keto diets" aren't doing the same rigorously controlled diet as epileptics and diabetics of those studies try to do, in which case compliance wouldn't be as much of a concern because you weren't even complying with the real thing to begin with.

>>11515043
Who cares if it's a "thing"? Try it. You'll think better. Feel better. Your immune system will be more effective. Your stamina will be greatly heightened. You'll be less likely to develop cancer. Your erections might be harder. You might even lose some weight.

>>11520132
keto used for epilepsy is different than for diabetes.
most of the problems of keto for epilepsy come from low protein and high MCT. just eating fatty meat, eggs, and cheese is easy, and works for obesity/diabetes/general health.
for epilepsy, 80/20 or 85/15 works if you're taking a BCAA, glycine, and MCT supplement, and eat zero carbs.

>>11517177
what if I'm an educated black man?

>>11520132
so I disagree with B), but A) is true.
But I think A) is the fault of the environment/society, not the individual.

>>11515043
i love carbs too much to do keto. I just eat an appropriate portion of food