/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>11572065
College degree in Medieval History here.

If you are referring to Europe, shit tons of very weak (by today's standards) ale and bread, supplemented by whatever game birds and pork you can scrounge up, depending on your socio-economic status. Some vegetables, almost no fruit, unless in Southern Europe, then more fruit available.

Great thread!

>>11572116
You must be real fun at parties

>>11572127
wtf you talking about. fun thread, trying to contribute

Macca's

>>11572065
if those picked herrings are anything like the kippered ones you get at the grocery store, ill take a bowlful of those.

>>11572116
This doesn't really say anything. There's nothing surprising at the idea that they were eating bread meat and vegetables. Glad you really got your worth out of that college degree, though

>>11572065
Fish from one of the many artificial ponds common during that era

>>11572065
People basically ate porridge for breakfast, lunch and (possibly) evening supper here 24/7, so yeah, that.

>>11572116
damn. if i was living in the middle ages i'd kms.

>>11572140
I believe in education for education's sake. So, yeah, I did. Please kill yourself, immediately

>>11572065
Goose and Beaver meat, it counts as fish for Lent and Friday, the Pope says so

>>11572152
The joke is that you must have learned very little if that's all you have to contribute, though this exchange has me thinking I may have been ungenerous to your professors. I'm sure they tried very hard.

Quail have been domesticated for thousands of years.

>>11572158
ok, fine, you turbonigger faggot. If you were living in England or far Western Europe (Spain, Portugal) after 800 C.E. you would have probably had access to lamb or mutton as well. In Scotand-North Atlantic, a decent, but not great, supply of seafood, at least by today's standards. Lots of pies, and I mean savory pies, not desert pies. Also still kill yourself

>>11572116
My favorite foods in decending order: beer/wine, meat particularly offal sausages, poultry, and fish, vegetables, bread. I'm from southern Europe (Portuguese) so I'm pretty much set living on caldo verde, vinho Verde, and bread. Pretty much how I spend winter now. Medieval times were so comfy its unbelievable how bad of a pop culture rap they get.

>>11572133
they didnt have spices either until the silk road right

>>11572065
>Middle Ages

Big bowl of pottage with some girdle bread and lots of beer.

>>11572173
I think that anon was trying to encourage you to be more descriptive and more /ck/ about it. Like a recipe/meal idea, not a list of available ingredients. I think OP wanted us to have fun making the best food we could out of relatively little with little technology, it is a shame you had to open the thread really. But since you are clearly severely autistic I forgive you anon

>>11572187
no, there were all kinds of spices coming through Italy/Southern Europe for years

>>11572207
thanks fucking nigger

>>11572207
>for years

>>11572187
>>11572207
The Silk Road just was the beginning of the massive trade/effort to track that shit down, Portugese went to China, Brits all over the fucking globe, etc

>>11572187
>>11572207
>>11572212
>>11572213

>until the silk road
The "silk road" was just a loose affiliation of trade networks that predate the birth of Christ. Genghis Khan is often given credit for resurrecting and improving it so trade did markedly increase during that time, but doesn't mark the beginning of trade between east and west. Alexander btfo out of Indians and the Hellenistic age traded on through trade between the seleucids and the wider Hellenistic kingdoms. Most of the elephants used for warfare were probably derived from Indian stock and not African as the former is domesticated while the latter is not. When the Romans and their knack for road building, trade cartels, and seafaring took up the mantle it pushed the trade even further west and at a reduced cost at that. Major breakdowns due to the fall of Rome and then the rise of the caliphate as well as political turmoil in Asia just reduced the trade but once Genghis solidified hegemony in the east and the Byzantines and Muslims beat each other to death the more western Europe and were able to step into the void and expand the flow again.

>>11572140
>>11572116
yeah, it doesnt sound like anything informative enough to warrant investment into your degree. poor people ate poor people food, the beers week, vegetation availability dispersed.

cooking methods? cooking styles? methods of preservation and rehydration? no cheeses? youre fucked buddy

>>11572065
ya mother's pussy

>>11572282
thanks for the history lessons, hopefully you arent LARPing from /pol/

>>11572116
>College degree in Medieval History here
imagine willfully volunteering this information to other people like it's a good thing

>>11572138
kippers are smoked

>>11572303
Nope not not from /pol/ just love history. I don't think there are pure actors in history either everyone was just making decisions based on the best information they had at the time and in their own self interest.

>>11572322
Correct. The Great Man theory of history is bullshit

>>11572065
Well if im in the land of my ancestors in medieval west africa then probably some fish fried in palm oil or some millet. When Ibn Battua visited the Mali empire he recorded some of what they ate
>I went on . . . to Gawgaw [Gaogao], which is a large city on the Nile [Niger], and one of the finest towns in the Negrolands. It is also one of their biggest and best-provisioned towns, with rice in plenty, milk, and fish, and there is a species of cucumber there called "inani" which has no equal.
>The repast was served--some pounded millet mixed with a little honey and milk, put in a half calabash shaped like a large bowl.

>>11572440
The food In 1300s Somalia doesn't seem that bad according to Ibn Battua
>The Sultan ordered Battuta to stay in the house reserved for Islamic students, and sent him food. Battuta described the food in detail as rice topped with butter ("ghee") and a sauce containing meat, chicken, fish and vegetables. They also served unripened banana cooked in milk. sour milk with pickled lemon, bunches of pickled chillies with vinegar and salt, green ginger, and mangoes. [COMMENT: Butter (ghee) was the best method for preserving milk in areas that had no refrigeration.]

Battuta noted that the people of Mogadishu ate as much as a whole group from Arabia, and they were "extremely large and fat of body."

>>11572440
>>11572448
Neat.

>>11572127
>you must be real fun at parties
this is the mentality of a redditor

>>11572486
This.
>be me
>go to adult parties
>have fun and interesting conversations with many people there because being interested in history in general has led to a broad knowledge base and I'm able to at least ask relevant questions and never be one sided participant

>>11572486
>>11572517
Thank you.

>>11572517
sounds much better than being a mathematician
>what do you do?
>huh? i'm a math researcher
>OH WHATS 78321*2993?!
>Oh, I hated math
>What do you even do, find more digits of pi?
this last one is the worst one because they've opened themselves up to me telling them what i do, which immediately kills the conversation
>i study asymptotic stability of closed orbits in suspensions of discrete time dynamical systems to analyze number theoretic results such as regularity in continued fraction expansions of different algebraic numbers
>uh... ok cool! i'm gonna go get some more food :)

>>11572127
fuck off

>>11572065
>pickled white herrings
We call acorns in America.

>>11572553
Would smoke a blunt with you and have you blow my mind senpai.

>>11572553
would suck your cock and blow bleach smelling spit bubbles

>>11572127
Christ what a faggot we have here, folks. Mocking an intelligent post, must be a zoomer

>>11572590
-_-

>>11572305
>chasing some degree for the sole purpose of money
>getting a degree in something that you truly enjoy and appreciate
Guess how I know he's the happier person? Faggot

>>11572667
Eugh, even as a pissant level electrical engineer this annoys me.
>Gfs dudesciencelmao brother comes over really fuckin high man XD
>Asks me to explain some stuff to him
>Explain quantum tunneling because it has the cool word in it's name, explain the basics of transistors and some other basic level shit
>45 minutes later he goes whoa I didn't understand any of that lol
Yeah no shit you didn't.

>>11572667
And what if he's not a degenerate druggie?

>>11572187
You'd be surprised what spices you can find native to europe.

>>11572699
Truth. I'm happy, and I was psyched to see a thread where I could contribute

>>11572065
The queen’s pussy haha

>>11572700
stupid engie never speak for me again
but yeah you're right i don't really want to talk about math i already have to talk about that all the time with people who are smarter than i am
usually i just misdirect and get people to talk about themselves cause people like to do that
btw ee is based, some of the best math gets in there like dynamical systems and fourier analysis. congrats on being part of the engineering nobility

>>11572065
yo why do the pickled herrings look like nuts

>>11572714
Based cunnilingusposter

>>11572065
my wife's pussy

my boyfriends asshole
i'm gay btw in case that matters

>>11572702
I don't mind I'm not a peer pressure type. He seems like the kind of guy who would eventually find his way to the backyard where I'll be with my blunt and brew and weed helps my abstract thinking so I'd probably ask if that stuff relates to string theory or whatever and see how it goes. I'd just listen basically and probably not understand everything but I'd probably learn something and that's enjoyable to me and he gets a quiet place to sit and look busy while talking about something he's interested in to escape the more cacophonous and social anxiety inducing indoors.

all I give a FUCK about is killing cumans so I live off of marigold decoctions and when I'm feeling really hungry I treat myself to a lazarus potion.

>>11572788
Seems esoteric pls explain

>>11572138
Gefilte fish

>>11572116
>College degree in Medieval History
holy shit neck yourself

>>11572282
Romans were shit seafarers.

On the plus side your teeth will be in amazingly good shape. Due to a lack of sugar in their diet there'd be little to decay them, and since their diet was made up of such coarse foods it had a tendency to scour the teeth clean.

Unbelievably bad breath though.

>>11572819
This is not true.

>>11572836
It's true in england at least, we have the bones. Their teeth are remarkably well-preserved.

>>11572819
tooth decay was a main cause of death up into the last century, bucko

>>11572844
[citation needed]

>>11572814
Yeah until the first punic war lmao then they built the largest navy in the region and within two generations referred to the Mediterranean as Mare Nostrum (our sea). Most trade was and still is maritime by volume and the Roman trade cartels spent lavishly and profited generously on the construction of fleets of trading ships.

>>11572856
Ok
https://www.wayneoralsurgery.com/blog/what-was-dental-health-like-in-the-middle-ages/
https://phys.org/news/2018-07-british-teeth-potential-insights-ancient.html

If you're curious, the cement-looking stuff in the pic is calcified plaque, which is the reason their breath would smell so bad. The teeth themselves are in pretty good shape though.

>>11572146
kms?
kiss my sister?

>>11572875
Keep in mind this wasn't universal in Europe, but for the average English or Welsh peasant, dysentry was much more likely to kill you than the diseases brought on by toth decay.

>>11572891
anon if i was living in the middle ages i would do more than kiss her, heh

>>11572891
kiss my piss

My family is 99% anglo and apparently they mostly had pottage. I've had pottage, and all I can say is thank god garlic was native to europe because that shit needs some. It's not very pleasant on its own and I'm guessing it's where the british tradition of overboiling food came from.

>>11572921
Actually garlic is native to Iran, but the greeks and romans brought it to europe where it grew there with no issues.

>>11572553
Pretentious/10

>>11572065
D E E N Z

>>11572689
>>11572554
>>11572486
>>11572127
All m e

>>11572065
Besides the bread that looks like asian food

>>11572065
>fried fig pastries were eaten all through lent
>today we eat the mcfish

When will people finally accept how far we've fallen and how much better medieval life was?

>>11572116
>no fruit
because they hadn't been artificially bred yet

>>11572788
FUCK CUMANS, AND FUCK BATHHOUSE WENCHES.

>>11572116
>College degree in Medieval History here.
All the newfags, taking the bait.
Well done, anon, well done.
You wins the internet tonight

>>11573042
This is bait.

>>11572448
>"extremely large and fat of body."
the "Amerifats" of the day.

Wouldn't it be better to be literally be anywhere but Europe to some delicacy? I would figure half the board here would kill themselves if the only meal they ate every day is some porridge, bread, and booze because water tends to be shitty.

>>11573093
Depends on when and where, exactly.
Continental europe had some good shit through trade with the middle east, and even Britain got a shot of spices and fruits in the arm after the Norman invasion

>>11573018
Medieval folks had a bunch of fruit people are mostly unaware of today. Apart from wild varieties of blackberries, raspberries, strawberries, apples, pears etc. they also had stuff like sloes, cherry plums, barberries, medlars, hawberries, sorbs (service tree fruit), gooseberries, seabuckthorn, dog rose hips, chestnuts, strawberry tree fruits, cornels etc.

Of course, most fruit was eaten while in season. Preservation wasn't extremely commonplace, with a handful exceptions (dried figs, apples, apricots, plums, and that's about it), until the appearance of granulated sugar. OTOH, some fruit are inedible (or even outright toxic) when ripe, and must undergo partial decay in order to become consumable. Medlars, service fruit, seabuckthorn, dogrose hips, quinces are several such fruit. So people would pick them, then store them and slowly eat those who became ready for consumption.

>>11573369
Yeah and I might as well just live in the middle east or the eastern asian coast where all the good stuff is at. Maybe if they brought this miracle food earlier to Europe, then I might actually stay in Europe.

>>11572941
what else am i supposed to say? it's not like i'm fucking lying to look smart!

>>11572553
>>11572941
Aww, you made the brainpet feel dumb.

>>11572795
Its from a videogame

Solomon Grundy

>>11572553
I wanted to get in and study fractals back before I got burnt out on academia. Dynamical systems are fun desu

>>11572116
>>11572305
>>11572699
history degree = historiography degree. basically being taught to edit papers and write precis. not as useless as you might think

>>11573994
>fwactals!!!
>chaos!!!!
why oh why is dynamical systems filled with you overbearing pop-math npcs
this is why academia is a good thing, it keeps brainlets OUT

>>11572116
>Medieval History
I too took Western Civ

11 bird roast

>wild duck
>pork roast
>paranips/carrot mash
>steamed cabbage
>buckwheat with butter
>mead and/or beer

>>11572116
>almost no fruit
You went to a shitty college or are bad at reading

>>11572116
>college degree in medieval history
For me, I'll take one mcchicken. The best fast food sandwich. That will be all.

>>11575214
audible_kek.png

>>11572065
Oats and fish

>>11572448
I thought chillies were a new world crop.

>>11572065
Did they have Olive Garden back then? Id most likely be a peasant so I'd find my nearest Olive Garden and order the Chicken Parmigiana.

I got a pretty even split ancestors wise between transilvanian Saxon and Romania with some Hungarian and gypsy in the mix of course, so probably a normal peasant or merchant's diet. So just as anon said beer, bread, porridge and soups supplemented by whatever you could forage on wild vegetables, meat and fish.

>>11572116
>no fruits
lol bullshit, Europe has access to tons of fruits and berries, even in the colder climate. just not in winter and early spring.

>>11572065
most likely a stew, or porridge that's leftover from yesterday. Add some new cabbage, potatoes to keep it going. If you're lucky and there's meat scraps, add that in too.

Mostly vegetables, and a lot of chese, and eggs. Eating meat would be rare, definitely not included in the avg person's daily diet.

>>11575358
>potatoes
Hi, /tg/!

>>11575300
They are. I wonder how reliable that translation is.

>100+ posts
>no mentioning any actual recipes or sources

The absolute state of you all.

Medievalcookery.com has recipes from across Europe broken down by type, date and country. It's a good overview.

Godecookery.com goes into a bit more depth and has more information on medieval food and cooking in general.

Innatthecrossroads.com is GoT based but a good chunk of the recipes are taken directly from historical examples. It's a good starting point and a bit more up to date than the other sites.

The YouTube channel for Hampton Court palace features recreations of medieval and Tudor recipes.


As for cookbooks, there's several surviving examples. However the trouble with books is that only the relatively well off could read and write and afford to compile theurrecipes into a book, so they're not necessarily representative of the food being eaten by the average person.

One of the better know medieval cookbooks is the Forme of Cury, compiled by the cooks of Richard II in the late 14th century. The British Library has a good write up about it (https://blogs.bl.uk/digitisedmanuscripts/2016/12/forme-of-cury-a-medieval-english-cookbook.html)) and a transcript is available online. There's also an excellent docunebtary by Clarissa Dickson-Wright called Clarissa and the Kings Cookbook featuring a modern cook recreating dishes from the text.

My particular favourite medieval cookbook is the Liber Cure Cocorum from the mid 15th century. It has quite a few of the same recipes as the Forme with many new ones as well. It's also written entirely in rhyme and in a northern English accent. It's also one of the first written recipes for haggis. It's available online in middle and modern English (http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/lcc/parallel.html).).

>>11575537
While not entirely a cookbook, Le Menagier De Paris/The Goodman of Paris is an excellent medirval food resource. It's written as a guide for a new wife in a middle class household and has advise on cooking, where to source the best products in the market and general household management. An English translation of most of it available as a preview on Google books.

If you really want to get into medieval food, then the book Cooking and Dining in Medieval England is what you need. In addition ti transcribed and translated recipes it goes into lots of detail about the ingredients, the cooking methods, the equipment, the kitchens and cooks themselves and the ettiquete and ceremony of serving and Dining in a noblemans feast, with tons of illustrations to show each step clearly. It's an absolute doorstopper of a book.

>>11575537
Because medieval cookbooks were not for the average brainlet. They were either written by professional cooks for professional cooks, or by some braggart to show off how much money he has and what lavish dishes his kitchen staff can prepare.
They're not very useful today, since they lack basically everything apart from ingredients and vague descriptions of the procedure.

>>11572065
The flesh of my enemies, preferably braised for an extended period of time - they are not a soft, nor clean people.

>>11575618

That's pretty much what I said yes.

>>11572065
Probably very little considering anyone who wasnt rich was borderline starving and most people were not rich

>>11575631

>people who are starving can perform manual farm labour every day

>>11575349
This. Apples and lingonberry are two right off the top of my head that thrive in abundance in the north.
>>11575631
Oh no it's retarded

http://medievalcookery.com/recipes/

Legit?

>>11575768

Yes. Very. As mentioned Gode Cookery and Inn at the Crossroads are good as well

>>11575768

Also though not strictly medieval, Pass the Garum has a few good Roman recipes.

>>11575768
>>11575771
>subs brains for ground beef
> has a vegan version of Roman meat loaf

GET THIS PSEUD THE FUCK OUTTA HERE AND NEVER SHILL THIS SHIT AGAIN. YES IM FUCKING TRIGGERED

>>11575787

So then cook it with brains if you want?

>>11575637
I guess holocaust victims werent starved and werent forced to do manual labour everyday, that would be ridiculous right haha

>>11575745
I think you are retarded if you think people werent starving.

>>11576025
Considering it's stories made up by great storytellers, it's pretty ridiculous.

>>11575637
>>11575745

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_of_1315%E2%80%9317#Background

Retards

>>11576047
>the "great famine" of 1315 defined an era that spanned nearly 1000 years
Woah brah. And Romans always used layered armor and gladius' too huh?

>>11576034
Considering it's stories made up by great storytellers, it's pretty ridiculous.

>>11576025

And they died in huge numbers in a matter of weeks. Not exactly a comparison.

>>11576047

>localised
>the 14th century is the entire 1000 years of the middle ages

These events are noteworthy precisely because they're much worse than the norm.

>>11576108
t.pedantic retard who was proven wrong by a supeior intellectual

Stay mad.

>>11576145

t. Retard who doesn't understand what words in his own source mean

Seeing as we're being Wikipedia warriors

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_cuisine#Caloric_structure
>The overall caloric intake is subject to some debate. One typical estimate is that an adult peasant male needed 2,900 calories (12,000 kJ) per day, and an adult female needed 2,150 calories (9,000 kJ).[20] Both lower and higher estimates have been proposed. Those engaged in particularly heavy physical labor, as well as sailors and soldiers, may have consumed 3,500 calories (15,000 kJ) or more per day.


What did they mean by this?

>>11572553
Anyone in STEM should be able to explain what they do in layman's terms or at least the end result of their research.

>>11575779
>a few good Roman recipes
even better
thanks

>>11576227
That's not really how math works, anon.

>>11576247

You may also wwant to look up Apicius. He/it is basically the only surviving source that goes into detail about Roman recipes

>>11576277
He's a math fag, of course he's autistic and feels he's superior to everybody about everything, even without reason. He's so smart he can't "dumb it down", he's so autistic he can't generalize, he's so above us all he has this entire thing prepared to say to try and "win" an imaginary competition from somebody daring to give a polite interest in what he does.
fucking idiot, I'd kneecap him on a streetlight and all he'd be able to say is "you better hope i call the lawyer i don't actually have but i've heard that's what you should say in these situations"

>>11576277
That's not how anything works, but you dumb down your field in conversation because everyone specializes in something the layperson wouldn't understand.
If you go around talking in smug abstracts of course people are going to walk away.

>>11572116
Rich people's cuisine could get pretty goddamn wild with a lot of exotic imported spices and strange concoctions like chimeras and savoury puddings. Also, not all ale back then was weak; some old styles could easily surpass 10% ABV, especially in Germany. There's a reason strong ales can also be classified as 'old ales'.

>>11572819
There was a lack of REFINED sugar, but any kind of bread will rot your teeth fairly quickly if you don't clean them. If you look at historical dental records, rates of tooth-decay skyrocketed with the advent of agriculture, accompanied by a general decline in dental health as people weren't exercising their jaws/teeth sufficiently anymore.

>>11576434
Old ale is also known as stale ale, which differentiates it from ale meant to be drunk fresh. You brew it strong and hope a year in the cellar will take the edge off.

>>11576277
Then why even teach it at schools if no one 'gets it'? If you can't even talk about the basic principles underpinning your work, you're a shit teacher who barely understands their own work, not an intellectual prodigy. If people can 'dumb down' quantum physics and computing (different fields, I know) for children, you have no excuse.

>>11572127

>>11576472
True, which is what a lot of breweries used to do back then. They sold this strong ale to taverns/pubs that would then blend it with younger ale to mellow it and sell that, though some of them got smart and simply aged young ale themselves to cut out the middleman.

>>11576047
>>11576094
>>11576108
>>11576145
>>11576155
>>11576179

Imagine getting btfo this hard by people who actually know about history and then crying they're pedantic.

>>11572127
>trying to derail an interesting post

In answer to OP's question, it's the middle ages, so I think I'll try poaching some deer from the lord's estate with my arquebus (that's a crossbow thing, right?)

>>11572065
Cheese, bread, mead and holy scripture. Just chillin with the monks really

>>11572116
How deep in debt are you?

im eating my peas and groats like a good peasant.

trivia i remember from my book on medieval cuisine (obviously based on rich peoples' diet):
> every time you want to improve something, you add almonds and raisins
> you never want to boil anything in water. always a broth or wine
> you often use old bread where you would nowadays just use flour
> you won't waste any meat, so you have more recipes for brains, tails and udders than you fags are used to

>>11572152
>I believe in education for education's sake
OK sweetie, enjoy that job at Starbucks

>>11576463

Also all bread would be stoneground resulting in small bits of grit to be mixed in with the flour that would wear away the teeth. Pic related.

>>11576522
You do you boss. For me it's feeding my backyard hog rotten cabbage and butchering one in the fall and the spring. Probably would swipe a cheeky hare or two from the forest though. Definitely catch me some wild fish. I'd probably fuck off all day

>>11576522
> I think I'll try poaching some deer from the lord's estate with my arquebus (that's a crossbow thing, right?)
It's a gun actually

>>11576629
> you never want to boil anything in water. always a broth or wine
Based and flavorpilled

>>11576522
you're thinking of an arbalest

>>11576800
How do you get a broth without boiling something in water?

>>11572875
>>11572895
What happened to their canines? It seems unusually flat.

>>11576930
>what is a wine reduction?

>>11576629
>and udders
Wut? Lol I've never heard of titty casserole. Pls provide recipe so I can delight my dinner guests

>>11576930
Infinity broth.

>>11577001
Udder rissoles
15-16th century (mostly too late for medieval but what can you do)
Boil half of udder, mince it, add two grated buns, one egg, ginger, mace, raisins, cinnamon and mix it together. Form rissoles and fry them like donuts.
Serve with a sauce made from raisins, dried bread - grinded and mixed with wine or vinegar -, with water and spice: saffron, cinnamon and ginger.

I had to translate and my cooking vocabulary is pretty poor so pls no bully

Since I'm an alpha knight I will be the dragon I just slayed

>>11574087
Sounds fairly useless

>>11577237
Sounds udderly delicious.

>>11573985
that's early modern

>>11576025
How is this a good counter-example? They were all dying of starvation and probably got very little actual work done.

>>11575358
>meat would be rare

Things like deer and cow would be, but fish and game bird were common staples in mideavil diets

Considering I'm of Irish descent, a lot of oats, turnips, rye, curds and whey, butter, bacon, fish, and once in a blue moon some beef or mutton

>>11577237
>two minced tits and two grated buns
Lewd. Finna bouta beat the puss up too.

>>11572065
I've always thought the idea of a medieval diet to be interesting, just really basic food

>>11576973
Eating lots of dried food, hard food, etc. ground all their teeth into molars.

>>11573028
All fucking cumans must fucking hang.

>>11572127
gb2Redditera you subhuman.

>>11572065
Bloody ell mate did amerifats actually eat this?

>>11572065
more pics of medieval food?

>>11574095
I got out because private industry pays better and doesn't have nearly as many insufferable know-it-all fags like you. Enjoy your ivory tower.

>>11572187
No, you clown. Many spices are easily derived from native flora.

>>11572127
Shut up faggot, that was a reasonably interesting post

>>11572065
Probably mostly bread, fried salmon and pea pottage with ale