/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>11669868
>Non-Stick frying pans are dangerous.
so are knives and ovens, but I'm not going to get rid of those either.

the nonstick coating will eventually wear, and its fumes are very hazardous.

>>11670215
>>coating eventually wears
Yeah, and? Everything eventually wears out.

>>Fumes are hazardous
Kind of like how a knife cuts are hazardous? Why would I be afraid of something that only happens if I misuse the tool in question?

>>11669868
Haha so mad you got btfo in the other thread you made a new one. Got any sources yet for your conspiracy theories?

>>11670215
The thermal decomposition products of PDMS (ceramic pans) are relatively mundane and before silicon dioxide (greenpan) thermally decomposes you have bigger problems.

Not all non-stick is teflon, teflon is just the best.

>>11669868
>t. got cast iron set for Christmas, failed to season it and is now shitting on teflon as damage control.

>>11670254
Just season the pan loser it's not that hard

>>11670227
Cast iron never wears out

>>11670318
sure it does. It just takes a crazy long time.

>>11670337
No. Even on a molecular level iron will stop degarding from thermal influence. That's why an iron block engine can be bored and rebuilt as many times as there is safe amount of material left. Can put a million miles of controlled explosions on iron and it won't break, everything else will fall apart around it.

>>11670349
>Even on a molecular level iron will stop degarding from thermal influence.
who said anything about that?

I'm talking about mechanical wear. Just as how an engine block eventually wears out of tolerance from the piston scraping up and down, a cast iron skillet will eventually wear out from friction. Now I do agree it will take an absurdly long time, most likely several centuries of use, but to pretend it will never wear out is silly.

>1962
Anti Teflon fags are getting desperate

any material is safe as long as you don't abuse it

>>11670358
There's relatively little friction happening on a pan. I honestly don't see how you'd wear through one in under a million years.

i’m still alive. explain this.

>>11670489
Yeah but your dick is so small you're trying to flex on /ck/

>>11669868
>antiteflon fags are going to far.
>/1962/

>>11670500
wow you’re projecting now

>>11670413
Maybe it takes 10 million. But it will still happen.

>not owning at least 1 cast iron, 1 stainless and one non stick pan.
Nigga even in my poorest college year i had that setup. What is wrong with you?

Cast iron - unitasker
Teflon - causes cancer
Aluminium - causes brain madness

Stainless steel is the only choice.

>>11670235
First, you never proved me wrong (how could you) and secondly it's not my thread, which you could have realised after clicking the link and seeing that it's yet another source. But keep beeing ignorant, brainlet.

>>11670675
>brain madness

as opposed to...?

>>11670740

Madness of the anus

>>11670778
This, using teflon causes the gay.
You only ever see them using stainless steel at based chick-fil-a.

Isn't this really old news though? I thought everyone was aware of it.

>>11670526
>he doesn't know
Post the link lads

>>11670808
Yes, it is. But the basedboys like to kvetch when faced with bad life decisions and people trying to circumvent that fate. It's like with cigs or weed, no matter the amount of facts pointing to the hazards, it's never enough and only a conspiracy untill some basedautority tells the NPC crowd otherwise.

so stainless or cast iron?
ss304, 306 medical 416 which one?
also, isn't cast iron porous, how2clean?

>>11671512
You simply burn the stuff which sticks onto the pan. It wont get any more hygienic in your kitchen than 230°C.

>>11670413
>I honestly don't see how you'd wear through one in under a million years.
If you had given one to my grandmother she would have worn it out in three years or less. Dont ask me how, but she would have managed it.

>>11671512
Heat pan with oil in it scrub out with dry sponge and salt. Wash sponge with dish soap and wring/rinse out thoroughly. You could also use steel wool then bleach the steel wool if you're crazy about sanitation. (Yes you can recycle it)

>>11670675
>Stainless steel is the only choice.
You know that stainless steel leaches shit into your food too, dont you? Like chromium and other nasty stuff? Keeping food in stainless steel containers overnight is expressly advised against.

>>11670500

Fun fact, frying and eating bacon in/from a cast iron pan does more damage to your body than eating courgette out of a teflon pan for a month.
Stop defending your snobbery with pretend health scares. When you just want to have a cool thing or look better than people.
It's fine to like cooking in cast iron, I prefer it too, but acting like teflon is the next thalidomide just confirms you are a clinical fuckwit.
You are basically the anti-vax mums of /ck/

>>11673311
>Fun fact, frying and eating bacon in/from a cast iron pan does more damage to your body than eating courgette out of a teflon pan for a month.
Source?

>tfw Chinese kitchen eat most things out of clay pots and steam everything else. Even with dangerously unregulated agricultural practices still manage to live longer than most westerners

>>11673305
[citation needed]
There we go again, mr naturalnews.com.

>>11673305
The leeking is sharply reduced after a couple uses and the amounts which leek are still below the recommended (as in needed) daily intake of Cr and Ni. Which means if you don't react allergic to said components it's actually beneficial - unlike teflon.

Stop your fearmongering and distortion of actual facts just because you don't like what the actual ressoure implies.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4284091/

>>11669868
>sister's italian bf scrapes teflon pan with fork or spatula when he cooks with it
w-we're all gonna make it r-right?

>>11670489
It probably has something to do with the cake you ate yesterday

>>11670500
>flex
This is one of the zoomer terms that I hate most.

>>11670675
>unitasker
what that means?

>>11674181
some item that do only one job properly.

>>11673458
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4284091/

>35 fold increase of nickel and chromium compared to food cooked in non-stainless cookware

I'll stay with my cast iron, thanks.

>>11674217
You need around 100 Microgramms of Cr in your daily diet. Your stainless steel pan, even if you cook an acidic sauce in it, will only give you 75% of the recommended intake. This is an actual benefit, not a downside.

teflon's fine

>>11669868
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1958415/pdf/brmedj02864-0082a.pdf

>The cold polymer is harmless on ingestion, in contact with the skin, or implanted in living tissues. When heated above 250' C, it begins slowly to give rise to small amounts of decomposition products, some of which are toxic.

Just don't burn your teflon at 480°F ya moron.

>>11674527
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1210/jc.2018-01855/5158211

>Abstract
>Background
>Considerable attention has been paid to perfluoroalkyl compounds (PFCs) because of their worldwide presence in humans, wildlife, and environment. A wide variety of toxicological effects is well supported in animals, including testicular toxicity and male infertility. For these reasons, the understanding of epidemiological associations and of the molecular mechanisms involved in the endocrine-disrupting properties of PFCs on human reproductive health is a major concern.

>Results
>We found that increased levels of PFCs in plasma and seminal fluid positively correlate with circulating T and with a reduction of semen quality, testicular volume, penile length and AGD. Experimental evidence points towards an antagonistic action of PFOA on the binding of T to AR in gene reporter assay, competition assay on AR-coated SPR chip and AR nuclear translocation assay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorocarbon

>Fluorocarbons, sometimes referred to as perfluorocarbons or PFCs

>Polymerization
>Fluoroalkenes polymerize more exothermically than normal alkenes.[2] Unsaturated fluorocarbons have a driving force towards sp3 hybridization due to the electronegative fluorine atoms seeking a greater share of bonding electrons with reduced s character in orbitals.[2] The most famous member of this class is tetrafluoroethylene, which is used to manufacture polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE), better known under the trade name Teflon.

Teflon lets your wiener shrink.

>>11674582
That's a lot of words meaning nothing where is your evidence that Teflon pans are bad? Cmon it can't be that hard

>>11674603
I just posted a study which tested the main componend of teflon pans, if you want each pan brand to be tested seperatly, you don't understand how expansive study grands are.

Imagine being scared of flimsy science from an era when doctors recommended cigarette brands, regarding a chemical reaction that only occurs when you're an absolute retard with your utensils.

We should all live in bunkers, too, a meteor might hit us.

Does a cast-iron pan with a decent smoothness exist? All the ones I've gotten are so fucking gritty that theyre impossible to clean out.

>>11674641
Look up enameled cast iron. Lodge is great, La Creuset is even better but you pay for it.

>>11674621

>I just posted a study which tested the main componend of teflon pans

No you didn't, those are precursor chemicals used in manufacturing and not present in Teflon pans. Surely even you can see the difference

>>11674659
Well, in this case don't mind me. I just want to thank you for volunteering as a human test subject so that our understanding might grow in the coming decades.

>>11674641
>Does a cast-iron pan with a decent smoothness exist?
Sure, just use sandpaper.

It doesn't matter though. The smoothness you can see and feel has nothing to do with food sticking. It's the smoothness on the microscopic scale which matters, and that's addressed by seasoning your pan.

>>11674647
>La Creuset is even better but you pay for it.
I'd rather have Lodge than Le Cruset. The latter has been on a kick to make their iron as thin as possible over recent years, and that's the opposite of what you want for iron cookware. If you can get one of their older ones before they went on this absurd "thin" kick then yes, those are good. Also beware that Le Cruset has started putting plastic knobs on many of their dutch ovens...also fucking stupid.

>>11674676
I don't mind you, I like mocking your government school retardation

>>11674696
Jokes on you, I've been on a swiss privat school. I'm not surprised actual state schooled plebs blindly trust the goverment. Enjoy.

>>11674714
>Bragging about your madrasas

Alahu snackbar mohhamud

Most of the world cooks on Teflon, this cherry picked study from 196something is pointless. There should be overwhelming evidence about the toxicity of teflon all around the world but there isn't, it's simple. Cast iron trannies can't stop seething tho

>>11674726
>most of the world cooks on Teflon
Ayyy lmao this is some grade A cope

>>11674726
I'm confused as to why it has to be one vs. the other. Anyone who is a halfway serious cook owns both, as well as stainless. They are different tools for different jobs. Arguing about which is the best is as absurd as arguing if a screwdriver is better than a hammer.

>>11674603
>it can't be that hard
Just like your dick Teflon Tom

>>11674732
Autism, some sperg demanding that everyone agree with something he read in Mother Jones magazine so he won't be a lonely retard

>>11674723
>madrasas
I don't speak mutt, goblin.

https://youtu.be/epxh8u8Q1z8

20/20 report on teflon from 2004
enjoy

>>11674904
Well, if the MSM say it it must be true.

>>11674918
if a well-reputed investigative news report along with several science journals with references dont convince you, then you're just a stubborn moron on par with anti-vaxxers.

sorry.

>>11670215
>smoke point of 1000 degrees

yeah nah I think I'm fine

Where's the rest of the document?

>literally everyone using Teflon for decades
>nothing happened
>but muh study

>>11674206
so besides the little hassle to prepare and clean cast iron for cooking, what downsides does it have?

>>11669868
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1958415/pdf/brmedj02864-0082a.pdf
>The cold polymer is harmless on ingestion, in contact
with the skin, or implanted in living tissues
>When heated above 250° C. it begins slowly to give rise to small amounts of decomposition products, some of which are toxic
>250 C
>it was safe for this purpose and
millions of utensils have since been manufactured in France, America, and elsewhere with no reports of subsequent illness.
>In view of these facts and the intensive investigation to which the polymer has been submitted it seems reasonable to assume that its hazards have been exaggerated
Did you even read the fucking pdf?

>>11669868
>Teflon is poisonous
I know.

>>11675007
>>When heated above 250° C. it begins slowly to give rise to small amounts of decomposition products,

So, just like food in general? What's the cause for worry? Heat a carrot to 250C and you'll see plenty of carcinogens.

>>11675007
Copy and paste doesn't work well with greentext but the point still stands

>>11675010
There is none. OP is just a retard.

Even Gordon cooks his steak in a teflon pan.

the teflon flakes add some extra flavor

>>11676537
no he does not
he uses enameled cast iron cookware. very expensive shit

>>11670806
Haha I worked there, the "butter flavored oil" will keep ya straight as an arrow, we didn't tolerate faggotry

>>11674904
yeah everyone knows news such as abc and nbc never ever tell fibs..

>>11674980
It needs a bit of attention so it wont rust when stored, and it is also very heavy so usually not a favourite with most women. The weight is alos the reason it doesnt repond very swiftly to changes in heat so it is not suitable for foods that burn easily.

>if you want to live
boy have I got news for you!