/ck/ - Food & Cooking

If i want plants, i'll eat a salad.

>>11787880
>20g protein * missing 6 essential amino acids
vs
>19g protein. * contains all essential amino acids
Really makes you cough out a tooth

>>11787880
Fuck off you inconfident imbecile. If you want to eat that, Noone is stopping you. Choke on it.

You can not turn a plant into a cow. Fucking idiot. Obviously, it is going to miss essential nutrition.

Ever notice how unhealthy vegans look. Like fucking famine. It was simply made so poor dumb people don't eat the healthy food and the rich can enjoy it to themselves.

>>11787975
>i only eat beef at every meal & drink beef juice
you can have your precious amino acids in other foods

>>11787992
this
keep buying onerous food pls!!!

>>11787992
Insecure Sociopath Fatboy: The Post

>>11787880
I highly recommend it

>>11787880
YOU THINK POOR PEOPLE RUN THIS PLANET! ! ? ? Think again. Everything ever made was for a rich man to profit off of it. In this case, you eat shit and he gets to enjoy his steak at a lower market price.

>>11787992
Vegans are the healthiest people on the planet, which you would have known if your brain weren't too clogged with cholesterol and lard to think clearly.

>>11788024
Yikes. /pol/ is on 4chan, my tinfoil hatted friend

water, pea protein isolate, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, mung bean protein, natural flavors, methylcellulose, potato starch, sunflower oil, salt, potassium chloride, apple extract, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, color blend (vegetable glycerine, maltodextrin, ascorbic acid, beet juice extract), sunflower lecithin, pomegranate fruit powder, lycopene (for color), vitamins and minerals (dried yeast, niacin [vitamin b3], pyridoxine hydrochloride [vitamin b6], thiamin hydrochloride [vitamin b1], riboflavin [vitamin b2], folic acid [vitamin b9], cyanocobalamin [vitamin b12], d-calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride,biotin, zinc sulfate). Contains soy.

or beef

>>11788035
I've seen more obese vegans than skinny ones tbqh

It's because most of them eat nothing but bread and potatoes, which, while technically "vegan" is shit for you

>>11787880
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0088278
Read it and weep you sorry poverty stricken eejits.

>>11788055
also contains dihydrogen monoxide which has a mortality rate of 100%

>>11788061
>fat psycho omnivores go vegetarian and get cured
Yep

>>11788055
Isoflavones.

>>11788070
"Our study has shown that Austrian adults who consume a vegetarian diet are less healthy (in terms of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders), have a lower quality of life, and also require more medical treatment."

Idiot.

>>11788063
i know you're being cutesy but do you really want to eat a patty made of solids extracted from old pasta and bean cooking water mixed with 20 kinds of vegetable oil? shit's weird

>>11788055
I like how they thoughtfully ground up a bunch of vitamin supplements in it so vegans think they are getting their nutrients "naturally".

>>11787880
The man who created the veggie burger, Gregory Sams, is a psychedelic user not a gastronomist.

>>11788082
>fat omnivores go vegetarian
Like I said

IDIOT

>>11787880
But it tastes different.

>>11788088
I don’t see the issue. It has a bunch of oils, who cares?

>>11788089
>he sits in his motorized scooter at the computer and talks about “nature”

cringe

friendly reminder that as a vegan I am morally superior and much more intelligent than you. You eat meat/dairy/eggs because the industry sold it to you and you ate it up like the dumb consumer rat fuck you are. You and your other faggot friends praise bacon because the meat industry spent millions of dollars to make you to, You make me sick.

>>11788103
I see the problem here. Your mother never gave you titty milk. You've been vegan your whole life. Must be fun having so many mental disorders.

>>11788109
it's the vegan version of pink slime
it's not food

>>11788115
Based and Redpilled. Incoming beef industry jew meltdown

>>11788113
The idea of a veggie burger is cringe worthy. No wonder the guy who invented it is also.

>>11788117
Oof you have mommy issues too? Explains the obvious behavioral disorder. That and being a gross looking fatty. Yuck.

>mash a bunch of soy together with multivitamins
>wtf this is more nutrient dense

>>11788118
oh a fatty who failed chemistry is scared of cHeMicaLs im so triggered

>>11788124
>The idea of a veggie burger is cringe worthy
That’s because you’re fat and have no friends. I’ve never heard anyone in real life unironically say something so virginy

>>11788115
What you eat has nothing to do with your intelligence or morals. If I took away your food, you are guaranteed to cannabalize. You are an animal. A filthy one at best. You do absolutely nothing to benefit the world and help the famines abroad. Being vegan simply helps you sleep at night.

>>11788130
you're mistaking fear for distaste

>>11788137
And vegans keep you up at night because they’re the boogeyman that gives you the excuse to be a fat virgin and not face your guilt. #RealTalk

>>11788126
>>11788136
I am sorry, kiddo. I thought I was talking to an adult.

>>11788137
>What you eat has nothing to do with your intelligence or morals.
it must or else meat eaters wouldn't all be double digit IQ mongoloids like you

>>11788137
You're just being cringy because you dont know how to deal with a superior being like myself and other vegans.

>>11788151
you’re mistaking your stupidity with distaste

>oMg ceLLuLoSe
-Nobody who graduated high school

>>11788155
Yeah sorry I can’t give you a milk bottle you crying baby

>>11788167
>behold my glory

>>11788153
Monstrosities of man that you could never imagine without proof are the only thing that keep me up at night. Nothing fucking my wife can't fix. Get a job. Do something better for humanity than eating makeyourselffeelbetter veggie burgers.

>>11788156
Says the child that think 4chan cares about his anonymity and leaves his ip open for the world to see.

>>11788169
instead of just eating plants you want to extract all the material from them and recombine it into a slurry mixed and mix in some multivitamins and i'm the stupid one?

>>11788167
Pretentioness gets you nowhere in life, sonny boy. You have little to no influence on those around you let alone the world.

>>11788179
>>11788179
>Monstrosities of man that you could never imagine without proof are the only thing that keep me up at night.
hahaha what? wanna translate that for people who arent little crying babies, tike?

>Nothing fucking my wife can't fix
sucks youre a fat virgin then whose life gets derailed by veggie burgers LOL

>>11788193
Who cares? It’s so funny a thread about burgers can get people so hilariously worked up

>>11788196
>Pretentioness
Neither does being a moron get you anywhere lol

>>11788196
Just being brutally honest realistic, meatcuck. You could be enlightened too if you embraced the truth of veganism and allowed gaia's bounty to cleanse your body, mind and soul of the products of murder inhibiting your true potential. Join us.

>>11788213
>burgers
There's only one burger up there.

>>11788193
This coming from someone who literally eats corpses

>>11788232
The other is a berder

>>11788228

>>11788234
when did i say that?

>>11787880
The beyond burger/impossible burger actually taste decent. Not as good a real burger but if I didn't know that I was eating one I would think I was just given mediocre beef.

But the whole fucking premise falls apart when every single place that sells them charges MORE for the fake burger than the real burger. Thats an immediate no sale from me

>>11788061
fast food vegans actually die more of heart disease than obese omnivores

>>11788246
>Vegans don't like eating good burgers but will pretend to like bad ones that cost more

Seems like they have a death wish. Truly evil people

>>11788253
So do non fast food vegans. They dont get enough essential risk amino acids in their diet and their body eventually strips them from their own muscles including their heart. Its theoretically possible to eat a vegan diet that doesnt do this, but not without neglecting something else important that causes damage elsewhere in their body.

Today I will remind them that they eat corpses and they will never eat meat again

t. good person

>>11788260
*Vegans have money and will pay for tasteful food while meatcucks will live off tendies points
Ftfy

>>11788280
this but unironically

>>11788234
>eats plant corpses
>become a corpse

>>11788284
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animals-and-us/201508/vegetarianism-and-money-surprising-results-new-study?amp

YIKES

>>11788284
Most vegans are on disability or food stamps so it's stolen $ from humans ie meat eaters who eat meat so the parascitic vegans won't starve

vegans have been historically poorfags

>>11788308
>I SAW THIS GUY WHO WAS LIKE PESCATARIAN AND HE WAS BROKE

Meatcucks

>>11788314
>Meatcuck is an obese religious retard who runs down the country

Sounds familiar...

>>11788319
>>11788324
calm down lmao

>>11788337
lol u mad bro?

what if I don't eat meat because it tastes bad?

>DUDE WHAT DO YOU GUYS EVEN EAT??
>JUST SOY???

https://youtu.be/FLqjLn0W5K0

>>11788355
You would be either lying or a Canadian who can't afford meat

>>11788371
i heard it on the radio food prices except meat are going up because of vegans

As a vegan I know we need meat eaters in the world, at least me I can't carry heavy stuff or do yard work so I'm glad some of yall eat meat it's just not for me. As for the rest of y'all so called vegans you are fake, true vegans have no hate like yall

>>11788371
i ate meat for 33 years of my life
something flipped like a switch in my brain, and it just no longer tastes good
it just tastes metallic, like blood

>>11788398
that happens to chemo patients sometimes
maybe you were poisoned?

>>11788398
Toxoplasmosis you filthy catlady

>>11787880
I started eating these. For anyone interested, most fake meat is pea protein, soy protein or wheat gluten. There is also quorn which is a fungus but I haven't investigate that as much. Pea protein is low in methionine though not that low, it's PDCAAS is still 0.72 compared with 0.92 for beef and >1.0 for egg white and whey, though the score is capped at 1.0). You can make up for the methionine with brown rice protein though this is a bad tasting protein and seems to be high in oxalates. Soy is more complete but there are concerns about phytoestrogens.

Given the above, pea protein seams like a good option. Beyond Burger uses pea protein. There are pea protein based burgers with better macros (more protein) but beyond burger is much better tasting.

For myself, I'm not trying to be vegan, just minimizing animal products as much as I can, trying to balance health and fitness with ethics. So I'm eating a lot of Beyond Burger but also eating small amounts of meat, milk, eggs and fish.

>>11788405
no but i did start taking wellbutrin
the doctor wanted to see if it helps with my attention deficit before putting me on adderall

>>11788410
it's almost certainly that.

>>11788407
Investigate the fungus.

https://cspinet.org/new/201112011.html

>>11788407
fag

>>11788398
It's called "iron".

>>11788407
That looks pretty disgusting tbqh, though I can see how it might look more appetizing after a steady diet of salads.

>>11788441
it's not just iron.
The iron in things like broccoli or greens doesn't have that taste.

I think it's specifically the iron in hemoglobin.
Something fucked up my mind, possibly this medicine, but it doesn't taste like food anymore. It tastes like death.

>>11788407
>I'm not trying to be vegan, just minimizing animal products as much as I can, trying to balance health and fitness with ethics
Fuck off, moralist bourgeois scum.

>>11788456
It's parageusia probably caused by the meds or a brain tumor. You can't taste iron. Salt, sour, bitter, sweet, and umami. But not a single taste bud for iron.

>>11788520
meme knowledge and fake news
also,
>umami
just stop

>>11788324
>This salty

>>11788530

>>11788520
Your "salty" taste buds sense various essential metals.

Considering that they can also sense potassium and calcium, it's not unreasonable to think they might sense iron.

Also, anyone who has ever had blood in their mouth knows exactly the "metallic" taste of blood that I'm talking about.

>no serving size on the beef
Disregarded.

>>11788314
>Got rid of Catholicism
>Got rid of saints feast days
>Converted semi-vegitarian peasants to literal vegans since they didn't get their occasional meat at church feast days

Henry turned england into a cuck country

>>11788554
>taste of blood
It's called "salt". You're letting your imagination run wild.

>>11788622
Are you implying that there are literally only 5 flavors in the world?
Are you gonna sit here and pretend that people cannot taste foods while blindfolded?

>>11787880
Isn't heme iron far more bioavailable?

>>11788634
give him a break
vegans probably can't

>>11787880
LOL more calories in the fake burger

>>11788634
People cannot taste foods while blindfolded, or more accurately, the perception of taste is so heavily modified by our sight and expectations that what we experience as taste is only vaguely related to what our taste buds sense.

So, what's the price per kg?

>>11788634
I'm genuinely surprised that you didnt know this.

>>11788674
>the perception of taste is so heavily modified by our sight and expectations
you're forgetting smell
you have WAY more than 5 types of smell receptors

>>11787880
Neat, but does it taste good?
I doubt it.

Why can't you just like both?

>>11788398
You're probably tasting your decaying teeth.

>>11788467
based and redpilled

>>11788707
>why cant you be some fat virgin murderer carnist?

>>11788636
Yeah. That's why I don't like with lab-grown meat that it has no heme iron and they're saying it's healthier that way. I was vegetarian for a few years and even though I was eating lots of plant foods high in iron, my iron levels still dropped too low. Women need more iron too because of menstruation.

>The absorption of non-heme iron...is approximately 5-12%...because during digestion, the body has to alter non-heme iron in order to fully take it in.
>20-30% of the heme iron they consume is absorbed from a meal.

>>11788690
Sight is much more important, it isnt even close. My wife watches cooking shows, one of them often starts off by blindfolding the contestants and asking them to identify various ingredients. Not exotic stuff mind you, but basic things like mayonnaise, sour cream, celery, bell pepper, anchovy, worcestershire sauce, etc. Very few contestants can get more than one right and they are frequently head-scratchingly wrong, smell and taste are important for the overall effect, but are extremely low resolution unless your name is fido. There is a reason that good restaurants put such an emphasis on presentation.
After the infamous Brochet study came out, my wine club put on a variant of the experiment. We took four California wines (two white and two red) that we had tasted in the past year. We blindfolded each other and tried to identify which was the red and which was the white. Not the varietal mind you, just red or white. The results were slightly better than random, but only slightly.
We were a lot less fussy over pairing wine with food after that, the red-wine-with-everything crowd took a lot less shit, though there was still unanimous agreement that champagne is shit with most chinese and indian dishes.

>>11788634
People taste while blindfolded, just not very well. Five tastes, plus some sensation of texture, is all we get from the mouth. The rest is imagination, sight, and smell in that order.

also not considering the essential nutrients in meat that plants don't have. fuck off soyboy

I like the Beyond Burger. It tastes enough like meat that I can enjoy it. It lets me cook more of my favorite foods for my vegan friends without compromising on taste.

>>11788035
>eating cholesterol rises body's cholesterol levels
top lel

>>11788398
What's wrong with blood?

>>11788398
how long have you gone without meat? i feel that way if i eat it more than 2 or 3 times per week, but if i go for a while without any meat, i start to crave that taste

>>11790282
Absolutely nothing.

>>11790289
I had an iron absorption issue for a long time and I craved meat like you wouldn't believe. Especially liver. I also ate a lot of steak tartare back then.

>>11788467

Moral good and health is only for the elitists now too? Fuck off

>>11790308
>iron absorption issue for a long time and I craved meat
Huh maybe that explains why I literally can never get enough steak. Maybe it's time to visit the doc.

>>11790361
Get your B12 checked, too.

>>11790361
It doesn't necessarily mean anything is wrong, especially if you don't feel like you have any other symptoms of a problem. Diet is a pretty individual thing and it's probably even affected by your genes. If you come from a place with a long history of dairy or fishing, you probably won't crave red meat as much as someone from somewhere else.

>>11788035
>brain weren't too clogged with cholesterol and lard
That's funny, because your brain consists of 36-66% fat and contains 25% of the body's total cholesterol by weight, while your brain represents only 2-3% of your bodyweight.

>>11787975
>>11788014
>>11788035
>>11788177
>>11788289
>>11788774
Samefag logical fallacy bluepill poster

>>11790521
Reminder that eating pussy is one of the most beta things a man can do. It's even more beta than letting another man fuck you in the ass.

>>11787880
I actually like Beyond Burger more than a typical burger. It just tastes really good.

>>11790521
muh logical fallacy, muh appeal to nature, muh blah blah blah blah. Human beings eat meat and ate meat to become human beings in the first place. Fast forward thousands of years and you may be able in first world countries to supplement a vegan diet with vitamins and supplements so you can survive. Being a vegan may not be a healthy life choice and may not be an option for those who are not wealthy. You claim what? that it is everyone's responsibility to be vegan because it MAY be a possible for certain people to live on a vegan diet on ethical grounds? fuck off m8

>>11788063
>Back

>>11790554
>appeal to nature
You're also wrong. Carbs are the reason we have big brains. Read a study meatcuck.

>>11790562
I have read many studies because i can read unlike you faggot.

>>11790585
Shame you can’t punctuate.

>>11790562
The absolute state of vegans. I hope you don't actually believe that since exact the opposite is true.

>>11790521
Xe's got a bigger bulge down there than most of this board.

>>11790538
>t. women-hating incel

>>11790538
ancient romans were cool but we don't have to larp as them

>>11787880
>Plant-based

Which ''plants''?

>>11790562
The brain functions better on ketones.

>>11790281
>delta Tcc = 0.031(2Dsf − Dpuf) + 1.5√Dch
>ree ima ketard i cant into science
lol get some of that lard out of your brain

>>11790521

>>11791084
And nothing of value was lost

>>11787975
>>11788014
>Those pristine condition Vegan teeth!!

What kind of complete denial do vegans have to reach to see their decomposing comrades and not figure out what is going on??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7x8XtDBljU

>>11791184
they know what's going on. they deny it to others but among themselves its a badge of honor because it proves they have truly been vegan for a long time and not cheating with meat. its considered a self sacrifice for gaia.

>>11791283
I wonder how much overlap there is between vegans and bug chasers.

>>11791283
Exactly that's what "ethical veganism" is. Once you get sick as fuck from the vegan malnourishment, they explain to you that you are basically supposed to, that is actually the plan, and you have made a lifetime committment to Veganism, "for the animals"

FREELEE halfway admitted this when responding to so many vegans dumping the cult when they get too sick and can't bear the physical collapse of long term Veganism...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z3zO6KC920

>>11788115
what about the awesome taste of grilled animal flesh?

>>11787880
>antibiotic free
This is just misinformation. You know they spray plants with shit to keep pests ocf, why are you pushing this so hard?
>want a more expensive alternative?
No

>>11791569
>what about the awesome taste of cremated rotting corpses?
you tell me, carnist.

>>11788115
>You and your other faggot friends praise bacon because the meat industry spent millions of dollars to make you to, You make me sick.
Right. People only like bacon because muh meat industry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0syCKiC5L4
Oh wait.

>>11791672
I don't get the cooking thing either bro. Since when does burning something in fire ever make it better?? Lions don't want cooked food and neither do I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unnzbghJB28

>That confusing feeling when a vegan is right about something.

>>11791672
if its so disgusting why has the vegan population spent so much time and effort trying to fake it

>>11791084
Whoa, the "woman" has higher testosterone and sperm count than the unadulterated actual man?
That's crazy, that tranny is obviously taking HRT and STILL more of a man than a soboy

The beyond burger tastes strange to me. Everyone else at my table seemed to like it though. I only tried it out of curiosity. I'm basically vegan now, but wasn't at the time.

>>11792045
It has a weird Chinese takeout aftertaste. Must be the MSG. A lot stronger if you overcook it

>>11787880
I don't eat burgers for the health benefits.

>>11791985
>cooking tasty healthy vegetables is exactly like cooking disgusting rotting corpses
you don't really think before the words come out do you?

>>11792188
>you don't really think before the words come out do you?

This is fucking hilarious because your edgy names for meat clearly have no rational thought behind them - who the fuck eats rotten meat?

>>11792168
>I wilfully poison myself to enrich mr goldbergs ranch’s pockets

>>11792244
>he doesn't know that meat is deliberately allowed to decompose before packaging because it "improves the taste"
i have no words for your retardation, meatcuck. you really are too stupid for your existence to be allowed to despoil the face of this precious planet.

>>11792168
only vegans do that. carnists eat burgers for the artery clogging cholesterol and early heart failure. and because they've been brainwashed by the death industry into doing this.

>>11792289
>meat is deliberately allowed to decompose before packaging because it "improves the taste"

>>11792288
A burger every few months isn't gonna kill you.

>>11792301
oh come on there's no way you don't know about this, it isnt even a secret, its fucking advertised.

>>11787975
The beyond burger is made of more than one thing. You get all your essential amino acids very easily from it.

>>11787880
I've had them before they're good
I went to a burger place and switched up my regular.

>>11792325
No, no you dont.

>>11792345
Yes. Yes you do. Just because one source of protein, let's say broccoli, doesnt have all your essential amino acids doesnt mean that another source eaten with it, let's say beans, doesnt contain the missing amino acids from the broccoli.

>>11792323
Dry aged beef is a niche meme that makes up a tiny proportion of the meat that people eat, so it's not a valid point but even so, you'd have to be dumb to call it "decomposition".

Decomposition is caused by bacteria and fungi. In dry-aging conditions, bacteria and fungi are unable to thrive and cause any decomposition of the meat due to the fact that such conditions involve freezing temperatures and lack of moisture - warmth and moisture are the two very things that cause bacteria and fungi to thrive and subsequently cause meat decomposition.

>>11792355
you cannot get sufficient quantities of the essential amino acids from vegetables unless you eat them in far larger quantities than humans are physically capable of. one problem is that plants that supply one or two essential amino acids contain another chemical that inhibits absorption of some essential vitamin, so you have to eat something else to compensate for that, and the web of interlocking effects simply become unsolvable even for experienced vegans and the health problems can only be "solved" by declaring them a "feature" of veganism. unlike herbivores, there are too many things we can no longer synthesize, because we've evolved to get them by eating animals that can. I don't know why vegans are such evolution denialists, but vegans believe a lot of stupid shit so...

>>11792365
all beef is aged. some is dry aged as in that photo, the rest (supermarket tier stuff) is wet aged because it decomposes faster and retains more water weight which you fucktarded carnists pay $$$ for. but make no mistake it is *all* decomposed during the aging process before it lands on your crematorium of choice.

>>11792382
Damn you shut mongo down.

>>11790538
Lol the absolute state of incels

>>11792382
That's really cute and all, but once again you assume vegans only eat vegetables. You're ignoring oils, nuts, grains, seeds, legumes and all kinds of fermented versions of shit

>>11792447
his point still stands. the fact that there are no long-term vegans who are remotely healthy is pretty powerful evidence (though admittedly not an actual proof) that the problem is effectively unsolvable. this only applies to veganism, obviously vegetarianism is workable, but the additional restrictions of veganism appear to have completely eliminated the solution space.

>>11792462
T. Guy who knows every vegan in existence and is able to make such a claim

>>11792493

>>11792493
>h..h..h..healthy!

>>11792493
>so very healthy

>>11792493
>perfect health! you jelly carnists?

>>11787880
>GMO-FREE
Did any, literally ANY part of that "Beyond Burger" come from a cultivated crop? THEN I GOT NEWS FOR YOU, FUCKO, IT'S GMO

anybody have that photo sequence showing durianrider gradually losing his teeth?

>>11788234
You mean like we're biologically inclined to? Have you considered that if we weren't meant to eat them, they wouldn't taste delicious?

>>11792382
Why do brainlets with no degree always try to give armchair advice like they're experts

>>11788392
See, you, I can respect. Keep on keeping on, friend. Long as you aren't shoving it down my throat, you can be vegan all you want.

>>11792462
>his point still stands
No it doesn’t. You can get every amino acid perfectly fine and in normal quantities unless you’re some fifty banana a day idiot. It’s not even disputable unless you have a mental illness like this welfare queen and his atlas of vegan pictures

Which amino acid is missing from a vegan diet that has, at minimum, yellow pea protein and rice?
As for the cherry-picked photos of vegans, is there proof they had a properly nutritious vegan diet not lacking in calcium and vitamin D?
I'm genuinely interested.

>>11792188
Check the fucking topic moron, it's comparing your vegan trash to meat.
Do YOU even think before typing?

>>11792447
>"Fermented versions of shit"
>ROTTEN MEAT OOOOOOOOO
Fuck off and die of malnutrition already

>>11792640
Zero essential amino acids are missing, any other is synthesized through production of other amino acids. There is no proof. Vegan maymays like that unironically come from people who look like this. Dead behind the eyes. Dead inside the brain. Gross 40 year old cat lady looking goobers who empathize with rapists

I just started with this diet, but is every vegetarian or vegan thread on /ck/ a shitshow? I just want to talk about recipes man.

Also, relating back to the thread topic, while I suppose it helps for people that miss it, pretend meat seems silly. All the best vegan food I've had was stuff that didn't pretend to be a vegan version of some other dish, but was just its own thing.

Funny how easy it is to trigger carnists snowflakes. Anti-vegans are so much more insufferable than vegans are.

>>11788562
Assuming you're referring to OP, it clearly says "1/4 lb" right there in the middle between the two patties. Pay attention.

>>11792708
>just started with this diet, but is every vegetarian or vegan thread on /ck/ a shitshow? I just want to talk about recipes

>>11792735
and then states at the bottom of the green column that the 1/4lb refers to the veggie "burger". the weight of the real burger is implied but never actually specified.

>>11792708
not at all. there are no vegetarian threads on /v/.

>>11792765
Well fuck me then. Point retracted.

>>11792765
It’s 1/4 lb patty as it says on the left and the nutrition info is provided by the USDA and Beyond at the bottom

>>11792790
Well now hold on there, anon. Those are two distinct footnotes, each presumably applicable to only their side of the table. The fact that both use only a single asterisk reeks to me of scummy marketing tactics to purposely misdirect people.

>>11792729
>Suggesting both sides of the argument in this thread aren't screaming autistic manchildren
I'll have some of what you're smoking, soyboy

>>11792800
this. the graphic goes out of its way to imply that both are 4oz, without actually saying so. that much obfuscation doesn't happen by accident.

>>11792800
What are you talking about? Theres an asterisk on both sides look carefully and closely

>>11792708
Why do you need special recipes, just eat your veggies you shrunken brain loser

>>11792890
Vegans have more raw numbers of autists but anti vegans go above and beyond per capita with their volume of autism per post

>>11792904
Yes I'm aware, but the fact that both use a single asterisk, and both footnotes use a single asterisk suggests that the creator of the infographic was banking on people not realizing the two footnotes are independent of each other, and that either both asterisks only apply to one statement, or both asterisks apply to both statements, when I'm relatively confident that's not the case. It's purposeful misdirection.

>>11792930
If they weren't purposefully misdirecting people, one of the footnotes would be represented with either a cross or a double asterisk

>>11792930
>suggests that the creator of the infographic was banking on people not realizing the two footnotes are independent of each other, and that either both asterisks only apply to one statement, or both asterisks apply to both statements, when I'm relatively confident that's not the case. It's purposeful misdirection.
That makes absolutely no sense. Take your meds. Do you not understand the point is to compare two DIFFERENT burgers of the same size?

>>11792937
That’s not misdirection. That’s your autism acting up.

>>11792904
that's what he's saying. there is a asterisk reference in each column title, and an asterisked footnote at the bottom of each column. the note in the green column says "* 4-oz beyond burger retail patty" which clearly only refers to the beyond burger not the hambuger. the footnote in the red column says "USDA National Nutrient Database *" which could theoretically refer to both I suppose. using asterisks for both footnotes is misleading since you would most likely read the 4-oz note - since it has the asterisk in front where it's obvious - and miss the word "beyond" in it. the USDA footnote has the asterisk at the end, which is nice and symmetrical but also incredibly misleading because at first glance you assume it's the souce of the graph, not the footnote. this sort of sleight of hand is almost certainly deliberate.

>>11792945
the point is to make the reader *assume* they are comparing patties of the same size. we are free to speculate as to why they very conspicuously fail to actually say that.

>>11792930
>relatively confident that's not the case.
I'm absolutely confident that's not the case. the "4 oz" footnote specifies that this weight is for the beyond burger. it doesn't say for "both burgers".

>>11788024
1. we are all aware that poor people don't run anything

2. no shit

3. steaks are going up in price, which will lead to poor people eating less of them... I honestly don't think you understand how basic economics functions

>>11792390
This is fundamentally untrue on every level
Do vegans really have no idea what happens to animals?

>>11792978
its pretty clear that carnists don't or they would be vegans.

>>11792984
Maybe we want to be healthy and don't care for your gay feels you walking corpse

>>11793009
>we want to be healthy
>eat rotting corpses
only a cholesterol-clogged carnist brain could put those two concepts together and not gag.

>>11793017
What's wrong with eating meat?

>>11792984
You just wrote that to a farmer who has worked in the freezing works and a butchery.
I just hunt/kill and process my own meat, wtf do I know?
Meat is not aged, nor is it decomposed in any way whatsoever. Some salami and isolated specialty meats are not things people eat.
We are also not "Carnists"

>>11792937
or the footnotes would be in that column's color instead of hard-to-read gray.

>>11792959
look at the patty. it says "1/4 pound" on the patty

i'm not familiar with archaic imperial measurements but google say there are 4 oz in a pound. so a 1/4 pound is 4 oz.

what are you fags even arguing about?

>>11793017
Explain our canine teeth to me, veganon, assuming yours haven't fallen out

>>11793023
hi you murdering fucking carnist. I see you have a financial incentive towards encouraging other carnists to wallow in the death and disease you peddle. your opinion is not merely invalid, but absolutely scorned.

>>11793034
>DURR, I'M AN EXPERT IN MY FIELD, THEREFORE I MUST BE LYING
FFS, listen to yourself, anon.

>>11793027
>Posting without reading the thread
Context. It's important here and it's important in the infographic.

>>11793034
Well I work for the Department of Conservation now.
But well done on shutting conversation, guess I was making sense huh?
That's why you redirected instead of answering.
You see the pigs, deer and rabbits I shoot and eat are introduced pests that destroy the environment. But why should I simply shoot to kill when I can make tasty stews?
Are you advocating I should just run around the ranges murdering animals and leaving them to rot where they die?

>>11793053
Would the rotting carci of the animals feed any nearby plants, I'm a vegan and think that's awful cuz now I can't eat plants

>>11788035
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>>11792521
>B-but these few select vegans are unhealthy
>Muh proteins
>Falling meat and dairy shill propaganda

It's perfectly possible to be both a vegan and healthy if you balance your diet right.

https://www.plantbasednews.org/post/subconsciously-conditioned-eat-meat-vegan-athlete-leo-venus

>>11793049
the context is patty size and the infographic says it's comapring patties of the same size.

>>11792959
>the point is to make the reader *assume* they are comparing patties of the same size. we are free to speculate as to why they very conspicuously fail to actually say that.
there is absolutely nothing to assume because it clearly states that the patties are an identical size.

>>11793027
which patty is that referring to? the vegan or the beef?

1) center patty has label "1/4 lb patty"
it seems obvious that this means both sides,
BUT the beyond burger on that same side is described as "burger patties", the beef side never uses the word "patty" or "patties". this gives the a a legal weasel way out if somebody proves they're lying, because this weight only applies to the "patties" which the graphic only uses for the beyond burger. there's no obvious reason they didn't use "beef patty" on the beef side, and the omission is conspicuous.
2) the dual asterisk footnotes. the left footnote is the obvious asterisk footnote, but it explicitly states the vegan patty (that word again) is 4oz. it conspicuously fails to state that this weight applies to both. the gray text is hard to read, discouraging anyone from paying too much attention to this, and its easy to assume that this is the footnote for both asterisks because the note on the other side has the asterisk in a very nonstandard place - the end of the note, made even harder to notice by the same difficult-to-read light grey text.
this is too many clever subterfuges to credulously ascribe to incompetence.

>>11793042
I'm head of the department of agriculture. the based vegan is absolutely correct

>>11793067
It would feed the entire system. A lot of honey is made in the ranges I roam

>>11792959
i think you're reading too much into the disclaimer. the "4oz beyond burger retail patty" is listing the name of the burger patty because they most likely have several varieties of patties. but this infographic has taken data from their "4oz beyond burger" patty. think of McDonald's "quarter pounder"

>>11793023
you just wrote that to a farmer who hunted and killed game before seeing the light. you are fucking retarded, and should be gutted like a fish for your sins.

>>11793086
everything ok, bud?

>>11793096
I think you're far too credulous toward something that is unabashedly propaganda.

>>11793104
are you suggesting that 4 oz is less than or greater than a 1/4 pound?

plz respond.

>>11793086
To both you fucking retard. Notice how no one who talks like they have all mental faculties has an issue comprehending this

>>11793107
who the fuck ever said they weighed differently?
I'm saying that the 1/4 lb and 4oz text can be defended successfully in a court of law as applying *only* to the beyond burger not to the beef burger, while convincingly *implying* that it refers to both. I have described in detail the various gymnastics the graphic goes through to accomplish this.

>>11793108
I have a bridge I'd like to sell you

>>11793131
It does apply to both though, whether it's implied or not.

>>11793131
so you're suggesting that the weight given doesn't apply to the beef patty?

compare the data given in the infographic with the source given in the infographic and you'll see the weight of the patty for yourself:
https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/7616

>>11793135
Im sure youre schizophrenic enough to believe you have one

>>11793135
Interested!

>>11793096
>they most likely have several varieties of patties.
this infographic comes from their website, on the beyond burger product page. they only list the one size of patty.
this implies a few things that are relevant:
1) this isn't just some quick hacked-up graphic posted to stir up shit on a madagascar water polo forum. there was a budget and thought given to this, and it was looked over by many many people. any "mistakes" are almost certainly deliberate.
2) this infographic is legally advertising, so they must be able to defend against false advertising charges. this graph is carefully constructed to avoid legal liability for misstatements about the relative merits of beef burgers.

>>11793131
There’s no gymnastics. You’re a stupid fucking schizo. A simple fucking internet search can solve this but you’re so fucking stupid and want to pretend you’re never wrong
https://www.nutritionix.com/i/usda/beef-ground-80-lean-meat-20-fat-raw-4-oz/513fceb775b8dbbc210032b8

>>11793177
are you just talking for the sake of talking? there are no mistakes in the infographic.

do you hear voices?

>>11793086
i've solved the mystery
they're comparing the nutrition profile of a cooked prepared product to the nutrition profile of raw ground beef
4 ounces of cooked ground 80/20 is a more reasonable comparison and the cooked beef has less fat and more protein

>>11793189

>maybe if i can distract them with this bullshit they won't realise that i simply didn't notice the text on the patty in the infographic
lol, you fucked up

>>11793163
>2 oz meat
>2 oz water
lol @ vegan shitters. they had to pad the beef with water to even begin to compare the two.

>>11793199
>if we compare apples and orange maybe the stupid carnists will believe us

>>11793200
the nutritional data is all over the internet, and posted three times itt.

>>11793199
i'm a different person
no one is eating 1/4 lb of raw ground beef
that's what makes this infographic intentionally misleading

>>11793209
what makes you think the image is refering to data taken from a raw patty?

>>11793215
it says so

>>11793218
where?

>>11793223
underneath the word BEEF

>not getting essential amino acids or actual useable b12

Enjoy your bodies wasting away and your infertility

>he doesnt eat beef/liver patties ground at home

Ahahahabababaa pleb

>>11793227
what makes you think that the veggie patty is cooked?

>>11793233
it's a prepared food product, not a single ingredient, so it's legally required to be
because cooking changes the profile so drastically

>>11793237
then the same could be said for the beef patty. how do you sleep?

>>11793241
lol retard i posted the profile for 4 ounces of cooked beef>>11793189
it's a false, though legal, comparison designed to trick smoothbrains like yourself

>>11793248
did you just prove yourself to be wrong while attempting belittle me? kek

>>11793248
Its not a false comparison. Unless you think no one cooks Beyond patties.

>>11793248
>i posted the profile for 4 ounces of cooked beef
>cooked
prove that it's cooked. ten bucks says you can't.

>>11793253
how am i wrong?
no one eats raw ground beef and the infographic implies they do because it's the only way to justify their claims

>>11793262
Turks and Armenians and Lebanese eat raw ground beef and lamb actually.

Kibbeh nayeh or çyg kofte.

God tier food.

>>11793262
>no one eats raw ground beef
speak for yourself

>and the infographic implies they do
no it doesn't. the use of the word "raw" there is like saying that the patty is "organic" or "unadultered". unseasoned, naked, no added whatevers. just plain meat.

>>11793255
it's a false comparison because of the legality behind nutrition profiles they have to provide the information for the cooked product legally
but since raw ground beef isn't a prepared food product, the law doesn't apply
>>11793256
i used the same source the people who made the inforgraphic did
https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/beef/show

>>11793262
You buy the ground beef raw just like you buy the Beyond patty raw. That’s literally what’s on each nutrition label of them when you buy it. And people also cook the Beyond beef.

>it's the only way to justify their claims
By reposting USDA information? Lol. This is even spergier than “its not the same size!!” autism you were just running with

>>11793274
no, the word raw means raw, you fucking smoothbrain

>>11793262
>no one eats raw ground beef

Fucking amerilard

>>11793277
>i used the same source the people who made the inforgraphic did
so did i but that doesn't prove that the meat patty is cooked.

and how do you know that the veggie patty isn't cooked?

>>11793277
Its not a false comparison you shifting fucking idiot. People buy raw ground beef much like they buy the raw beyond burger and cook it later

>>11793282
is your brain cooked?

>>11793262
imagine being this wrong and not knowing it

>>11793299
ironic

>>11793286
i know that the veggie patty is cooked because the labeling law requires it to be

>>11793303
have you proven that either patty is cooked yet?

didn't think so

>>11793305
sauce?

surely the same law applies to either patty.

Why do these threads exist?
There is no cooking going on in this thread, there never is.
These threads belong on /an/imals and nature

>>11793328
not much different to /alc/ threads, really.

>>11793336
/alc/ doesn't have a home though, it fits the closest on /ck/ since it's taste related
but these threads about animals have a home
literally about Animals and Nature /an/

>>11793352
to suggest that veganism is all about animals is akin to suggesting that athiesm is all about god

>>11793359
That's a hell of a leap from
>this thread
to
>All of veganism

This thread started as /fit/ but turned into /muh animals/
either way it's not /ck/

>>11793392
>turned into /muh animals/
prove it

ten bucks says you can't

>>11793392
Burgers are food. Nutrition is bound to food and cooking

>>11793328
>There is no cooking going on in this thread
one anon thinks the patties are cooked.

>>11793328
Vegans just can't accept that there are normal people.
>yikes eating rotting corpses
>this feces and old newspaper based fakemeat tastes kinda like real meat if you don't really remember how meat actually tastes
>nomnomnom so good give me more
It's almost like they are bitter, malnourished retards

>>11790538
t. virgin

>>11787880
yeah but its not meat

>>11793328
just think; in a mere 11 posts the thread will reach bump limit and that'll be the mod's cue to delete the thread for being offtopic, as per standard procedure.

>>11793514
You just sound like you can’t accept youre a horrible subhuman fat bastard

Is it retarded if I just don't eat store bought meat? I fish and hunt my own game, but something about factory farming seems intrinsically horrific. I understand that animals die to sustain other animals, and that despite all the prettiness of society life is a struggle to survive. By sustaining yourself you compete against other creatures to live. Even the life of a vegan is sustained by murder and denying resources to other creatures. That's just how life is. But something about setting up an entire system where animals are confined and mutilated until they die only to be packaged and bought by people with no understanding of the sacrifice made or connection to the natural world seems unsettling to me. Maybe I'm delusional.

>>11793711
Gee Vegans are nice people, I wish I could hang out with some IRL

>>11793711
So bitter~

>>11787880
Here's my beyond big mac. I overcooked it, while the beyond burger is very juicy for a faux meat burger it does dry out if you cook it too much.

Also too much onion, and I think I will have to make my own special sauce, the store in isn't that close.

>>11793959
that lookd edible. well done. but the cheese looks flakey. 6/10

>>11793959
It tastes better when its cold, its weird. It tastes so much meatier like a fatty steak

>>11793978
Thanks. After that I figured out the secret, for vegan or regular American cheese, is to let it rest a few minutes so the cheese melts.

>>11793992
you'll know better next time. we live and learn.

>>11787880
I've tried it, it smells like spam but doesn't taste like it or beef. I like spam don't get me wrong, but smelling it and not tasting it is a pleasant thing.
Mostly tastes like other fake meats you can find at the store. I don't know why there are people out there claiming you wouldn't taste the difference. Yes, yes I can. Maybe they all just suck at cooking and ate overcooked pucks.

>>11787880
I've tried it, it smells like spam but doesn't taste like it or beef. I like spam don't get me wrong, but smelling it and not tasting it isn't a pleasant thing.
Mostly tastes like other fake meats you can find at the store. I don't know why there are people out there claiming you wouldn't taste the difference. Yes, yes I can. Maybe they all just suck at cooking and ate overcooked pucks.

hi and welcome to the bump limit

I sure do enjoy having a fully formed and functional cecum. Oh wait.

>>11794645
One of the many reasons vegans look, like vegans.

>>11787880
>No cholesterol
if you though s0y boys where lot T now just wait till this hits the market.

>>11794821
>Murdoch Chan
Why tho?

>>11794572
bump limit is 500

>>11793089
More like the head-wedged of the DoA. Way to contribute nothing to the conversation except saying one side is right with no evidence.

>>11793100
>Eats meat
>Deserves to die via evisceration
This is the problem everyone has with vegans.

>>11788035
...your brain is made mostly of fat and cholesterol. Removing them would slowly kill you.

>>11793359
>Suggesting that atheism is all about god
Isn't it though? Is it not?

>>11796457
>your body is made of water, therefore drowning is healthy

>>11796487
>Comparing oversaturation to undersaturation
Removing water from your diet kills you too, dumbass.

>>11796494
Good thing you can’t undersaturate dietary cholesterol unless you’re literally starving yourself then, dumbass

>>11796503
You mean being a vegan? Yeah, good thing.

>>11796567
>20 minutes for that

yikes

>>11796591
Real talk, I was taking a shit. Lasagna plugs the pipes, dude.

>>11796591
>>11796602
Also, were you sitting there expectantly waiting 20 minutes for me to reply? Get a life.

>>11792390
I really hope you're joking and you aren't actually this retarded

>>11794821
I, too, can find pictures of anorexic people on the Internet, vegan or not. You're not convincing anybody. Do you have evidence that anyone in that picture had a well-researched balanced vegan diet?

>>11788115
The weak shall perish.

>>11796478
think harder about the comparison between veganism and athiesm and how each relates to their corresponding aversion to a thing and you may find that they are almost identical to each other.

holy shit i just said something that sounded really smart!

>>11796478
but which god?

>>11793135
Is this still available?

>>11796793
This guy is one big logical fallacy. He's probably 12 and thinks it's an argument.
By his logic all omnivores are obese (which most are though lmao)

>>11793135
NIL

>>11787880
even IF plantburgers were better in nutrients, i would still prefer the taste of beef in a burger.

>>11798395

>it's another "fat is flavour" episode!