/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>12184090
nope, don’t eat there if you have a problem with it.
nobody is enforcing your cheap ass to give the restaurant patronage.

>>12184090
I would have tipped them that anyway. Why would I argue?

>>12184090
If I saw that sign I'd leave, and let them know it was the reason I was leaving. I wouldn't care if I had reservations or if it was for a special occasion.

>>12184090
>argue the automatic tip
What does that even mean? Do you attempt to haggle with the restaurant manager every time you go out to eat just to not have to pay an extra couple of dollars? Personally I like automatic gratuity percents a lot better than regular tip culture (although I know plenty of places will tell you they're two different things and that you're still supposed to tip). At least with the auto-gratuity they're putting what they want you to pay on the bill instead of playing the retarded "pay me an arbitrary amount not on the bill that doesn't even have anything to do with actual service quality because muh tradition."
>The percent tipped in these studies was related to group size, the customer's gender, the method of payment (cash or credit), and in some cases, the size of the bill. Tipping was not related to service quality, waitperson's efforts, waitperson's gender, restaurant's atmosphere, or restaurant's food.
https://scholarship.sha.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1036&context=articles

>>12184112
Why wouldn't they just increase the price of every menu item by 20% and eliminate the "automatic gratituity" ? Seems pretty fishy mac

>>12184127
>implying they won't do that and still keep the 20% gratuity charge

>>12184127
Legal reasons. Tips are technically a form of side income that needs to be reported to the IRS by the individual server. Part of the benefit of the tipping process is that most servers will report far less money earned in tips than they actually took in to the tax man so a good chunk of their income goes into their pocket without the government getting their hands on it. It’s why the US doesn’t want to move to a higher hourly wage and remove tipping. The restaurant would have to pay the difference of the lost tips as salary which would be taxed roughly 23% so they would have to inflate the hourly pay even higher to account for the loss of wages to taxes. In turn the restaurant industry would have to jack up prices to untenable levels and would likely cause a significant downturn in business which combined with the significantly higher wages would put a large amount of restaurants who already operate on paper thin margins to go out of business. Tipping also incentivizes the server to do a good job. The better they do the more pay they get. What could be more fair?

>>12184104
>Being this poor
Also a very quick way to get dumped for future reference if you ever manage to trick a girl into a date.
>>12184112
>this
They're probably just putting it there to let people know they don't have to give extra. Nothing worse than giving a tip and then finding out there's an auto gratuity.

>>12184156
>Tipping also incentivizes the server to do a good job. The better they do the more pay they get. What could be more fair?
That's not how it works in reality:
>The percent tipped in these studies was related to group size, the customer's gender, the method of payment (cash or credit), and in some cases, the size of the bill. Tipping was not related to service quality, waitperson's efforts, waitperson's gender, restaurant's atmosphere, or restaurant's food.
https://scholarship.sha.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1036&context=articles

Paid in cash and left 85% of what they charged me in cash after realizing their was a 15% automatic gratuity.

>>12184163
I have a flat 20% tip for standard service, a 15% tip for substandard service and a 30% tip for exceptional service.

>>12184217
You as an individual might consciously decide to tip based on service quality, but statistically service quality has no impact on tipping.

>>12184167
This. Absolutely based.

>>12184090
No sense in arguing that, I simply don't patronize places such as that. If that's their policy then they can piss off and I'll go somewhere else if I'm paying the bill. I certainly would bring it up if I was someone else's guest for say business, i'd definately think less of anyone stupid enough to patronize a place such as that.

>>12184090
Okay.
It's 100% bullshit. Not everyone deserves a tip, especially if they are less than sub-par. I don't want to pay the fucker whose been giving me attitude my entire time eating anything other than a table to clean. For me, I only tip women who are at least a 7/10 and up.

>>12184235
Does that tip include grabbing the waitresses ass and tits and calling her babs?

A good grope and slap might be worth a few dollars.

>>12184238
No, I feel her up while passionately french kissing her. Usually she feels my hardening bulge and slips me her phone number. It's a great end to a well rounded, nutritious meal.

>>12184246
Good times!

>>12184090
Jack knows obliged tips are illegal and encourages his audience to refuse them..

is he, care I say it, absolutely based?

>tipping
Your nose is showing, schlomos. Nobody should have to pay for your retarded lifestyle that you chose. Notice how only in the US tipping is seen as "mandatory"?
Jews have literally overrun our lives

>>12184090
So...the bill includes the pay of the server? What a revolutionary idea.

>land of the free
>automated tipping
Is that even legal?

>>12184719
>land of the free
> The Federal Reserve is not federal and infact owned by "private individuals"
is that even legal

>>12184225
I don't think a single study definitively proves that. That study might just show that the average server provides a level of service that gets them a consistent tip level.

>>12184090
>>12184104
>>12184167
>>12184235

That auto gratuity is generally distributed to the BoH pay as well, lads. Its wonderful for the cooks and it closes the disparity of pay between the people who actually produce things vs people who deliver the food.

>>12184090
You can’t (successfully) argue it if it’s called a service charge (as opposed to a gratuity or tip). The restaurant is totally allowed to charge you for service. Especially if there’s a sign warning you. You don’t have to eat there, but you can’t teally refute the charge if they tell you about it up front.

I don’t often tip and when I do I rarely tip over 5 dollars. The only people that I always tip are pizza delivery guys, because having to drive to my house is inherently more work than walking 20 feet from the kitchen to my table

>>12184156
>The restaurant would have to pay the difference of the lost tips as salary

Why? Pay a flat hourly rate and that's that. Since when was it the restaurants (or any business for that matter) responsibility to ensure their employee can get by in life on the wage they are on? This is why government social security and welfare programs exists.

>>12184127
You're complaining they're giving you more information about the cost breakdown of your food instead of less?

>>12184090
Eh, just means I don't need to tip them since they're kind enough to tell me that it's already been calculated into the bill. Though, a sign saying, "tips not necessary" would be better.

>>12184104
>I would tell the restaurant I was leaving because I had no intention of paying for services rendered and they were trying to force me to pay for services rendered
Yeah, I'm sure they were "really" sad to see you go, poorfag.

>>12184163
>>12184112
>posting studies from 30+ years ago, which cite other studies from 40-50+ years ago
>posting studies whose results were contested by the person who actually did the study
>posting a study which contradicts itself with poor math (claiming a $.42 tip on a $3.16 check is consistent with an "average of 15.6% tip" when it's actually half that)
>posting a study that admits that it didn't measure or find anything useful

I read the entire study. What I find it says is that rich/smart people tip well, and poor/dumb people don't.
>guests at an IHOP tipped worse than guests at a steakhouse
>guests with kids tipped worse than those without
>women tipped worse than men
>guests who paid with cash tipped worse than those with credit cards
>guests who ate in large groups at a cheap restaurant tipped worse than guests in large groups at a nice restaurant
If you have money, you tip. If you're smart, you have money. I just know, even in 1984 in Columbus Ohio, half the people they interviewed leaving the IHOP were niggers.
Even in 1970, the black population of Columbus was way over the national average.

>>12184101
Why is the diner the "cheap ass" and not the damn restaurant owner who isn't paying his god damn employees a fair wage? I'm a mechanic, I don't get tipped, and I work harder than some cunt bringing plates to a table.

>>12184773
I think anon is trying to say that it will cost much more money in terms of a wage than it will in tips to put the same amount of take-home money in the server's pocket. This is due to how taxes are calculated. Wages are taxed twice while tips are only taxed once.

>>12184090
If they're going to do that they might as well just fucking raise all the the prices 20% so I know exactly what I'm paying.
American tipping culture is such a hassle. If I buy a ten-dollar soup I expect to be able to pay for it with a tenner. I don't care how the place divvies it up after I've left.

>>12184773
>Since when was it the restaurants (or any business for that matter) responsibility to ensure their employee can get by in life on the wage they are on?
Are you stupid? People won't work a job that is underpaid.
>restaurants take away tipping and start offering $10/hr for server positions
>50% or more of restaurants close because they're not staffed
If you want staff you have to pay a wage that will attract them. I'd sooner take my experience and go manage a Wendy's for a $30k salary and benefits than wait tables (an infinitely harder job than managing a fast food joint - I have done both) for $10/hr.
I imagine most current servers would say the same.

>>12184825
Found the restaurant wagie. Listen up, dipshit, you don't deserve tips for bringing plates to a table. End of discussion. Take it up with your employer, they are supposed to pay you the difference if you don't make enough through scamming people I mean tips. Faggot. Do you tip your plumber? Do you tip the mail man? Do you tip an EMT? Fuck off you low skilled parasite.

>>12184832
90% of the time, the cooks, the bussers, and the dishwashers aren't getting tipped. Period.
Maybe 10% of restaurants actually split the tips. It's pretty fucking rare.

>>12184858
Exactly. The lowest skilled, and lowest work load gets tipped, I seriously don't understand why the USA is okay with such blatant kike bullshit. The restaurant owner should pay his servers a fair wage and cut tipping out entirely. Even a gardener works harder than some cunt waiter/waitress and do they get tipped? Fuck off you jews, I will dine and dash before I give a fraction of a penny to some worm parasite.

>>12184090
Argue? Of course not. I support a business in making their own business decisions. Disagree with and not purchase from them? That's my decision as a customer to spend my money where I desire; which is not at a restaurant that automatically charges the tip.

I work as a cook so no I don’t tip anywhere I go.

>>12184855
I don't deserve them?
That's strange, because I sure get them a lot. Like, every single day of my life.

I don't need to take anything up with my employer because I work at a really nice place where people like you never go. No niggers, no fat rednecks, no demented boomers. I don't have ranch or chicken tenders and I don't sell domestic beers, so low-IQ poorfags have no interest. They walk much farther down the street to the big sports bar where the cops sit outside all night because of nigger fights.

>mfw you're proud of and even defend acting like a nigger

>argue
For what? You either pay the amount you owe or they call the law

>>12184825
>What I find it says is that rich/smart people tip well, and poor/dumb people don't.
Yeah, exactly. As in the tip amount is predicted by *customer* traits and NOT by service. Which defeats the entire purpose of tipping as a concept. There is to my knowledge no good evidence that tip amount has a significant association with service quality, despite what most people assume about how tipping works. Most people probably just tip what they're going to tip with the exception of absurdly bad service to the point where they're actively harming you.

>>12184923
>Calling anyone else a poorfag when you're a food / drink service worker
Seriously, anon? I didn't read whatever the other guy's argument was, but holy shit, get some self-awareness.

>>12184838
If they're taxed at all. If i bring home $20k in tips I'm only going to report $10k on my taxes.

>>12184966
Of course a lot of people underreport tips. But my point is that even if everyone does everything 100% legally tips still have a far lower tax burden than wages.

>>12184728
Here's a good book about it, read about the topic for yourself.

Secrets of the Temple
by William Greider.

This sort of stuff was nearly required reading when I was in only grade school.

>>12184090
>>12184101
Signs like these are a sure fire way to make rich people (me) avoid your faggy establishment.

>>12184982
Agreed. Whether the customer pays through tipping or through increased prices its the same money out of their pocket at the end of the day but tipping puts more money in the servers pocket and helps keep prices lower for the customer bottom line.

>>12184923
holy fuck I haven't cringed like this in months. I hope your boss treats you like trash

>>12185009
Or just pay your employees a decent wage while keeping costs low for the costumer, you know, the basics of every business in the history of the world (except for kike businesses)

>>12184953
This is kind of a false equivalency. If you give shitty service to anyone you're going to get a shitty tip, but that doesn't happen more than once a shift for a good server. And if you're not a good server, you're not going to keep your job. Naturally, statistically, most meal services for most servers will be fine with nothing bad happening, so with this study only taking into account one meal period on one day, yeah, no shit you're not going to get any viable deviation or noticeable trends.

My entire point is that the whole study you posted was fucking stupid. It was poorly done and had obvious parts of bad math, with a footnote adding that the person who ran the study contested its results, and concluding that it found basically nothing at all.

You can't use that as proof for anything.

>Most people probably just tip what they're going to tip
This is true only for niggers, boomers, teenagers, and couples with very small children - aka all the poorest groups, and the ones that shouldn't be eating out anyway.
Rich people can be plied out of a lot of money with great service, just as easily as they can be incredibly offended by bad service. I'd like to see this study redone, by industry vets, only on tables of white adults with middle class or greater income.
Tips and service are directly related for those classes of people who can actually afford to eat in restaurants. The rest of the guests are just write-off filler.

>>12184964
I make a lot more money than other people my age who even went to college.
COULD they perhaps achieve a six-digit salary? Maybe, but that's just hopeful. Most don't. Most people go to college and waste thousands of dollars assuming they'll get to come out on top, and most don't.
But I don't have any loan debt or any debt at all, I work four days per week, and I can afford everything I like in excess.
Also, losing an extra $5 to tip a server doesn't blast my ass. So I'd say I'm doing a lot better than the other poster.

>>12184923
>MFW I'm proud I'm not a wagie who relies on tips

That's the truth, you fucking worm. I own my own business, I know the value of a dollar. I'm not going to pay some limp wristed faggot a CENT for moving plates. Relish in the fact that you are a hoe that relies on the scraps of others to survive. You fucking pathetic parasite worm.

>>12184728
If you really want to get into it you can read the enabling laws on loc.gov or perhaps that national archives. I won't do your work for you, just look it up and read and also understand the underlying reasons.

>>12184735
Big tits seem to help as well.

>>12184923
> I suck dick AND get paid for it!

Guys get a load of this waitress calling other people poor. Look at the delusion of these entitled fucks. This just further proves my justification for not giving hand-outs to these idiot low skilled morons.

The funny thing is there isn't a damn thing they could do about it too, I rarely if ever tip lol.

>>12185011
Perhaps she got the job through the casting couch california method?

>>12185017
You seem to think money just appears from nowhere. If server wages need to be $10/hour after tipping is done away with then the cost of food will have to be raised to compensate for the higher wages. You can have one without the other. Its basic business 101. If the price of restaurant food goes up less people will dine out and restaurants will close and those you so adamantly want a "living wage" for will lose their jobs as their industry implodes. It's already happening with mcdonalds implementing ordering kiosks to take the place of cashiers.

>>12185048
The owner could take less pay

>>12185011
I hope it really bothers you that he doesn't.
My boss/GM is also one of the 5 co-owners of the company I work for and he's given me two promotions in six months. I make an hourly wage on top of tips.

>>12185056
Guys, he gets an hourly wage on TOP of tips.

MUH GAWD, call Forbes, Mr. MoneyBags gets a wagie PLUS tips!

Please continue posting, I want to take more screenshots.

>>12185045
>I rarely if ever tip lol.
I rarely if ever have to deal with people like you, so it doesn't matter at all to me. You likely have never spent a few hundred on a bottle of wine, so you're not my target audience.

>>12185028
Keep spewing vitriol, I totally believe that you are firmly secure in your smugness and I totally believe that you are not angry or bitter in any way.

>>12185065
I've spent more than you can imagine you fucking waitress. Man the delusional is unreal with you entitled poor fucks. This is why you will be poor forever, you fucking waitress lmao

>>12185055
I don't know many rich restaurant owners. Its a famously fickle business that requires a huge financial investment to start and is notoriously hard to turn a profit in. If the few owners who actually do turn a decent profit for themselves are forced to give it away then why would they ever get into the business in the first place? The free market is a self correcting ship. Don't try and force it, every time people have tried it has ended in disaster.

>>12185082
Maybe the business doesn't deserve to survive if it cannot afford to pay its employees and turn a profit at the same time? Every single business would go out of business if this was the case, why do we give an exemption to restaurants?

>>12185082
Sometimes they don't care and it's used as a money laundering operation under the guise of a legitimate business.

>>12185026
>I'd like to see this study redone, by industry vets, only on tables of white adults with middle class or greater income.
>Tips and service are directly related for those classes of people who can actually afford to eat in restaurants. The rest of the guests are just write-off filler.
Why are you saying you there isn't a study and then immediately saying you know there's a direct relationship for the thing isn't a study on? Your personal experience isn't a very good thing to go off of. A less than ideal study would still be better than one person's subjective impression of their own individual work experience. Just because you believe you made rich people give you lots of extra money because of service quality doesn't mean there's an actual relationship between the two in the scope of even just your preferred version of customers where they're all above a certain income level and aren't black or whatever other factors you want to limit by. Your own encounters are a vanishingly small portion of encounters in that scope in general, and even then we're also assuming your subjective impression of these encounters matches with what an impartial third party observer would document were they using your encounters as part of their study.

>>12185055
>the owner could take less pay
that seems like it works on the surface, but dig a little deeper and it falls flat. most restaurant owners are not rich multimillionaires. they make under $100k a year statistically. there's only a handful of CEOs and TV superstar chefs who make serious money. For most places you could completely take away 100% of the owner's salary and it wouldn't even come close to being able to make up the difference in wages for all the employees. And don't forget that there are tons of costs linked to this as well that the owner has to bear. Higher total wage payouts mean that the cost of unemployment tax goes up, insurance and workman's comp costs go up, the employer pays additional Federal income tax, and so on. Yeah the CEOs of the big companies are multimillionaires but how far does that money go when those big companies have a bajillion employees? I'm sure there are some cases where employers can, and should, pay more. But the majority of the time the money just isn't there. The restaurant business is crazy risky with something like a 90% statistical failure rate. It's not like most owners are living the high life on the back of their workers. More than likely they're mortgaging their house to cover payroll.

>>12185037
Maybe someone already knew and was willing to share.
I already have to study my own country's as well as european tax laws for a living. Not gonna delve into the american case law clusterfuck.

>>12185095
... it's like a ton of places in NYC not just restaurants where if it tanks it really doesn't matter if it's being used to launder money. Some fucking foreigner will just open it up again in the same location using a different name. Little electronic stores are like that, they likely learned from Crazy Eddie Antar.

Cash only is just one of many possible red flags.

>>12185113
Our laws get really specific depending on jurisdiction.
There's no single federal law that covers all of this stuff.

>>12184832
But the owner IS paying the employee a fair wage. They are charging you more money and giving it to the employee. They're just triggering you by putting up a sign.

>>12185129
>>12185113
... then there's just plain corrupt health inspectors and shit like that. Real podunk hillbillys and shit like that.

>>12184923
>pretending that just because your prices are high your quality is high also
High end restaurants aren’t any better than Mom and pop hole in the walls,
I don’t care how many drink orders you can remember Kyle

>>12185090
Because restaurants are the definition of a luxury service. There is no real reason for them to exist other than people want them too. They serve no actual purpose other than to provide an extravagance for people to spend expendable income on. Price them beyond the point where people deem it worthwhile for the convenience and they will disappear. There is a reason the vast majority of restaurants fail.

>>12185095
Restaurants are actually poor businesses to launder money through. Too many records of sales and food expenditures. If the feds come looking it won't be hard for them to find the money laundering. Services business like tattoo parlors are far better since their are no real records of expenses or verifiable services rendered. I used to launder some of my weed growing money through a computer repair business i owned. Good luck trying to prove i didn't repair an extra 300 computers at $100 a pop in 2015.

>>12184832
Why don't you Pat yourself on the fucken back some more, hillbilly?

>>12184217
And you come across as 100% sucker.

>>12185028
>trump posting
of course you don't tip, you give only money to Israel :^)

>>12184735
>this study is wrong because I personally disagree with it

I'm honestly on board because it's a step towards dismissing tip culture in general, but just add that to the price of the food ffs

>>12184262
Who the fuck is jack and why should I care what he says?

>>12185199
Studies are often incredibly misleading because they're poorly conducted. That study is most certainly one of those.

>>12184090
I mean you may as well just raise your prices 20% and pay a decent wage at that point while enforcing a no tipping policy, although it would probably be ignored by dumdums/people would be turned off by the prices

>>12184090
I worked at a red lobster years ago and if you were waiting on a party of 8 or more, the server had the option to add automatic 18% gratuity. You would do this if you had an all black table obviously. All the customer had to do was argue it with the manager and it was removed.

>>12185139
Money launderers are very good at what they do, I've learned this at BNP Paribas doing anti-money laundering. It's an interesting business learning the sneaky ways creepy fucks use to launder money.

>>12185218
Most people are idiots. Do you know how manh drug dealers i knew who were dumb enough to buy hundreds of thousands of dollars in cars and boats and other bullshit in cash with no way to account for it? Only a select few are smart enough to actually cover their tracks properly.

>>12185230
It makes me think of that scene from Scarface when they're going into some Miami bank with huge bags of cash to be laundered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEvwQgQPkF0
Scarface Push it to the limit

>>12185218
>>12185139
Then how, exactly, did these big launderers eventually get caught in the first place if they were so clever and their schemes were so foolproof? What ultimately gave them away?