/ck/ - Food & Cooking

b-but muh ketones! muh eating as much fat as i want! this (((science))) must be funded by liberals who want to take away muh lard!

we've had like 10 keto threads in the past day
we get it

>>13483824
Dieting with only protein and fat keeps you from getting dizzy and getting cramps

when you diet and your body is only used to burning sugars then you'll need a surplus to avoid those drops in energy

>>13483824
I don't understand how you draw the conclusion that keto doesn't work. All that shit says is that there are other options that ALSO work. Why do people get so ass mad over keto? It has worked for literally thousands of people. If you don't like the fucking diet then don't do the fucking diet. All this seething just makes you seem like a fucking jew that wants us to eat our legumes and (((bugs)))

>>13483925
Its vegan schitzo posting
Im talking with the same samefag in another keto thread, and he can't explain why our digestive tracts are more similar to obligat carnivores like cats and dogs, than they are to omnivores or herbivores.

>>13483824
>Reduced-calorie diets result in clinically meaningful weight loss regardless of which macronutrients they emphasize.
Conclusion: You're retarded or trolling. No-one is claiming that keto is magic.

>>13483824
Worked for me :)

>>13484025
so why do keto over something else?

>>13484069
You are probably removing toxins from your diet depending how you do it.

>being this mad at other peoples choices
Have a (you)
>>13483824

>>13483824
try maintaining protein intake on a cut doing anything BUT keto

>>13484078
ever heard of this?

>>13484069
I currently on keto and plan to be for about 2-4 weeks. I'm on it purely because, for me, I've found it's super good at keeping me from eating too much due to the lower blood sugar thing. It also helps me say no to snacking and other peoples offered food, since it's such a pain in the ass to find a meal that fits keto. Obviously this isnt a long term thing though, I'm just dropping off my holiday weight to try and get back from 200 to 180ish.

>>13484088
thats a baby tier cut if you even consider using that

>>13483824
Why are people so triggered by keto? Why do you care what kind of diet someone else has?

>>13484098
>pure protein
>baby tier cut
You cant cut lower than that. Dumbass

>>13484119
same reason people are against degeneracy in general, it limits exposure of shitty ideas and fads

>>13484142
>degeneracy
Yea man, eating less carbs is right up there with pedophilia, bestiality and homosexuality. You have a mental illness, calm down and take your meds.

>>13484069
Keto doesn't make you lose more weight, it keeps your blood sugar steady and better controls your appetite which helps you stick with a caloric deficit more easily.

>>13483824
whatever the science of the matter says, all i know is doing keto is the only time ive ever managed to lose any weight. maybe it was just the fact that i was avoiding sugar, but it completely killed my appetite which made it super easy

If I went to a McDonald's and saw a sign saying I'm only allowed to stay there for 30 minutes maximum, I'd turn 720° and walk right out. If they don't appreciate me as a customer, then I won't BE their customer.

>>13484078
I am cutting and I am maintaining a high protein intake. It's easy enough if you know what to eat.

>>13484098
>pure protein
>baby tier cut
>protein + fat
>not a baby tier cut
nice logic
btw, from /fit/ wiki:
>Around workout nutrition: Basically, have some protein and carbs 1-3 hours before, and some protein and carbs 0-1.5 hours after
>protein and carbs
>protein
>and
>carbs

>>13484175
same for me. I'm doing carnivore month and I have practically zero desire to eat. In fact, I fasted 6 days because of how much I didnt want to eat. I'm kinda overweight anyway so I just did it. Yesterday I only ate one 250g steak and today I dont feel like eating either but I guess I'll buy some burger patties or maybe an even smaller steak and try putting butter on it.

Keto subhumans btfo

>>13483824
The only people who think keto allows greater weight loss on the same calorie deficit are fucking retards who don't properly track their calorie intake. The actual benefits of keto are hormonal and metabolic.

In no particular order:
1. It keeps your blood sugar low and steady, meaning you won't get the highs and lows associated with a high-carb diet where you have to eat more often or else your blood sugar will drop and you'll get dizzy.
2. It regulates and reduces the release of ghrelin, which is the hormone that makes you feel hungry. Foods with a high concentration of carbs can actually encourage the release of ghrelin, which will make you feel more hungry more often.
3a. When you're fat adapted, you won't feel sluggish when you eat fatty foods because your body is better tuned to burn those fats for energy. On a high-carb diet your body is better tuned to turn carbs into energy. The reverse is true, though: When you're fat adapted, carbs will make you feel sluggish and gross.
3b. Because your body is tuned to more efficiently burn fat into ketones and can more efficiently use those ketones for energy, when your caloric deficit inevitably leads you to burn body fat, that body fat will also be more efficiently used for energy. The result is further control of appetite and a more steady production of energy throughout the day because you're not relying on foods to keep you at full energy and your body fat reserves can help with that way better than they can when you're carb adapted and relying on glucose for that energy.

Keto isn't magic, but it definitely has a lot of benefits, especially when you're trying to lose weight. Most of the above benefits actually help you even when you're not trying to lose weight, though. Try doing some actual research into the benefits of keto from actual doctors and researchers who are proponents of it instead of just looking at the stupid memers who think they should drink cups of oil and don't understand CICO.

>>13484206
>from the /fit/ wiki
I couldn't make it past that line right there

Why do Ketards claim that carbs aren't filling?

>>13484347
Keto tards are mentally ill

I can’t convince my mom that keto is retarded and bad for her. She’s too stubborn.

>>13484074
>Eat tons of animal products in which toxins bioaccumulate
>Hurr this is detoxifying

>>13484329
you couldn't exercize either, fatso

Surprise, the way to not get fat is to not eat like a pig and get exercise semi regularly.

Christ just do whatever works for you and helps you personally, why is that so hard for you people?

>>13483824
>amer*can """research"""

>>13483984
Keto ends up promoting ignorance about what the real problems are, which seem to be modern processed foods and overconsumption. Every person who I know that tried the keto diet didn't exercise, constantly drank soda, and constantly ate junk food. Keto forces them to cut out those processed high calorie low satiety foods. But then they turn around and say fruit and milk is bad because it's higher in carbs.

I'm still glad that it's helped people lose weight because obviously obesity is a big problem today. It's just probably not good long-term for people to not really fully understand the problems, even if it works in the short-term.

>>13484508
>But then they turn around and say fruit and milk is bad because it's higher in carbs.
This is hilarious when the highest satiety foods are carbs.
A potato ""carb bomb"" will fill you up more than any protein.
>>13484347

>>13484078
I dont have to, its the way its been done for millennia jackass.

>>13484347
because this would disprove their magical diet that conveniently excuses their past failures and blames them on carbs.

>>13484471
>eat a bunch of poisonous plant matter
>Hurr this is detoxifying

>>13484519
It will make you feel stuffed then you'll be hungry an hour later. Stop acting smug when you're a faggot shilling potatoes.

>>13484647
Not really unless you're a fat fuck.
Potatoes universally get the highest satiety rating in every study

>>13484328
Shut the fuck up ketard

Can you lose weight on keto? Yes.
Can you lose more weight eating a balanced diet and the same number of calories? Yes.
Is the latter offering significantly better nutrition? Yes.
Is the latter more sustainable and healthier over the long term? Yes.

Keto advocates are dumbasses that lapped up marketing (see also: "toxins," "cleanse," "superfoods," etc.).

so /r/keto are liars huh? I don't trust Reddit but diets are apolitical and they're all losing weight and keeping it off over there.

>>13484200
It's just posted so that they can kick out homeless people and hood rats. If you're just there eating your food and hanging out they're unlikely to enforce the policy. Besides:

>staying inside a McDonald's for longer than it takes to eat your food

Why not just follow whatever routine you find works best? Some people can do well on keto, some don't, so long as the routine you follow works it's not a big deal.

>>13484677
I'll save you the trouble next time with pic related

>>13484508
Didnt even read but shut the fuck Up faggot

>>13484680
Because sticking to your diet is what matters most. You could be on a diet of Twinkies and lose weight as long as you follow CICO.

>>13484683
>>13484682
You will never pass.

>>13484705
That says even less than what you're responding to, did you even read it?

>>13484721
Go back to your discord, chimera.

>>13484714
Maybe if you were in a prison cell you could lose weight on Twinkies. Normal people are gonna go for more food after eating those Twinkies. Feels like you just ignored my post really. You're weird.

>>13484725
I wish you'd ignored my post. I'll just have to settle for your suicide?

>>13484142
Ah nope, people understand the concept degeneracy by exposing them to degeneracy.

>>13484725
But there's lots of carbs that fill you up at low calories?
What's the point of keto if you're not a diabetic?

>>13484725
correct, because Twinkies and cookies as a whole provide very little satiety. fibrous carbs are way more filling and are good for losing weight

>>13484142
>complaining about degeneracy on 4chan

>>13484677
>lose more weight eating [...] the same number of calories
That's not how it works. If KetoMan and RegularGuy eat the same number of calories, they're losing/gaining the same (assuming they're otherwise identical)

>>13484951
no you're wrong, magic keto fairy comes to good boys who stay in ketosis and takes the calories away

>>13484019
There's been a solid group of about 3 vegans who have been shitting up this board for fucking years now. I'm pretty sure they coordinate through discord or something. They get obsessed with something for a while and then move on. Before Keto it was eating steak rare. They don't come right out and straight spam vegan shit, they're indirect about it. It's like they try to push carnivore diets and keto and other shit just to "debunk" it themselves. and that's supposed to convince everyone to eat vegan.

Dear Vegans, it's not about being 100% vegan. That's just a meme. It's okay for people to just reduce their meat intake naturally, as part of a reduced calorie diet. If you're one of the vegans who do it for the environment, reducing meat consumption is fine. Getting 1000 people to cut their meat down by 25% is better than getting 10 people to go vegan. You don't have to resort to weird Cambridge Analytica style cyberwarfare. You don't have to trick people or spam your shit everyday. Just stop being autistic about it.

>>13483824
>PubMed

Keto is a religion they don't care about science

>>13484951
you dont understand shit about the human body. You could be taking in 3000 calories of something and not digest 50% of it and simply shit it out. Just because you "take something in" doesnt mean anything. It could also be processed differently. If you eat carbs it will line your intestinal walls with proteins that stimulate fat growth. If you had eaten a steak instead, those molecules in the intestines would not cause a fat generation reaction and could be used for various other tasks in the body. Of course, you already know that calories in - calories out is not true. It's mentally retarded to claim so. If you eat 3000 calories of ice cream every day, will you look the same as if you eat 3000 calories of healthy meat and veggies? No of course not, but your IQ is so insanely low, you dont understand anything.

>>13484951
That IS how it works. I'm sorry you're behind on your nutritional science and think a calorie is just a calorie, but a few months ago Dr. Greger put together a big series of videos explaining the weight-loss differences between keto vs. plant-based diets with equal calories. Keto lost in overall fat loss. Not only that, but meal-timing and frequency also have effects (again, assuming equal calories).

But hey, at least you can go learn something now.

>>13484989
elaborate

>>13485003

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19246357
>Comparison of weight-loss diets with different compositions of fat, protein, and carbohydrates.
>CONCLUSIONS: Reduced-calorie diets result in clinically meaningful weight loss regardless of which macronutrients they emphasize.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7096307_Ketogenic_low-carbohydrate_diets_have_no_metabolic_advantage_over_nonketogenic_low-carbohydrate_diets
>Ketogenic low-carbohydrate diets have no metabolic advantage over nonketogenic low-carbohydrate diets
>KLC and NLC diets were equally effective in reducing body weight and insulin resistance, but the KLC diet was associated with several adverse metabolic and emotional effects. The use of ketogenic diets for weight loss is not warranted.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27385608
>Energy expenditure and body composition changes after an isocaloric ketogenic diet in overweight and obese men.
>The carbohydrate-insulin model of obesity posits that habitual consumption of a high-carbohydrate diet sequesters fat within adipose tissue because of hyperinsulinemia and results in adaptive suppression of energy expenditure (EE). Therefore, isocaloric exchange of dietary carbohydrate for fat is predicted to result in increased EE, increased fat oxidation, and loss of body fat. In contrast, a more conventional view that "a calorie is a calorie" predicts that isocaloric variations in dietary carbohydrate and fat will have no physiologically important effects on EE or body fat.
>CONCLUSION: The isocaloric KD was not accompanied by increased body fat loss but was associated with relatively small increases in EE that were near the limits of detection with the use of state-of-the-art technology.

>>13484674
Good argument, bud.

>>13485003
what if you did vegan keto ?

>>13485011
It's become a rubber stamp factory for anyone with an advanced degree who wants to say they've published papers. A monkey with a paid degree could have a paper hosted by them.

>>13485003
don’t feel like watching his series, but i love shitting on keto
going to assume it’s because by eating a balanced diet at deficit, you burn through your low carb count (normal people aren’t eating 400 carbs a day) and start using fat extremely quickly
this is why ketards tell you that you enter ketosis after 24 hours
but ketards eat their calorie intake in fat which has to be burned before fat storages are used
>150g of carbs
>40g of fat
>85g protein is used for muscle repair
vs
>120g of fat
>85g of protein being converted to glucose to save your body from a retarded meme diet
>50g of fake carbs in shitty keto diet foods so ketards can cope

>>13485023
Nutritionfacts synthesizes tens of thousands of studies for their research every year. I could dig up and link the dozens and dozens provided for his keto research, but it seems you're too busy letting cherry-picked data and preconceived notions get in the way of understanding.

Have fun with that.

>>13484979
Have sex

>>13485029

>>13484999
>cico isnt true cuz uhhhhhh fuck you

Yeah so IQ. Lose weight you fucking momscience cuck

>>13485061
CICO is a useful guide but it isn't the end-all be-all of weight loss. It doesn't factor in nutritive differences in diet and the impact that has on both health and nutrition, it doesn't factor in long-term health (only weight loss), and it doesn't account for metabolic slowdown that accompanies extended weight-loss. But sure, make yourself look like an ass by regurgitating the outdated and simplistic science you're clinging to.

>>13484999
>You could be taking in 3000 calories of something and not digest 50% of it and simply shit it out.
according to what, alternative keto science? or maybe if you have stomach malfunction?
>If you eat carbs it will line your intestinal walls with proteins that stimulate fat growth. If you had eaten a steak instead, those molecules in the intestines would not cause a fat generation reaction and could be used for various other tasks in the body.
biggest load of bs i have seen so far. how about the fact that de novo lipogenesis is really inefficient, and barely accounts for any weight gain?

>>13485073
That's not the argument you backpedaling fucking retard. You said CICO isnt true. Nutritional differences have no bearing on this

>>13485073
>oh no CICO is simplistic and dumb
>here's a diet that lowers your appetite so I eat less calories and lose weight
>so this proves CICO wrong

>>13485091
He has no ability to read a textbook or paper longer than three sentences so he just plugs in his positronic membrane to the latest ketarded cult mass and redistributes the anti-science ramblings as such

>>13485042
>denies science
>posts no sources
>gets butthurt
Lmao

Keto just works. Only a fool or liar would deny it, and scientists are both. The real reason they don't want you to go on a keto diet is because it cures sugar addiction.

>>13484175
>maybe it was just the fact that i was avoiding sugar, but it completely killed my appetite
No shit dumbass, sugar suppresses satiety.

>>13485096
I didn't say CICO wasn't true, you dumb puddle of shit. That was someone else.

>>13485102
>mis-reads a post
>makes a retarded analogy based on lack of understanding
Hoo boy, sure is manchild up in here.

>>13485113
>cherry picks data
>ignores counter-arguments
>ad homs
Lmao

>>13483925
It's a popular diet with a ton of success stories. Thus, 4chan rules dictate we must oppose it.
CONTRARIO CONFIDO! SEMPER COUNTERCULTURALIS!

>>13484069
Because sugar is cancer and cutting it out lost me 50 lbs.
We can improve America so much if we could send an anti sugar message to all the food companies.

>>13484714
That would be fucking miserable, tho.
Granted, the first 3 weeks of keto are also hell, but afterwards you just feel amazing.

>>13484069
Lots of reasons. Cures diabetes, manages epilepsy, starves some cancers, clears brain fog.

>>13484508
>Keto ends up promoting ignorance about what the real problems are,
jews always promote ignorance no matter the type of (((journalist))). Keto is fine.

>>13484347
>no high fat foods except "cheese"
>keto

>>13484951
>gaining the same
Yes
>losing the same
No. And that's what makes the difference. Carbs get stored in the body easier, making them harder to lose. Keto decreases the amount of effort needed to lose calories.

>>13484999
Trips of truth. But your argument isn't saying that CICO is wrong, it's saying he doesn't understand how the CO part works.

>>13485029
That would be the hardest, most grueling diet to ever be tried.

>>13484094
good luck man. I think trying any diet will force you to look at what you're eating, which, even if the diet fails, you'll have that insight for the future.

>>13485734
how do carbs get stored easier when it’s the first energy source burned in your body and your glycogen storages can hold up to 400g of carbs for immediate energy before being converted to fat?

If your on carbs doesn't your body release hormones that makes your body just use carbs for energy, and wont touch your fat storage?

>>13486392
>keto science

>>13486392
no?...

>>13486350
Well, by removing carbs, you force your body to burn the ones you already have.
Keto works because the American diet is very carb heavy.

>>13485734
>Carbs get stored in the body easier
with a calorie surplus, like 85% of fat eaten can be stored as bodyfat while only 75% of carbs can. at least according to one study i looked at a while ago.

>>13486395
>>13486400

Can the body use glucose and ketones as energy at the same time?

>>13486468
Fat has a bad name in America and carbs are easier to get, though.
Perhaps this is the reason Keto gets results: it's psychological. You reduce a large amount of available food just by starting.

>>13484604

This

I always knew this place was a shithole, but it's so much more apparent in a thread like this. Watching retarded manchildren cling to their anti-science memeshit they learned about on Facebook because 2nd cousin Ambulcetus Annie lost 10 pounds in 2019 by avoiding potato chips is just the worst.

>>13486492
>Perhaps this is the reason Keto gets results: it's psychological. You reduce a large amount of available food just by starting.
i think that's mainly what it is. it seems easier to really overeat when you have a mix of everything. like bread and butter is easy to binge on, but just plain bread or plain butter isn't.

>>13486481
Yes, but the efficiency is better if you use much more of one than the other. Someone on a high-carb diet will process carbs and glucose for energy more efficiently than fat and ketones. Vice versa for someone on a keto diet. They are very different metabolic processes and the signals and hormones required for one are not fully compatible with the other. Going full tilt one direction or the other (LCHF or HCLF) is better. Doing both high carb and high fat at the same time is just plain bad news for anyone. The healthiest high carb diets are very low in fat. The healthiest high fat diets are very low in carbs. There's good reason for that.

>>13485525
i mean thats why I put that in there, because I know sugar has that effect, but dont know if carbs in general do too or if there are also other things at play.
also, what an awkward way of phrasing that, just say it increases your appetite, faggot

>>13486764
It does not increase appetite. Biologically speaking it very specifically suppresses satiety. It prevents you from feeling satiated. Faggot.

>>13486781
whats the difference?

>>13486698
>theres a good reason for that
yeah because protein is essential or your body will start to shut down almost immediately and you cant eat high protein, carbs, and fat without becoming a fat fuck?

>>13486791
It doesn't make you any hungrier than you already are, it stops you from feeling full after eating.
If sugar made you hungrier, then people with appetite problems could simply take a sugar pill and be cured.

>>13486492
how are carbs easier to get than fat? you have to eat 2x the volume of carbs to reach the same amount as fat

>>13485029
Unsustainable since living off tofu and hemp sucks. Which is why vegans hate keto so fiercely. They know it can only really be done with meat, cheese, eggs.

>>13486864
Companies started cutting fat out of everything as a marketing stunt

>>13487171
fat was never actually bad for you, dont fall for the lies of big sugar

>>13487171
ok? and your point is????.....
you'd have to eat 200g of carbs to get the same calories that you get from 100g of fat
you can't buy fat in america? cheese? steak? cream? nuts? oil? bacon?

How do Ketards explain Japan and other carb loving countries living so long plus being less overweight?

>>13487427
they either ignore it, say that japan starves themselves, or that japan doesnt eat sugar
which has nothing to do with keto

>>13483824
>Comparison of weight-loss diets
So a half-assed study with shitty controls found no difference. k.

>>13487445
can you link a clinical trial proving keto is better than just reducing your calorie intake?
a case study isn't a clinical trial

>>13483824
>emotional effects.

Dropped. Psych is not real science.

>>13484069
I went from about 2 migraines a week to about one a year after going into keto. If I go off for too long (holidays) I start getting near misses where I get mild pre-migraine auras without actually getting the headache. within a few days of going back on keto they go away. I suspect carnivore would work too, but then carnivore is also keto...

>>13487594
and?

>>13483824
Keto works great and vegans are seething. Mainly because there's no way to be a vegan keto eater.

>endo addicts failed again
Kek @ u. Never gonna make it~

i thought keto was to prevent precious muscle mass loss

>>13483824
keto diet = expensive food that usually must be bought continuously.

very low fat high starch diet = extremely cheap food that can be stored for very long periods at home, meaning less trips to the supermarket. Foods include dried beans, oats, rice, flour, pasta, etc.

No surprise that keto is promoted everywhere. It is good for business.

a high carb diet does not cause a crash that creates hunger. A high fat high carb diet does that. It is much easier, healthier and cheaper to cut out the fat than cut out carbs.

>>13487427
>Japan and other carb loving countries living so long
as far as this go someone is working on a study right now actually, the early findings seem to report that they are just lying about how old people are or at the very least haven't been keeping the records properly

>>13490541
Proof?
That's a pretty bold claim to justify your meme diet.

Japan is literally suffering from too many old people and your statement doesn't discount other high life expectancy countries that eat mostly carbs like Italy.

>>13490541
>they MUST be lying

This has got to be the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Tin foil hats all around

>>13490464
>keto diet = expensive food that usually must be bought continuously.
>very low fat high starch diet = extremely cheap food that can be stored for very long periods at home, meaning less trips to the supermarket. Foods include dried beans, oats, rice, flour, pasta, etc.
Bro, you don't have a freezer in your home? I haven't gone to the grocery store any more frequently since changing to keto, I've just altered my storage methods. It's really not even that expensive in the grand scheme of things because I don't buy keto-branded processed meme foods. Ground beef, chicken, fish, eggs, cheese, greens... These aren't terribly expensive foods. Keto doesn't have to be steak, ribs, and bacon every meal.

>>13483824
>>13483884
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19246357
>[Carbohydrates were 65%, 55%, 45%, and 35%].
"That's not keto."

>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7096307_Ketogenic_low-carbohydrate_diets_have_no_metabolic_advantage_over_nonketogenic_low-carbohydrate_diets
(>>13484170)
(>>13484328)
"Insulin is fat-sparing." .. What's important during researching *different types of low-carb* (which this was, and *listed them as more effective than carbohydrate diets*) is nutrient availability and insulinogenics timing.

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27385608
>predicted increased EE, fat oxidation ..
Fat oxidation relies on energy (acetyl-CoA*) and other aspects. Even caffeine stops obviously effecting increased fat burning after a small period (~weeks), but that's logically because of downregulation from low antioxidants / potency and catecholamine and serotonin metabolites (spoiler: ~nothing else really explains why increased correlatives of physiological stimulation aren't resulting).

So:
>Keto doesn't work
>[Lying].

*). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetyl-CoA#Intermediates_in_various_pathways

>>13484069
It's subjecting dietary options to "~fewer" for "actual essentials" (amongst still, reasonably, having benefits of each – *very specific carbs* being utilized for cellular compounds; and prioritizing hypoglycemia effecting aspects of "a repeatable, adulthood puberty").

>>13484206
>from /fit wiki
"That's not ~technically an argument."

>>13484234
"No."

PS:
>[Felt poorly about that garbage; posted it anyway].

>>13484347
>[Surveys].
"No."

(>>13484364)
"What's filling is full nutrition."

>>13484471
It's plausible doing keto on protein powders.

>>13484508
>Keto forces them to cut out those processed high calorie low satiety foods. But then they turn around and say fruit and milk is bad because it's higher in carbs.
*You* were ~non-sequitur, albeit somewhat accurate because the intensity of ignoring sugars has demographics snacking less ..

>>13484508
>>13491347
.. Which helps avoidance of mediocre-ly placed insulinogenics, thus contributing to hormones.

>>13491347
>>[Surveys].
(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Peter_Petocz/publication/15701207_A_Satiety_Index_of_common_foods/links/00b495189da413c16d000000/A-Satiety-Index-of-common-foods.pdf )

>>13491347
>>13491354
>>13491373
youve taken up three posts to say absolutely nothing

>>13491523
That’s the brain on keto

>>13491354
>insologenics
>hey guys, if I use a term that sounds scientific it proves my point!

>>13491523
>>13491612
>>13491645
>[Not a specific criticism or argument].

>>13491661
neither are any of your mass reply posts and its not worth posting even more evidence to btfo keto when you think insologenics is a term

>>13491661
Secure tripcodes are for faggots. You have no hope of engaging in reasonable discourse now.

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>>13491668
>>13491675
>[Lied].

>>13491728
Autism: The Post. I don't even know what the fuck you're arguing about, I just needed to point out you're a faggot.

>>13491737
This. What a faggot.

>>13491347
>>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7096307_Ketogenic_low-carbohydrate_diets_have_no_metabolic_advantage_over_nonketogenic_low-carbohydrate_diets
You can become fat-adapted without being in ketosis, dummy. That link agrees with me that fat adaptation and low carb diets have positive effects. I don't give a shit about the actual state of ketosis. Being in ketosis 24/7 is a fucking meme.

>>13483824
So what set the vegans off again?

>>13483824
I'm sure we can trust this study after 50 years of scientists killing tens of millions of Americans by demonizing fat in favor of carb based diets

if you don't understand how deeply analyze both science and the entire world at large the existence of a study is completely meaningless and not evidentiary of anything

very few people on this site are both intelligent and educated enough to understand what they are talking about in regards to science

>>13491869
>hurrr none of us understand shit bro the world is too complicated for us
>btw scientists are trying to kill everyone on earth by performing clinical trials even though not one clinical trial exists with pro-keto results...

>>13491874
so you have absolutely no idea about the biggest scandal in science of all time which was University and government researchers being in the pocket of sugar companies and grain companies for literally 50 years and yet you still see fit to talk

Like I said

>>13491347
PS:
>nutrient availability and insulinogenics timing
Such as whey vs. casein, the absorption period (and calcium) producing greater fat losses and lean gains.

>>13491874
"Full nutrition amongst diets is some 1%."

>>13483824
keto is extremely restrictive but once people are "done dieting" they rebound because then they "can eat whatever they want"
wow, no study needed
just like every other fucking fad diet
change your lifestyle completely or keep being a fat retard

The sheer amount, and size of the strawmen in this thread could feed all cattle in the world for a whole year.

>>13490464
but does it actually work for weight loss? also, how fucking sad is a diet of mostly carbs gonna be? one of keto's strengths is that you can still eat nice food

>>13490621
the explanation ive always heard for italy is the olive oil, that shits pretty good for you.
as for japan/other asian countries, could easily just be genetics, they're so far removed from us in the gene pool. also culturally they eat a lot less (no obesity epidemic) which probably contributes a lot to life expectancy

>>13491951
or don't bother with a diet and just eat healthily, but all of those fags complaining they can't lose weight always guzzle big macs the exact minute that their diet week is finished

>>13490621
They also eat roughly 10x the salt of westerners and chain smoke cigarettes. Maybe it's all the salt and smoke that is preserving them

>>13483824
No one sensible ever thought that keto worked because of some difference in metabolic activity. The pop-science around it is made up to sell you things, like piss-testing strips.
Keto diets work the same way every successful diet works: calorie restriction. The functional path here being that meat and fat is more satiating than carbohydrates, causing you to "unintentionally" consume fewer calories without necessarily calorie counting.