/ck/ - Food & Cooking

pho is honestly more accessible.

pho makes me sleepy as fuck and the meat they put in there is flavorless and has disgusting texture

>>14214458
Pho is better

I like chicken wings the most.

Pho is more filling, simply because there's an absurd amount of it.
Ramen has more "flavour", but as for which is better that's really a matter of taste.

phofags are the worst

>>14214458
ramen = flavor bomb
pho = diluted soup water

>>14214466
>pho is honestly more accessible.
What does this even mean?

>>14214458
ramen - salt
pho - refreshing water

>>14214458

Ramen is superior but places can really fuck it up by trying to make it more than it should be.

Pho is a meme and almost always disappointing, no matter how much praise someone may give a particular place. At best it's fine.

>>14214536
Vietnamese people are a large immigration demographic, so pho places are much more common than ramen, especially for folks in the interior.

>>14214458
That's like compairing McDonalds to a steak house.

>>14214458
Is pho okay if I get it delivered? I've never had it and I don't want my first time to suck.

>>14214458
Depends heavily on the type and where you get it from but I lean towards pho. There's a mom & pop place near my house that does a spicy lemongrass beef broth that's unlike anything I've tried anywhere else. Also their noodles are fantastic, I think they might make them in house. Ramen can be pretty damn good but hipsters ruined it and now it's too expensive for what's supposed to be street food.

>>14214458
doesn't foe taste like fish?

>>14214458
pho is one of the most over rated food while ramen is god tier when done correctly

>>14214598
Yeah, was hungover early in quarantine and craved some pho. I had my doubts but its decent in delivery, plus you can save some of it and re-heat the broth later on the stove.

>>14214598
I tried pho for the first time not too long ago. Because of the flu season I had to pick it up. They gave me the bowl and the broth in separate containers. The noodles were stuck together in a lump at the bottom, inseparable. I scooped up spoonfuls of noodles like I was scooping ice cream. It was actually quite good.
One thing to note is that if you refrigerate pho for a second time, make sure not to mix the broth with the bowl, because the broth will become murky. When I reheated it, it was edible, but rather disgusting.

>>14214647
The one I got tasted like spice. I'm still not quite sure which spice was used. I was unable to recognize it.

>>14214478
this was my experience

>>14214818
tip
put the noodles into the pot that you're reheating the broth in the last second you're heating it
it'll make it easy to separate

>>14214566
Its pretty true here where I live. Theres like 10 pho places within a 30 min drive from my house. If I want ramen I gotta head down town which can take 1-2 hours, since the few Japanese here all live in one specific area.

>>14214458
I like both but for different situations. Pho is amazing when you're sick and there's nothing more comfy than a bowl of ramen when it's cold.

>>14214458
Pho is light broth
Ramen can be heavy, in fact the best ramen broths are quite heavy.

In terms of flavor complexity and how well it fills your stomach, ramen wins both technically. But you want ramen on a cold Japanese night, and Pho on a bright Vietnamese morning.

>>14214909
It was already steaming hot when I got it home, I wasn't going to heat it up more.

>>14214458
Why not both?

For making at home: ramen. It's easier and just as good as the restaurant.
For eating out, pho. I can't cook pho for shit. I never get the spices right. : (
Honourable mention: curry laksa udang.

>>14214478
I also agree

>>14214495
/thread

Pho is cheaper. In LA I could get a bowl for 8 bucks. Ramens are like 12 bucks minimum.

>>14215634
Those prices sadly have nothing to do with the food, and everything to do with the lease cost and corners cut.

>>14214458
pho>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ramen
cheap and filling as a bonus

>spelled "pho"
>pronounced "fuh"

>>14215769
bloody foreigners

>>14215769
No, it's pronounced foe

>>14215976
ask a zipperhead how it's pronounced.

all i'm saying is that if it's pronounced like that, spell it like that.

>>14214458
udon

>>14215982
Go to a vietnamese place and tell them that's how it's pronounced. Don't let some asshole try to bully you.
Next time some dipshit tells you 'it's pronounced fa' ask them how they say spaghetti and when they don't sound like a FOB italian punch them in the face.

>>14216001
cringe

>>14216001
based and bluepilled

I prefer pho. The meat you get in it is hit or miss but I prefer the noodles to Ramen. I just hate the chewy texture that is popular.

>>14214458
ramen for both, but only if you can get the real stuff. most places in usa only have access to """""ramen""""" and not ramen. also pho is almost universally and consistently good even at the cheapest hole in the wall vietnamese places.

>>14215976
F O E
O
E

why did they spell it pho if its pronounced fuh

>>14214458
ramen is way better bro

>>14214458
I like both.

>>14216084
>>14215769
probably because the french

Pho.

Here's a tip, next time you order beef pho, get your beef on side in a plate. The broth will be hot enough to cook the meat when it arrives. Just put in the meat when it gets to you so the meat doesn't get overcooked.

>>14214458
Ramen is 100% more flavour unless you get beef/pigs blood broth for the Pho. Noodles in Pho tend to be bland.

Pho is 100% more filling however

Why are so many anons talking about “the meat they put in” pho? Do you not have a choice? Every pho place I’ve been to has a lot of different options for meat. My favorite is brisket, I also like bo vien (kinda like meatballs)

>>14214458
ramen
also ramen

>>14214458
Both pretty good, I think I prefer pho these days, I know a decent place. But to be honest, I don't really like any soup noodle dishes much, give me Bian Mien or dry Dandan over either.

>>14214458
Are you kidding me? Pho is literal peasant food limp flaccid noodles in insipid pisswater broth that the Vietnamese use to scam ppl by charging $12 a bowl.

Ramen is the best noodle soup in existence, especially a good shio or shoyu tonkotsu broth

>>14214598
Most Pho places will deliver pho in pieces. Broth in one container, noodles in another, and veggies, meat, n shit in another.
Basically you just reheat the broth and you're ready to eat.

In my area, Pho is cheaper and you get a lot of food. I can get a huge bowl of pho for less than $10
Ramen is more tasty, but a mediocre sized bowl of ramen is $15, and I need to get an appetizer to make a meal out of it.
There's a cheaper place that does ok ramen for $10, but honestly if I'm getting ramen, I'm just going to the good place.

>>14214458
Glass noodles > wheat noodles anyday
Eating ramen at a legit ramen shop was kino but the first time I ever had pho was a transcending experience.

>>14214478
a good soup/broth should make you drowsy, I think that's a good sign. also, the meat is sliced so thinly that the near-boiling broth cooks the meat for you, it shouldn't have been disgusting in texture at least. can be a bit bland I'll admit.

>>14216184
I mean, yeah. That's how pho is generally served

>>14216851
There was this place near San Diego (in El Cajon I think) where i was served Pho just like that. It was delicious and indeed very filling. I'm being wishing finding a place as a good as that one where I live to no avail.

Pho is much better. Ramen is good if you like everything tasting like fish taint. plus usually pork is common in ramen which is a bottom tier meat. Nothing compared to some brisket pho.

>>14214458
If pho didn't taste like how a freshly mowed lawn smells, there might be a contest. Fuck lemongrass.

>>14217127
nothing's wrong with mowed lawn smell

Pho is better when it's a properly made bone broth that has been stewed for hours on end. Some restaurants cut corners by using a powder broth

>>14214458
Both can be amazing. Both can be terrible. Really depends on the restuarant. I've had real meh pho and those of you who say you hate pho you probably aren't eating it right. Ramen at least when it hits your table you can eat it as is and it'll be fine.

>>14217357
MMMMM YUM YUM , ME ROVE SHITTY SMELL OF YARDWORK IN MY POVERTY SOUP.

>>14217406
a man that doesn't appreciate the smell of mowed lawn is no true man

>>14214554
>Ramen is superior but places can really fuck it up by trying to make it more than it should be.

This desu, it's also easy to fuck up too, really. I've had some really good ramen, and some really shitty ramen at the same exact place.

That being said if you find a good ramen place run by koreans or actual japs it's usually pretty consistently quality in my experiences. The best ramen I've ever had was at a ramen place run by koreans immigrants and they played jpop on the radio. But I've never been to Japan or anything so take that with a grain of salt.

Conversely my worst ramen experience was at a local hipster chain called Crane Ramen. It was good the first couple times I went and then I went like a year later that that and it was pretty booty.

Surprised to see alot of pho hate. I fucking love pho.

>>14217421
I was going to make some tomorrow, but should I make braised pork with it or pan seared salmon? I'm tired of chicken.

>>14217127
Lemongrass and mowed lawns do not smell alike, retard.

>>14217432
I love braised pork so that would be my choice.

both are shit tier. just eat raw fruits and veggies you heathens.

>>14217432

salmon is literal trash fish. why do you think it's so readily available in both nature and markets?
it takes second crap place only to sardines, anchovies and tilapia

>>14214458
Phoueeahh is garbage.

>>14216184
Enjoy diarrhea.

>>14217599
are you trying to catch salmon with that bait?

>>14216084
the "o" actually has a curly "?" on the top. That special "o" makes the "uh" sound. "o" normal is "aw", "o" + "^" top-hat makes the "oh" sound, and "o"+"?" top-curly makes the "uh" sound.
pho = "faw"
pho with ^ = "foe" or "foh"
pho with ? = "fuh"

Thing is, saying it like "fuh" is wrong too. There's also another separate question mark over the entire word. The correct way to pronounce it is "fuh??", like you're asking a question, or you're confused. Kinda like how you'd say "huh??" Honestly, since everyone calls it "foe", i myself would rather hear that than someone say "fuh", because that's still wrong, but a little more pretentiously wrong. Like, they tried to be more correct, but they still failed, but think they're better than those who say "foe".

Either call it "foe" or actually say it right: "fuh??"

>>14217815
autism incarnate

>>14217815

based

>>14217409
Oooh yeah, I sure appreciated it for the first 10 times I'd mow an acre and a half. But you get real fucking sick of it after a year or two in the south. But yeah, unlike urbanites, I associate the smell of cut grass with sweating my ass off with a pushmower and knowing I have to mow again in a few days.

>>14217475
Yeah, I guess mowing your gay little suburban lawn doesnt smell like lemongrass.

>>14217815
Broken romanization in general triggers me. Basically any language that uses sounds not common in languages with the roman alphabet get transliterated into some bullshit like they didn't even try. Practically every example it's clearly possible to make it more accurate within the limited lettering available instead of arbitrarily deciding that this group of two or three letters has a pronunciation not seen anywhere else in any language when used with the occasional word borrowed from this asian language. Sometimes it's lazily using a similar looking letter, as with pho and acai, but most of the time it's just complete bullshit.

>>14214503
Yupp... It's shit.

Pho is knock off French soup you scavenged out of a road side ditch....

>>14214458
You cant beat good pho when youve got the sniffles. Clears up my head within a few hours.

I've never tried ramen. From my experiences as a half-vietnamese, I can tell that the taste of pho is actually quite weak, mainly because it is a breakfast food. You don't want to start your day with something heavy.
I'd say that a more savory soup like bun bo would be a better comparison for ramen.
For someone that wants to try a soup with a more delicate(ie. less) flavor than pho, bun rieu basically tastes like diluted tomato soup. Somehow chinese people often prefer that over pho.

>>14214458
Ramen is a culinary art form. There's bad ramen out there but when done well it's a really outstanding dish.
Pho is glorified beef water for hipsters.

>>14218508
Sure, weeabo.

>>14214458

Ramen is heavy and flavourful and very filling but sometimes it can be too heavy, like on a hot day. Pho is light and refreshing with a milder flavour.

Both are good

>>14214458
>Which has more flavor?
>Which is more filling?
I think it's Ramen in both cases but I much prefer Pho.

Pho is a lighter dish and the flavours are more subtle and complex than Ramen. I think a good Pho is much better than a good Ramen. I studied in Vietnam and practically lived on Pho Ga and never got sick of it, I'm pretty sure I'd get sick of Ramen in a few days.

What additions do you add to your pho?
My family serves it with a range of side ingredients which you can add:
lemon, lime, fish sauce, oyster sauce, bean sprouts, spring onions, cilantro, mint, thai basil.
Personally I start with spring onions and add cilantro once halfway through the bowl.

>>14214536
Basically Vietnam is a poor shit hole so more people leave it and Japan is a more civilized rich country so less people migrate away.

>>14218689
When I've made it in the past, vinegar onion, bean sprout, lime, hung que and chili. You know: the typical stuff. My mom never made it because she said she couldn't get the spices right and neither can I so I don't bother anymore.
>oyster sauce
Hey whiteboi, do you mean hoisin sauce?

>>14218684
Do you like hu tieu? I like it better than pho, but I ain't hatin' on pho, either. Both are good, but I fucks with pork so hu tieu all the way for me.

>>14214458
This is like arguing who won at the special Olympics. Tom yum and Tom kha shit all over this weeb and commie shit. Hell, even phoking (pun intended) mul nang myeon is better and that shit is served on ice. I'm sure Laos even has something better than ramen or pho.

>>14219039
Are you a retard or something? it's 4chan what do you expect

>>14219039
hi Mark, where are the bodies?

>>14219039
1) Laos is commie, too.
2) Laos also eats pho. But since you mention Lao food, geng nor mai, despite looking like baby poop, is really quite good. Eat it with some Lao jerky and your set.
>tom kha
It's okay. Tom hua pa (literally "fish head soup) is better, IMO, prolly cuz I just prefer the stronger taste of tamarind v galangal. I always thought tom kha was Lao, anyway, but I'm not really sure.
Back to Thailand, what's that pink soup made with red tofu or red rice called? That's the best one out of all the SEA soups, I think.

>>14217815
I feel like this is only a problem if you're dumb or American.
British English "fur" is the closest you'll get with a native English pronunciation.

>>14214598
I order pho regularly and even when it's in the same container it tastes pretty much the same as restaurant
I guess if it travelled a long way the noodles could get soggy but it's not ramen you have to speedrun after cooking

>>14214598
Everything except pho tai, you cant' get the rare steak to the right temperature if it's delivery.

>>14214458
Ramen is better, Pho tastes like ass.

It is easy to fuck up ramen. Unless I know the place is reputable, I go for pho. Pho is braindead easy to make palatable.

>>14214458
The correct answer is ramen.

Pho seems like such a meme food, I dunno, everytime I've had it it's always been alright, then the excuse police always kicks in.
>maybe they're still figuring out their spices
>you should just try another bowl next time
>let's go to this other place, they make it really good!
I dunno, I've had more consistency with ramen and udon than I have with fucking pho.

>>14219509
Now that you mention it, pho does tend to taste different place to place but ramen pretty much always tastes the same. I know why ramen does that, though: many places use "ramen base," which is sold in large buckets. I've seen it for myself.
Not bitchin' about it. Just stating it as fact. I'd rather have consistent stuff for $12 a bowl rather than a gamble for $8. But man, when you get a good pho place, it's really, really good. The sad thing is, it seems to seldom stay good for long. idk if they switch cooks or something, but it'll be good for months then suddenly go bad. It's maddening.

>>14214458
Ramen has more flavour and overall is better in every way. It depends on what "size" you get, which can vary place to place, but if we're speaking in terms of pure mass, then generally pho will be more filling.
>>14219039
Retarded opinion for retarded men

>>14219509
It isn't meant to be an uber complex food like white hipsters think it is. Pho is meant to be something you cook and eat with your family and at the end of the day it's just a beef noodle soup. Definitely not the same as ramen where there's a million shops trying to create upscale ramen with "complex" flavors to impress people

>>14219509
I learned recently that there's some distinction between northern and southern Vietnamese and their pho. Apparently Northern tends to be a bit sweeter? Maybe I read a bullshit comment but its something interesting to take note. Where I eat pho, I found that early hours when the place opens, their broth is a little less flavorful but later on close to closing, their broth is a lot tastier. Maybe it has to do with the fact they are stewing a big vat of broth all day?

>>14214458
is it that time of the month to run this retarded thread?

>>14214458
>Which has more flavor?
Broth is just tastier in pho, and the ingredients are a perfect marriage what is so good about asian food, of aroma, salt, sweet, sour, cold and hot all at once. Anise, ginger, green chilies, onions, cilantro, basil, bean sprouts, sriracha, fish sauce, limes, hoisin, it's all there.
>Which is more filling?
You get pork in ramen, plus eggs, and egg noodles, so this edges a little bit in filling, but size of bowl might determine how much actual broth.

>>14214598
>Is pho okay if I get it delivered? I've never had it and I don't want my first time to suck.
Should be fine to rewarm it at home. Noodles and beef in the noodles will be okay even if oversoftened. Make sure they include all toppings! You'll need the optional condiments typically "on the table" as well as the usual garnishes. Ask for small side of that hoisin, fish sauce, or the sriracha if you would use it while there.

>>14219647
Ramen noodles are not egg noodles.

>>14219571
Thank you for identifying yourself.

I'm kind of a picky eater and I mostly eat the regular stuff (jambalaya, gumbo, fried chicken, burgers, hotdogs). How exotic are the flavors of Pho and Ramen?

i like both. depends on what im in the mood for. if i want something spicy i'll go for pho, savory, ramen.

>>14220330
Ramen has literally nothing exotic to it. Ginger. Onion. Kelp. Anchovies. Smoked tuna. Soya sauce. All fairly common things for Americans.
Pho has spices you may find 'exotic.'

>>14215976
Its fuh-uh

Pho is a hell of a lot better than ramen and anyone who disagrees is a faggot weaboo

i had pho one time at a well reviewed pho place and it wasn't very nice

>>14214458
>more flavor
Ramen in all but the lightest styles
>more filling
Typically pho because the servings are huge
I prefer thick, chewy noodles so ramen is my go-to, particularly Korean style since their noodles are super thick without crossing into udon territory.

pho
> clean complex flavor
> comfy af

ramen
> muh overpowering soy sauce flavor and raw eggs
> noodles in straight up oil water
> a literal chunk of fat in it
> only good in Naruto
> $20 for nothing

ramen is for tastelets

>ramen: collection of good ingredients
>pho: meat scraps
I love both, and pho is likely more filling as far as a calories-for-your-dollar perspective, but ramen is better.

>>14214458
Ramen because fuck the commie gooks.

ramen is more complex and flavorful but pho is usually way cheaper and is still pretty good

>>14220330
they're really not all that weird, just different spins on a chicken soup
ramen can have some odd ingredients but doesn't have to

>>14218689
I like about a handful of beansprouts, a few leaves of basil, chili paste (the place near me has a darker chili paste that i don't know what it is but I do add a little bit of it), and then a squeeze of lime.

A good tip if you are finding the beef slices lacking in flavor take the little round shallow dish at the table and fill it up with oyster sauce and Sriracha don't mix it just do like a 50/50 on each side of the dish. Its amazing.

>>14220450
Pho is for disaffected, shitty women who are looking for the Jim to their Pam
You literally have the same taste as a tiktok girl
Pho is watery dogshit soup you make because you're a poor nigger, ramen is for people who have a pallet

>>14214458
they are the same exact thing

>>14219598
Ramen is supposed to be quick and cheap, and I'm not talking about instant.
Anyone arguing that either Ramen or Pho is fundamentally haute cuisine is stupid.

Ramen has infinitely more flavor and is usually more filling than Pho. Only contrarians pretend that Pho is better, same people who would pick vanilla out of any other ice cream flavor and pretend they're special snowflakes by torturing themselves with black and white indie arthouse indie films. Pho is for Californian tryhard hipsters who sniff their own farts. Ramen is for normal people who just want something that tastes great.

>>14214458
I don't hate Pho, but don't like it enough to make it or go somewhere for it.
The opposite is true for Ramen, which I love.
Compared to Ramen, Pho just sucks.

>>14222918
Why do weebs sperg out like this?

>>14220753
When I think "comfy and clean," I think of bed sheets. Not food.

>>14222995
stay mad, tastelet

>>14222995
bit of a nonce then aren't you

Pretty funny how all the phofags are talking about their muh clean and refreshing pho when ramen is still far superior in that front. Just feeling sad for anyone that hasn’t had a good shio or shoyu ramen, the ass tonkotsu wave in the US is just a way for hipsters to sell bad ramen to brainlet American pallets.

>>14223175
*tips fedora*

>>14223175
This except I still like tonkotsu

pho is king
rice noodles dominate

weebs slurping down moonrune soup with its pound of sodium can't appreciate the aromas of SEA spices

Good ramen > good pho > bad pho > bad ramen

>>14214458
pho is disgusting. i'd rather eat instant ramen than pho.

ITT: Americans who don't have access to authentic high quality tonkotsu ramen. Nobody in their right mind would choose pho over a proper ramen

>>14223805
Kek seethe cope cringe larp

>>14222873
Why would someone with a short, wooden structure want ramen? I fail to see the connection between the two. Or do you mean a palette? Then again, I also don't understand how having an assortment of colours would lead one to want ramen. Explain.

>>14223175
just because you've only had shit tonkotsu doesn't make it ass

the worst ramen broth is beef broth btw

>>14223805
yeah no shit, there are a lot more vietchinks in the US than japs and obviously they're gonna argue the thing they've tried vs the thing they haven't

>>14217815
It doesn't matter at all to us, you can pronounce it however you like, we still understand and don't judge. Pho, phô, phơ, phở, fo, fau, fou, fuck, whatever man, just eat enjoy it.

I like both, they are good in their own ways. If you want a cheaper, more filling and readily accessible alternative, then go for phở.

>>14224521
Speak for yourself, anything outside "foe" or "fuuhh" sounds disgusting.

>>14224474
This guy's right

>>14216001
cringe and redpilled

>>14214458
pho taste's like BO to me. i've tried it several times and i just can't get over that.

>>14215976
ive been yelled at by multiple gooks for mispronouncing pho

it's "fuh", like fuh-ck you

imagine being a white american and saying "fuh" like a fucking faggot. its 'foe" and ill keep saying it like that regardless of what some little gook tells me

>>14225845
you are probably not very fun to be around

>>14225728
damn now u made me wanna try it

>>14214458
Ramen is better but more oily. Pho is better for hotter days

>>14226233
I bet he puts alot of emphasis on the pronunciation when ordering and it's cringe as fuck. I hope the servers stick their thumbs in his soup

Bring me some tantan-men.

>>14214478
Pho has a fucking bleach aftertaste (for me)

pho, no question

ramen is the most overrated soup of all time

>>14214458
I enjoy spicy but also enjoy black garlic

>>14217421
Adding to this, I loved ramen a lot for a while because I would eat it at this place owned by a lone Japanese guy who came to the country specifically to open a ramen place. It was pretty expensive but absolutely fantastic. Now I recently had ramen at a place owned by Chinese people and it was terrible. I've had instant ramen that tasted better.