/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>14299740
Also quick note, /ctg/ supports BLM. No racism here thanks.

>>14299768
stfu faggot

>>14299740
I like toucan coffee.

>>14300037
Looks more like onecan coffee to me, brah.

>>14299740
my partner is a dumb idiot and he wants to get deeper into the espresso game
he already has a $100 machine which works fine and has lasted a long time, but he's looking to get something in the $300 range to get that "perfect cup"
i've already told him he's a retarded faggot but he isn't giving up
any good espresso recs, /ck/?

>>14300066
Tell him to spend that $300 on a better grinder. And tell him to pony up an additional $200.

>>14300066
>i've already told him he's a retarded faggot
he already knows that.

>>14300066
>$100
>fine

My French press arrived on Monday and I've used it several times already. Not using any kind of fancy beans right now, just went and bought some cheap beans. I live in a college town and there's a roastery a few blocks from my house. Think I'm gonna check it out when this pandemic blows over.

>>14300111
Really awesome blog anon:) great read

>>14300164
Antisemitic idiot

>>14300164
Maybe read the fucking OP.

>>14300078
hes the type to sink too much money into his hobbies, im hoping a mid tier setup will keep him satisfied. whats considered mid range versus high end? what machines would the extra $200 give us?
>>14300102
im starting to think he knows and has stopped caring
i would beat him into submission but he is stronger than me
>>14300110
by fine i mean functional
its not coffee shop quality espresso but its not garbage either imo
most buyers guides and the like seem to breakdown into a pretentious circlejerk about overpriced steam tanks

>>14300336
>i would beat him into submission but he is stronger than me
imagine being the bottom

>>14300336
>$100
>not garbage

>what are you drinking
Onyx Geometry/Monarch, cappuccino daily
>do you like it
I like it enough, I default to Intelligensia after trying a bunch of different brands
>getting anymore
if they still have the freeship promo then yes. I haven't tried Onyx all this time because they never had free ship option for large orders which is a turn off.

>>14300066
espresso is like 1000USD min if you're going to get a decent setup (new equipment)
don't bother otherwise

>muh sustainable
>muh ecology
>package coffee in valved bag, then in a cardboard box, then in another cardboard box

Bravo

How does phin coffee compare to other pour over coffees?

what do you guys do when you get a new coffee and make a terrible brew on your first attempt before dialing in? just suck it up and drink it? or toss it out, adjust grind, and make a new cup. Right now I'm drinking a terribly underextracted coffee because I hate to toss it out and waste it

>>14301303
If it's undrinkably bad, why continue to drink it? It's like accidentally burning a pot of stew; yes you feel bad for throwing out the whole pot, but eating something that tastes like an ashtray isn't worth it. Except in this case you probably aren't wasting more than 30g of coffee.

>>14300477
Wrong. Go back to your aeropress, moron.

>>14301303
You learn to pull espresso by drinking alot of bad espresso. I started flooding my bad shots to repent.

>>14301179
The green minded rarely default to logic. You are correct, those are marketed with aesthetic and appeal to emotion.

>>14300336
buy once, cry once

There's mostly half-assed equipment and expensive quality gear in the coffee lineup.

>>14300066
Get a Breville Barista, it works well for 90% of people who are not autists like the rest of us

Are 1Zpresso grindres any good? I want the M47 phoenix but can't find it here

There are no more yirgachefe beans due to the COVID 19 and I am suffering.

>>14301303
If it’s a 250g bag, that’s 12 cups or so, so I’ll tend to yeah. Also though I don’t tend to be way off so it’s generally drinkable, even if it’s not perfect. The colour of the roast can be a good indication of how difficult it’ll be to extract.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_coffee
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uovo_sbattuto

holy moly its good guys. try it

Is Scott Rao's book on pour-over brewing good? I want to learn more about which brewing parameters need to be fiddled with to bring out or hide which tasting notes.

>order and pay for one 200g bag of "high voltage" meme coffee, just a very dark roast with high caffeine content
>receive it in the mail today
>two 200g bags inside
ok!

I make coffee using an aeropress and a shitty grinder and it's full of flavour.

Whenever I get an Americano from a coffee place it tastes like water-flavoured coffee.

Is this normal? Why's there nothing between espresso and americano that doesn't involve milk?

>>14302156
because americans are retards who can't into coffee.

>>14302182
>can't into
Hello 2003.

>not using a moka pot
>not enjoying the perfect balance between the bitter and intense
>not grinding your own Lavazza coffee grains by hand

The absolute state of delonghifags

>>14302182

exactly. In most American "coffee shops" you're better off just getting their drip coffee than the espresso-based drinks. There are exceptions but usually the person pulling shots is some clueless 19-year-old thot with a sleeve tatoo

>>14302156
Why not ask for a lungo then?

>>14302198
That looks about right. Haven't seen it on any menus but I'll keep my eye out.

I did try a long black, but it seemed just like an Americano.

>>14302218
long black and americano are the exact same thing, long black is just the australian name for it
do give a lungo a go though, it might be closer to what you're looking for. just ask the barista if they can do it even if it isn't on the menu, if the shop is decent they should be able to do it
i've been to some cafes where they will make pourover for you as well, that might good for you if anywhere around does it?
idk much about burger coffee culture sorry

>>14302227
>i've been to some cafes where they will make pourover for you as well, that might good for you if anywhere around does it?
Yeah, I used to enjoy coffee in town pre-lockdown that did a good filter coffee.

I'll try for a lungo in one of the smaller shops neraby. Thanks, coffeebros.

>>14302227
Wrong you fucking pleb. Long black pulls the shot into hot water, and americano pours hot water into a shot. And you’re on here giving anyone advice? Pathetic.

>>14302286
lol alright man

>>14302290
Go play with your aeropress toy while the big boys marvel at the majesty of the Kinu 47 and flair

I like to buy the coarsest ground coffee and simply boil it in a coffee pot, let the grounds sink and then have at it. Would anything else be a significant upgrade to my coffee drinking like an aeropress, chemx or something?

Clipper coffee rn, then some washed ethiopian landraces I got yesterday along with some other beans.

>>14302372
aeropress is the cheapest and most significant gain you can get, and is a long way ahead of whatever it is you're doing now. you can get a very good brew out of them.

>>14299740

>>14300059
Kek

>>14301885
Just look at all the info that's free on the internet. The book is fine, but you can get everything in it for free, and more. You won't find what you're looking for though. If you want different tasting notes, get a different coffee.

>>14302447
Alright, thanks.

>>14302597
Get a V60.

>>14302597
Dude get a Kinu 47 and flair signature pro 2 or fucking kill yourself

>>14302372
Buy a decent grinder, buy whole bean coffee with a lighter roast and experiment to see what tastes good.

>>14303187
This, but unironically.

>visit three roasteries in my area to try and support local shops
>all their beans have been roasted at least two months ago
Fuck this I'm ordering online from now on

>>14301864
Had this a few times in Japan with brewed coffee. It’s pretty good but I don’t know if I’d make it at home

Hmm, James Hoffmann kinda gives me a gay vibe.
Dude sems to know his stuff on coffee, though.

>>14303466
yeah that's the flyover life

>>14303466
also entirely possible those "Roasters" are actually sourcing their beans from an industrial roasting company

>>14303269
Imagine not getting a cafelat robot

>>14303888
Trips of truth, Flair btfo

>>14303833
He goes through so much hair gel that he could single handedly save a hair products company teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. Of course he's gay.
His advice is solid, though.

https://twitter.com/NotJustMeister/status/1276164610794668037?s=19
Thoughts?

>>14304089
>Using Twitter in lieu of an actual blog
tl;dr

>>14303888
>>14304025

Neither of you have touched either machine so I'm wasting my breath. Pulled shots on a streitman, espressoforge, rok, flair, and robot, and a bunch of single boiler pavoni clones. Robot is by far the chinkiest, with the best powdercoat. Streitman is extremely well made, but expensive. Even more so with NP's pressure gauge kit. Espressoforge is for weirdos, but you can use vst baskets so thats cook. Rok is just incredibly awkward to use. The heavy stainless tamper flair gave me for free with a $160 scratch and dent is SIGNIFICANTLY better quality than the junk accessories you get with a $370 robot. You're paying significantly more for a cute little design out of hong kong. But the dumb tamper fits in the robots "hands" so you can probably get some reddit karma to soften the blow.

>>14301303
I drink it as punishment and a learning experience

>>14304089
talking too much and planting too few coffee

>>14304140
All of these espresso toys are lame, you’re just too poor to afford an actual machine so you feel the need to feel superior to others with your purchase. Buying something doesn’t make you any better than anyone else, and gearfaggotry takes away from the actual coffee discussion.

>>14304140
>espresso forge is for weirdos
>not me, I’m not a weirdo because I use the flair
You’re using an object as a stand in for a personality, you’re no better than anyone else just because you purchased something

>>14304140
you admitted to buying in to the flair. your opinion means nothing on an anonymous message board because you are going to feel some natural inclination to defend your purchase to yourself

>>14302544
I've been having difficulty finding resources that provide comprehensive ways to troubleshoot brews (what to change to make it sweeter, less bitter, more floral, give it more body/less body, etc.) and explanation as to why their methods work.

I've been brewing nothing but south american coffees for the past 8 months or so and now I'm having a hard time remembering how to get a decent cup out of an ethiopian natural.

>>14304272
Look up the extraction compass

>>14304140
>Goes into a diatribe when strangers joke about a brand of espresso machine he bought
Not exactly inspiring me to get a Flair

>>14304828
I had the chance to directly compare a few different manual machines. Costs me 1 minute to type it out to save someone a potential headache. Also apparently espressoforge is rip. Guy had to sell his cnc.

>>14299740
>>what are you drinking
>>do you like it
>>getting anymore

I alternate between Bustelo and Pilon in a moka pot. Think I like Pilon more and fewer grinds make it into my cup with Pilon. Roommate works at a local roaster and will occasionally pilfer bean for me, when she does I opt for the Indonesian vienna roasted or some Costa Rican stuff. Grind it on the line between fine and drip and throw it in the moka. Superb texture imo

>>14304272
Here's a little primer

Sweeter:
Starts with your coffee. Lighter roasts have higher potential for sweetness. Usually the higher end of extraction without edging into over extraction will bring more sweetness as well.

Less bitter: see above, avoid over extraction, avoid very hard water.

More floral: That's coffee choice, not extraction

More body: Partly coffee, partly roast. More into medium range will have more body. For real control over body, without buying roasty coffees, you'll want to play around with brew ratio and filtration. The more fines left in the brew, the bigger the body - steel filtration will increase this type of body. The higher the concentration, the more body. Try a 10:1 ratio for real big body.

Feel free to ask more specific questions about your current brew problems.

Gave up on the coffee meme, it really isn't that interesting of a beverage on its own

>>14305065
There are more aromatic compounds in coffee than wine, tastelet

>>14305091
>muh aroma
doesn't matter if the taste is shit

>>14305112
You’re a special kind of stupid

>>14305139
no you, shit's a drink not an incense you moron

>>14305112
But that's the thing about coffee: how can anything that tastes so bad taste so good?

>>14305149
Take a biology class

>>14305197
take a shot in the head you dumbass smell fetichist

>>14302156
A lot of cafe’s make americano’s by pulling the double-shot then filling with hot water, completely destroying the crema which is so utterly retarded. Either ask for a long black or specify for the shot to be added after the water. Also helps to stir before drinking so you get a more consistent flavour throughout the cup

>>14305209
No seriously, I want you to google “smell and taste”

>>14305250
Crema is just gas trapped in coffee bubbles, how does “destroying” it impact taste? Crema is notoriously the worst part of a shot. And how does stirring it not “destroy” the crema? Stupid.

>>14305250
brainlet alert

>>14305065
You've been drinking bad coffee

>>14305091
Pretty sure that's a myth. Watched a lecture from a sensory pro who worked in a lab who found around 50 aromatic compounds in coffee that actually contribute to smell. There were like 1000 compounds, but most didn't contribute to flavor/aroma at all.

>>14305399
>You've been drinking bad coffee
I believed that but after buying from different """speciality""" roasters I still don't get the hype, it's drinkable but nothing to write about.

>>14305149
smell is directly linked to taste. you’re inhaling particles of whatever you’re smelling. if it smells good it will taste good and vice versa if it smells shit/burnt/whatever

>>14305399
Interesting, I’d like to read more but I can’t find anything supporting what you’re saying. Can you link me to something?

>>14305375
have you ever drank espresso coffee?

>>14305445

>>14305456
the cream is sweet and tends to contain the boldest flavours. The whole concept of espresso is that you taste part of the crema with every sip. That affects how people pour lattes as well, to keep the crema intact. The crema is thick enough that stirring it does not dissipate it, but dumping a shitload of hot water will. At that point you might as well drink filter - which is fine - but it’s not espresso

>>14305470
> The crema is thick enough that stirring it does not dissipate it but dumping a shitload of hot water will.
> At that point you might as well drink filter - which is fine - but it’s not espresso
You’re so far up your own ass you can’t even smell your own bullshit. Espresso is a brewing method, it produces a concentrated shot. Removing crema does not make it “not espresso” and in fact is often the least desirable part of the shot. Furthermore, I don’t think you’ve ever actually made an americano in your life or you’d see the crema is still there, in fact stirring it into the espresso has the same effect in terms of breaking it. Crema most certainly is not sweet, get your tongue checked.

>>14305499
I’m curious, how long have you been a professional barista? How long have you been making Italian espresso? If you’re adding water the whole purpose of drinking espresso black is for the crema, otherwise just drink filter or French press or literally any other brewing method. If you’re using an espresso machine for the boiling water the pressure is insanely high, yeah maybe there are specks of crema but certainly barely enough to taste. Genuinely the more you type the more I question if you’ve actually tasted the shit you claim to know about

>>14305553
Over a year, not professionally but in a high volume cafe working on a GB5 before I got a real job. Crema is just CO2 bubbles suspended in oil, it’s not some magically sweet froth. I’m not an americano drinker personally because I prefer doubles or Rao-style filter pulls but if you think adding the water before vs after somehow turns it from an espresso drink into an immersion-style brew you’re absolutely fucking retarded.

>>14305553
what's your take on people such as James Hoffman who seems to know his shit thinking that crema is a meme, even in espresso, and recommending thoroughly stirring espresso to taste it properly? I know this seems like a leading question but it isn't, i'm curious on the counter argument to hear if these people are full of shit.

>>14305586
It doesn’t change the brew but significantly impacts the flavour. It’s the most potent part of the coffee. When you pour lattes you pour slowly, or into the side of the glass to keep the brown at the top, to maintain the consistency of the crema so the coffee tastes strong and not milky. Otherwise you could just dump the milk in, you wouldn’t need a barista to pour it. When drinking espresso, the crema is syrupy and potent, sweet at first before balancing into a more mature flavour. The whole crema is shit meme is just that, a fucking meme

>>14305619
ANOTHER MONTH GONE, WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY PROPEL GLASSES KRUVE? They're still saying shipping in may. Dunno why they rented out a glass studio for a photo-op if they were just going to get them mass produced in China.

>>14305624
Go watch someone pour, your first pour is the “mixing” pour where you break the crema and swirl it around to get everything homogeneous. After mixed, you pour slowly from the side to float the milk on top. You’ve never poured in your life, nor have you ever worked in a cafe. You have no clue what you’re talking about.

>>14305619
I mean espresso is an infinitely deep well of personal preference. Hoffman does seem to have his shit together, it’s just the way I was trained was to maintain crema, and personally I prefer it. Like I said if it didn’t matter you could just dump milk into a latte haphazardly and in theory it’d be fine because it’d mix together, but it tastes milky and weak because there’s no crema.

>>14305640
You still pour gently and steadily. You mix, but as I said before the crema is thick so it maintains so long as it’s been a thin stream of milk and you’re not splashing it about. That’s the part you want to bring to the top. Thats why the top is darker than the coffee below, or have you never noticed that?

>>14305645
i dont drink coffee with milk so i only care about straight pulls here.

>>14305682
Straight pulls then yeah I’ll stir it, but gently cause I still like crema. Honestly though just try it both ways and see what you prefer

>>14305661
Your break pour is more aggressive and fast until about 2/3 full when you start your design, but of course you aren’t “splashing” it. What the fuck are you talking about
1) crema is a lighter color than the body below
2) it’s brown because you’re mixing white milk with brown coffee
Seriously go look up videos of people pouring. Crema is CO2, this is perceived as bitter. You are a case study in dunning-Krueger

>>14305690
I’m saying it doesn’t break if you don’t fuck it. It’s not lighter once the body has been mixed with milk. You pour around to raise the crema to the top, and that’s what you pour your design onto. That’s why the top is golden brown, not the colour of just the milk/coffee beneath it

>>14305690
>>14305753
Like literally look up the youtube videos you so covet and you’ll see they don’t break the crema but that’s cool, I’m sure your one year as a casual all-rounder gave you all the coffee experience you need

>>14305440
I'm not sure, but I think it was from this lecture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zNknia6qKc

>>14305429
I promise you I could make you a coffee that would change your mind. You have to realize that most specialty coffee is not particularly good. That's even after eliminating the issue of your own, or your barista's poor brewing.

>>14305624
>>14305586
I've made at least 100k, if not 250k espressos. and
>>14305586
and the rest of his posts are correct.

Crema is unpleasant in flavor, but may contribute some texture. Most espresso noobs will become fixated on it, but it's not what you've dreamed it up to be.

>>14300321
>Antisemitic

>>14305661
I won't reply to all of your posts pertaining to crema, but just another thing you are out of touch with here. Crema contributes a negative flavor component, to the point where a few big figures in the industry were pushing the idea of a much more even mixing of steamed milk drinks to reduce the impact the flavor of the crema on the first few sips. The idea is that the bitterness from the crema will overload the taste buds and reduce the ability to taste the rest of the drink. Of course, this would, to a greater or lesser extent depending on how far you go with it, eliminate latte art. Latte art, despite reducing flavor quality of milk drinks, is part of why people buy specialty coffee, and will increase the amount someone is willing to pay for a coffee by 11%.

>>14305690
CO2 isn't the bitter bit, the fines and oils are. CO2 is kind of sharp. Ben Putt did a competition routine where he used a vacuum chamber to remove the CO2 quickly, and apparently it improved the flavor. I also prefer an espresso that has had a minute or two to cool and evaporate some CO2.

>>14305822
You're wrong.

>>14302182
This
All the Americans who claim they "looove coffee", drink like 6 cups a day, think Starbucks is the king and drink solely for the caffiene know nothing about coffee.

It's like claiming you love sushi but all you've ever eaten is california roll and never the fresh fish.

>>14304060
I'm not gay but I would suck his cock for a perfect cup of coffee. So would he.

Your thought on LilyDrip?

Reminder that
>latte, cappucino, mocha, machiatto, dalgona, cortado, café au lait, flat white, etc
is not coffee

>>14307754
>espresso, made with coffee beans by putting water through said ground beans, is not coffee
OK Boomer.

>>14307801
Espresso is coffee. Did I mention espresso in my post? Are you blind, retarded or both?

>>14305822
I have over a year experience that has afforded me infinitely more exposure to specialty coffee than you and even longer as a home enthusiast, tell me what makes you think you know better than me? What is your experience? I promise you it was not a “casual” experience pulling hundreds of shots daily and working under true professionals. What you’re saying is flat out retarded yet you continue to respond like you know what you’re talking about even though it’s blatantly wrong to anyone with actual knowledge.

About to open up an unsealed Mt.Hagen arabica coffee I've been keeping in the freezer.
How to avoid condensation ruining it?
Should I just keep it in the cabinet after I open it?

>>14306012
You’re right, I wasn’t being accurate with my language. I meant that trapped CO2 is what enhances the perception of bitterness.

What's the best snack to eat with coffee? dipping is optional

>>14308252
Popcorn and Khat

>>14308252
a lemon pie with meringue

>>14307694
looks like a meme but its cheap so I might try one

>>14308161
Only defrost a week's worth at a time. Use a paper bag or something.

>>14308381
I probably shouldn't have even put it in the freezer since it's just 250gr.
Yeah, I'll use freezer boxes or bags next time and portion them properly.

>>14299740
do you use hot or cold coffee for your affogato?

>>14308411
Affogato is espresso over ice cream

>>14308411
hot espresso

How do you clean the rubber of a Moka pot? I left it for 10 mins in water with dishsoap and it still smells strongly of old coffee

>>14306007
god, latte art is so stupid, I hate it. Thanks for reminding me

>>14308642
try a vinegar soak? Vinegar is known to help with smells, just rinse well afterwards

Time for instant coffee heresy, /ck/. I got a new frappe mixer and I don't have to use my drill to make them anymore. Pic related

>>14308766
Fuck. That's an excellent idea. I remember cleaning a faucet filter like that. Hopefully it doesn't eat into the rubber. Thanks anon.

>>14308806
Cafiza Powder. Alconox/Liquinox will also work.

>>14308252
Cake, pie or cookies. Toast, biscuits or bagels with spread/smear or another sweet bread is also nice.

>>14299740
This stuff is pretty gud. Nicely full-bodied, and I got hit with a blueberry note from the first sip. would rec to any alaskan anons

new profile
slower start, less heat to finish, slightly slower heat adjustments toward the end

>>14308906
do you think that scott rao will kiss my temperature probe now that my ror is so smooth?

>>14300059
holy fucking based

any word on when Kinu grinders will be back in stock?

What are some of the biggest coffee memes

>>14309262
Macchiatos

>>14309262
Aeropress.

>>14309262
Flair

>>14299740

a good breakfast

I've had a moka pot for 3 months now. How much money have I saved if I drink 4 times a week and bought the pot for $30?

>>14309370
$14

>>14309400
proof?

I'm considering picking up coffee, but I'm not sure whether it's good for you or not. Can someone illuminate me?

>>14309471
I'm more of a cafe au lait man myself.

>>14309471

>>14299740
>what are you drinking
Folgers medium
>do you like it
Yeah, it's actually pretty dece. Boil the grounds for ~10 seconds, agitate, then let sit off heat for a few sec. Filter through steel mesh, decant twice to clarify.
>getting anymore
Probably, since I'm a poorfag and can't spend $10 on coffee per week

>>14309402
Trust me

Bought some Ethiopian beans for the first time.
Pretty damn good so far.

>>14309828
I'm having trouble expressing the "notes" that are on the bag, I'm really not sure I taste them. The best way I can describe it is sweet with low acidity and a medium to fine body.
How much of these "notes of chartreuse" and whatnot are a meme?

>>14308906
>>14309017
Finally got around to fixing my roaster. Literally a 6 second job, I'm just a lazy piece of shit. Looks like I'm on the right track with the tuning. Much quicker roast than before.

>>14309859
131 in 116.5 out natty monteblanco purple caturra

>>14307814
You listed several espresso drinks and said they are not coffee. Tis you who is the retarded.

>>14309471
>but I'm not sure whether it's good for you or not.
Best statement now is a definitive "maybe, we get different results testing for different things."

>>14299740
those are some nice tits

>>14305065
as opposed to what your sissy friends tell you, Starbucks isnt coffee.

I just got some beans. Do I need to get a burr grinder or can I just use my blade grinder that I use for spices? I use a french press and a drip maker. Will I get a good enough grind?

>>14310223
https://youtu.be/3y7d-5KWHCU
Burr is best but blade will suffice

>>14310244
Yeah that'll work nicely, thanks.

diy reporting in.
Portafilter attempt #3 incoming

>>14310205
ok specialty hipster cunt

>>14309876
That looks like an extremely light roast, which is awesome, but a little inconsistent. Is it the beans or the roaster? (not harsh criticism - I'm jealous of the light roast to the point of considering a roaster while I have zero space for any more stuff)

Have been using a moka daily since lockdown started and it’s probably my favorite way to make coffee. There’s a local place here that sells freshly ground coffee beans for fairly cheap

>>14310525
I was sliiiiiiiightly overweight. I usually do like 120-125g, but I had 131 left out of an lb. I immediate scorched a few beans by the vents.

Just buy a popcorn popper from sweet marias. $26 shipped and they give you 4lbs free. Cheap enough for fuck around with for a bit and not feel bad if you have to toss it. Put a tc4 into it and have full computer control over it for ~$100 including the popper, if you want to go further. I know people who have been roasting for 10+ years with popcorn poppers or stircrazy turbo ovens. Some people roast with a heatgun jammed into a breadmaker(using the bread paddle to stir the beans)

>>14310223
french press only needs a coarse grind so blade is fine, but you'll probably get a bit of silt. that's pretty unavoidable with a french press and any cheaper grinder though so i wouldn't worry about it.

>>14299740
I just ordered a flair signature but not the larger pro which does double shots. Flair fags, How long does it take to do double shots with one signature flair head?

I just ordered a flair signature but not the larger pro 2 which does double shots. Flair fags, How long does it take to do double shots with one signature flair head?

Anyone else /Ristretto/? Baristas don't really know what it means here.

>>14310709
I do up to 18g with the signature basket. Typically 15g tho.

>>14310102
Ah, you're the guy who orders a chocolate chip cookies and cream coffee frappucino latte with extra whipped cream and tells everyone you love coffee right? Retard.

>>14310801
Ristretto just means you're very very likely to get an under extracted espresso. You realize that a head barista will take time to come up with a recipe that suits the coffee being used, will program a machine to produce the correct amount of liquid for the recipe, and dial in the grind to make the coffee tast good with all of these parameters in check, right? Then you go in and ask him to ignore all of that, that you know better, and you'd like a one off under extracted shot. That's what you are doing when you ask for a ristretto.

>>14310839
It's not my fault the barista doesn't know how to configure the machine for a ristretto.

>>14309859
Nice, looks quite a bit better. Still some wildness. I find that with less smoothing and the shorter delta times I get results that are more informative. The one I posted today is 0.5s sampling and 10s ROR with all the smoothing turned off. The last 2 thirds of your ROR looks really not too bad though.

>>14310491
made anything drinkable? interesting project

>>14310525
The "inconsistency" you are seeing is from the beans themselves. That kind of color difference is mainly due to differences in ripeness and hydration of the coffee, and says little to nothing about the roast. Roasting in an air popper creates a very uniform roast environment so long as the beans can move around easily, and at the batch sizes he uses that is very likely the case. An even roast does not mean interbean evenness, it means intrabean evenness. Especially at a post FC start temperature you will have a pretty reasonable uniformity of color on the beans even if the roasting environment was a lot less even than a popper, and even if there is say a 10c difference between external bean temps. The point during a roast where interbean temperature inconsistencies will show most clearly is around yellowing, and most of that difference will be obfuscated by further roasting, leading roast assessment by visual color analysis essentially useless. You aren't even seeing the scorching that he mentions here
>>14310646
An evenly developed roast is not something you can detect easily visually without cutting the bean open, and even then only if the roast is very very off. It's something to evaluate by taste, and ROR graphing.

>>14310681
No, it needs a grind similar to, or even a bit finer than a v60.

>>14310828
If you think an actual macchiatto (not Starbucks crap) counts as "not coffee" you're a moron.

>>14310877
That's a milky coffee. Different kind of thing.

You can have a purist definition, that would consider anything but pure coffee and water to be not coffee per se.

You could also have a non-autismo definition that would consider anything that includes coffee to be coffee.

We're on 4chan, so the autismo definition is likely to be applied. Milk makes coffee taste worse, unless the coffee is bad.

>>14310875
I still need to figure out how to encode my pixel's videos for 4chan. I'm also kind of liking my jerryrigged foil chamber top. I folded it in tighter and I think that made a notable difference in my heat retention, theres a little deflection now instead of blowing all my heat straight off. I just went through a few of my "scorched" beans and it was just blackened chaff that crumbled off. I'm pretty sure this is my ethiopian koke, not purple caturra too. I measured it out weeks ago before I noticed my flyback diode disconnected. Real excited to v60 this in the morning.

>>14310812
Ive got a question. I like the occasional espresso shot, but Im mostly going to do lattes, using the french press method to froth my milk until I see a steamer for sale. Lattes are 3 : 1 milk to espresso ratio. So even a pro 2 will only be good for 150-165 ml lattes since a shot is about 56 mls max. Thats not enough for me. I have at minimum a full cup of latte usually. Do you think combining 2 different shots to make a full cup of latte will affect the taste profile, since you can get vastly different results with different shots? Has anyone combined different shots and been happy with tge results?

>>14310877
It is not coffee, whether you like it or not.
Read >>14310894 and stfu, thanks.

>spoonful of storebrand instant coffee
>add boiled water
>add a good portion of milk
>two spoonfuls of storebrand cinnamon toast creamer
*sips*
occasionally i like to get fancy and make an iced coffee through blending everything instead

>>14310853
Don't post CS jokes or Rust code here.

>>14310958
Only one way to find out. You're going to end up juggling a ~195 degree piece of stainless steel, so get an oven mitt handy. You'll have to pop out a hot puck, wipe the basket, and refill and tamp. Your brew chamber is still going to be preheated, so you'll be fine. Any subtle differences will be drown out with the milk. You can throw money at the problem and buy the second shot kit. I'd hold off and see if you can make do though.

>>14310990
But wouldn't I have the same problem with a second chamber?

>>14310894
>>14310966
>Milk in coffee makes it not coffee
Do you retards even listen to yourselves?

>>14310853
It is your fault for being ignorant and demanding the world conform to your backward ideas though.

Bought one of these to make cold coffee without using ice or making cold brew specifically.

It was pretty good. I left it in for a minute but it was too cold when I poured it, so I leave it in for thirty seconds so it's just a few degrees below room temperature which is perfect imo.

>>14310875
Nope, it's been a horrible failure thus far.
portafilter #1: 16 layers of aluminum screen let the water flush right through
filter 2: 3 layers of stippled aluminum tape popped
filter 3: two layers of aluminum can base with 23 ga. nail holes : water is still getting through kinda fast maybe like a 20 sec low pressure shot watery

I guess my nail holes are .63mm which is big on this chart.

Improvements to make
-add a water inlet so I don't have to flip the device to fill
-add a pressure gauge
-add gaskets to all inlets
-keep solving portafilter design

What is the preferred machine/way to make coffee for /ck/? Tourist here, I use a Keurig I got as a gift, but I am thinking of buying a stovetop espresso maker

>>14311035
What do you get when you brew tea leaves in water? Tea, or water?
Stop replying now and kill yourself for being a retard.

>>14311090
V60
Aeropress if I'm feeling lazy

>>14311002
Preheat 2 tamp 2 pull 2

or

Preheat 1 tamp 1 pull 1 clean basket retamp repull


With a consistent grind, the same time, and the same pressure, your shots s h o u l d be identical. What grinder are you planning on using?


>>14311085
Kek.

>>14311148
C40

>>14307072
rent free

>>14311173
Going to get a redclix?

>>14310875
>similar to but finer than a v60
maybe if you have a really good consistent grinder and know a lot about what you're doing and why, but for old mate with a blade grinder starting out, literally every resource except for (you) would say coarse grind for french press.

>>14311214
What does that do? Actually nvm,
I already spent 300 dollars on that overpriced hand grinder, Im not going spend more for attachments

>>14311214
Gives you twice as many clicks. Doubles your "resolution".

>>14311111
>Wasted dubs
How is that the same, fuckwit? Does adding milk to tea like the brits do also magically make it "not tea?"

>>14311279
Yep, just searched it in my coffee stores catalog

>80 bucks for a rod that should have came with machine

>>14311083
It's just a plastic jug right?

>>14311268
This is why I fear going deeper down this rabbit hole.

>>14311311
Yeah commandante isn't an espresso grinder.Stepless is ideal.

>>14311341
$200 gets you an m47p when they're in stock. Add an extra 40 on it for the slower cutting pourover optimized burr if that gets your dick hard. Punches WELL above its price.

>>14311341
I made a promise to my gf that I wont become like her coffee snobs friends who have 3000 dollars worth of coffee equipment when I started this hobby. Im sticking to a flair espresso machine and a decent handgrinder. Im not going to get an overpriced rod for my overpriced hand grinder or an overpriced kettle that has a swigly pipe or a special 100 dollar german made scale that performs the same function as my 10 dollar chinese digital scale.

>get deep complex notes on first sip
>2nd sip is bitter as fuck

why must this happen

>>14311350
Hoffman says otherwise .

>>14311350
Anon I'm using a 20 yo drip brewer I found in my parent's attic from when they moved in and I contemplated buying a $12 french press and $15 grinder for months. I am an incredible tightwad. I did find some nice cast iron pans up there.

>>14311335
i have no idea how this works but based on the picture looks like you brew hot coffee and pour it in the thing which has a frozen core to chill it fast

>>14311389
It's a bunch of rods, likely filled with an alcohol solution that can supercool compared to water. Since there's a ton of surface area the liquid you're chilling to make direct contact, it draws out the heat in the liquid really fast.

>>14311373
Your $10 scale logs flow?

>>14311383
https://youtu.be/dn9OuRl1F3k

8:04

>Its a pretty limited range to dial in with

>>14311407
What if you just left a glass jug in the freezer with a couple spoons inside?

>>14308801
I really need to get some Greek Nescafé for the summer

>>14309840
Mineral content in the water + brew technique brings out the flavor

>>14310958
You could always join the flat white master race and actually taste your coffee.

>>14300037
All the TJs coffee I have drank has been roasted to oblivion. The strongest flavor of even their "light" roast coffee is ash.

>>14311429
What?

>>14311435
Well he still enjoyed the espresso he made and thought it was one of the best. But after reading a few reviews online, I see your point. Im going to have to return it next week. Unfortunately, the reason why I got that expensive crap was because all the other decent and better priced hand grinders like the feld 2/Lido/ Helor were sold out or out of stock because of corona. I just wished I had a 10 year warranty on this thing so I can feel at least like I got something for life, even if Im spending big on it right now. But I doubt thats the case. Unlike the tank m47, youve got plastic pieces in the C40 and plastic is bad when it comes to the longevity of high stress parts.

>boil water in a pot
>add coarsly ground coffee. 2tsp per cup
>let it boil a second time
>brew on low heat for 2 mins
>take off heat and let it rest 2 mins
>serve
Anyone else do coffee like this?

i want to have a coffee that blows my mind. how 2 acieve this?

>>14311866
Come over ;)

>>14310709
Produces like 1.5oz of liquid with 16-18 grams of coffee. I treat it like a double shot. I would like the larger pro, but my next step will probably be the Olympia Cremina.

If i buy the redclix for my comandante will I have to swap it out with the regular parts if im not making espresso?

How do you guys feel about espresso tonic?

>>14311730
Yeah it wasn't too big of a deal for a WORLD CHAMPION BARISTA to deal with. You'll want a little finer grained control.

>>14311407
That's exactly what it is, it's quite nice.

>>14311730
Isn't there only a single plastic bit, which is the cover attached to the handle?

Your thought on Fritz?

>>14312850
Their pastries are good

>>14312677
its pretty based. Really refreshing

>>14311844
>2tsp per cup

>>14311844
>reboiling
This is how you get burned coffee. Just put it in, let it sit, then strain.

>>14311429
>that performs the same function as my 10 dollar chinese digital scale.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2H_WZYZ4tE

Your $10 scale has this function?

>>14312446

No. Say you're normally on a 12(an espresso grind), with redclix this becomes a 24. Redclix just adds halfsteps.

I still haven't heard any more news about the Timemore Chestnut X yet, whats up with chinks and their lack of release info?

>>14312683
I hear ya, but theyre all out of stock. Everywhere. So I cant make decent espresso with a 400 dollar handgrinder until I get this?

>>14313111
I dont need to know pour rate when Im doing espressos 99 percent of the time. I just need them to weigh my beans. Something cheap scales can do.

>>14312697
Nvm, I thought that black × shaped thing that links the axel to the rest of the body is plastic.

I'm just getting into good coffee and really enjoying the Intelligentsia El Gallo blend. It's got a pleasing sweetness in the aftertaste. What's something else I should try with a similar sweetness but a different overall flavor?

just wanted to report thst I tried this >>14301864
and it's very good
just a yolk beaten with a teaspoon of sugar and a drip coffee over (I use a v60)
thanks for bringing it up anon

>>14314305
Nope, it'll just be more difficult for a n00b with half the adjustment. Like I said, just try it out. But the redclix will def improve your experience.

>>14314321
So what I'm hearing is a $10 scale doesn't have all the functionality of a specialty scale.

>>14314454
Yeah, well. Theyre all sold out.

>>14314454
I'd actually argue that less fine adjustment is probably better for a noob, less to fiddl with and get lost in. They won't get the best result, but they may have an easier time getting some good results.

>>14314363
>blend

>>14311435
>m47 adjustment
>every step = 1/100mm
my left brain just climaxed

>>14315614
Every tick is 1/100mm. Its stepless so you can slide anywhere between the ticks.

>Fellow Atmos

Who are the people buying these placebo tins? They claim it's a vacuum canister, but there is no mechanism to create or maintain the vacuum. Cupping tests consistently show there is no difference between beans stored in a zip lock bag and the ones stored in Atmos. Yet, they continue to sell well at $30 each.

>>14315691
Im planning on returning my Comanche and buying a kinu m47 pheonix. Its got the same bur blade as the other m47s but are they any cons to getting one from a longevity point of view since they cheaped out on some parts?

>>14316596
>returnfag

You're the reason why everything is so expensive

>>14316571
Every time you open it you reintroduce air, you would have to store them as individual servings to really benefit like the lyn Weber tubes. I personally just keep my beans in the bag, which I think the atmos is just a step up from

>>14299740
Drinking Mt.Hagen organic Arabica. I'm the dumb fuck who put it in the freezer and ruined it with condensation.
It's so sour tasting now, but I'll keep on drinking it because shit's expensive.
Will get more for sure, but I won't be putting it anywhere near the freezer.

>>14301189
I don't think it would be the same since it seems more similar to an aeropress. It has an immersion period and a pressure plate

>>14316596
Unless you're throwing it around or traveling with it, it'll be fine. You're just grinding coffee beans bro

>>14316993
>320 bux for some glass tubes with co2 valves
Jesus CHRIST.
Not gonna lie though they are sleek looking with the caddy and everything

>>14317157
Yeah I didn’t say they were necessarily worth the price but I think the concept is what makes most sense for preserving beans. Coffee can be an expensive hobby when you want to get autistic with it

Do you guys use/recommend any coffee subscription services? I'd like to start trying some different stuff from my usual.
>>14316596
>kinu m47 pheonix
hopefully you have a better luck finding one that I did, ended up biting the bullet on a markup for one.

>>14317215
Subscription boxes are a business model designed to scam retards, enjoy paying more for no freedom in choice. Buy local or use drinktrade as a catalog of roasters to try and just buy direct from their sites, my personal favorites when I want to order are Onyx and Brandywine

>>14317215
Atlas coffee

>>14317231
Subscriptions would make sense if the coffee was actually cheaper but it always seems to be the same price so why bother

I like to drink a nice cup of coffee in the morning :)

>>14305091
And there are more aromatic compounds in your anus than your mouth, yet I get the feeling you don't want to switch their locations, retard

>>14302227
long black has the shots going into hot water not the other way around and its usually smaller than an americano you pleb

>>14317322
What

>>14317215
Just place an order with Red Bird of a few things that look interesting.

Getting pic this week. What's a good v60 recipe or source/link of things to know when brewing?

>>14317771
Everything is done in ratios, so generally 1:15-1:17 grams coffee to water, that’s your starting point for a stronger or weaker cup. After that learn pour staging, so double your initial gram weight coffee in water as your bloom pour, let bloom 30-45seconds pouring in slow concentric circles. Stage 1 pour should be up to about half your final brew weight, stage 2 around 2/3, and then drawdown pour straight into center up to final brew weight. Play around and see what works for you, others might do it differently but this is in general what a pourover routine will look like.

Newfag here, does anyone have solid whole bean espresso recommendations?

newfag here, does anyone have good whole bean espresso recommendations?

>>14317875
Yeah try coffee, I used pinto once it wasn’t great

>>14316571
There's a pump in the lid moron. You tighten the lid down and keep spinning the ring to remove o2. Also if you're upset over a $30 container we probably need to work on your résumé.
>>14316596
I dropped my phoenix onto a rig. turned my quartz banger to dust and scuffed the body. its only got s plastic catch cup, and the spokes have a plastic shell and metal rods throughout. You're probably better off preordering from their site.

>>14317892
>>14317875
This guy is lying, pinto bean is far superior.

>>14317934
Fwiw, I read a years old post on homeroasters about a guy who used pinto beans to tune his roaster. Wanted to go through a series of roast tests without wasting beans.

>>14299740
>Affogato
op is afaggoto

>>14317771
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI4ynXzkSQo

>>14318055
haha good one anon

>buying a handgrinder

3:27 brew time, 16.6g in of that eth I roasted. Very silky. Little blueberry, little coconut. Hopefully I can get a bit more blueberry by developing the roast a bit, but god damn is this cup good.

>>14318735
Do you ship at all or just roast for yourself? What’s your favorite coffee you’ve roasted before? How easy is it to home roast? I have the cash for a Huky but I’m renting right now and don’t know how safe it is to roast indoors using gas

>>14305065
I just guess some people are just born with no taste buds. Given your situation I would have offed myself if I lost my sense of taste

>>14317821
Thanks, what effect do pourover stages have? I have seen a video on 4:6 method but didn't really get how pour staging affected the brew.
>>14318129
Seen this but thanks.

>>14318868
The idea is that certain compounds extract faster than others, sours first, then sweets, then bitters, an interesting experiment is to brew each stage into a separate cup so you see exactly how this works. Basically you are attenuating how much of these flavors are expressed in the cup by adding water strategically.

>live in kansas city
>coffeeshop two blocks from my apartment has a 30,000 dollar Slayer espresso machine
>tons of local roasters (some are pretty bad, to be fair)
It feels really good.

>>14319117
That’s neat, do they actually flow profile with it or is it just eye candy

>coffee bitter as shit on the tongue
>actually a decently pleasent finish that lasts for a while

this means i overextracted it right? having a hard time dialing this one in. brewing my fifth cup of it today

>>14317821
>I just eyeball how much coffee to grind, and pour about the same volume of water every time, just doing a bloom stage, then filling it as it drains once it's had 30 seconds

>>14318756
I roast for myself and occasionally f&f. Fav is either loma la gloria red bourbon black honey or the columbian monteblanco purple caturra. I'm about to open up a fresh green lb of the llg, so I can post pics of that once this fucking dust storm blows through. I roast in a heavily modded $20 popper from sweet marias. They give you 4lbs free when you order it, so I don't see any reason why you shouldn't as soon as your read this. Blowing hot air at beans couldn't be simpler.

>>14319117
Sup kc senpai. The roasterie has been consistently great for years.

>>14319184
There’s nothing wrong with that, it’s more about repeatability than anything. Doing it how you are will still give good results. Imo it’s not much more effort to do it in stages as long as you have a scale though.
>>14319265
That’s cool anon definitely share what you’re roasting. I hate when these threads devolve into gearfaggotry instead of cool shit like this. How did you mod it?

>>14318735
Brew bed looking CRISP my man

>>14316596
>>14317215

Turns out the kinu pheonix Ive been eyeing just got sold out last night. And no one is stocking them at the moment in Aus. Ive mailed the a few online stores and apparently all of them stock their kinus in one place. And the return guarantee only lasts a month and its already two weeks. Fuck.

Well, looks like Im just going to have to live with my red Comananche. Is the comananche with a red clix upgrade gonna be as close to the kinu when it comes to ability to dial in?

>>14316596
>>14317215

Turns out the kinu pheonix Ive been eyeing just got sold out last night. And no one is stocking them at the moment. Ive mailed the a few online stores and apparently all of them stock their kinus in one place. And the return guarantee only lasts a month and its already two weeks. Fuck.

Well, looks like Im just going to have to live with my red Comananche. Is the comananche with a red clix upgrade gonna be as close to the kinu when it comes to ability to dial in?

>>14319482
No, I’m fact you may as well just throw it away now and never drink coffee again since you can’t get the Kinu m47. Save yourself the disappointment.

A percolator is good enough

>>14319408
I put a tc4+ in it. Lets me log data and gives fine grain digital control over my heater and fan. Has a pid on it for automated roast profiles etc.

https://www.tindie.com/products/artisanaltech/tc4-coffee-roaster-shield-tc4-plus/

This black honey has so much sugar content the beans are visually waaaaaaay darker than I roast.

>>14319482
Well its not going to be stepless, but you'll be way better off for espresso. You can preorder a phoenix from the same place the online stores are getting theirs from. Kinu has a florida based warehouse, so I assume everyone is waiting on a shipload to show up in miami.

>>14319452
Hey thx buddy. I want more bedshots people. #flatbedmasterrace

>>14319482
Did you try baristawarehouse? They seem to have them in stock. I was going to order one but the markup was too much for me.
I did end up getting one from a norwegian site though.

>>14319578
>Blatant trolling

>>14317771
That's back in stock now?

What's a decent drip maker I can get for around 100 bucks?

>>14319139
I don't know what "flow profile" is but that's the machine they do everything with. Their americano is fantastic.
>>14319270
The roasterie is a good mainstay, but if you want to try some really nice roasts, order something from Oddly Correct or Second Best.

Professional roaster checking in ama

>>14321140
Help me dial in my roasts faggot.

>>14319659
>>14309859

Coof

>>14320861
pourover

>>14299740
give me your setup and your coffee order

>>14321140
Any feedback for my log here?
>>14308906

>>14321140
What do you roast on? What does your average profile look like?

>>14301189
It's a little stronger. It's hard to give a number but maybe 1.3~1.4x as strong. The water goes through the grounds a lot slower than regular pour over. I really like mine.

>>14308252

>>14320532
I got a porcelain one the other day off amazon so yeah

>>14322500
btw artisan 2.4 added in multiroast comparison. Probably worth the update. Sipping on my second to last cup of that koke honey roast. This shit is seriously fantastic. I hope the coop gets in a 2020 crop, I might have to snag 15+lbs just in case.

What's a company I should get roasted whole beans from?

>>14323451
Read through the thread faggot

>>14323672
I did faggot

>>14323732
Then you should see plenty of recommendations, faggot