/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>15020139
Depends on how long I want to cook the sauce. If its a nice slow cooked sauce then no sugar. If its a low effort quick sauce then yes I will add a bit of sugar to take away the sourness of the tomatoes.

ITT: Americans

>>15020139
when I accidentally over salted it yeah otherwise no

>>15020139
If I want a quick sauce I will add a little honey, if I'm feeling froggy and simmering the sauce for a long time there really is no need.

>>15020174
>take away the sourness of the tomatoes
This is the worse meme. Sweetness never has and never will cancel out sourness. You just get sugar as well. Pickle liquid is sweet and sour, sweet and sour sauce is sweet and sour. A base will neutralise an acid, but sugar wont.

>>15020139
No. I add carrots.

>>15020139
No, I'm not retarded.

nope, but anything with tomatoes, sure a pinch a sugar add to flavour.

>>15020240
no-one says it cancels it, it balances the dish you fucking mongoloid retard. Lemon doesnt make fat disappear either

>>15020139
no, because the ragu crap my wife prefers already has a shitload of sugar.

>>15020139
if u want sweetness, sprinkle aspartame on your food.

>>15020139
No, because I'm not a sick fuck who likes sweet pasta sauce.
If I was, and my taste was that bad, I would buy ragu.

>>15020615
you dont add big amounts ya spaz, you just balance the acidity of the tomatoes

>>15020292
This. Sweetened tomato sauce tastes like shit. I'm not a fatty, craving a dessert sauce

>>15020139
Why the fuck would anyone do that?

>>15020316
Fucking based

>>15020723
You guys are retarded you realize carrots have sugar in them.

You are just adding sugar to your pasta sauce except in amounts that are unknown.

1 carrot has about 3/4tsp of sugar. So if you toss a couple carrots in there, you might as well poured in a little sugar. Same thing if you added wine or tomato paste. Except each carrot is different so it is very easy to over or under sweeten your dish.

I swear the amount of retardation on this board astounds me.

>I only like adding sugar to dishes when I can't measure the exact amount and it's orange. I like it cuz it's more natural that way.

Imbeciles.

>>15020827
the difference is that carrots arent refined sugar
do you suffer from diabetes?

>>15020139
no I prefer to sautee some carrots/onion to bring out their natural sweetness, adding sugar into anything is shit

FUCK SUGAR

>>15020827
>t.

I just add a bunch of caramelized onion, sweeten it up but don't have to add sugar and it actually tastes good

>>15020877
Glad to know you get your health information from mommy blogs.

When HFCS or refined sugar is added to processed foods it is usually in very large quantities. This makes the processed food or soda very calorie dense and typically unhealthy for a person to consume as there is little other nutritional value. The sugar in fruits and veggies is almost chemically identical to refined sugar.

The important difference for dieting is that 1 cup of orange soda is equal to like 10 oranges worth of sugar. You don't normally eat 10 oranges, but it is very easy to drink a cup of soda. So with very calorie dense food items it is extremely easy to overconsume.

In this case we are talking about adding 3grams of sugar to a pot of sauce. As long as it is evenly dispersed there will be no caloric or health difference between something sweetened with sugar from a carrot vs. refined sugar. You're essentially saying 1lb of bricks weighs more than 1lb of feathers. In short you are retarded.

>>15020894
See my other post and realize how much of an idiot you are please. >>15020939

You're probably the type of person to eat 4,000 calories a day, but think you're being healthy because you ended with a salad. I swear this board is fuckin dumb.

>>15020896
>don't add sugar to your dish, add sugar

How is everyone so fuckin dumb.

>>15020939
>As long as it is evenly dispersed there will be no caloric or health difference between something sweetened with sugar from a carrot vs. refined sugar.
source: dood trust me

>>15020979

What do you mean source, that is literally how calories work??

Where is your source saying otherwise, you have google. Sugar is chemically very similar no matter what source it is

Since you're too lazy here you go. God you're fuckin dumb.

>http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2015/natural-and-added-sugars-two-sides-of-the-same-coin/

>>15021014
>What do you mean source, that is literally how calories work??
you made two claims in that sentence dumb ass
>Where is your source saying otherwise, you have google. Sugar is chemically very similar no matter what source it is
burden of proof is on the one making the claim, no one questioned the chemical make up of sucrose
>Since you're too lazy here you go. God you're fuckin dumb.
at least you didnt dodge your burden like a complete faggot
now for your source:
"Unfortunately, the metabolic effects of orange juice are very different than those of the fruit. Orange juice does retain the vitamins found in oranges, but the fiber content is very different. During juice processing, fiber is usually filtered out or pulverized, reducing its beneficial, pro-satiety effects. The juice’s dissolved sugar is thus efficiently absorbed by the small intestine and enters the blood quickly [12]. Consuming juice raises your blood sugar rapidly; after the subsequent blood sugar “crash,” you’ll soon be hungry again."
oh look the source of the sugar does impact the health difference!

now apologize faggot

>>15020139
I add sugar to my pasta, not the sauce.

>>15021043
sorry that your mom dropped you in the head as a child. most unfortunate.

>>15021073
>literally unable to come up with a retort
>forced to spew insults like a moron
thank you for your concession

>>15020240
Retarded

>>15020292
This. Finely grated carrots add perfect sweetness and color

>>15020139
I put a little pinch of sugar in, it doesn't need loads

>>15020139
Only on tomato sauce. A little bit of it helps to balance sourness

>>15020952
why are you so viligantly defending refined sugar lol

it's garbage
>You're probably the type of person to eat 4,000 calories a day
projection I think

>>15021043
Never dude. If you think that eating a raw carrot is the same thing as cooking down a carrot in a stew and extracting the natural sugars you're a fucking idiot. How do you even think they make refined sugars.

The whole reason you metabolize the sugars differently in the example you posted is exactly what I said in my post. Juice and soda has sugar in large quantities for a small amount of mass, AKA CALORIE DENSE. With raw fruits and veggies you have to break down the fibers in order for your body to absorb the sugar, meaning you get the nutrients slower. Hence why I said you would have to eat 10 oranges to equal the same amount of sugar that is in 1 glass of OJ. You have the same amount of sugar, but your body has to digest significantly more material to get to it.

If it is evenly distributed throughout the sauce, LIKE I SAID IN MY POST, it is the same exact shit. Unless you have raw carrot chunks in your point is invalid. Stop being so dumb please.

>>15021081
Just an FYI this is not my post, I was out of my house running an errand.

See my retort below.>>15021590

Glad someone else called you retarded tho.

>>15021083
Even more retarded

>>15021590
>If you think that eating a raw carrot is the same thing as cooking down a carrot in a stew and extracting the natural sugars you're a fucking idiot.
good thing you provided a source from harvard confirming the opposite is true
>You have the same amount of sugar, but your body has to digest significantly more material to get to it.
right so when you have to digest the carrot to get at the sugar the interaction is different than if you added refined sugar directly
>If it is evenly distributed throughout the sauce, LIKE I SAID IN MY POST, it is the same exact shit.
except the point where its not, but you are now arguing against harvard
>Stop being so dumb please.
you first

No, I actually like the "sour" tomato taste in sauces.

>>15021245
Idk how else to respond to this other than no. I don't, in fact you should be able to tell from my posts that I am very calorie and health conscious, and at the end of the day it is all about numbers.

You read as the type of person who believes they eat "healthy" because they eat vegan seed toast and things they feel are healthy, but neglect their macros and don't understand why they continue to gain weight.

>I had a organic vegan mac n cheese, salad, and 4 slices of whole wheat toast for lunch.

>I got all this super healthy stuff from trader joes, like yogurt covered pretzels. It's got yogurt that's healthy right?

>Why did I gain weight, I had salad???

This is the type of person I think you are.

I'm having a hard time following this but whoever said carrots are refined sugar is retarded. I can't tell who's worse, you lot or the retards rambling about steam in the dishwasher bants thread

>>15021639
the retard is trying to pretend that adding refined sugar to a sauce is no different than getting sweetness from adding carrot

>>15021620
That is not what the article said at allll. What are you reading? You even posted it.

>. During juice processing, fiber is usually filtered out or pulverized, reducing its beneficial, pro-satiety effects. The juice’s dissolved sugar is thus efficiently absorbed by the small intestine and enters the blood quickly

So if you take a raw carrot and cook it down or put it in a juicer to extract sugars and moisture you are literally making refined sugar and you will metabolize it as such. How do you think refined sugar is made????

>right so when you have to digest the carrot to get at the sugar the interaction is different than if you added refined sugar directly

NO YOU ARE NOT. You cooked down the carrot and extracted the sugar. Like I said unless you leave raw carrot pieces in your sauce, you are not digesting more material. Cooking is extracting the sugars and spreading them evenly throughout the sauce.

>except the point where its not, but you are now arguing against harvard

Read your post again, the part of the study you quoted. You are literally so thickheaded and dumb I don't know what to do. I hope you aren't attempting higher education, because it seems you have a very difficult time grasping concepts and understanding basically any nuance or context at all. I'm sorry you are the way you are.

>>15021642
It isn't your are dumb. How do you think refined sugar is made????

Literally look up a how it's made. They take vegetables like beets, or sugar cane, and they boil it down and extract the sugar. The same exact thing happens when you put a carrot in your fucking sauce.

Sour tomatos? Why didnt you buy sweet tomatos?

>>15021677
>They take vegetables like beets, or sugar cane, and they boil it down and extract the sugar.
they do much more than that to create refined sugar, but of course you feel the need to completely simplify the process to defend your position
maybe you should take a step back and breath before you blow a gasket typing out baseless insults

>>15021639
Carrots are not refined sugar, I never said that. But if you take a carrot and cook it in boiling sauce you are literally extracting sugars and making refined sugar.

If anyone would care to actually read my post, or have a basic grasp of how anything works you would realize this.

I don't know how else to explain this to you people. Is everyone here this retarded?

>>15020139
Don't have to, as a proud murican I prick my finger before eating and hfcs splurts all over the plate like pic related. God bless.

>>15021696
>But if you take a carrot and cook it in boiling sauce you are literally extracting sugars and making refined sugar.
that isnt how it works
educate yourself dumbass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRZX1bAnbes

>>15021694
No it's not oversimplifying it literally watch a video.

It consists of chopping beets and then cooking it in boiling water to extract the natural sugars.

You are all retarded please understand how dumb you are.

>Extraction
The processing starts by slicing the beets into thin chips. This process increases the surface area of the beet to make it easier to extract the sugar. The extraction takes place in a diffuser where the beet is kept in contact with hot water for about an hour. Diffusion is the process by which the colour and flavour of tea comes out of the tea leaves in a teapot but a typical diffuser weighs several hundred tons when full of beet and extraction water. The diffuser is a large horizontal or vertical agitated tank in which the beets slices slowly work their way from one end to the other and the water is moved in the opposite direction. This is called counter-current flow and as the water goes it becomes a stronger and stronger sugar solution usually called juice. Of course it also collects a lot of other chemicals from the flesh of the sugar beet.

They literally pour hot water over beets with a giant strainer. That's it.

>>15021709
>It consists of chopping beets and then cooking it in boiling water to extract the natural sugars.
oh look you did it again, you skipped over several stages of refinement necessary to remove impurities
but again you are forced to do this since its the only way your argument makes any sense at all

>>15021707
Did you even watch the video?? They literally just boil beat chips and strain them out??

If you think boiling carrots is literally any different than this process you a fuckin dumbass.

Yes Billy, you don't use 10,000 gallon drums, and you don't collect the syrup in the end, but that's because it ends up in your fucking sauce you knob.

>>15021713
Okkk????? so that just means the impurities end up in your sauce as well.

I literally took that description off a beet sugar company's website. Yall are so fuckin dumb I can't stand it.

>>15021715
>If you think boiling carrots is literally any different than this process you a fuckin dumbass.
really? where is the mention of the limestone i gotta quarry to create milk of lime
>>15021721
>Okkk????? so that just means the impurities end up in your sauce as well.
oh so you are finally understanding how carrot and refined sugar are different

i wonder if these guy understands how many carrots he has to boil to create a couple teaspoons of refined sugar

>>15021725
If you think those impurities are material to how your body processes the sugar or anything at all you're kidding yourself.

The reason they use chalk or limestone to remove impurities is to make it white. It doesn't significantly affect how your body processes it.

I'm over this. If you are so narrowminded and cannot understand how similar refined sugar, and sugar extracted from a carrot or beet are, it's no longer worth my time.

Again READ YOUR POST. The juice, not refined sugar, causes your blood sugar to spike. This is because you removed the non-digestable fiber and mass. So your body has instant access to absorb the sugars. The juice has tons of impurities, yet it causes a large blood sugar spike.

What is important is the fiber and mass of the veggie, you are getting rid of this by cooking it down.

I'm done with you. If you don't get it now you never will. Have a good weekend.

>>15021632
>Idk how else to respond to this other than no
>proceeds to type out a paragraph
lol

>You read as the type of person who
why are you so obsessed with the "type of person" I am and all your guesses have completely off btw, so keep trying to guess maybe you'll get it right and feel some sense of accomplishment or victory haha

>>15021736
1 carrot has 3 grams of sugar, 1tsp of sugar has 4 grams. So about a carrot and a quarter. This was in my first post.

Again the whole point of sugar is that you can accurately measure it. So even if a carrot was a quarter teaspoon you can measure it out and have consistency you wouldn't get with using a carrot. Whatever idiots have fun doing whatever it is you do here.

>>15021747
>If you think those impurities are material to how your body processes the sugar or anything at all you're kidding yourself.
i dont have to think about it, the harvard link you posted confirmed it
>The reason they use chalk or limestone to remove impurities is to make it white. It doesn't significantly affect how your body processes it.
other than refining it further from the naturally occurring state
>This is because you removed the non-digestable fiber and mass. So your body has instant access to absorb the sugars.
which is the same thing that you do when you process beets or carrots into making refined sugar
>What is important is the fiber and mass of the veggie, you are getting rid of this by cooking it down.
except you dont get rid of them at all, the fibres dont disappear magically unlike if you boiled a bunch of carrots in water than filtered all them out like they do when you make refined sugar
>I'm done with you. If you don't get it now you never will. Have a good weekend.
thank you for your concession dumbass

>>15021759
Looks like I nailed, see ya later. I hope the sympathetic baby weight from your wife's and her bf's son come off soon.

>>15021762
>says hes going to leave
>still forced to make another reply
is it autism?

NOOOOOO DON'T TELL ME MY REFINED SUGAR IS BAD YOU'RE LITERALLY EATING VEGETABLES FILLED WITH SUGAR AND THAT'S THE SAME THING!

there's literally nothing wrong with refined sugars, dumbfucks

>>15020139
if after tasting the pasta sauce close to serving, it turns out that it needs some sweetness, whether to balance out acidity or for other reasons, then it gets some sug sug
simple as

>>15022195
>there's literally nothing wrong with refined sugars, dumbfucks
t. HFCS shill

>>15020827
>hmm I need to add a sweetener to my sauce
>Will I use a sweet vegetable that contains many nutrients and flavors in it besides the sweetness?
>Fuck no lmao just dump in the artificially-refined sugar
Shut up, fatty