/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Only a retard would belive anything from harvard

So the entirety of rice eating asia has type 2 diabetes. got it.

>>15141375

that's why the Japanese are so fat and die early, right?

>>15141375

So looking at real world data rather than 'scientific laboratory controlled' studies should we expect to see high rates of type II diabetes in east asian populations? No we don't. Ergo this study is complete rubbish in terms of how it has been conducted and interpreted.

>food studies
into the trash it goes.

>>15141412
except Koreans and Vietnamese eat tremendous amounts of sugar
Japanese also ingest terrible amounts of salt
the reason why they're not dropping like flies when Americans are is because they don't walk 10 meters to their car then drive to stores half a mile away

>>15141375
Lol no.

>>15141375
>>15141412
>harvard study
>complete rubbish
it checks out

>>15141375
Har har. You can say the same technicalities for any fruit. The headline was clearly written by someone to get clicks.
The amount of fiber in rice and fruit you consume for the amount of concentrated sugars in them off set the sugar in the digestion process.

>>15141407
why is japanese cuisine so hilariously bad?
the main staple dish of nipponland is sushi which is literally just fish on rice
their curry is just watered soup
ramen is just inferior version of authentic Chinese noodles
even instant noodles is taiwanese (Chinese) and not from japan

why could the nips not make a satisfactory cuisine?

>>15141375
That article was full of "maybes" and "mights" that it might as well be made up. As others have pointed out, billions literally live on rice and live long healthy lives. Studies like this is part of the reason why people think science is a joke.

>>15141398
fpbp

>>15141492
>part of the reason why people think science is a joke
>why people think science is a joke
>think science is a joke
>science is a joke
>science is a joke

>>15141463
Staple dish sushi... Hahaha, good one.

>>15141492
If you are black or have a vagina thats the only qualifications you need to graduate as a rocket scientist at harvard

>>15141375
That's only true for certain kinds of rice, like Jasmine.

The healthiest rice is Sela (parboiled Basmati). It doesn't spike blood sugar.

>>15141375
>carbs spike blood sugar levels
well color me fucking surprised. jesus christ

>>15141463
Can you get food poisoning form a stale pasta?

>>15141426
"salt is bad for you" kys

>>15141500
Don't trust the experts, they're lying, except for these four specific experts. Trust them.

>>15141549
Eating salt causes hypertension.

>>15141576

I only trust the experts at my local yoga studio

>>15141463
I never thought I'd see a ramen themed pasta before coming to /ck/.

>>15141576
all school publications are pratically used toilet paper until they actually go through a conclusive peer review. American media and politics have completely silenced that last part, now people thing 3 students and their depressive teacher blogging about topical shit is real science. It's pretty grim from the future of the planet.

>>15141375
Explain any research that includes health and longevity associated with large consumption of white rice.

Fucking amerifats and their "brown rice"

>>15141375
Yeah.... This is fucking bullshit.

>>15141375
went from 190 to 125lbs in like 7 or 8 months filling myself with almost nothing but white rice.

Harvard scientists have some of the most retarded opinions in nutrition, and that's been the case for decades. If you see Harvard and food science stuff in a headline, you should just ignore it because 9/10 times, it's just going to be one of:
* Meat bad
* Soy good
* Fat bad
* Saturated fat deadly
* All [macronutrients of a given type] are bad
* Whole wheat always good; make diet fully whole wheat

>>15141398
Same rate of diabetes as the USA in fact.

>>15141744
>when scientists assert conclusions based on the scientific method that hurt muh feefees, they're wrong
Get over it snowflake, you lost.

>>15141398
Lmao he doesn't know
>>15141407
Japan has mandatory fat camps anon

>>15141412
>epidemiology

>>15141591
I hate the chinese for shutting down saunas everywhere so fucking much.

>>15141591
https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/3313332/salt-and-blood-pressure/%3famp=true

>>15141744
>science BAD because it hurts my lardass feelings
ketolard cope

>>15141426
This is true, I don't walk 10 meters to my car I walk 4 meters to my bike.
t.viet

>>15141398
So thats why they're all yellow

>>15141720
Even then not all peer review is equal.

>>15141591
The amount of salt used in bread, preserving meat and other foods during the middle ages would have made you vomit.
Ergo everyone during the middle ages should have died at least once a year.

>>15141769
>>15141794
I know both of these are dumb bait but it's still incredible how the average retard believes "meat and fat bad, wheat good" when all our ancestors before farming would have been dead by then.
Also i wish to see Harvard's research saying that Eskimos are just a myth and never existed.

>>15141426
It’s becuase there’s ten times the amount of Americans then all of those countries combined and you’re so fucking retarded you don’t know what “per capita” means.
God damn brain dead dip shits spit bullshit when google is a fucking click away.

>>15141591
Just drink a glass of water you dumb fuck.

>>15141398
Asians have adapted to it, similarly to how europeans have adapted to dairy.

>>15141398
Japanese rice is nothing like american rice

That's why vietnamese and korean life expectancy is 8 years less than the usa

>>15141375
Imagine taking clickbait """journalism""" seriously in current year

who keeps sugar on their table tho

>>15141375
utter crap from harvard again

>>15141576
anyone whos studied a scientific field knows those quotes are correct. especially the first one

>>15142020
No that's just because we shank each other over the pettiest shit

>>15141906
It's not bait, perhaps if you weren't a lardass, you wouldn't be scared of bread.
There's a reason the French are not oebse like Americans.

>>15141375
I don't eat white rice on its own

If it isn't from some literal who's 2.5 hours long video on youtube I'm not gonna trust it.

>>15141375
>eating pure carbs spikes blood sugar
no fucking shit you stupid jews

>>15141933
Those three countries' populations add up to over 272 million. And even per capita, US has like ten times the ischemic heart disease rate of Japan.
You obese idiots never cease to amaze with your stupidity.

>>15141375
Man this article is so fucking trash. Clickbait cancer.

>>15141463
Thank you Mr. Chang for your help spreading chink lies. Your social credit score will be upgraded.

>>15142385
I'm not disagreeing with the sentiment of the image. I am just pointing out the natural irony of combatting appeal to authority (the essence of all arguments that defer to 'science') with more appeal to authority.

>>15142440
>Hurrdurr vietkongs who die at 27 in a scooter accident don't get heart cancer hurrdedurr look I'm me college smart

>>15141375
Just eat red/black rice, problem solved.

>>15142569
If young people died in their 20s at a dramatic rate in Vietnam, that'd only make ther incidence of IHD larger considering young people are less likely to get such disease, you fucking idiot. Not only you've moved the goalposts after saying blatantly inaccurate things but you go and say something even more stupid.

>>15142566
The thing about trying to educate retards is that you have to humor their logical fallacies even though you know it's retarded.

>>15141452
You must think that comment makes you sound smart.

>>15142610
Not sure how many you're gonna educate/redpill with a bunch of quotes from /pol/

>>15141549
Some South Koreans were eating around 13g of salt every day which is a lot. Salt isn't inherently bad but 13g daily is bad.

>>15141375
I don't listen to the talking food heads anymore. They can't tell their ass from a hole in the ground, so I just keep on keeping on.

>>15141991
Okay, but what about Chinese rice? Indonesian rice? Vietnamese rice? Thai rice? Cambodian rice? Laotian rice?

Brown rice is better anyway

>>15142566
I'd say it points out the irony of people that appeal to authority by the quotes being authority disagreeing with these appeals to authority.

>>15142020
korea is a nation of binge drinkers but theyre #9 in life expectancy

>>15142614
Not an argument faggot.

>>15143697
>retarded fuckface thinks his shitty comment deserves an """argument"""
Try again, faggot.

>>15141839
You should come to America so you can afford a car vietbro

>>15141426
I would prefer to walk but none of the streets in my city have sidewalks or crosswalks and I'm surrounded by major four lane roads. The few times I've walked to the grocery store I've sent 20 minutes trying to cross the road and almost get run over because vehicles don't yield to pedestrians.

>>15143980
the experts are weighin' in alright

>>15141398
Eating sugar doesn't cause type 2 diabetes. Common misconception. Being fat does.

>>15144106
thank you ameribro, the motorbike is more convenient than a car. if I need to carry passengers taxis are cheap. also there are no niggers here which is pleasant

>>15141375
probably not dissimilar from refinedwhitewheatflour or any other starch for that matter. I've known people who have a large appetite to eat a lot of rice but really just the point is to not be vegetable-avoidant.
meanwhile boy you know how much ice cream I eat?

>>15144636
Not him but Vietnam seems comfy af, the food, the weather, the dainty coffee shops, the vibrant atmosphere, the neon, etc.

explain why having temporarily high blood sugar is bad

>>15141375
because its NOT BUGS DONT YOU GET IT?!

>>15141897
>>15141906
Not saying it’s entirely attributable to salt, but I don’t think we should look at ancient humans for an idea of a healthy diet. They ate what they could and what they had to, and they also had abysmal life expectancy for most of history/prehistory. First-world citizens are now in a position of having a ridiculous variety of food options readily available, and that means that we have the power to optimize our diet for things like longevity. Salt isn’t bad per se, but greater salt consumptions is provably deleterious to your health in several ways.

>>15144685
it's not but people should avoid abusing the capacity of their pancreas on a frequent daily basis

>>15142404
Yes, and that reason is called 'dietary moderation.'

>>15141375
Yet Japanese people have the single longest life expectancy on the planet, and nobody eats brown rice in Japan.

>>15145660
thats cause cunny is an insulin regulator, but harvard medical school hasn't published that paper yet.

>>15141426
thats false

we just eat more reasonable portions and avoid junk

we're honestly pretty pragmatic when it comes to eating

>>15141375
yeah most asians knew about this, thats why brown rice exists. its not as great but its good for ya.
i generally just dont eat that much at all, i enjoy a lot of meat and veg, pickled veg, stews, that sort of thing. i do pair it with rice but not every meal.
I also avoid sugars and sweets - theyre just not substantial and do nothing for me so whats the point? but i do drink coffee and occasional alcohol.
I've found that people in my culture generally do enjoy american junk food occasionally but not with great excitement... because it always leaves the body feeling heavy. we like to feel light and ready to spring up to action at any time, heavy feeling foods is just junk.

Its the indians that I feel really bad for, they use a ton of white rice that has more sugar content, and a ton of them have diabetes because they consume a lot of bread as well.

>>15141549
he’s saying too much salt is bad

>>15141463
This is such a good pasta because it *always* works

>>15141906
you know you lost if you resort to either tradition or just a practice being done for a long time, especially if the practice wasn't even particularly beneficial to them whether they know it or not

>>15144666
another talking tree here, can confirm life is comfy
not sure why mom wants to move to Germany, I hate mudslimes

who do you think is more likely to have diabetes?

>>15145660
japs also eat their fish and veggies (their rate of diabetes is 12% tho)

Diabetes among adults aged 30 and older in South Korea: 13.7% (obesity: 4.7%)
Diabetes among adults in Japan: 12.1% (obesity: 4.3%)
Hong Kong: ~10%
Taiwan: 6.6% (obesity: 10%)

U.S.: 10.5% (obesity: 42.4%)
UK: ~6% (obesity: 28%)
Canada: ~8% (obesity: 26%)
Australia: 5% (obesity: 27%)

>>15141576
As someone who has finished as engineer... My whole work is a joke. It is stupid idea which you don't need education for to know will not work stretched out on 90 pages of why it will not work bullshit.
My peers did same bullshit.
Students do the work because they need title so they get assigned to higher pay grade when they become employee.
Anything that is uselefull would require professors that are not overloaded and funding which is not there.
If the work is not done by someone 20+ years in the field I wouldn't even bother taking it seriously.

>>15145757
the glycemic index of brown rice is only very slightly lower than white rice when it comes to affecting blood sugar rises, but it does have more nutrition in it.
with high glycemic carbs perhaps the key is small portions (always paired with veg and/or meat) and small frequent meals to prevent high blood sugar spikes

>>15145660
thats because japanese hospitals do everything to keep their elderly alive, i'd fucking hate to be 90 and living in japan

>>15146202
>hospitals do everything to keep their patients alive

how exactly do you think hospitals are supposed to work

>>15141375
good. insulinlets btfo

>>15146095
yes thats right , we always eat rice with something. never by itself. we never take a bite of rice without having eaten something else.

we eat lots of vegetables, garlic, red peppers, it makes our bodys strong

>>15141492
>Studies like this is part of the reason why people think science is a joke.
theres varying degrees of science and if you're not a retarded npc who thinks drinking bleach is good for them, you know what to look for.

>>15141375
Do Americans really...?

>>15146550
>if i cherry pick enough from sci hub'd papers to suit my preconceived notions
fixed

>>15146783
>muh straw man
Ah yes, you're just stupid

>>15141576
They're talking about the fields in which they work in you dumb fuck. I dont trust salesmen but if a salesman told me his colleges are shady fucks i would believe him

>>15146819
>if I abuse overcited fallacies to sound smart on an anonymous imageboard devoted to japanese culture
Firm midwit territory for you.

>>15141375
>sugar spikes blood sugar
woah....

>>15146057
Where are you getting that from?
https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/SH.STA.DIAB.ZS/rankings
Here it says, for type 2 diabetes:

Hong Kong: 4.5%
South Korea: 6.9%
China: 9.2%
Japan: 5.6%

USA: 10.8%
UK: 3.9%
Canada: 7.6%
Australia: 5.6%

>>15146898
made the mistake of checking my levels only 1hr after eating white bread with jam/relish: was over 11 lol.

>>15146921
11? That's not good anon..

>>15146905
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0168822718315857
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6202565/

>>15146930
ikr. thing is its usually 2 hr's after a meal you check, did some exercise for 1/2hr waited another and checked; down to 5.8. what
a rollercoaster ride that was lol.

>>15141375
If Harvard medical school is saying that, white rice probably has some miracle health benefits for Caucasians.

>>15147111
white rice does seem to be less inflammatory on average than white bread because even to normal people gluten can possibly be irritating to the gut lining depending on volume consumed. but that's about it, its main purpose is energy carbs

>>15141398
They eat less overall and also eat way more healthy foods like fish and veggies. Doesn't make white rice healthy.

>>15144616
>>15144616
non retard detected. Hell, you can smash sugar like Durianrider and not get diabeetus purely from exercising.

>>15145726
What's the method bock-o-roo?

>>15147217
you could, but youd have to make training as an athlete your full time job. most people arent going to do that.
also, as cited before, japan and korea have higher diabetes rates than canada or the uk anyway despite being slim

>>15147217
>>15144616
False. High carbohydrate diets cause insulin resistance.

>>15146217
They try to get them out as fast as possible.

>>15141877
That's why it takes years to actually get results, you reviews several time and ensure that your result are actually easily repeated with the same protocol.

>>15141375
k now compare it with white bread

>>15147578
It would be the same. It's been known for a long time that white/processed carbs are bad for health.

>>15141991
Unless this is fuckin bait,
Where do you think the Japs are getting their rice? What origin country is on those bags?

Granted they grow rice. But when Sakamoto Ojiisan grows his rice in a paddy the size of a kiddiepool, and bends over to till it with his hand scythe, and cuts his grass with hand shears, just like everyone in his town (that's on life support and bleeding population like a slaughtered pregnant pig), do you honestly think they're making enough of his rice for his whole community?

Japan has the lowest rate of food self suffiency in the whole of the G20. Japanese rice is, by in large, not Japanese.

there are more scientists in the world now than there have ever been collectively in the history of the world. they all think they're super special and groundbreaking but all they do is argue, retract, and change on a whim. no reason people don't trust them.

there are more scientists in the world now than there have ever been collectively in the history of the world. they all think they're super special and groundbreaking but all they do is argue, retract, and change on a whim. no reason people don't trust them. in the 50s, 60s, and 70s they were at least honest enough to call their musings "science fiction" and publish it as such.

Brown rice master race

>>15141375
University studies these days give the results the researchers feel they should get.

>>15146095
Have you heard of Parboiled red rice?

>>15148597
t.

>>15148870
not him.

>>15141500
As someone who has a psych degree, it was shocking to realize just how marginal most research nowadays is. a lot of research has been found to be bs after the fact. Look up the replication crisis.

That being said, science isn't a joke. It's just being counterbalanced with the humanities successfully anymore.

Is this a real thing? My mum is diabetic and her blood sugar spikes everytime we have rice. Not as much as pure sugar would though. She avoids it these days.

>>15148041
>Where do you think the Japs are getting their rice? What origin country is on those bags?
Rice imports are banned in Japan except for processed forms. Japan is also the 9th biggest producer of rice.

>>15148870
omg I just watched it. Loved that scene

>>15149122
It's hardcore /mu/, that is.

>>15142610
retard detected

>>15142404
the french diet has a higher percentage of saturated fat and less bread. that, combined with portion control and more walkable cities, is why they are healthier.

>>15141375
>white rice
if this is brown rice or black rice, it would be no problem

>>15141375
Does they think of proportion when doing this study?
The amount of food they have in America during a meal could feed an entire family in Asia for a week.

>>15141375
I've learned long ago to ignore any sort of internet food article
>BUTTER BAD
>wait no... BUTTER GOOD!

>>15141772
dumb weeb

>>15149318
To think decades of nautical seamen were getting their bodies fked over until they began eating the rice they were giving their chickens lol.

>>15149003
>Japan is also the 9th biggest producer of rice.
Which still puts them at like 2% of global rice production.

>>15147232

>>15141500
Its not that science is bad or wrong. Its that people over romanticize what science is or does.
Science is just a process of trying to figure shit out. In doing so, we're usually wrong or make mistakes. It comes with the territory and you're supposed to take studies with a grain of salt.
A scientist should be skeptical of papers, not because people are evil and out to get you, but because people naturally make mistakes or don't have the proper resources. You should try to verify it on your own if its super important to you.

The bigger issue comes with the masses who hears "science" and thinks it means "fact" when science is a constantly changing thing as we learn more. Science is good and we should listen to results, but we also shouldn't be surprised when we're periodically wrong.

>>15148933
Anything high glycemic like white rice and white bread will spike blood sugar higher. Theres a guy on youtube who does blood sugar tests of white rice vs brown rice or banana vs snickers candy bar

>>15149814
>believing science in 2020

Science was bought out years ago.

>>15149526
Not an argument faggot.

>>15141375
So, you're telling me the body is able to breakdown carbohydrates in the form of starch to carbohydrates in the form of glucose? Wow, revolutionary.

>>15149003
>Rice imports are banned in Japan except for processed forms
Why do weebs still believe this meme

>>15147134
konnichiwa my fellow tomodachi!! japan is so cool, desu ne? like the nihonjin eat so healthy and the conbini food is famous around the world! watashi want to do JET some day but I never want to daigaku so I can't. brb gonna go gochisou some ramen, btw shin ramen is the saikou

>>15142566
It's not so much an appeal to authority and more an appeal to first-hand witnesses/primary sources

>>15141412
>>15141375
>>15141379
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>>15141407
clearly Asians through genetics have develop and enzymes which reduces this sugar.

>>15142610
yeah this is not at all true. check out aristotle's rhetoric if you want to actually learn something about this.

>>15150781
>a demographic has the ability to ignore physical laws and convert energy into nothing

>>15150781
they get diabetes type 2 like anyone else, but doing more walking probably protects them to an extent

>>15141463
I’d like to see you make decent sushi

>>15150865
wonders of a certain much more common bacterial AND viral infection that causes a spike in BOTH TYPE 1 & 2 diabetes. when it was studied/ and peer reviewed 99.7126% of diabetics had the combo infection(bacterial infection with a viral payload) while those without either type of diabetes didn't. Waiting for that vaccine/antibacterial combo treatment to spread.

>>15141953
That's completely retarded, and anyone else who shares this belief needs to get their heads out of their asses.

White rice is actually better for you than brown rice.

Come at me.

>>15141375
>Harvard
You need to use credible sources, not an organization known to take large sums of money under the table.

>>15141463
>their curry is just watered soup
Wasn't it the British who inspired their take on curry?

>>15145997
The black guy may get diabetes, but every flu season is a death sentence for the Asian girl.

>>15141740
Are you a gorl?