/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>15173569
>He is falling for the meme.
Good job corporate money, another one!

>>15173569
>I'm going to start cocking and marinating my meat in plastic
I will never understand why people do this without a gun to their head

>sous vide
fucking stop
just reverse sear steak if you want to cook it like a retard, it gives you the same results but without having a hundred dollar watersports machine

>>15173587
nice low iq reponse there fren
those aren't just ziplocks, they are special plastic for cooking that doesn't release any shit into the food
By that logic you have to stop cooking in pots and pans as well and only can now cook food on a stick over open fire

>>15173593
>they are special plastic for cooking that doesn't release any shit into the food
Of course they leach shit into the food

>By that logic you have to stop cooking in pots and pans as well and only can now cook food on a stick over open fire
Nice strawman bitch

>>15173569
Go for a good one. Same goes for the bagging. I cheaped out on some of the plastic recently and it doesn’t seal properly, meaning vacuumed meat spoiled.

If you have the freezer space, a vacuum sealer will revolutionize how you buy meat. I’m not sure where you are, but in Germany, I buy meat at Metro. You have to own your own business to shop there, and it is aimed at restaurant owners. Bulk buying means that meat costs 40% what it costs in standard stores. Plus, I buy meat that’s nearly past its best before date at a 50% discount on top of that (although I wouldn’t do that with chicken).

Can’t be fucked to list what I have in the freezer, but on any given day me and the missus can just spontaneously decide to have roast guinea fowl, steaks, liver, octopus, schnitzel, calamari, duck confit etc. on a whim. Everyone who knows us thinks we spend a fuckton of money on luxurious food. Truth is, those dumb faggots spend 25 Euros on a Greek takeaway for two, while we’re eating a 2 1/2 pound tomahawk steak dinner for 6 Euros a person. All thanks to her vacuum sealer and our giant freezer.

>>15173744
>Metro
based

>>15173744
>Metro
it's called Macro, hanz

>>15173593
Every conventional plastic releases endocrine disruptors in your food - especially if you heat it up or use fats, retard.

“Almost all plastics leach endocrine disrupting chemicals, BPA-free onces partly even more”
>Results: Almost all commercially available plastic products we sampled—independent of the type of resin, product, or retail source—leached chemicals having reliably detectable EA, including those advertised as BPA free. In some cases, BPA-free products released chemicals having more EA than did BPA-containing products.
>Conclusions: Many plastic products are mischaracterized as being EA free if extracted with only one solvent and not exposed to common-use stresses. However, we can identify existing compounds, or have developed, monomers, additives, or processing agents that have no detectable EA and have similar costs. Hence, our data suggest that EA-free plastic products exposed to common-use stresses and extracted by saline and ethanol solvents could be cost-effectively made on a commercial scale and thereby eliminate a potential health risk posed by most currently available plastic products that leach chemicals having EA into food products.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3222987/
https://web.archive.org/web/20190514112629/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3222987/

>>15173744
Agree with this. Freezing meat is so handy. I will sometimes cut up my meat into the size I want it like for stir-fry and it makes preparing easier once defrosted. I actually can't believe how long stuff lasts too. I have eaten meat that was frozen more than 12 months and I thought it would be crap but it tasted 100% fine.

vacuum sealing makes food last longer and fresher in a fridge, but does it have any effect during room temperature? for example say i cook myself a chicken breast with some rice and sauce and then vacuum pack it and put it in my backpack when i go hiking. will it last longer than it would just carrying it in a topper ware?

>>15173766
>Das
Buy in bulk, prep meat/fish/whatevs, vacuum and freeze in portions.

The ultimate redpill is butchering your own animals. Bought a 3.5 kilo duck the other day for 50% off for 15 Euros. Now I have two vacuumed packed and frozen 1 kilo duck breasts, two frozen duck confit thighs ready to go, a duck stock and duck rillette from the leftover bit of meat

>>15173793
>butchering your own animals
Only a complete psychopath is capable of hurting an animal.
I eat meat every day but I could NEVER kill an animal myself, unless I was starving to death.
You are clearly a sociopath incapable of empathy or any human emotion, so please stay away from me.

>>15173793
Would be cool but unfortunately I don't live in a place that could have animals. The closest I've got it catching and cooking my own fish and that always tastes amazing.

>>15173832
>>15173840
I don’t mean slaughtering animals, I mean butchering them. Get whole animals or large pieces of meat, and do the butchery yourself. You save money and you end up with bones and scraps for broth, Pâtés etc.

>>15173774
That is a whole different can of worms.
Vaccum sealing greatly slows aerobic bacteria (yeasts, mold, fungi) as it kills the air (aero) that they need to grow.
Anaerobic will still grow just fine. e.coli and such.

So as long as you cook things properly, cool them sufficiently and keep things sterile while doing so it should be fine, but still try to keep things out of the danger zone and use within a reasonable timeframe.
In rice Bacillus cereus is the main worry and it is Anerobic. Even if you cook it properly.
People get sick off reheated rice all the time.

>>15173832
You're just too pampered. I slaughtered my first pig with a hammer and knife at 12. Make it at somethig out of a bucket alone, bash it's head with one clean strike, slash throat instantly while it's out, catch the blood for sausages. Afterwards hang it on backlegs onto a roof and flame off the hair. Gut the pic. Cut the whole pic in two starting at the ass towards the head. Let it hang. Cut into portions.

If you live on a farm you have to do it all. Castrating the piglets, quick and dirty (no anastesia), too. Imagine thinking tha being unable to provide for yourself is a virtue. You're like a baby.

>>15173859
Anaerobis are the worst kind, think Botulism.

>>15173859
Would be nice if the vacuum sealers offered and option to hook up a gas tank so it pumps out air and then replaces it with a gas, on of those they use in factories that conserves food and makes it last really long

>>15173873
The thought that I could one day actually walk past you on a street somewhere genuinely terrifies me.
People like you have NO place in civilized society.
I bet you enjoyed tearing legs from spiders to as a kid and it gave you your first erection.

I am not interested in sous vide meme shit but I use mine to buy meat in bulk and save it, also sealing weed if youre going out of town or something. I've got the FoodSaver brand and I've used it so much it's starting to wear down a bit but it's paid for itself at this point, if it breaks I'll be replacing it.

You can also freeze portions of soups and stuff in tupperware then pop them out and vac seal them, neat tip I learned from a guy in the dickered threads.

>>15173569
I have a cheap one and it does the job just fine. Buying plastic can be hit and miss, when a brand works well, stick to it.

Ignore the snobs in this thread, everything you buy is in plastic.

Also: Sous vide is fucking awesome.

>>15173569
I have pic related but I got it free from work, they're normally £200 though and I imagine these things are a 'get what you pay for' item. I've not even used it for sous vide it's honestly just great for meal prep and not having to worry about food going off. Would have never thought to buy one but it's very handy.

>>15173764
>“Almost all plastics leach endocrine disrupting chemicals, BPA-free onces partly even more”
even cast iron skillets will leech something into food
the point here is how much and does it matter
I can guarantee you will die from corona, cancer, old age, or immigrant stabbing you much much sooner than you will from the few tiny trace chemicals you have in your body from cooking sous vide.

>>15173900
>I have pic related but I got it free from work
Just because you haven't gotten caught doesn't mean he won't get either if he tries to get one """free""" from his place of work

>>15173886
Weak bait

>sous vide
Learn to cook soy man

>>15173901
>even cast iron skillets will leech something into food
And iron is a natural product we have used for thousands of years and something our body need. Plastic not so much.

>I can guarantee you will die from corona, cancer, old age, or immigrant stabbing
So why don't you become an alcoholic, start doing drugs, start smoking or just straight up kill yourself? You are literally saying that just because you, or someone, else pissed in your pants you might as well shit in them too

>>15173901
Unlike endocrine disrupting chemicals which interfere with reprodution and can sex change all kinds of animals, iron is essential to your body. That "something" matters.
And just because I might get ended by a negro if I fataly relax around him, that's no reason to make my life miserable prophylactically to that point. Especially not for such a meme. You're basically taking HRT ito your body through SV. Enjoy your gyno. If you Sv your meat and are better of eating the based bean instead.

You can do it by submerging the bag under water. It will press the air not. Not as perfectly as with vacuum but i don't think this should make such a big difference.
Also don't buy a sous vide stick but one of those big electric pots for hot wine punch and stuff like that.

>>15173569
>I'm going to buy a vacuum sealer so i can start cooking sous vide
If you said that you were buying a sealer machine to section your own cuts and store them in your deep freezer w/o freezer burn, okay. If you live in Alaska and hunt your ass off during salmon season, bear kills, storing your trufles, ramps, black walnuts, your stone crab season limits, your summer crop canning, and lived remotely, flying your precious food in. It's not a bad method to rewarm leftovers in boiling water, either. People like them, but they know the hidden costs exist. Namely, the bags are quite a bit thicker, BPA free, and that price is now built into your portions, one expensive bag at a time.

Sous vide, however, is a lazy restaurant trick for people doing meal prep and putting trendy shit on their menu to compete in a low profit margin world, avoiding waste and budgeting time during times of service. I don't find it worthwhile. You'll likely enjoy playing with your toy of the month after a few recipes come out nicely, so go for it though! You'll soon tire of it, likely.

Sous vide machines are great for warm baths of salt-rising dough and yogurt, fyi. If you have some cultural food obsession, you might enjoy it for their recipes of custards, steamed puddings, and bain marie kinds of applications.

>>15174081
Is every hecking board on 4chin based?

^

>>15174192
no

>>15173569
I wouldn't bother. I've been cooking sou vide for years and there's no need for a vaccum sealer. Just use regular ziplock bags weighed down with magnets or a metal stand with clips. I recommend double bagging for cooks over an hour.

>>15173587
>>15173599
>>15173764
you people are like those retards in the 70s who thought microwaves would give you cancer
>>15173832
bruh

>>15173952
why are soyboys the only ones whoever use the soy boy meme

>>15174081
this is some antivax levels of stupid dressed as smart

>>15175584
>>15175603
>alls scientific findings point us to the understanding that plastics are a health hazard
>tards choose to compare it to american random urban myths
Well, knowledge can't safe everybody. Enjoy your steamed plastic meat.

“Non-stick kitchen utensils reduce T, penis length, semen quality and testicular size”
>We found that increased levels of PFCs in plasma and seminal fluid positively correlate with circulating testosterone (T) and with a reduction of semen quality, testicular volume, penile length, and anogenital distance. Experimental evidence points toward an antagonistic action of perfluorooctanoic acid on the binding of T to androgen receptor (AR) in a gene reporter assay, a competition assay on an AR-coated surface plasmon resonance chip, and an AR nuclear translocation assay.
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/104/4/1259/5158211
https://web.archive.org/web/20190514112301/https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/104/4/1259/5158211

N-not my antistickorino synthetics!

“PFC (Teflon) leads to fertility problems”
>Polychlorinated biphenyls (PCB) and perfluorinated compounds (PFC) (commonl known as Teflon) are chemicals that only break down naturally to a very small degree and therefore have a strong tendency to accumulate in the environment. While PCBs are known to be environmental pollutants and have not been legally produced since the 1970s, the use of many PFC variants is rapidly increasing in products such as water-resistant clothing and coatings in saucepans and frying pans.
>Marianne Kraugerud's thesis shows the effects of PCB 118 and PCB 153, which are two separate PCB variants with different chemical characteristics. In lambs exposed to these substances while in the womb and via their mother's milk, effects were demonstrated both on the formation of egg cells in the ovaries and on the hormones that control the function of the ovaries in female lambs. Kraugerud also found that sheep foetuses that had been exposed to these PCB variants while in the womb had a diminished ability to produce the vital hormone cortisol.
>Through laboratory cell cultures, Kraugerud demonstrated that both PCB and PFC can directly affect the production of steroid hormones. Steroid hormones, including for example oestrogen, testosterone and cortisol, are necessary for maintaining the capacity to reproduce, normal development and normal bodily functions in humans and animals.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100701081857.htm
https://web.archive.org/save/https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100701081857.htm

“English rivers so polluted with estrogen-like chemicals that male fish feminize and strongly reduze fertility”
>Feminization of the male roach, Rutilus rutilus, a freshwater, group-spawning fish, is widespread in English rivers; among the causative agents are natural and synthetic steroidal estrogens and chemicals that mimic estrogens. In feminized male roach, concentrations of the egg-yolk protein vitellogenin are elevated, sex steroid hormone dynamics are altered, and gonad development is disrupted (most notably, a female reproductive duct or developing eggs [oocytes] are present in the testis). In some English rivers containing high levels of estrogens, all male roach sampled have been feminized to varying degrees. In the more severely affected males, individuals produce low-quality sperm with a reduced capability for fertilization. Laboratory studies have shown that the environmental estrogens responsible for inducing gonadal feminization in roach can also alter reproductive behavior, disrupting normal breeding dynamics (parentage) in the zebrafish, another group-spawning fish. Together these findings indicate that feminization of wild roach may result in adverse population-level effects, but this hypothesis has yet to be fully addressed.
https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/58/11/1051/264727
https://web.archive.org/web/20190514113812/https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/58/11/1051/264727

>>15175634
>>15175645
lol big words != facts
let me pull out my flat earth documents kek

>>15175656
Thoe are peer reviewed studies in reputable journals. Maybe first understand scientific publications before shilling for shit.

>Non-stick kitchen utensils reduce T, penis length, semen quality and testicular size

>>15175667
>peer reviewed
probably not.

2018 called, it wants it's meme back

Everyone in the know is waiting for affordable, domestic steam injection ovens that not only does everthing a sous vide does and better, but also does much more on top. Expect the plebbitfags to catch up in 6 months and the shills for the new ANOVA precision oven to ramp up in the next couple of months.

>>15175634
>https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/104/4/1259/5158211
>after adjustment for multiple comparisons (Table 2). No significant difference has emerged in terms of other seminal or anthropometric parameters.
>Hormonal analyses showed higher levels of total T and LH in the exposed group, compared with control counterparts
from what i read it only hypothetically effects you invitro and your body makes up for it by producing more testosterone

next time read the articles you link reddit fag

>>15175808
Serum testosteron isn't the same as actually active testosterone. As with many other hormones. If it would make you create more T, HRT would be impossible.

>>15175783
>steam injection ovens that
mmmmm steamed hams

>>15175783
>everyone in the know
so really just k. jenji alp-loius subscribers.

>>15175823
if you just took estrogen alone your body would produce more test but thats irrelevant and the process of hrt has nothing to do with what these people are reporting
theyre saying PFC make it harder for test to bind and because of that difficulty your body just produces more test

and the levels are insignificant as the report states

also as you clearly didnt want to acknowledge its only an issue invitro so quit shilling bullshit cause you saw a youtube video

>>15175860
>its only an issue invitro
lmao you have no idea what so ever that is true

>>15175866
im going off of the paper you linked as i said read your reports before you shill them

>>15175783
wtf are you going on about steamed oven are awfull for anything but baking and cant be compared to sous vide theyre two completely different tools
i can only guess that some retard is trying to shill there steamed oven product as a replacement to sous vide one of those magic does all products you see on infomercials and you fell for it

>>15175869
If you unironically believe a paper tells you everything there is to know you are naive and in for a surprise. I'm not interested in arguing, just telling you

>>15175887
baking bread****

>>15175888
maybe you shouldnt link papers that countridict what youre trying to shill
i get it papers make you looks smart and inflate your ego but maybe read them first

>In lambs exposed to these substances while in the womb
KEK

>>15173793
How long does like chicken and stuff last?
DO you just vacuum seal and freeze?
When you defrost, do you have to defrost all of it or can you just take it out, cut it in half and seal the other half again and back into freezer?

>>15175887
he's just dumb. He means the new precision oven that just happens to also be a steam oven.

>>15175894
I haven't linked anything. I'm just telling you the world is far, far from understood.

>>15175911
can you link me i seriously cant understand how an oven can be compared to sous vide
like even if it precise that would only make it better for things like puff pastry's and decarbing your bud

>>15175914
bruh you linked a fuck ton of irrelevant shit to try and shill some antivax level of bullshit

>>15175946
I have not linked anything that was another guy. Anyway who linked what is irrelevant. I have at least 10 farts queued up in my anal hole and I will let i out soon

>>15175846
>if you just took estrogen alone your body would produce more test
Increased serum-Test does not off-set the damage estrogen does to your testicles, it would still fuck up your reproductive health. Also the study only measured total serum-T which isn't an exact indicator for the effectiveness of the hormone, you can have high total serum-T levels without changing the effective free Testosterone in your body, just because the regulatory cycle of your body ups the T doesn't mean it offsets the effect of inhibition. Point is, it's not fully understood and difficult to study, as a medfag I'd be cautious towards anything that potentially messes with the hormonal pathways of my body. Doesn't mean I wouldn't ever cook sous vide or use products that contain xenoestrogens, I'd just consider it a potential health hazard and make sure to limit my exposure to it

>>15173569
>posting a sous vide thread on /ck/
Excellent bait my man. The people here are batshit insane over anyone using sous vide.

>>15173569
What's the point of the butter?

>>15173587
sous vide lets you get to precise temperatures - which affects how proteins cook. There's a reason you always see people using this to cook meat and not really much else. Try a sous vide egg before you knock it.

>>15176389
>eating steak without butter
are you for real?

>>15175937
https://anovaculinary.com/anova-precision-oven/

>boiling plastic
yikes! enjoy ur 8 types of cancer, weird tasting food, and estrogen

>>15176476
nice memes

>>15176453
Why put it in the vacuum bag tho? Shouldn't you add it when you give the steak a sear?

>>15176479
IT TURNS THE FROGS GAY

>>15173859
>>15173877
What about freeze-drying before vacuum sealing?

>>15175894
>only affects you in vitro
Doesn't make any sense to claim that. Something might affect you stronger in vitro, but it will still affect you. An btw wannabee, it's in vivo, when you talk about the effects inside the womb, not in vitro, which means in a test tube. Stop trying to make yourself look smart if you can't even differenciate basic terms.

But let's assume you are right. Those components are basically eternal and are widely distributed in the envoirement. Do you know what that means? Anybody using them is adding toxins to the unborn next population. So while it might not fuck you up anymore (which it does, Teflon has been shown to increase cancer in those people working with it and even fuck up their fertility) your children will suffer throught it, which is even worse.

Endocrine disruption is real and dangerous, especially because we can hardly filter that shit out of the envoirement anymore.

>>15175634
>>15175645
>>15175651
shut the fuck up already nobody cares

>>15178797
*gyno tits sacking insensely*

>>15178903
>estrogen
>low test
>gyno
I'm a girl so why should i give a used tampon about that? All of those things are actually desirable in my body.

>>15178931
Your hormones should remain in balance otherwise you too will suffer health consequences, starting with PMS and even infertility. If you get pregnant, you will increase your chances of misscariage as well as damaging the endocrine health of your child. Last but not least, a constant flow of xenoestrogens can damage your bodies ability to self-produce, while also having unknown coeffects on other hormornal docking stations.

To think that just because you're a woman you're fine, is more than naive.

t. actual woman

>>15178931
>>15178948
LONDON

>>15178948
of course, only a soulless bitch would throw this much of a fit over something they're not even putting into their body.

>>15179167
>caring about the health of your people is being soulless
Aye, Moshe, I am sure you have other ways to subvert humanity outside of cooking in trashbags.

>>15179188
false equivalence doesn't make you smart. ranting about jews doesn't also instantly make your argument any less retarded.

>>15179377
You can call me all the names you like, Moshe, doesn't change the fact that you are ranting against people trying to share benefitial information to the wider public.
Why would you need to do that? I'm sure you're too stupid to have stocks with Dupon and co. Are you just part of the IFLS crowd which actually just loved to reshill stupid news of the week while kvetching about actually usefull data because you haven't been propgrammed to like them yet? Why would you feel the need to call a woman obviously caring for the wellbeing of her people a "soulless bitch" if not because you are invested in preventing those same people of being healthier and better informed?

>>15179444
>doesn't change the fact that you are ranting
once again a soulless dyke incapable of looking inwards, it's always enjoyable to see someone project. it's even better when they respond to your first post in the thread as if they're the ones they have been shrieking at for the past 12+ hours.

and to think we actually let you vote.

>>15179470
Go eat your fucking plastic cup Sheila.

>>15179470
Oh well, I get it. You took offense in the poster being a woman. To think that I thought there might be actual reason for your fact denial.

No worries tho, it's not like voting actually changes anything, golem.

>>15179504
projecting again

>>15173873
The fact that it’s ok to castrates pigs and cows with no pain meds is fucking disgustingly cruel. This is why I don’t eat meat and honestly the Jews the right that most people are goyim, you can talk shit, you can say something gay about enjoy your ( insult of choice ). I don’t care, you grew up on a farm and I didn’t, it doesn’t make your life any better or you more of a man. I understand that you can’t have the bulls getting in territorial disputes, but there’s no fucking reason not to use pain meds other then you being cheap as fuck... it should be illegal to do this.

>>15180293
Ok kike

>>15180293
It's not cruel, it's how the world run before modern medicine. It's all done within 2 seconds in rural areas. You not eating meat doesn't change this necessity in poor or older times. In the west the pigs usually get local anasthesia as it is forbidden. But guess what in the 90s UDssR people didn't even had anasthesia for a teeth removal on themselves. And yes, the life and suffering of those rural people make them better men. Men which can actually deal with reality instead of putting animals abive their own health.

You sound like a woman, this is not meant as a insult but as a factual statement on which you should ponder for a while.

>>15173569
You can just use a plastic bag and a regular cooler for no money; see Kenji Lopez-Alt's videos on this if interested. But personally I find that since you have to sear the steak anyway it's not really worth the extra effort.

>>15180331
This post is full of non-sequiturs. E.g., people in the past suffered pain, therefore it's okay to inflict suffering on animals.

The logical response is to acknowledge that factory farming is morally wrong but it's too inconvenient for you to change your habits.

>>15173569
I would say avoid the foodsaver vac. Its okay but sometimes it wont pull a vacuum on larger items. The weston pro seems like a better bet. Once my food saver croaks ill buy the weston pro.