/ck/ - Food & Cooking

vegetable oil is not healthy

>>15925695
>vegetable oil (also healthy)

>>15925695
French fries is just potatoes (healthy) and vegetable oil (healthy).

>>15925695
too easy to get a lot of excess calories
also, it's cheap filler in shitty foods

>>15925695
>soybean oil
>healthy

vegetable oil is terrible for you
however if you make your mayo from olive oil then yeah theres nothing wrong with it

>>15925740
>vegetable oil is terrible for you
doubt

>>15925740
retard

>>15925758
>>15925760
omega 6 is inflammatory. stop being uneducated in the age of infinite knowledge

>>15925695
How can any of this be unhealthy?
>Aldi brand mayo

>>15925695
>vegetable oil (also healthy)
That's a half truth.

>>15925758
Vegetable and certain seed oils contain an omega3-to-omega6 ratio of up to 1:20 when a healthy diet demands something closer to 1:1. The average american diet gets a ratio of 1:6-1:7. Omega6 is a very inflammatory oil which causes your body (specifically blood vessels) to be in a constant state of inflammation which in turns causes calcification, leading to higher blood pressure and blood clots. Since there is no way you are consuming enough omega3 to correct the balance it is simply better to stay away from these oils. Favour oils low in omega6 such as coconut and olive

Or just eat butter lol

>>15925740
>however if you make your mayo from olive oil then it will taste awful

>>15925695
Do Amerifats really eat that much mayonnaise?

>>15925695
>vegetable oil (also healthy)
haha. this board really cracks me up

>>15925773
Label says it's high in omega 3. That may be true even though the main ingredient is soybean oil
because the food scientists have created something called high oleic soybean oil. Some brands may be using high oleic versions without labeling it as such. For example Kettle Brand chips use high oleic canola, sunflower or safflower oils to fry their potatoes, but nowhere is this mentioned on the label, only in the faq of their website.
High oleic vegetable/seed oils have been engineered to have less omega 6 and more monounsaturated fat than the standard vegetable oils. Would I consume Kettle Chips? Hell no. It's still a frankenstein oil.

>>15925915
My american wife eats a jar of mayo a day :(

>>15925910
dont use virgin or extra virgin, regular olive oil has a pretty mild flavour. or use avocado or sesame if you like the taste of those better
>>15925920
high in omega 3 doesnt mean anything as it likely still has like 10 times as much omega 6

>>15925695
yeah i never grasped why people are so repulsed by mayo. I use kewpie in a lot of shit now

>>15925695
Some oils are fucking dogshit though

Is vegetable oil actually unhealthy if you're not a lardass? Or is it just another mom science meme?
Fatass Karens are always scared of specific foods or nutrients, be it carbs or fat or whatever.
And this board is full of schizos and roasties.

>>15925695
What does that have to do with a bowl of fruit yoghurt?

>>15926046
See >>15925811

>>15926046
Most vegetable oil is refined with superheated steam well above the smokepoint (most lard/tallow as well for that matter). This creates carcinogens (3-MCPDE and GE) and transfat.

Making mayo with unrefined vegetable oil is not an option though, it will taste like ass (supposed mild flavoured virgin avocado oil is simply fake).

>>15926053
So do you have a meta-study showing a correlation between higher omega6 intake and CVD? Are slim people who consume more omega6 less healthy than equally slim people who consume less omega6?

>>15926053
>>15926117
Or a meta-study associating omega6 consumption with other diseases. I named CVD just to ask for one example.

>>15926121
how would mayo give you covid?
it makes no sense

>>15926117
are you retarded? literally first link when you look up omega 6

>>15926131
Go ahead and post it, lardass. Switching the burden of proof won't work.

>>15926136
im not posting anything im just here to laugh at your retardation
typical npc who thinks body weight is all that matters, bet you think you have to be obese to get diabetes too lmao

>>15926117
Are you serious?

>>15926140
Cope, fatass

>>15925811
>>15925762
>>15925734
>>15925711
>>15925706
typical /ck/ contrarians
>the entire body of science indicates animal fat is far worse for you, making soybean or canola is the preferable alternative
>you: NOPE ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE, TRUST ME DUDE THEY'RE ALL JUST LYING AND I KNOW THE TRUTH

>>15926147
in 30 years ill still be slim as well as not dead while youll be dead no matter how slim you are :)

>>15926159
>implying you are thin

>>15926181
because i dont think thinness is a good indicator of health? totally bro, keep believing your facebook mum science

>>15926190
Rather because you got butthurt when asked to substantiate your claims, Karen.

>>15926190
>because i dont think thinness is a good indicator of health?
only a coping fattass would believe this

thin people can be unhealthy sure, but fat people are NEVER healthy

>>15926198
youre asking someone to link proof to something thats as well known as excessive carb intake causing insulin resistance, not only is proof there by simply searching "omega 6" and clicking the first link but youre clearly emotionally invested in the whole "vegetable oil good" narrative, it would be a waste of time from anybodys part to try and link anything to someone so clearly acting in bad faith
id rather just watch you seethe while expressing the nutritional expertise of a facebook mum who thinks as long as you dont gain weight youre healthy

>>15925726
lol

>>15925695
Mayo is one of the least healthy condiments because the fat content is so goddamn high. Even a small amount of mayo has hundreds of calories.

>>15926225
>still refuses to post a source
Not reading your wall of lardass cope

>>15925923
Mine too, she washes it down with a 2 liter of diet coke.

>>15925740
This.

>>15926148
You are outdated in your information, anon.
Now science says it is the opposite.
I'm not joking.

>>15926361
It really doesn't, not for non fatties.

Honestly, who cares if it's not healthy. Just don't eat a jar of mayo a day and you'll be fine. Life isn't about it's length, it's about overcoming the struggle and becoming a better version of yourself. A man's gotta eat and if an unhealthy but delicious meal once in a while is what fuels him to overcome life, then that is what he should eat. No tranny should ever tell him to stop eating without getting his face smashed in or simply get ignored.

>>15926485
Body fat literally has nothing to do with it

>>15926251
Fat american wives :( i beat her now.

>>15926361
typical underinformed retard

>>15925726
Fries aren't actually bad for you. What's bad for you is deep frying the fuckers.

>>15926908
>simple carbs arent actually bad for you
lol

>>15926923
Not him but they're not, gotta bulk up somehow.

>>15926148
why where the mongols so powerful and feared if they didn't eat any vegetable oil?

>>15925726
Lol this

Why are fatasses so scared of carbohydrates?

>ask for a source about omega6 being a risk factor for CVD or other diseases
>butthurt and deflection ensues
Why would anyone be offended by having to back up their claims?

>>15926940
Why do you have this saved?

>>15926578
Yet if you ignore fatties it's impossible to find anything relevant either epidemiological or in intervention studies ...

>>15925695
too bad most store-bought mayo is soybean oil and water.

>>15926117
_The Queen of Fats_ by Susan Allport
A book on all of the science.
Lots and lots of footnotes to research. Stop being ignorant.

>>15925695
>vegetable oil (also healthy)
couldn't be more wrong
https://youtu.be/7kGnfXXIKZM

One packet of mayonaise has 7% of your daily recommended intake of fat. One. Single. Packet. So say you go to McDonalds and get a small fries with a dipping ranch(equal to a packet of mayo): the small fries and the dipping sauce alone equal 24% of your daily intake of fat. Get why Americans are 40% obece now?

>>15928547
Sorry, but my numbers are wrong:

https://fastfoodnutrition.org/mcdonalds/creamy-ranch-sauce

https://fastfoodnutrition.org/mcdonalds/french-fries/small

Turns out that a ranch sauce from McDonalds with a small fries equals 35% of your daily recommended intake of fat, not 25%. Bump that up to two ranches amd a large fries and it jumps to 73% of your daily recommended intake of fat. From an appetizer. McDiabetes, indeed.

>>15926148
>tranny shilling soy and vegetable oils

>>15928606
>McDiabetes
Diabetes comes from insulin resistant tissues that adapt to a high-carbohydrate diet. Fat intake has nothing to do with it. Total calories only matters insofar as how many of them are high-glycemic carbohydrate calories.

>>15925695
neither eggs nor oil are particularly healthy. it's a shit ton of calories and almost no nutritional value

>>15928547
>>15928606
>ranch
Who the fuck is dipping their french fries in ranch??

>>15928640
they do that in amsterdamn

>>15928761
Lol, no.

>Fritessaus or frietsaus ("fries sauce") is a Dutch accompaniment to French fries, served popularly nationwide.[1] It is similar to mayonnaise, but with at most 25% fat, is leaner and usually sweeter than mayonnaise.[2] Mayonnaise in the Netherlands is required by the Warenwet (Wares law) of 1998 to contain at least 70% fat and at least 5% egg yolk before it may be called mayonnaise.[3]

>>15928640
Most people do. Sure, a lot do ketchup, but that's because of how unhealthy mayonaise is. Mayo is the key ingredient in ranch. I did make that roo complicated, though. Let me try again.

McDonald's Ranch(one "packet"): 18 grams of fat

Daily recommended intake of fat: 44-77 grams

One packet of ranch is 25%-40% of your daily recommended intake of fat depending on your body.

>>15928781
Fat is not the enemy anon, sugar is the problem that makes people obeast

>>15928781
Sugar? What about salt?

>>15925762
Inflammatory when it outcompetes in the body for omega3, you need a balance of some sort and what not.

>>15926148
Sorry. I use palm oil for cooking.. fuck the forest btw

>>15928781
>Sure, a lot do ketchup, but that's because of how unhealthy mayonaise is
Do you really believe this utter bullshit?

>>15925695
>vegetable oil (healthy)

>>15928630
>eggs
>no nutritional value

Several sources of information suggest that human beings evolved on a diet with a ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 essential fatty acids (EFA) of approximately 1 whereas in Western diets the ratio is 15/1-16.7/1. Western diets are deficient in omega-3 fatty acids, and have excessive amounts of omega-6 fatty acids compared with the diet on which human beings evolved and their genetic patterns were established. Excessive amounts of omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA) and a very high omega-6/omega-3 ratio, as is found in today's Western diets, promote the pathogenesis of many diseases, including cardiovascular disease, cancer, and inflammatory and autoimmune diseases,

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12442909/


Vegetable oil is certainly unhealthy. This is because it's pretty much all omega-6, and standard american diet is 15:1 omega-6/omega-3, versus a recommended amount of 1:1

In theory, maybe vegetable oil would not be unhealthy if you ate a diet with a balanced amount of omega 3:omega 6. in practice, you probably already eat way too much omega 6 and eating vegetable oil will make this far worse.

>>15925758
>>15925762
>>15929485
>>15927732

>>15925706
Can mayo be made from animal fats?

>>15930285
i doubt it as butter and lard solidifies in room temp even if you would heat them up to liquid form before making the mayo
i would suggest just using oils that have a good balance on omega-6 : omega-3 such as olive (non-virgin), sesame (cold-pressed) and avocado (regular)

>>15930293
>>15930285
clarified butter should work, there's even a few recipes floating around for it

>>15930328
what happens to the mayo once you put it in the fridge? can you link a recipe?

>>15930345
https://www.marksdailyapple.com/homemade-ghee-mayo/
recipe says you can refrigerate it without any problems, but I'd guess it'd get pretty thick

>>15930361
oh right, most of it is still evo oil
also a weird choice of olive oil for mayo as the flavour in extra virgin is very strong

>>15930285
Aioli works fine with Olive oil, that's the closest equivalent to mayo without the use of seed oils.

>>15926148
Did somebody just say SCIENCE?! I love that shit!!!!

>>15930420
Science > some shitter from 4chin

>>15930445
you said it bromo sapien!!!!

>>15930657
i was looking for this image, thanks anon

>>15930445
>Science > some shitter from 4chin
Yes indeed
>Several sources of information suggest that human beings evolved on a diet with a ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 essential fatty acids (EFA) of approximately 1 whereas in Western diets the ratio is 15/1-16.7/1. Western diets are deficient in omega-3 fatty acids, and have excessive amounts of omega-6 fatty acids compared with the diet on which human beings evolved and their genetic patterns were established. Excessive amounts of omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA) and a very high omega-6/omega-3 ratio, as is found in today's Western diets, promote the pathogenesis of many diseases, including cardiovascular disease, cancer, and inflammatory and autoimmune diseases

>>15930667
Go ahead and post a meta-study then.

Got a stick blender a few days ago and the first thing my amerifat ass did was make homemade mayonnaise for a tuna melt. It did not disappoint. one egg, dijon mustard, lemon juice, avocado oil, salt. Turns out way better than storebought shit and used it in the tuna salad along with the panfry. I am a fat sack of shit though so don't take my word for it I guess.

>>15931968
avocado oil is healthy so its good youre making mayo out of that instead of some omega-6 ridden death liquid

>>15931989
Part of me wants to make some sesame oil mayo to see how much of an abomination it would be but shits cost prohibitive.

>>15929978
Mayonaise also tastes disgusting, and is the key ingredient of ranch. Maybe that's why some people prefer mustard and ketchup as dipping sauce for fries.

>>15932009
sesame oil is unfortunately probably the worst when it comes to omega-6 is it contains virtually no omega-3, which is a shame because i think its the tastiest oil around

>>15925920
“High” is a subjective term. I can say a food is “high calorie” cause it has 20 calories and I feel like that’s a lot. Means nothing.

There's literally no reason to think the fat in eggs is healthy but not from soybeans

>>15932101
You do know that fat is more than just one homogenous group of fatty acids known only as "fat", right?

>>15932109
Not an argument

>>15932133

simple reason, fats/oils are calorie dense and the average person being retarded they can easily have too much and gain weight. now as an everyday thing, the issue can arise where those calories could be used for something with more nutrients, but in terms of making people fat it's not that bad. just retarded people

>>15926148
>the entire body of science
No it was just a few food scientists funded by Kellogg(a creepy 7th Day Adventist who also advocated chopping off foreskins to prevent masturbation).
Almost all “science” related to nutrition is based on poorly designed observational studies that use self reporting(aka shit data) and don’t control for other variables like the fact that a vegetarian is also far more likely to be health conscious and do things like regular exercise than someone who pays no attention to their diet.
When you actually do a rigorous multivariate analysis the only things that seem to improve health are calorie restriction and eating nuts.
Conflicts of interest are also rampant in nutritional science. You often see Coca Cola funding “studies” that show that sugar isn’t bad for you, or pajeets who follow a vegetarian diet for religious reasons “proving” that meat is unhealthy and that we all need to eat lentils, or researchers who also sell diet books and supplements for the diets they are promoting.
And there’s no reason to believe that people from different parts of the world with radically different climates and crops should all be eating the same thing. Northern Europeans evolved to eat dairy. Native Americans are almost universally lactose intolerant. Western diets in general seem to be far worse for people with Native American ancestry.

>>15926232
Calories are not bad for you. A consistent caloric surplus for years is bad for you.

>>15927716
They’re not. How do you think they got so fat? You think they stuffed their faces with 60 oz of filet mignon every day? No they drink litercola and eat doritos.

>>15928640
>Who the fuck is dipping their french fries in ranch??
Obese White women in america put ranch on everything. Pizza, burgers, french fries. It’s very grim.

>>15928778
>eating watered down mayonnaise
What the fuck is wrong with swamp Germans

>>15932169
They got fat by sustainedly eating more calories than they burn hence why many of them use carbohydrates as a scapegoat. Rather than eating human portions, they demonize a specific food or nutrient and continue to pig out on every other food in the hopes this will make them thin.

>>15932009
Just add a tbsp to your avocado oil Mayo should be more than enough flavor

>>15932199
you do realise that the excess calories come from carbs right
its actually quite difficult to eat excess calories with fat and protein alone

>>15932235
fats are really high in calories. way more than carbs. on average an ounce of bread will be about 75cal. while an ounce of olive oil will be about 250

>>15932262
and guess what, eating loads of fat will make you feel full for a much longer period than a bunch of carbs will due to spikes and dips in blood sugar which fat doesnt cause
this is basic metabolism

>>15932199
The reason they single out carbs is because most processed foods are very high carb.
What do fatasses generally eat? Chicken breast, or Oreos? Swiss chard or french fries? Salmon or poptarts?
Think about it like this. If you took the standard American diet which is 70% carbs and had to cut something from it, what would you cut? Fat? Hard to do without cutting too much essential fat and having hormonal issues. Protein? Nobody thinks that’s the issue.
Since refined carbs make up a huge portion of the caloric intake, the best thing to do would be to reduce the amount of simple carbs. You can keep eating fruits and veggies but there’s no need for sedentary fatass to be eating 8 oz of bread with their meat or a 20 oz side of French fries. Carbs are also cheap so when you go out to eat the restaurants give you massive portions of carbs. By cutting them out you’re just going to eat less. Instead of chicken and potatoes you have chicken and broccoli that way you still get the protein but fewer overall calories.

>>15932262
When you go to a restaurant they give you an ounce of olive oil and 20 ounces of bread to dip it in. Nobody is going around drinking cups of oil. They are, however eating 2 lbs of french fries with ketchup.

>>15932276
>If you took the standard American diet which is 70% carbs
Stopped reading there.

>>15932287
it applies to western world as a whole

>>15932203
I will do this next time I make it. I'm gonna throw some chili garlic sauce in there as well for some extra tang and spice as well. Thanks anon.

>>15932138
Cool reddit meme. When your balls drop and if you dont chop them off come talk like a man

>>15932406
Lurk more

>>15932235
It's actually quite easy. Oil is extremely calorie dense.

>>15932267
You will not be full from eating oils, your appetite is not purely dictated on blood sugar, otherwise 80% of the world would be morbidly obese from the grains they consume. You don't understand metabolism at all.

>>15932412
Yet another dumb reddit meme because you're a retarded tranny that can't formulate an actual argument. Please join the 41 percent.

>>15932415
you think its easy because you are one of the people who gets 75% of their calorie intake from carbs and have to spike your blood sugar else you will not feel satiated no matter what
oils and fat are extremely filling
>>15932424
the entire idea of a low carb diet and why some people do it in order to lose weight is based around how due to the lack of dietary glucose your blood sugar stays steady throughout the day and you will not only feel satiated easier but also not experience spikes of hunger
honestly why talk out of your ass when anyone can tell you have no clue

>>15932431
Projection is off the charts
Lurk more

>>15932431
>can't formulate an actual argument
what, an argument to this?
>>15932101
are you retarded? do you think theres no difference between fats and oils?

>>15932436
Oils are not filling at all. Not by any myopic or scientific experiment
>entire idea of a low carb diet
I don't care, that's irrelevant to what anyone is talking about, we're not talking in platonic ideals, dumbass

>>15925695
I’m not capable of consuming mayonnaise. One time I ordered from some world famous burger place at the king of Prussia mall and my burger was just smothered with semen-consistency mayonnaise. I’ll never have mayo on my burger again.

>>15932444
Deflection is off the charts.
Join the 41%

>>15932448
You're asking a question. That's not an argument.

>>15932450
like i said, you are one of the people who gets 75% of their calorie intake from carbs and have to spike your blood sugar else you will not feel satiated no matter what. so its no wonder you cant comprehend it
this is getting embarrassing now

>>15926148
Holy shit the state of modern science. The fucks who believe every study because they came from someone with a piece of fancy paper lack even the most basic ability of introspection. Science is the new religion, studies scripture, and scientists the priests. If you question anything you're a heathen and inhuman.
Do your own research for fuck sake.

>>15932461
You're a retarded emotional tranny who schizophrenically ties imaginary diets to a moral compass. Please kill yourself.

>>15932464
whos the one being emotional and having a complete meltdown when out of arguments eh :)

>>15932470
You

>>15932471
this is what happens when an npcs worldview is shattered, a nuclear meltdown. its quite sad but also funny
im off to make some dinner, see you anon!

>this is what happens when an npcs worldview is shattered, a nuclear meltdown. its quite sad but also funny
>im off to make some dinner, see you anon!

>>15926361
Source?

>>15930243
Canola oil is 2:1

>>15930243
>Several sources of information
sounds like bro science

>>15932145
>who also advocated chopping off foreskins to prevent masturbation
shame it didn't work on me

>>15932145
>No it was just a few food scientists funded by Kellogg(a creepy 7th Day Adventist
this is what i heard also

>>15932556
Not him but literally every long living population eats foods that fat people (mutts) consider bad and live well into their 100's no problem.

>>15930285
Yes. There's animal fat in egg yolks.

>>15926225
the burden of proof is on you. you made the claim. you cite the source.

you claim it is so easy to google it but instead of doing that, you reply with a walled paragraph spouting some good old salty baby shite, which takes more effort, causes discourse, details the thread and makes you look like a fucking idiot.

no I didn't read your giant post or really followed anything you said or actually give a shit either way but holy fuck, man. cowboy the fuck up. what lame-ass little bitch shit.

>>15927772
I googled it, posted and deleted it.

>>Because America is the only country that matters on the internet
>>Most mayonnaise consumed in America is made with soybean oil, the cheapest oil available.
>>Soybean oil is stupid high in omega 6
>>This throws off your omega 6 to omega 3 ratio.
>>That makes it bad
>>Literally only reason mayo is unhealthy. If your mayo is not made with soybean oil then it is not unhealthy.
Mayo = Oil + Eggs
Dumb shits, mayo is not inherently bad

>>15935444
>>>Because America is the only country that matters on the internet
Being mocked is not "mattering".

why does so much get deleted here?

>>15932462
Did you do your own research on whether or not modern science is overwhelmingly claiming that what he said is true?

>>15935890
Some schizo who went on a rant probably got a long ban

>>15925706
>>15925711
cold vegetable oils are relatively healthy, you just cant heat them up
animal fats are healthy either cold or hot

>>15926202
She aged like a fine wine.
Old wines taste like shit.
I'll stick to my Blackberry Ridge Boones.

>>15938199
Omega-6 fatty acids don't care about temperature, which is the #1 health concern with these oils not some nebulous cancer risk

>>15925695
it's an easy way to add a lot of calories without thinking

>>15925910
Dude. Go to the store today and get some Hellman's olive oil mayo. It tastes just like regular mayo. And this is coming from someone who might very well punch somebody for attempting to poison me with anything containing Miracle Whip. If you eat that trash, we can never be ok.

>>15938378
What are the ingredients of said mayo?