/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>16433689
Drink it with cheeses to try.
The first time I drank wine and then tasted a decent cheese was amazing, I had no idea how well they would play off each other.

>>16433696
Woah, this sounds like a good idea.
Any cheese types you'd recommend pairing with Pinot Grigio?

>>16433689
Pair it with food. A Cabernet with a steak is excellent.

How can vinegar be so good but wine so gross?

>>16433732
Because vinegar reminds us of the way shit tastes and smells.
It seems overly offensive at first but then you try it and realize it tastes so much better than you could imagine.

>>16433744

Mmmmm glycophosphate, so yummy in my wine

>>16433701
>Pinoy Grigio
Why would you drink that shit? It's literally made for women

>>16433689
Start by not drinking Mondavi Pinot Grigio ffs. With regards to beer vs wine, bottom shelf beer is often bland but drinkable, whereas bottom shelf wine is often shite.

Pinot Grigio is pretty much the most inoffensive wine out there, but if you must, buy one that's from Italy. It will be bland but likely more technically correct.

Also, if you want something with low bitterness, try Riesling.

>>16433701
Mild cheeses, since Pinot Grigio is quite neutral.

>>16433689
Try mixing it with ice cold sparkling water 50:50. Thats the only way i can enjoy wine

>>16433689
Try to start with sweet white wines
I can't stand sweet wines, but that's what teenagers start with here, so it's probably a decent way to get used to it
Also, you could just not drink it if you don't like it

>>16433874
Based central europe anon
Although 3:2 wine-water is much better ratio imo

>>16433956
>I can't stand sweet wines
pleb

>>16433689
By drinking it

>>16434090
The super sweet ones like tokaji aszú ar good, but that's a delicacy and not for everyday consumption, unless you're super rich

>>16434142
PX sherry and new world botrytised/ice wines are very affordable in comparison.

>>16433689
Know what flavors you enjoy
Find a wine to suite your taste

Woodbridge sucks big time, get a nice white wine (probably 15-17 usd+) and enjoy it with cheese.

>>16433798
glycophosphate is good for you, take your meds

>>16433689
By growing up. Try it.

>>16433823
It's literally not.

A tip for you anon, is to get out of the closet. Only closeted faggots divide the world into things for men and things for women, and avoid the latter as a form of overcompensation.

>>16433689
like most alcohol, wine requires palate acclimation. Most people tend to like dry/off-dry riesling, it's very citrusy and crisp.
If you want jammy and red-fruit centric, try a spanish granache instead
If you want something that's closer to scotch with a rich and nutty profile, try a madiera
there's so muck diversity in wine styles and flavors that there's guaranteed to be something you like out there

>>16433689
Try a sparkling wine, $15-20 prosecco or cava

>>16434368
Based beyond all belief. If only the retards on this board could ever get their heads out of their asses long enough to realize that you can just enjoy whatever you like, in spite of societal standards of “manly” or “faggot” foods

>>16434492
Sugarcuck cope

>>16434368
Not to agree with the other anon, but Ive only ever seen Pinot Grigio in cheap bottlings in petrol stations as a last-resort.

>>16433689
Get decent wine to start. Avoid anything from California or South America. Look to spend anywhere from $20-70. Keep in mind you may not like certain varietals. I mostly drink reds so I’d recommend a Tempranillo gran reserva as something approachable on the red side. At the end of the day, it’s about finding something that matches the acidity you like, body, complexity, aging, etc.

>>16433689
Try to combine it with food.
Try a crisp, white wine such as Pinot Grigio or Sauvignon Blanc paired with Greek: Hummus with pita & veggies, Calamari, Spanikopita.
Another good one is an Italian white with a Pasta fra Diablo w/ chicken or shrimp. If you can find an It. restaurant that sells Pasta Diablo, they'll likely have a selection of Italian whites; pick one off the list; it really won't matter which.
Or pair a milder red wine, Pinot Noir or Beaujolais with a red meat, like a hamburger (nice restaurant; not fast food ofc).
Notice I'm pairing them with slightly less than gourmet meals (steak, etc.), but if you prefer those dishes, go for it.
Once you get used to it, you can move up to bolder wines: Chardonnay for white, Cabernet Sauvignon for reds, ofc you can also stick with what you like.

>>16433761
lmao, i don't think he meant literal shit anon, just "stuff", since vinegar is a common cooking ingredient

>>16433689
If you force yourself to eat/drink something 15 times, it'll go from vile to tolerable. I read this in a scientific journal, tried it on seaweed, and it worked.

This brings me back though... when I was ~20 I met up with a friend of mine and our goal was to drink two bottles of fucking wine we had been gifted but hated. Popcorn, salty licorice, choking on disgusting wine, and watching Hunter x Hunter. Good fucking times.

Unrelated, but I love wine now

>>16435014
>70
Lmao you pretentious douchebag

>>16435075
Depends on what you’re looking for. I find some of my favorite Bordeauxs are around $50-70. Similar with with champagne, albeit if I’m doing champagne it’s more for special occasions and I’m probably going to spend $150-$400 on it. Picrel.

>>16433689
Start by drinking reds faggot.

>>16433689
>wanting to drink something that makes you want to vomit
Ngmi

>>16433689
Wine is pretentious and tries to hard not to taste like grapes. A "rustic" wine, which is essentially grape cider, is rather tasty.

>>16433689
stop drinking poison

Try being european or gay (not that there's a difference LOL!)

>>16433689
drank alot of it in highschool since it was one of the cheapest ways to get drunk. now I have a taste for it. try to stay away from dry wines since they're not as easy to enjoy if you don't like wine.

cok with it

>>16435229
if this guy meant "cook with it" and not "cock with it", he's (half) right!
When you're cooking with wine, you keep sipping the wine now and then, and like some other guy said, you eventually get used to it. Taking small sips over & over as a side activity can help you get over this hump.
If you sat & just tried to drink something you didn't like, it' alot harder.

If, on the other hand, he meant "cock with it," that's really more of a personal taste: the addition of cock can make some activities more bearably pleasant.

>>16433689
Try starting with wines from the Loire region in France. They tend to be fairly sweet and flavorful, but don't have tannins that can make some wine unappealing to people more accustomed to beer/liquor.

>>16433689
do you like cidar? maybe try starting with dry hard cider since they have similar flavors.

>>16435089
You opened a bottle of champagne because your special occasion was hanging out with your friends here on /ck/? :D

>>16433689
I started liking wine after I researched the different types. I made a list of each main kind of wine and would try them out. Idk after a bit I started liking it.

>>16433689
Wine is for gays and women. So unless you're one of both of those things, steer clear.

>>16436167
what if I'm GAMP? I'm also literally drinking wine as I type this

>>16435337
I always kek at the weird advice people give here for first wines to try

>>16436180
What the fuck?

>>16433689
You don't have to like it anon. If you don't like wine then you don't line wine.

>>16436180
gamp.....what is that

>>16436276
the scientific name for "man with superior taste"

>>16433823
If wine makes you a women you were not a man in the first place. Not like the grape grew on the vine with tits retard.

>>16433823
>not knowing that there's many styles of Pinot Gris/Grigio
Faggot

>>16433689
Don't get it. Just stop. You don't like it. Why care? You're not made to like everything, or aquire a taste for it. There's things you'll like, and things you won't. Don't tell me you'll later make a thread on how to like eating cow shit. Just stop being retarded. If you don't like wine, that's fine. Just don't hate others who like it.

>>16433823
>>Pinoy Grigio
I'm interested in trying this, where do I find some?

>>16436300
>16/f/pennsylvania
>I like young adult romance novels and hanging out alone, sitting on railway lines.

>oh me oh my
you can probably fuck off

>oh no i hate being vaccinated
>how do i get into wine america

>>16436468
nicole maines is 23, seething roast beef

>>16435933
No, that was a wine tasting with other sommeliers I know and a friend that was moving out of town for a good while.

>>16433689
Hugh Johnson's Pocket Wine Book will give you an idea of what wines are generally worth your time and money. The bools also suggest what foods pair well with certain wines, what foods to outright avoid, and more.

>>16435014
>avoid anything from... or South America
South America is a good source of affordable, approachable wines you retard

>$70
dunce

>>16435151
what is this magic thing that winemakers do to make wine not taste like grapes?

>>16436758
why the hell are you drinking out of flutes with somms lmao

>>16436941
Fermentation

>>16435337
You mean Vouvray? Cause Loire also includes red wines like Cabernet Franc from Saumur which are decently tannic.

mix red wine with coke. or add water until it tastes okay. water takes the edge off.

>>16436276
"Good automated manufacturing practice"

>>16437656
nah he's just a retard

>>16433689
You drink it with fitting food (you can easily find what food fits what wine online). Like another anon said here the tastes play off and compliment each other.
At the end of the day no matter what some overcompensating fags on here might say the human body does not naturally like the taste of alcohol, coffee e.t.c.. To fully enjoy wine try to have it with good food and smaller glasses. If you have a way smaller glass you’ll feel way less forced to drink it all and it won’t feel like a chore. It should be something you enjoy not just something you drink because “you’re supposed to”. This goes for whiskey and other spirits too. And before you call me a queer for not having enjoyed alcohol for the first few times when I were 17 or 18 try giving a younger cousin or family black coffee, they will not like it and neither did you the first time.
Over time you will learn to appreciate the taste and nuance between them, the way it fits the food, aromas, e.t.c..

>>16437733
As a teen I liked alcohol because it got me drunk. I still only like alcohol because of its effects. I don't really think anybody likes it (over an alternative like juices, flavored waters, ciders, straight up water, etc). Proof? Non-alcoholic stuff is only consumed by alcoholics despite it being much cheaper most of the time.

Similarly I can't understand why anybody gets into coffee. There are less damaging, more tasty ways to get caffeine or generally wake up in the morning. At least alcohol is a relatively innocuous way to feel drunk/tipsy/whatever.

If something is "oh, you just have to eat/drink it often enough that the unpleasant taste subsides" then it wasn't any fucking good in the first place now was it? They're drugs. I'm not saying not to consume the drugs, but kidding ourselves into thinking they taste good "and you just need to refine your palette" is extreme cope.

Alcohol tastes bad. Coffee tastes bad. Weed smells bad. Needles hurt a bit. All the same shit.

>inb4 child tastelet
At least children don't bother lieing to themselves.

>>16437778
do you ever get mad thinking about how your parents screwed you? they only fed you microwave tendies and sunny D and now you'll spend the rest of your life a laughingstock in social situations involving enjoying food, coffee, or alcohol

>>16437778
>but kidding ourselves into thinking they taste good "and you just need to refine your palette" is extreme cope.
This wasn’t really the point of my post. My point wasn’t that we were to fool ourselves but that someone really can enjoy the taste of alcoholic beverages if they just learn to look past the bitterness of the alcohol. Wine can be good and enjoyable which is why a lot of non alcoholics really enjoy it, me included. This is true for coffee too, and while yes it’s a “drug” the reason people drink it is because they’ve learned to like it and it’s more “natural” (they feel) than snorting a lime of white powdered caffeine.
I’m sure you can enjoy the taste of things like high cocoa chocolate even though you technically aren’t “supposed” to like bitter tastes too, right? It’s very similar to wine and hard liquor.

>>16433701
I find 3-4 slices of mild Kraft Singles pairs well

>>16433689
Get a known brand that is good

>>16437783
>didn't have it force fed to you as a child and therefor can't "appreciate" "good" things
Cope.

My parents actually liked me. Fed me healthy food instead of "haha let the kid have coffee we all do it haha". The human body naturally likes certain things. Unless they're healthy for you, forcing yourself to change those tastes doesn't seem like a good thing.

>>16437816
Replied to you but was mostly generalizing. I recently started drinking beer (like 4 years ago), hated it before then. But now I'll actually pay extortion amounts at restaurants/bars for a beer. However, I don't LIKE the taste. If I wasn't out with friends trying to loosen up a little (and not look like a fag), I'd much rather a glass of water or some milk. But for some reason that's not socially acceptable (and doesn't get me drunk of course). If this were anything else, people would be here spouting how big alcohol has brainwashed us into wanting something we don't like.. But it's alcohol, "ooohh wow we're so adult because alcohol and coffee are adulty things".

You can like it as much as you "don't hate it", but that's like saying you like the dentist. While I'm not going to argue the point, I honestly believe you (actual you, not generalizing this part) don't LIKE wine. You can appreciate it, you can even want it, but as a taste: I don't think you like it. The litmus test will always be: if two bottles are sitting side by side and taste reasonably similar but one is non-alcoholic and 10% cheaper.. You buying the neutered wine? I just don't believe you would.

I used to get a block of cheese (not super expensive but not some Land O Lakes) that paired with the red wine, and id just sip the bottle and eat chunks of cheese. You have to be in the right mood though, I used to watch Game of Thrones and do that

>>16437841
The human body naturally likes certain things. Unless they're healthy for you, forcing yourself to change those tastes doesn't seem like a good thing.
The human body is set on survival. If we eat based simply on what’s tasty just mix butter and sugar at a 1:1 ratio and the human body will naturally like that a LOT. It also likes fast food, doesn’t mean that’s healthy. The reason we dislike bitter is because it’s a sign of “this might be poisonous”.
>but as a taste: I don't think you like it.
What I “like” is hard to pinpoint, it really depends on the situation. I don’t hate neutered wine, I’m fairly neutral on it. Sometimes I might want to drink soda, sometimes a fine wine. All depends what I’m having it with and how I’m feeling. But you’re correct in that by itself wine is usually not very tasty, much like some sauces.

>>16437841
Yeah just like I was "forced" to take a shower and not scream in public and not poo in my pants and learn to read and write

Poor thing

>>16437906
I'll be honest and say wine was not a staple drink here; more of a beer and spirits area/family. I'll be taking the advice in this thread to actually pair it with things, might enjoy it more. Though I maintain I won't actually like the taste: just make it better than without a pairing.

>>16437916
>these good things are somehow comparable to getting a child accustomed to drugs
Cope2.0

>>16437922
>the only bitter food is coffee
poor little deplorable. the beetus drugs must be so expensive on obamacare

>>16437906
This is explainable with simple neuroscience. The prefrontal cortex is what makes us human, and doesn't fully form until the mid 20s. It forms higher thought about longevity and the human condition. Which is why most military men who get sent to die are 19 or 20, but I digress. The "lizard brain," more primordial stem in the back is what you're referring to as what the human body wants. The human body dislikes pain and loves heroin.

Idunno just musing.

>>16437936
>just rambling now
Cope3.0

>>16437778
If you were right then people would just take caffeine tablets and drink vodka. Sorry you have a bad palate.

>>16433689
Start with pic related. Its so sweet that its basically juice. Late harvest wines are also awesome.

Another important face about wine: Shit needs to be cold as ice.

>>16438174

>>16438149
But vodka tastes even worse. This doesn't disprove shit. Being the best bad thing doesn't make it not a bad thing, you brainlet.

Also people do take caffeine tablets. And energy drinks. And "vanilla frappe with extra shots".

>>16438382
Good vodka tastes like almost nothing. You have just outed yourself as not knowing anything.

>Also people do take caffeine tablets. And energy drinks. And "vanilla frappe with extra shots".
Doesn't explain why heaps of people don't.

>>16438403
Cope4.0
Folgers and [insert whatever brand of vodka that you tell yourself is best because you know best] appreciate your business. 0.02 ounces of vodka have been deposited into your account.

>>16438413
It's not a cope, you just have a shit palate so you haven't had much alcohol, ergo: you don't know what you're talking about.

>>16438403
Good vodka tastes like alcohol and water, because that's what it is.

>>16438436
Yet some vodkas hide the alcohol better than others, despite being the same AbV.

Never thought I'd like wine, tried a bunch of different wines and didn't like them, until I tasted a Riesling.

>>16438442
Not really, bottom shelf has blotched distillate in it. A dirty little open secret. Even Goose and Ketel taste like booze. Which is why you should go for gin, the OG flavored vodka.

>>16438466
There's really no correlation between price and quality in vodka at all.

>>16433689
Where are you from? If you aren't from a few certain countries, I understand that you don't like wine

>>16438577
Trinidad and Tobago.

>>16438580
Of course you don't like wine, where the hell are you supposed to grow grapes where you live?

>>16438586
I fibbed, that's not me and I was jus 'avin a laff m8

>>16438587
The point still stands, if you don't live in a traditional wine-producing country be ready to spend tonnes of money to buy mediocre to decent imported wine or straight up drink vinegar

>>16438597
I'm from the US and I don't like wine. I'll drink it because there's alcohol in it, or it pairs very nicely with a meal, but otherwise meh.

>>16433689
For me, I had to have proper parings with food before I enjoyed wine. Try a dry, cold chardonnay with melted/soften brie cheese on a baguette. That's the easiest place to start. Or go to a local, high quality restaurant with a sommelier and take his recommendations.

>>16433689
i used to get some good sweet wine from st julian for cheap. it would taste just like juice.

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>>16438659
Different case for a different country: I prefer wine over other types of alcohol since here it's guaranteed to be good even if you spend 3/4€ a bottle

>>16438758
no u

>>16436959
It’s champagne. You want less surface area exposed with it.

>>16436936
South American wines typically have too much green notes and clay notes. 0/10.

>$70
Already been addressed.

>>16439339
Tulips > flutes

>>16433701
Brie or chevre. Costco has some interesting cheese packs with suggested wine pairings. Most of my family started out on whites and hated reds. Then they tried some actually good reds and converted.

>>16439381
Sparkling wine goes well with everything except desserts imo. The bubbles are refreshing with fattier richer food, same reason why people drink coke or beer with a burger

>>16435014
Are you retarted? California produces some of the best wines.

>>16439369
Flutes are traditional and it’s also what the somms chose. Some people like champagne tulips but the argumentation is entirely subjective. Points on pretentiousness though, good job.

>>16439394
Maybe if you’re in prison. Had Opus One last night and while it’s the best californian wine I’ve had, there’s much better Bordeaux style wines for considerably less out there. Californian wines have this unique cheap blandness about them.

Ah, now I understand the hate. You're French, aren't you? I can't personally speak for Opus One, but California wines have been besting French wines since the 70s brother.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Paris_(wine)

>>16439493
Nope, American. californian wines are quite easy to spot to be honest. The northwest has the best American wines by a long shot.

With regards to your meme, californian wines were pretty unknown before then. Very likely decisions were affected by the novelty of the taste—something they weren’t accustomed to.

>>16439493
Keep your judgements, I'll keep on enjoying my Veneto wines

They repeated the test at 2, 10, and 30 years later with similar results. Did the novelty have a factor all those years later too?

>>16439570
>>16439530
Meant to reply to that.

>>16439562
I'm not shitting on Italian wines my friend. I'm just refuting the argument that California wines are shit. There are plenty of good wines from all over the world.

>>16439570
>>16439573
You can look up the international wine challenge. They do it every year.

https://www.internationalwinechallenge.com/Canopy-Articles/iwc-2021-the-medal-results.html

>>16439611
That's great and all, but have you tasted Sweet Berry Wine? It is truly one of the greats.
https://lasjaraswines.com/products/sweet-berry-wine

>>16439664
>2019 vintage
>sweet
Anon, I’m over 21. Might as well grab arbor mist at that point.

>>16439673
That was a joke brother. It is a literal meme wine.

>>16439408
Nigga I'm broke and drink $15 prosecco most of the time, but I do notice a difference between my tulip and my flutes. Tulip keeps carbonation while allowing you to actually smell and taste the fucking wine

>>16439689
Can’t say I’ve had an issue smelling or tasting champagne

wine is a rich taste u pleb

I never really liked (white) wine or beer, but after making myself drink it a few times I ended up liking both.

Barefoot Pinto Grigio is a great introductory white wine - very smooth, minimal aftertaste.

As others have said, maybe just enjoy a small glass with a meal to begin with.

I'm in the same boat as OP. I can't stand the stuff. I want to cook with wine as I feel I'm missing out on simple dishes that showcase the flavor of the main ingredient rather than overwrite it (such as a curry), but every cookbook I've found recommends to use "only a wine I would drink". What do you fellas recommend for cooking? Hopefully something <$20usd.

Also, how long does an opened bottle of wine keep? Do you store it at room temp, or does it get nasty?

>>16433689
Trying wine is crazy hard.
The bottles are 4 times as much as a drink, but it dies after a day so you actually have to drink it all. You can't go to a tasting bar because having a large selection means bottles will have been opened for a long time. And there is so much on the market with so much more coming out that you'd have to drink an insane amount just to keep up. If you become an alcoholic or join a dedicated drinking group and do manage to keep up, even non-vintage wine changes year to year so your experience straight up expires.

It took me no time to get through every brand of beer available in store. It took a couple years to get through all of the entry level whisky bottlings for each distillery available in store.
But wine is a lost cause. I went to a 100 shiraz tasting once, I'd probably need to do one of those for each varietal a year, plus partake in a second wine only drinking group every week.

tl;dr guess and get lucky, it's the only way.

>>16437733
>You drink it with fitting food
I find this is often an excuse for flawed wine.
If a wine is crazy acidic or tannic such that it's completely out of balance you just blame the drinker for consuming it wrong.

>>16437778
>juices, ciders
Alcoholic cider blows these categories the fuck out
>flavored waters
Alcopops, schnapps, etc are the same deal with the flavor dialed all the way up
>water
Your idea of a positive taste experience is literally no experience?

>child tastelet
Children will happily drink alcopops and probably even cider.
And your sense of taste literally changes as you age and you legitimately gain an appreciation for bitter things. At which point someone will enjoy their first sip of beer.
Besides there's plenty of acquired tastes that even children partake in. Chocolate. Any number of foreign foods. Even the local cuisine that foreigners shit on (like 3 year old's eating vegemite sandwiches every day).

>At least children don't bother lying to themselves
They do. They pretend to hate things, and refuse to try things. You can trick them into eating things they claim to hate, and they'll frequently end up enjoying what you've given them. Or you can force them, and they'll frequently end up enjoying that kind of food in the distant future.

>>16437841
>if two bottles are sitting side by side and taste reasonably similar but one is non-alcoholic and 10% cheaper.. You buying the neutered wine? I just don't believe you would.
That's not particularly fair without tasting it blind. I've tried a fair amount of alcohol free beers / wines / whisky and they have all been absolutely trash. Everybody expects the next one to be trash too.
Decaf coffee is a much fairer example. As far as I am aware it's not noticeably different, and there are absolutely times where I'd enjoy a coffee and not want the caffeine.

>>16438571
Actually it's far worse for gin.
Most people refuse to drink it straight, so you have idiots praising un sippable trash en mass. Hendricks, Bombay, Tanqueray, etc should be priced like Smirnoff.

>>16439493
I don't know if you've paid much attention to wine awards, but having one is quite the red flag.

>>16438179
>greek wine other than xinomavro

>>16439493
imagine being such dead weight that all you can do is bleat about muh judgment of paris for 45 years while flooding the market with turgid swill loaded with mega purple and vanilla extract

cI*lifornia was a mistake

>>16439339
>>16439408
>>16439713
Yeah, if you care more about the bubbles in the glass than the quality of the wine.

>>16439347
The absence of those two qualities are exactly why I suggest South American wines. You're more likely to find pyrazines and minerality in Bordeaux.

>Already been addressed.
Just because you enjoy $70 wines doesn't mean that they make a good baby's first wine.

>>16440485
>he hasn't taken the Assyrtiko pill

>>16433689
try beaujolais. it's very light both in alcohol and the chemicals n shit that makes you feel hungover. apparently the french drink it at lunch, it's like juice to them

>>16440841
>>16439347
>>16436936
>the only south american wines are bitter lawn clipping wines from punta arenas
try an overweight overripe argie wine and you'll be wishing you had more green and clay notes
>>16439394
california wine is tuned to appeal to people with mcdonalds palate

>>16439394
I'd never try an American wine honestly