/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>17203687
Based coffee.

Also, FUCK INCELS

>>17203687
>2048x1365
90% of that image is blurry, not just out of focus (which could be an artistic decision) but just fucking blurry

>>17203705
It’s blurry because it’s out of focus, dipshit. Fag OP just got his first fast lens and is jerking off over the shallow depth of field. Every new photographer goes through this phase. Usually wears off quick.

my guy got a camera for Christmas

is the chemex good alternative to pour over for multiple cups or is it a meme?

>>17203711
fag op is actutally making fun of the guy your talking about

we will still keep this thing open for submissions, with preference given to the blurriest images with the highest resolution
but fag op does concede that /ctg/ bingo was a failure

>>17203778
What do you mean, a failure? There were three completed lines (one horizontal, two vertical), of which one didn't even have any dubious entries.

>>17203778
But why would Fag OP make fun of a soulful, inpspirational cooof post? It reads more like an homage.

>>17203849
blackout bingo is all or nothing; close only counts in horsehoes (or lawn bowling or curling)
5 of the images were scraped from a previous thread and 3others ended up not being an exact match (including one that's obviously a vacuum attachment)
participation was low, and really the only butthurt that came crawling out was the slav who got hung up over the spelling of cezve

>>17203882
it might verywell be an homage
the interpretation of these threads is completely in the minds of fags like you
i prefer a little absurdism instead of the paradigm that the OP of a general thread needs to have a million links to FAQs and pastebins and taking oneself too seriously
after all, this is 4chins you autistic newfag retreads

I'm drinking this lovely right now. Quite robust and citrusy with baking spices and an orange blossom smell when the water hits.

>>17203711
Anon I had my first 50mm f/1.4 when the only thing coffee colored you made was left inside your diapers. I was sarcastically posting in response to another anon threatening to do the same
>implying it's a fifty in the first place

>>17204090
now this is the kind of butthurt i come here for

Alas, my SLR with extension tubes uses film, and the turn-around time for processing into a digital file is too long for this thread. As in, I'd either have to research to find out where to get it done, or set up my own darkroom.

And my Moka pot is arriving today.

>>17204175
it’s going to be 2022 tomorrow, anon
if you’re still shooting film and not processing it yourself, you are doing it so wrong I can’t even

>>17203755
Chemex is pourover idiot

>>17203778
Should've been more than just brew methods desu, then we wouldn't have to include such niche shit just to fill the board. Types of grinders (manual, automatic burr, blade) and specific drinks like cortado, etc. would've made for a more achievable goal.

>>17204175
processing your own bw film at home is really easy and you don't need to setup a darkroom or anything. just need a film changing bag and dev tank.

>>17204197
pipe down retard

>>17204197
I haven't used that camera in at least 10 years, but my digital imaging equipment is set up for extreme portability, not macro photography. On the old one, I even had the adapters that would work with a microscope.

Now that would be wild. Coffee grounds at extreme magnification.

>>17204219
grinder bingo & coffee drink bingo are abandoned ideas that would have potentially been future threads
but the point of this exercise was to encourage the posting of OC images and i was willing to bend the rules to include everyone's submissions if argument could be made that an image kinda fit the description on the bingo card; itself fostering discussion and compromise
eg. i never expected to see a cold drip tower, but i was glad to get to use anon's coldbrew method as a substitute
but there really wasn't a great turnout of OC images, and there never is...so i proved my point to myself
I would like to say that everyone who played along in the previous thread: YOU DA REAL MVPS

i agree that to get to 25 different brew methods is a difficult problem if you abide by the strictest classifications
and when you start breaking those down into brands or niche esoterica it becomes difficult to get the number below 50 or even 100, let alone 25
it becomes the matter of:
>what are objects that anons might actually have laying around and use?
>how many different styles of pouring water over coffeegrounds have a distinct name, despite being the same thing?
>what's some obscure shit that some people have never heard of but might be interesting to see or at least talk about?

and then you can get into technicalities that cause lively discussion:
>a moka pot IS a percolator
>mr. coffee is just automated pourover
>a cuisinart "espresso" machine makes real espresso
>aeropress/flair arent "machines" because they don't have cords
>my rotary pump is better than your vibratory pump
>the best espresso I ever had came out of a moka pot on my own stove
>a $500 shower dripper is doing the same thing as a $30 machine from walmart
>a dzezva isn't a cezve
>and so on, and so on, and soforth

I'm getting more of a seared bite on the Aeropress, than I'm getting on the actual V Six- no no no no no no no no.... No please don't say that no no no... No. Nonononono. No no nono no no. NONO NO NONO NO NO NOOOOO. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm not gonna trip. I wanted to come in a 100% hater.

I'mma tell you off the top. I wanted to take a sip of this and be like 'ehhh nah nah it don't it it'- I'mma just flat out say it; your Aeropress /ck/, IS BETTER THAN YOUR ACTUAL V SIXTY /CK/. YOUR AEROPRESS /CK/ IS BETTER THAN YOUR ACTUAL V SIXTY /CK/. IT HAS A MORE SEARED TASTE.

IT'S MORE OF A BREWOUT FLEX. IT JUST TASTES BETTER. Get over here. You get back in the cabinet. /ck/. That sip is so flavorful my m- and the fact that it works so well, it literally compliments the aroma. Like I'm not even mad that I'm sippin' up, and I'm not even mad, that I'm sipping coffee right now with my breakfast.

You can really taste the chocolate notes because the sear, on this press based situation right here, it's so strong and you barely get nutty notes but the notes are there so you get a crunch off it, with soft fruity action with BPA? /CK/, YOU'RE ONTO SOMETHING, AND I LIKE WHERE YOU, YOU GOIN' /CK/, THE AEROPRESS COFFEE SON!

>>17204338
My flair has a cord.

>>17203694
I'm an incel. Why do you hate me? I can't control it.

>>17204209
fuck you, i know. but most pourovers are for one or two cups and doesn't use chemex filter

It's growing on me. Needed another few lbs just in case. Might have to buy a few more and freeze them.

>>17204944
I still don't understand how that has anything to do with being better for multiple cups, how much coffee are you looking to brew at once? Look up the volume of the specific one you're looking at and decide if that's enough for you. My v60's carafe is marked as holding up to 600mL but I can easily brew up to 750mL with no issue, and because the cone is a separate piece I could just as easily use a larger vessel if I wanted or brew 2 pots back to back without transferring the coffee into a different container. Chemex is all one piece so you're limited by the size of the carafe itself and would have to empty it and reset to brew again. Chemex is also generally slower than other pourover methods because of the thick ass filters and tendency to stall out if you're not careful, so brewing back to back would be slow as fuck.

I don't understand your point about other pourover brewers not using chemex filters, why would that be better for multiple cups?

>>17205178
Based bar mat chad, I see you

major dickason's blend made in pic rel. it is just so damn good, bros...

>>17205208
What is that, some kind of metal filter chemex ripoff with a thermal carafe?

I close up shop for a local cafe and I got pretty good at packing shots, calibrating the grinder, and using the steam wand. But I'm moving and I don't plan to work at a cafe anymore. What's a good setup I can do when I move to my new place? I don't want to give up doing my own cappuccinos. Grinder, means of doing the shot, and steam wand, preferably below $500 all together. Or do I need to aim higher in price regardless?

>>17205212
I think the common parlance used here is chinkshit, but your description's pretty spot on too

>>17205231
>Grinder, means of doing the shot, and steam wand, preferably below $500 all together. Or do I need to aim higher in price regardless?
https://espressoaf.com/recommendations/entry-machines.html
>https://espressoaf.com/recommendations/entry-grinders.html
Read both, do 30 minutes of googling afterwards, and report back.

>Two spoons of instant coffee
>A sachet of instant vanilla latte mix
>Cutting the top off an UP&GO for easy pouring, to use as my milk (vanilla flavoured of course)

Am I doin' it right fellas?

>>17205212
>>17205237
>superior insulation
>vacuum sealing lid
>reusable metal filter
lmao nice brainlet cope

>>17205208
>>17205212
>>17205237
>>17205292
>Crafted with food-grade materials
like GENUINE AUTHENTIC STEEL BURRS?
>Each pour-over coffee dripper features a reusable micro mesh filter that blocks debris, coffee grounds, and impurities from impacting taste
oh thank god I keep getting debris & impurities that pass through my paper filters but the Sinobrewer seems to have this all sussed out
>which means no more expensive paper filters.
because the most expensive part of making coffee is buying paper fucking filters

>>17205302
>wasting money on a consumable component for absolutely no reason
>choosing an open glass pitcher to retain heat
more brainlet cope I see. amazing.

>>17205302
You're arguing with "ceramic keeps more heat because I can feel it" guy.

>>17182209
>>17190009
>>17205208

>>17203687
Thanks for reminding me. IT'S FUCKING COFFEE TIME!
Back in a bit, gonna fire up my shitty little espresso machine and steam a splash of cream.

>>17205343
>ceramic is metal
>>17205346
>dives into post history in classic reddit form
>refutes nothing
lmao... the seethe is palpable.

>>17205371
You drink second wave dark roast at ~$20lb. There's not much to refute. You should be trying to convince us you're not a retard, but you're failing spectacularly.

>>17205404
>more ad-hom attempts signifying nothing
>getting this assblasted over a carafe
hahahahahaha... holy shit, bud.

Has anyone tried evaporating to increase strength?
Pic for your attention

>>17203687
Today I had my coffee with vanilla syrup, malty vanilla protein powder, and a bit of whipped cream mixed in

>>17205464
coffee? that would rather end in overextracting it

>>17205464
What the fuck are you talking about

>>17205444
>major dickason's blend made in pic rel
>https://www.peets.com/products/major-dickasons-blend
>You drink second wave dark roast at ~$20lb

>>17205464
hard to do at home without burning it or letting it get stale

>>17205522
>attempts to insult coffee-maker: fails
>refocuses impotent rage towards the coffee itself to recoup shattered ego: fails
truly pathetic.

>>17205464
just brew with less water

>>17203711
It's blurry as the depth of field at f1.4 is very shallow and the picture is taken at an angle which emphasizes this.
It's poorly composed.

>>17205270
Aight thanks, I've narrowed down to some sort of Flair setup, a stovetop steamer, and Eureka Mignon Manuale unless I find a good deal on used kit. Won't be outrageously over my budget but still over $500 all together.

>>17205721
>Eureka Mignon Manuale
Over the last few weeks we've seemingly come to the conclusion the manuale is a filtro with $40 of different burrs, a different $2 rocker switch, and a portafilter fork. The crono is the filtro with a timed switched. But they seem like great products and both people who have posted here about them recently love them. There's a guy who posts here who is actively printing a new base/accessories for his filtro so hopefully he can chime in.
>some sort of Flair setup
Thats what I'm using. Flair 58 with a pullman basket, tamper, and distribution tool. Kinu phoenix for the grinder while my new key ships. Those fuckers want a extra $200 to ship it DHL air and I'll be on the hook for the $100+ in import duties. Fuck that, I'd rather buy myself their bean cellars or anything else dumb and just wait an extra few weeks. I paid for free shipping, I'm getting free shipping. Pic rel, been pulling shots with the kinu for 2 years. I'll put a few more cranks in the old boy before selling it.

>>17205193
i was nor making a point about it, I was asking if chemex is a good option and i got called an idiot for not lunping it together with other pourovers. thank you for your answer

>>17205292
CHINA STRONK TAIWAN RIGHTFUR CHINESE CRAY

>>17205582
look, Chang we get that you’re trying to grassroots advertise your product on a discussion forum like this but we’re too smart to see through the bullshit
what if I go and buy one of your coffee thermoses and then write a negative review because it’s a piece of shit? will you send me emails for 2 months straight offering name a refund if I remove the bad review too?

>>17206051
>>17206292
>more ad-hom attempts
>still failing this hard
lmao... seething this hard and you still can't refute anything. must suck not being able to back any of your opinions with real words.

>>17206341
here's an actual question. isn't it kinda akward to pour out of once you remove the top to use the lid? looks like it

>>17206341
here’s another one:
Why wouldn’t I want to see the color of the brewed coffee?

Wtf is this shit?

Wtf is this shit?

>>17206480
kalita cold brew tower

>>17206503
read your own image title, sperg

>>17206503
cold brew

>>17206292
You see how quick kingrinder got shut down when we refused to engage.

>>17203778
do yall niggas actually drink v60 coffee??
ohh no no no

>>17206392
not really. the base stays completely cool on the outside and pours out easily.
>>17206399
you can see it in the cup when you serve it. I'd rather it stay completely hot than be able to stare at it through the carafe.

>>17206599
it's not the temperature I'm thinking of it's the fact that there is no handle to hold this fat piece with up to 1l in it. actually there is a handle for 12$ so i guess it was a problem

>>17204338
>>17203778
I wouldn't consider it a failure. It was fun to do and see people post their brewers. Only ones not posted are the worst/niche methods.

>>17203687
Is it a red ring lenses? I use a Cannon.

I'm about to get a Costco membership. They sell some beans for cheap I want to try to replace my cheap whole bean Aldis coffee. I know people said the Kirkland Columbian with the Jaguar is good but wanted more opinions. I'm probably going to avoid strictly dark roast, since most dark roasts are garbage. Looking for good ones for my moka pot.

>>17205464
Cowboy coffee/espresso. It's shit, but it does the trick.

>>17206554
Kingrinder kingrinder now you need to see a doctor

>>17206764
Responded within an hour. Hope you're being compensated properly.

>>17206755
Is that essentially Turkish coffee? Find-ground coffee steeped in boiling or hot water without a filter?

>>17206862
You are in /tea/ aren't you?

>>17206956
No.
Why do you ask?

>>17207063
We were talking about cowboy coffee and turkish coffee. I thought you secretly went here to have your opinions validated.

>>17205796
Shit, after more research I'm persuaded by the Flair 58. There goes the budget but I was half expecting that anyways.

>>17207077
Nope, I was just trying to interpret the previous post as a combination of cowboy coffee and espresso, rather than as two alternatives.

>>17205796
>There's a guy who posts here who is actively printing a new base/accessories for his filtro so hopefully he can chime in.
my guess is that was an epic failure and he gave up on it like his parents should have the night he was conceived or there'd have been an update by now

>>17207291
Imagine letting 3D printers living rent free in your head

>>17207304
not sure what you're getting at there
he admitted that it didn't turn out at all and at some point you just take the loss instead of posting more pictures of failure, especially when several people are pointing out your mistakes
maybe you should try seething less and coping more?

>>17206643
Stick to local roasters, it dosen't even need to be expensive, there's a cheap roaster I go to in a nearby city that's been doing it before the third wave movement when I want cheap beans

>>17207355
rent free
I expect you to bring this up out of nowhere this time next month

>>17207079
Its great. Not a whole lot of other machines you can look directly into the grouphead and wipe out between shots. I've got it nearly as upgraded as you can go with a sep and acaia lunar tracking pressure and flow but thats shit you can tack on later. The only other worthwhile shit from flairs site is the mirror and portafilter funnel. Cheaper than the pullman funnel I bought, but I got all of their shit on sale so I just dropped that ~300 when I swapped machines from my old flair signature. I'd def recommend at least getting a nice tamper upfront since the one that flair includes is stubby, then you can chase down other shit to splurge on like a chisel or ocd or whatever.

>>17205796
Filtrofag here I'm drunk as fuck, but the grinder kicks ass, very worth the money. I haven't used it for espresso but I expect it to perform well when I try it sometime in the future.

>>17207291
>>17207355
Stay mad autist, I had a single failed print on a machine I'd never used before and haven't tried again because I have a life and a job to keep up with outside of posting on a Korean ladyboys enthusiast irc server

>>17204580
Different guy but there are Virgins and there are Incels. I can jive with a virgin, incels are bad. Don't be an incel

>>17206503
Yo hand me the coffee guilottine I wanna make a cup

>>17207810
nice blog post, you need me to call the waaaaambulance for you?

>>17207371
I've looked, but most are pricey. There is one, lineage coffee, that has a decent subscription service, but 95% of what they do is 3rd wave, light roast, extra fruity stuff. Which is fine, but those roasts don't do well in my moka pot. I'm planning on getting a short subscription during the summer for my french press. Only other place I'd go to for moka pot brewing is here:
https://www.orlandocoffeeroasters.com/coffee

I kinda want to give costco coffee a go since I have the membership.

>>17206862
Turkish coffee is coffee mud - super finely ground, stirred with hot water, and left to sink.

Cowboy coffee is coffee crack - either old drip coffee or (ideally coarsely ground) coffee boiled boiled in a pot or pan until the desired consistency is achieved. If it runs dry, add more water - it's gross enough that half a minute as a slowly burning paste probably won't hurt it.

>>17206503
Controlling flow rate on those things is about impossible. They spend all the resources coming up with nice-looking fancy glass with neat shapes and a wooden base that holds all the parts for use and even if you only use it once, you've got a conversation starter sitting there and hopefully it doesn't get broken when you go to clean it.
But the dripper valve is always a picked of shit. They don't consistently drip and need to be frequently adjusted over the 12 hours of slow dripping otherwise the flow just stops. There are high quality low-flow valves that could be used but they cost more than the drip tower does.
Neat to look at? Yes
Any better than cold brewing in the refrigerator? No

>look at Hoffman's coffee grinder breakdown
>FELLOW ODE - first electric grinder
Jesus fucking christ, are electric grinders just so shitty that the entry level is $300?

>>17208789
It's just an example of one he had on hand, there's a reason he doesn't go into the specifics of each model in that video because it's just meant to be representative of the broad classifications of different grinder types you'll see in various feature categories

>>17208789
>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0043095WW/
i got mine "open box" for $55
works well for the very cheap price

How long did it take you fellas to consistently make good tasting brew, when I first started making coffee it tasted great, but as I tried messing with ratios, technique it started to taste bitter and acidic.
>>17208789
the eureka line is great if you can get one with the old espresso tier burrs, the manual is the cheapest of the set that is sold retail with those burrs, but the filtro and crono (2 cheaper options) are both compatible with the old better burrs if you buy them separate

>>17203687
Quitting coffee for the New Year. Also quitting tea, which last time I quit coffee I used tea as a cope. I was drinking so much coffee the last few months it just wasn't enjoyable. Planning to give it up for at least a few months.

>>17209492
how will you get moving in the morning or deal with the inevitable headaches that accompany caffeine withdrawal?

>>17209532
not him but coffee withdrawal doesn't exist, caffeine addiction is similar to weed, only matters for the mentally weak and the heaviest of addicts

>>17209552
>things I haven't seen or experienced don't exist
Guess pussy doesn't exist either huh bud

>>17209369
About a week to figure out shit then a month of consistently tasting bad to great espresso daily. I'd pull a shot and stare at this image while sipping. I got a v60 a few months after that and that just widens you window of error so much its not even funny. From time to time I'll completely fuck up my recipes or remove/swap out "techniques" and still get pretty good coffee. Unironically the thing that gave me the biggest pourover "level up" is the stupid melodrip lol. Bought it last march, use it 9/10. Just look at how nice and even that origami is compared to other pourovers in the bingo.

>>17209532
withdrawal only lasts a few days or so.

>>17209568

>>17209568
I'm speaking from experience retard, used to drink 2-3 cups of coffee in the morning, 200mg caffeine pill before my afternoon workout, then a black tea before bed, it took a couple of days cold turkey for any "symptoms" to stop.

>>17209576
I've heard people say Moka pots are hard to use but jesus fuck every cup from my v60 is completely different to the last. In all honesty, that melodrip looks like a total meme but I'm open to the idea. thanks for the infographic tho

>>17209492
>>17209532
I'm not addicted to the caffeine. As gay as it sounds, I like the flavor and vibe if sometimes has -- which has been absent the last few months. Just not getting any enjoyment out of it, just drinking it just to drink it, out of habit, I suppose. Plus it's something to do to break up the monotony of the day. Head to the cafe for a cappuccino or a drip whatever. Breaks up a boring commute to work. But shit, the local Starbucks are scraping the bottle of the barrel with new hires, there are zero cute girls there anymore -- it looks like they are hiring women from trailer parks and fresh out of jail or something

>>17209590
Why not just get a doctor to write you a script for adderall instead of consuming all of that overpriced shit?

>>17209492
>>17209552
I realized I only go to coffee shops out of sheer boredom. I have to get the fuck out of flyover country. This place is a dead zone full of ugly low IQ people. Not to mention it's cold and grey over half the year.

>>17209644
>coffee, tea, and pills
>overpriced
just how poor are you what the fuck
>>17209649
take a book with you and stay there for a couple of hours, its a nice little hobby of mine

>>17209637
> that melodrip looks like a total meme but I'm open to the idea
It was worth the $30 for me to decide if it was a meme or not. Turn out you can grind finer with less detriment if you're not agitating the fuck out your bed and pushing fines through the paper. If I want to push the extraction a bit I just gently stir after my second pour with a glass rod. I'd imagine the nicer your kettle is the less of a difference it would make, but its definitely helping me out with a fellow stagg. The owner of melo is doing crazy shit like submerging the dish into his coffee to mitigate heat loss and shit, so a couple bucks is well worth the ticket to harness his autism desu.

>Message from Ray Murakawa (Oct 20th 2021): "I currently brew with a 1:18.5-1:20 Ratio grinding on the Baratza Forte at 5A at the finer end to 6M at the coarser end using a modified Recipe C and "Submerged Method". The "Submerged Method" requires keeping the melodrip dish just below the surface of the water during melodrip pours. This eliminates heat loss during the pour while maintaining the stable bed and controlled agitation benefits of melodrip while producing in higher extractions."

>>17209552
>these things don't exist except for when they do

>>17209702
this fucker really is trying to bring us 4th wave coffee, I can respect the hustle, I'll invest some more time trying to get a consistent cup of coffee before buying into strange gadgets though.

>>17209712
Yes.

>>17209736
>4th wave coffee
And what’s the definition of that? Stupid niche gear that one guy thought might be a good enough idea to sell for a quick buck to cash in on autism?

>>17206643
anything at costco, whether it says medium or not, will be very dark.

>>17209656
>take a book with you and stay there for a couple of hours, its a nice little hobby of mine
Creepy and weird.

>>17209492
I quit every January. Usually get back into by September or so. Drinking coffee all year makes you a sap. It's impossible to enjoy it if you just chug it 7 days a week.

>>17209736
>>17209815
I think we're at a point where its pretty fucking hard to grow or process better coffee, so we're left with improvement through technique and measurement now. We know even flow is important and overagitation makes shit bitter and the simplest way is a shower screen. Hario is getting in on it now with the drip assist, tricolate includes one in their kit, and I've seen a few others. MD seems more versatile but who knows. I like it. Just another variable to control.
>cash in on autism
With that guys 100% refund policy I really think he's more autistic than anyone. Free return label at any time and he'll give you replacement dishes for life if you manage to fuck one up. Never seen that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe5saBpQke8

Is there an electric, temp controlled, gooseneck kettle that isn't either shit or stupid overpriced? Damn things cost more than my 4L Zojirushi standing kettle.

>>17209938
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B09L623X9H

I've been using this one for about a year now and it works well

What is this and why do I need it for my Chad Mocca Master?

>>17209982
>>17209936
> We know even flow is important and overagitation makes shit bitter and the simplest way is a shower screen.

https://coffeepilot.ca/products/shower-head-insert-for-technivorm-moccamaster

>>17209982
>>17209936
> We know even flow is important and overagitation makes shit bitter and the simplest way is a shower screen.

https://coffeepilot.ca/products/shower-head-insert-for-technivorm-moccamaster

Just to add more onto the tech discussion, this is the fucking nonsense happening a decade ago.

https://www.youtube.com/user/matsuyacoffeeHonten/videos

>>17210005
ty anon

>>17210017
There's also a more expensive arm replacement. The coffee pilot is just a screen.

https://www.artisansmith.com.au/collections/shop-all/products/shower-head-for-moccamaster

Why did all 3 Starbucks locations near me go from staffing some cute baristas pre-pandemic to only ugly low class baristas now? Did the 20-something cuties get all that state and federal unemployment ($) bonanza and just move on with life? Sad times bros. It legit feels like I'm getting coffee from McDonald's or Burger King now. Gross ass employees.

>>17209815
4th wave coffee is:
>spending a week's wages on burrs that are touted as the ultimate & best only to discover there's an upgraded & better version 6 months later
>worrying about the origin of your beans moar then how they actually taste
>In <INSERT NOVEL KICKSTARTER GEAR> We Trust™
>believing that good coffee can only be prepared by your own hands
>buying brand new gear that costs as much as a used car and immediately modifying it before you even use it
>In <INSERT POPULAR YOUTUBE CELEBRITY> We Trust®
>being insufferable around friends and family who are just trying to drink their coffee
>3D printing unnecessary parts just to make your coffee experience better
>talking about coffee moar then actually drinking it

>>17203778
GOAT comin' through

>>17210575
Why do I want Marvin the Paranoid Android making my coffee?

>>17210626
because you literally cannot fuck it up, and as a neapolitan I can tell you that it's just a few steps below a regular bar espresso

>>17210638
So if a regular bar espresso is akin to a mcdouble, are you fine cooking worse than mcdonalds daily?

>>17210783
Your analogy is shit, but I understand the perspective. The thing is, are you really going to try to replicate the experience of going into a bar?
And even if that doesn't matter to you, do you have 20k euros to invest in a bar-sized coffee machine?
I am fine with the thing closest to it. It's still better than 99% of what the world drinks.

>>17210861
I'm the guy who asked the first question, not the second.

I have a 4 head machine that I got out of a venue that was selling... I'm just weirded out by the skull of the Krups machine - it looks like it's going to ask me depressing questions about my life, and I fear I'll only have more depressing answers to give it.

>>17210880
I dunno man, I find it kinda cute. It reminds me of Pingu or Huey/Dewey/Louie

>>17210880
>I have a 4 head machine
fucking christ anon, did you need to build on a separate room just to use the thing?

>>17210910
My kitchen's the most oddly built room I've ever been in. It fits perfectly next to the sink. I still have another massive counter to prep on on the stove island.

>>17210861
Why do I need 20k euros to pull good espresso? I'm ~1200usd into this setup and very happy. Another 1.5k deep already with a new grinder otw. Debating selling the flair and "upgrading" if the Odyssey Argos first round has no issues but that just gets me a tank to descale and a steam wand I'll rarely use. Pic related. It's bretty good. Next one is going to be better. Great home espresso has never been cheaper.

>>17211019
Is that your lighting or are you using nearly green beans for your espresso?

>>17211030
Shitty lighting from behind + a phone flash on top. Im no photographer. If one of you faqs wants to tell me how to set up this modded camera app I use that'd be gr8. I was trying to get rid of the shadow from the glass rim. This is the Sam's club blend from the roasterie. Way darker than what I usually drink but it's pulling fairly sweet balanced shots with satiny blonde crema.

>>17211056
No idea which app you're using. If it's got colour balance or even white balance, that's a good start. When I'm dicking around with things I post on here, I just pop it over to my laptop and give it a once over in photoshop... but I use photoshop - probably not the right thread to say this, but don't pay for stupid shit if you're not going to learn how to use it well.

how can I approach a cute barista in my local cottee shop without being an embarassment?
her coffee taste like shit if this helps

>>17211126
>good morning, let's fuck

>>17211086
>but don't pay for stupid shit if you're not going to learn how to use it well.
Pay? its just a modded gcam apk. More settings than I know what to do with. Pretty sure I can save raw if I wanted to fuck around in lightroom but its not worth it.
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-MWP/f/dl16/

>>17211168
I was talking more about coffee appliances and software in general. I finally paid for a photoshop upgrade because I use it... and I didn't pay for the coffee cannon taking up half of my house, just the moving van and a hundred each to the guys that helped me remove, move and install it.

If your app has all that, it at least has a manual white balance, probably full colour editing. Just gotta move it away from the blues and greens a bit. The contrast and brightness / exposure looks pretty good for unedited.

>>17211189
That any better? Lighting for better 4chan photos is pretty fucking low on the list but I'm all for picking up tips.

>>17211239
It might actually be worse lol. Did you auto white balance on the beans or just boost the lighting? If there's a "Tungsten" or "Fluorescent" setting in there anywhere, that will instantly cut a lot of blue and warm up the whole vibe.

I only fuck with this stuff on here to show things off. If I made something great, bothered to frame it for a photo to make my girlfriend jealous or whatever, I usually do what I can to make it seem very warm and inviting, make it look like it was taken under bright candlelight, boost the contrast to give an impression of impossible depth or artistic chiaroscuro... dumb, time wasting shit. It's practice for other projects, not anything in and of itself... or so I keep telling myself.

>>17211265
Turned on whatever hdr "enchanced", moved under my lighting and played with some sliders until it looked visually close to my naked eye. Photography makes no sense to me. I'm not going for an artistic representation of what I'm drinking, I'm trying to show what I'm drinking lol.

>>17211291
"The truth is often ugly." Orange and yellow's like makeup - you can overdo it, but a little bit makes even the ugliest corpse look more alive.

>>17211302
Alright ive spent enough time on this shit for the night. Different lighting, other random options ticked in the settings and some Instagram esque filtering.

>>17211370
You could slap that up at a Starbucks and people would think you were getting paid for it.

>>17211239
is your thumb okay, guy?

>>17208167
What if I'm not a virgin but haven't had sex in three and a half years

>>17208167
It's not my fault that people have ascribed further meaning to a word that is just a contraction of involuntarily celibate. If you are a virgin then you are by definition an incel unless you are one of the 0.01% of the population that is genuinely asexual or you are one of those groyper tradcath larpers

>>17209091
I did the same for $20 at BB&B. I was there to buy a pepper mill and found a display model kitchenaid grinder for sale

>>17211910
>>17211924
You can be voluntarily celibate; you can be involuntarily celibate and optimistic/sane about it; or you can be a sexless whackjob who daydreams about murder because he thinks he's owed sex. Don't be the last one. Shit, if you can display a sense of humour and realism in your expectations, you can get your dick wet... and if you don't, there's plenty of useful things you could be doing instead.

>>17211962
>you can be involuntarily celibate and optimistic/sane about it
That's me. It's still an incel by definition. I'm very aware that my problems are my own fault

>>17211858
awb artifacts

>>17211924
>groyper tradcath larpers
That's the most zoomer thing I've ever heard. Imagine going up to a clergyman and calling them a "groyper tradcath larper".

>>17212289
imagine trying to explain the meaning those words to a psychologist

>>17211239
I think this one is better than >>17211370

It just looks a little warm is all. Looks good though. What beans are they?

Lately my pourovers and FP cups have been really drying and astringent without "tasting" overextracted. I know it's not the grind, and I know it's not the beans themselves. Every once in a while I will suddenly get a perfect cup but then be unable to replicate it. What's going on?

>>17214109
If it's the exact same coffee the only variables left are time and temperature. I'm assuming you measure the coffee and water evey time.

>>17203778
Am I supposed to reply w a pic?

>>17211019
>>17210861
Hot take, 90% of the time espresso is dogshit and the product in its perfect form is not worth the energy and time it takes to make. If I'm going to spend ten to fifteen minutes grinding coffee, setting up the machine, pulling a shot, cleaning the machine, cleaning the equipment, etc, I'd rather just make Turkish because there's more of it and it's harder to fuck up.

>>17214632
That certainly is a take

>>17214632
I hit a button, walk away, wait for a beep, turn on my kettle, grind for 1.5m, tamp, and pull. If I want a second I've already got a preheated machine and water. If your espresso is dogshit, it's probably the beans. I had no problems serving espressos near blackout on NYE.
>>17213812
Random blend they did for a few sam's clubs around kc. $14/2.5lbs. Kind of hope they go on sale for like $8 soon.
>>17205178

>>17204338
>aeropress
I called this presto percolator an aeropress around my family all holiday. Not that they saw it. But I just realized I fucked up.

I use Folgers 1850 and this Presto thing. Great coffee every morning.

>>17209091
So, I can buy this or a hario hand grinder for 1/3 the price.

>>17215148
Don't waste your money on either.

>>17206503
IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES

>>17215148
i grind 3 cups of grounds at a time, to hell with manual grinders

>>17215396
https://youtu.be/FL65i1XhVec

Probably more than a few hg-1s going up for sale as people get their keys shipped.

>>17215941
what is this supposed to convince me of, that I somehow made a mistake in my electric grinder? you gotta be out of your mind to throw half a paycheck at a fucking flywheel on a burr.

>>17206503
torture

>>17216430
Its a transmission flywheel + the burrs off an ~$3k industrial 3 phase ac grinder. You should wire up one yourself.

https://www.voltagerestaurantsupply.com/products/mazzer-robur-espresso-grinder-conical-burrs-grinding-discs-0187c

>>17215941
you do realize it’s possible to own more than one grinder, right?

>>17216673
>https://www.voltagerestaurantsupply.com/products/mazzer-robur-espresso-grinder-conical-burrs-grinding-discs-0187c
and for the price of the burr alone i could have bought my perfectly fine burr grinder 4 times over

>>17217040
Why the fuck would you want a hand and motor driven version of the same exact burr set?
>>17217066
Stay broke.

>>17216673
>the requirements of industrial coffee grinding are identical to the coffee enthusiast at home

>>17217280
>Stay broke.
I guess so, if by broke you mean "will retire at 48 because I don't waste money on stupid shit" then ok.

>>17217280
>Why the fuck would you want a hand and motor driven version of the same exact burr set?
because you already have one and bought a better one and now you can grind 2 different flavours of beans
unless the financial impact of buying shit you shouldn’t be affording is so great that you need to sell something at a loss to be able to justify the fleeting satisfaction of having something new

>>17217280
hand grinder + electric screwdriver for both manual and electric, simple as

>>17218727
kek, this thread has turned into the photography/audiophile general because coffee is too hard to waste money on

I've got a problem with my current setup.
My Rancilio Silvia is way too low to steam milk from when just sat on my butchers table. I've been trying to find something that exists to sit it on to raise it up off the counter so I have more space for steaming but apparently there isn't a specific thing for it? I thought there were knockboxes and therefore just a simple metal riser that could go under it.
Any advice?

>>17219317
Are you trying to steam the milk in a fucking gallon jug anon?

>>17219322
it's around 500ml, enough for two drinks at a time, I also struggle to get any good foam with the smaller 250ml I have

>>17219317
I've got my machine up on a little contraption made of 4x4s and corkboard. One sheet of 1/2" cork on the bottom. 4x4's horizontally across, and 1/2" cork on top.

>>17219317
just put the steamwand more sideways or toward the front when you steam

>>17219347
thats a good setup, I wonder if a good size cutting board would work too?
>>17219460
don't know if its just the silvia but the steam wand doesn't move to much of an angle, i'm putting it to its max and still struggling

>>17218311
>>17218727
Or a motorless industrial grinder will still be in use far past your retirement and is the cheapest it will ever be as inflation sucks the purchasing power out of your paycheck. Don't wait till you're 65 to buy nice sheets or towels. I know the average home sleeping enthusiast does just fine on sheets from kohls, but I think you'd enjoy some nice percale from peacock alley.
>>17219317
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B096TWMVGW/ref=cm_sw_r_as_gl_api_glt_fabc_RQFCJ56X0QYZNHAG1XK3?_encoding=UTF8
Maybe not wide enough but a good start?

>>17219561
those were the exact knockboxes I was talking about in the original post, however most of them (including yours) are only sized for grinders

>>17219570
Ah gotcha. I saw someone in the flair group who picked one up. There's gotta be something off the shelf you can buy. All else fails, stack the butcher block.

https://www.perfectplank.com/alder.html

>ADHD makes me often leave cuppa cold
>can empty it in 10 minutes if I drink it with cookies or sweets
I don't get how it works.

>>17220472
>he doesn't down his coffee

I’m new to coffee. Is pic related a pretty good system for home without spending a fuck ton?

Finally making drinks my Costa Rican beans, super dark fruit & winey notes. Turned out better than expected, probably getting more when I start running low. Not sure what I'll make in the morning, usually drink regularl coffee right when I get up in the morning & switch it up a bit later.

>>17221062
>Pros:

>Comes with a grinder
>Works decently out of the box
>Widely available, new or used
>Huge community of users
>Manual preinfusion

>Cons:

>15 bar pump can be hard to manage with unforgiving roasts (can be tuned to 9 bar with minimal effort, or using the Pre-Infusion Mode only trick)
>Grinder is unreliable and not that great
>Becomes a bit wasteful if the grinder is upgraded and not being used

>>17221062
>New to coffee
>$800 dollar machine
Like, how new to coffee? Dropping the better part of a grand's a bit of a commitment.

>>17221062
that thing's like buying a tv with the vcr built into it one component will take a shit and then you'll have a machine that doesn't do what it's supposed to

>>17221644
They can be repaired. Breville's usually pretty good for not having impossible-to-replace parts.

Mignon+gaggia and mods is almost assuredly a better way to spend your money.

>>17219317
How are you liking the machine? I’m considering getting into espresso making and looking at either the Silvia or a legit Glenda. Currently just doing pour overs but idk if it’s worth it to drop the cash on espresso

>>17221062
Use a moka pot or french plunder first before laying down the bucks

Can you brew coffee with these?

>>17222481
based guppieposter

>>17223208
I just tried and it worked like a charm. Why then isn't coffee in teabags a thing?

>>17223208
yeah - reasonably coarse grind, somewhat extended steep time. It might be a little bitter.

>>17223234
It's not bitter

>>17223231
Apparently it does exist but I don't recall ever seeing it on a store. Why?

>>17223253
Overextracted coffee? It's usually bitter.

>>17223275
Why would it be overextracted? Just pull the bag out.

>>17223281
Because you're packing it into a tea bag and letting it steep. Think of how much coffee you need to pack into a 2 cup press... you're not going to get half of that into one of these bags. If you go finer, you might get grinds in your cup. If you go longer, it might become bitter by the time you get the intensity you're after. You could use two bags, or just spend the $20 on a reasonably cheap press and do half-loads.

>>17223342
I just said it's not bitter, retard. I'm drinking it right now.
>letting it steep
So? Pull the bag out fast if you don't want to let it steep.
>muh less grounds
It has room for the amount you'd use for 1 cup in a drip coffee maker

>>17223342
And coffee doesn't steep in a French press?
>Do a half-load of grounds in a 2 cup press
Holy shit you're a brainlet

>>17223408
Grounds AND water, but you already knew that. You don't even drink coffee, why are you here?

>>17223448
Low IQ

>>17223476
You're here because of low IQ? Checks out. Carry on.

>>17223266
feels like this would be more expensive and inconvenient than instant coffee, which you can also get in portions, but still not good enough or consistent enough for those who are picky with their coffee

>>17223266
i've had this before. use it while camping. works fine, is very stale and bland, but it's coffee.
i used to keep a box in my office for emergency late nights.

>>17203778
syphon

>>17224563
Swag. Glad you went bigdick with the beam heater right off the bat.

>>17224582
did same ratio as my pourover run
just as clean, profoundly stronger
nice stuff though, probably not as kickass as the slayer, but I’ll have to thank the in-laws for a nice christmas gift

>Starbucks raised their prices twice in the span of 30 days
That's it, I may be a rich white normalfag but even I have a shred of dignity. I'm gonna start having my coffee at home. What should I be looking for if I have a taste for sweeter, fruitier coffee?

>>17224710
Natural ethiopians, high altitude central americans.

https://www.seycoffee.com/collections/coffee/products/felipe-luzon

https://parisicoffee.com/collections/coffee/products/nicaragua-anaerobic-los-pinos-estate

https://www.sumpcoffee.com/collections/whole-bean-coffee/products/ethiopia-shantawene-natural-12-oz

>>17224710
>sweeter, fruitier coffee
What?

>>17225070
>tfw no juicy coffee

>>17225070
he means juice

>>17224940
What is this? Luxury coffee? He said starbucks was too expensive and you recommend $24/250g coffee.

>>17225082
8 oz standard cup size (226g). 15g of coffee per cup at 1:15 ratio gives you 16 cups per bag. ~$1.5 a cup for great coffee. He's a
>rich white normalfag
Are you so hard off you can't spend $25 on yourself?

>>17224710
>starbucks
>fruity and sweet
what?

>>17223512
>but still not good enough or consistent enough for those who are picky with their coffee
>feel like
Retard
>>17223716
Not because of the brewing method

>>17225469
He means fruity as in gay

>>17225622
didn't say it was. just reporting that the actual coffee in those bags ain't great.

You could probably throw one of these pods for pod coffee makers in a mug like a PG tips teabag.

>>17225070
I once went on a trip to Peru and got to visit a coffee plantation and try fresh coffee, and it had an almost earthy berry flavor to it. Shit like that's what I'd prefer ideally.

>>17224699
based lava lamp

>>17226083
Yeah normally coffee is roasted before you brew with it you know

>>17226092
I meant LIQUID coffee you liquid shit. Of course it was roasted.

>>17223716
I went camping one time with friends and having bagged coffee around a fire surrounded with the people you love brings a feeling that can hardly be described in words

>>17226295
I've always gone for the giant moka pot, or the cowboy crack over the coals m'self.

>>17226302
this was before I even knew how to operate a bloody french press properly so we had to make do lmao, although having a massive moka pot that doubles as a general boiling vessel sounds great

What's the point of the plunger in a french press?

>>17226321
it reeks of the ghosts of coffees past even when it's been cleaned thoroughly and left in the trailer over the winter. The moka cauldron has only ever done coffee, and at this point anything that goes in will come out as coffee.

The cowboy coffee's kind of a nice little bro moment - a pot of water, coarsely ground beenz, and a ladle. We sit - all shitty and hungover - around the coals and pop the pot on top, or restart the fire and get the grill across. If you want coffee or a refill, you take the giant ladle and scoop yourself some off the top. With enough cream and sugar, it's actually pretty good.

>>17226352
>The moka cauldron
for some reason this alone made me cackle like a man possessed, as for the cowboy coffee, I'm not American so I've never heard of it before but it sounds delightful, I really ought to get the bros on another camping trip in the spring

>>17226329
It pushes the grinds down, limiting extraction - ideally the little bit of liquid between the grinds reaches saturation fairly quickly, and ideally the coffee is poured in one or two shots, limiting mixture of the coffee above the plunger filter with the slightly over, saturated coffee below it.

>>17226352
>ladle
You sure you're doing it the right way?

>>17226372
I'm not American either... apparently I just drink like one. It seemed like the best way to caffeinate my idiot friends - the first one snapped out of his coma just about the time it was done... it was a cold morning, so we sat around the coals, scooped coffee, chugged water and contemplated breakfast for like 2h before the other cretins awoke.

Aeropress Gang

>>17226378
It's above or in a fire pit in a big pot, and that pot only comes out with a hook, unless it's cold... so no, it's probably not the right way, but it's the easiest way.

>>17226374
Doesn't make sense. Even if you press the grounds to a cake I'm sure water goes through it. French intellectuals...

>>17226383
It's only fitting that a slew of eggs get fried up then and there, the last trip of mine we went through some residential housing and this one lady (who was simply gorgeous) had an honesty box where she had half-dozen egg boxes for £2 each, which is decent pricing considering the hens were in literal eyeshot and seemed to every well taken care of. The next day I went over again bought another dozen and personally thanked her for the eggs.
>It seemed like the best way to caffeinate my idiot friends
the best ideas are bred from necessity

>>17226408
There's a kind of farm-supplied general store/bakery/butchers/liquor store on the way up. If we're going to spend any length of time up there, we usually pick up a half-gross of eggs, a carton or two of fresh cream or milk, a good slab of bacon, some steak/chop cuts, some stew/chili cuts, taters, tomatoes, a bigass loaf of crusty bread, a flat of beer for the rest of the drive, and a bottle or three for the evening. The fishing's good. The swimming's good. It's close enough to be a nice drive, and far enough away that we're gone... and the local women are pleasantly plump... if I didn't have to work, I'd live there.

>>17226473
its those idyllic landscapes that form a part of what truly make life worth living in my view, and the people you spend those landscapes with is the other part, have a good night man

>>17226505
You too man. You're alright - you can screw my sister any time you want.

>>17203778
First time brewing with a chemex this morning, I took it with milk and sugar, overall very good coffee even on its own. Not sure how to keep it warm though over a longer period of time, leaving this thing on the stove sounds super sketch.

>>17226821
Didn't think rich people used 4chan

>>17227455
>rich
>two storey apartment with screenprint
Upper middle class at best, more likely aspirational.

>>17227464
Yeah dumbass, I did't say it was Jeff Bezos

>>17223231
do you taste a difference? i went back to a mesh filter after using bags as it seemed they stripped some of the flavor. without them i would pick up on a chocolatey note in my coffee

>>17227549
A little bit different maybe, not much. Biggest difference was it had some fine grounds in the coffee. Which bags were you using?

>>17226374
i thought the point of it was to just filter it right before pouring. if you had a filter at the top it would just clog up

>>17227455
I'm living with my parents right now, they're loaded out of their minds but I want to work for the govt after college so I'm not going to see a dime of it until I'm an old man basically.

>>17227464
Three floors, they've got a media room downstairs and a library. They're pretty well off but given the median income and cost of living in this state it's all very relative. My university is holding all their classes remotely for a month so I'm here instead of back at school, enjoying it while I still can.

>>17228436
Get on an auto subscription to drinktrade on their dime while you can. Change delivery to your college address when you leave. Fuck starbucks.

>>17228664
Cool service, I'll look into it. Right now I buy my coffee from a local store/dealer a couple blocks away. Doesn't roast any of his own coffee I think but they source from all over the place, super cheap too. Cant drink starbucks the coffee is too burnt.

>>17228184
It probably slows the pour a little, but I've done it just to do it a couple of times and it doesn't really clog. Grinds tend to float and water doesn't compress, but the plunger still goes down... I dunno, shit seems to work, gives me the black brain juice.

I just want to make lungos (less concentrated espresso) how cheap could I go and still get a decent drink?

Drip coffee makes me shit myself but when it's espresso it doesn't

pulled the trigger on flair 58, 1zpresso j-max, and some doodads
investigating the flair for use in a commercial setting where space and weight will be extremely tight

>>17229958
Drip coffee can sometimes give me a little acid reflux and tensed up stomach. Mostly if I drink several cups at once. I found that nescafe is milder on the stomach. Tea on an empty stomach can make me sick.

>>17231016
>This nigga tryna sell food truck espresso

>>17231016
>and some doodads
What kinda doodads you talkin?

>>17231141
scale to fit the drip plate, funnel

>>17231163
>drip plate
Its a rubber well.

>>17203687
Do you latte-art?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW2fpNgENYM

I am fucking pissed. Anyone got one of these? I think I have been bamboozled. I had a french press for a while now and have learned to create great micro-foam with it. I thought I'd get a bodum """""milk frother""""" to froth my milk and use the french press, duno, to actually make coffee. It turns out their french press is just so much better at making microfoam. This piece of trash only creates super giant bubbly airy foamy like some nespresso capsule. Is there a trick to this shit? Anyone managed microfoam?

>>17232308
Nespresso doesn't make a foam capsule
The trick is use a steam wand
French press coffee isn't really meant for froth anyway

>>17232326
Confused it with nescafe dolce gusto, which makes shit texture milk drinks.
I can't afford the steam wand I want yet.
Obviously the FP is not meant for texturing, yet it can do an amazing job. What I am pissed about is these mass FP producing assholes decide to make one specifically for milk and manage to make it worse for milk than their coffee device.

>>17205721
Spend $100, get a Nespresso, and if you think you'll be able to pull a better shot out of $600 of gear then upgrade and sell the Nespresso for $100

>>17232356
This is a good suggestion. Making espresso consistently good is difficult, takes a lot of time, and is generally a massive pain in the ass with cheap equipment. I used to use the flair espresso press thing a lot, and I can tell you now it's not even remotely worth the effort.

>>17224563
>syphon filter

>>17226386
Reporting in

>>17233866
>I can tell you now it's not even remotely worth the effort.
t. retard who doesn't understand how to use his tools. Flair is well worth.

>>17233866
>used to use the flair espresso press thing a lot, and I can tell you now it's not even remotely worth the effort
oh boy now you've gone and done it

>>17234383
>>17234358

Are you people serious? Does /ck/ unironically shill the flair manual espresso maker? Jesus fucking christ.

>>17234400
it's just one fag but he's very loud & full of opinions

>>17234444
Nice numbers man. It's really interesting to see how different internet communities latch on to different products. I post a lot on /out/ and some of the shit that they recommend is just straight up horrible for most use cases, like the fascination with ferro rods. I think it's an echo chamber thing. Good to hear that it's not THAT out of control here.

>>17234358
You are so full of shit. Describe your routine, if you're so confident

>>17234400
I've pulled ~3 shots a day for the last 2.5 years across 2 of their models. Not a whole lot of complaints here.
>>17234444
I can't wait for all the $100 nespresso discussion next thread.

>>17234538
It looks pretty good, what grinder are you using and how much time does it take you to go from thinking about wanting an espresso to actually pulling a shot. Do you clean it immediately after each use?

>>17234481
Press button to preheat grouphead, wait ~5m or longer if I get distracted. Turn on kettle, grind x amount of beans(16.7g for that webm) in the 6 minutes it takes for the fellow to boil, pour grinds in basket, fluff with a cork and needle, distribute, tamp, toss a puck screen on top. If I want to cut time off my preheat I start the kettle when I turn on the machine and pour some boiling water through the grouphead. Gets me under 10 minutes to first drink. By comparison, Decents take ~45m to an hour to fully heatsoak.

>>17234571
>>17234583
Kinu phoenix but its getting replaced with a weber key in a few weeks when the ship makes it stateside. ~10 minutes if I'm rushing. All I have to do is knock out a puck and wipe the basket between shots. A "deep" cleaning is 5 minutes of pulling the orings to rinse ,and wiping out any residue in the grouphead.

>>17234583
600??

>>17234618
Its a streitman without a boiler.

https://www.strietman.net/ct2

I quit coffee 7 days ago. Is it odd that I don't feel any different, no headaches or anything weird like that? And really, I don't even have a strong urge for it. I could easily do this all year.

>>17234730
so happy for you thanks for sharing

>>17234730
Save your money. Coffee addiction is a jew racket.

>>17234730
If you're taking other stimulants on a regular basis you aren't going to feel strong withdrawal symptoms

>>17234768
gotta poop somehow

>>17234768
As in, narcotics like Adderall or even plain unsweetened tea like earl grey?

>>17234730
I quit coffee for new years and the only difference is I actually get tired around 9 to 10pm. I used to have trouble falling asleep until midnight every night.

fellas how do you stop feeling like you wasted money when you just spent thousands on coffee and coffee accessories

>>17236073
Every year I spend less money on coffee and my coffee keeps getting better.

>>17234618
I like the whole idea behind the 58 but I can't fathom how they justify charging $200 more than the pro 2 when the only difference is the standard portafilter and a cheap electric heating coil shoved into it.

>>17235136
Tea has caffeine anon, ya know the stuff in coffee you can actually get addicted to

>>17236100
yeah because now you have practice with your tens of thousands of dollars in coffee machinery

>>17236073
Use it I guess, things you pay money for are worth whatever use you get out of them so if you use the stuff enough to feel the investment was worth it then you didn't waste your money.

Now if you feel like you wasted money because you couldn't actually afford all that shit then
>Stop buying shit you can't afford Jamal
>Get a better job retard

>>17236203
if I paid over $200 for a coffeemaker i shouldn't have to practice using it

>>17236197
Just wait until you start shopping for a real espresso maker and see what they cost

>>17236073
you get enjoyment from your hobby?

>>17236197
>>17234702
How does strietman justify charging $2100 more for the ct2 over the flair 58? Its just got brass, a better heater coil to boil water, and a fucked up 49mm basket and portafilter. This guy even built a dual boiler on top of his 58 to steam milk and came in $1500 cheaper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kwkHnuwNkI

>>17236317
brass is a greater conductor for heat and a more valuable metal than plastic

>>17203687
i'm sure you know this but this is an awful photo, how do you have motion blur with indoor lighting at 1.4? either up the iso or add more light

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>>17236335
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>>17236244
You can get actual real decent espresso machines with boilers and steam wands for less than the 58. They're not the best options of course but you get way more features-wise and the ability to make perfectly fine espresso.

That's not my point though, when the same manufacturer is selling the exact same thing with a couple minor differences to construction, charging a couple hundred bucks for a different style of portafilter and less than a dollar worth of electronics is jewery of the highest order.

>>17236317
Because it's made for retards with too much money. One of the biggest selling points if the flair was that it's relatively cheap for what you can do with it, but the 58 chucks that out the window when you could just buy a gaggia brand new and trick it out and still spend less without even having to bargain hunt for secondhand deals.

>>17236368
Please buy a gaggia and mod it. You'll have a great time. Or a $100 nespresso. I'm sure you'll really enjoy the quality once you jam a pid in there.