/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>17468381
I dunno, why is it?

Pizza is Greek, dumb shit

90% carbs

>>17468468
That's why it's good.

>>17468418
lmao cope harder you turkish rape baby. you stole your entire "cuisine" from the ottomans. dont try to steal from italy next and pay your debts you lazy bums

>>17468381
simple yet elegant recipes that are elevated through refined technique and quality ingredients

because it tastes good

>>17468418
kek

america improved every shitalian dish, withouth american influence italian cuisine would be nothing more than noodles and tomatoes mixed together

>>17468513
>>17468491
Google it, retards

>>17468381
Because it’s creamy and awesome

>>17468546
Stavros, just because some goat fucker put tomatoes on flat bread in athens 1000 BC, doesnt mean Pizza IS greek you fucking retard. Its like saying Ramen is Chinese because the Chinese technically put noodles in soup first. No wonder your country is such a shitter, your "people" are all retarded.

>>17468524
if by "improved" you mean adding mountains of grease and cheese and calling it a day than I guess you are correct in that it appeals more to the disgusting mishapen piggish muts that unfortunately settled in america.

>>17468568
>it's not Greek because of some reasons I came up with
Who's coping again?

>>17468605
>it's not italian because of some reasons I came up with
this is getting sad

Frogs btfo Italians regularly.

>>17468626
See >>17468546

>>17468640
see >>17468568

>>17468643
>reasons some retarded anon came up with should be considered more credible than factoids taken off various articles on the internet
Yeah, you a dumb wop

>>17468381
Lol, what kind of crazy chart is that? No spaghetti and meatballs!

>>17468658
>hey lets get pizza!
>sure thing I know a good greek place!

does this seem like a normal conversation to you, you ridiculous retard? this cant just be the natural greek stupidity. your mom drank too much metaxa when she was pregnant with you.

>>17468692
Literally coping

>>17468418
lmao

>>17468696
yes that is what you are doing. coping with the fact that pizza isnt greek. now go make your kebabs uhm i mean gyros. fucking loser

>>17468658
>factoids taken off various articles on the internet
You mean Jewish demoralization propaganda
>your food was actually invented by arabs! let them into your countries!

>>17468712
Now this is mega cope

>>17468715
>greeks are all turkish rape babies.
>turks are basically arabs

i dont know. seems to check out

>>17468381
>simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
t. leonardo da vinci

>>17468722
This has no relevance to the conversation btw

>>17468418
>we wuz romans and sheeeeit

>>17468730
only if you lack reading comprehension and basic reasoning skills aka a greek

>>17468735
>Roman culture is literally just emulated ancient greek culture
You got it backwards, senpai

>>17468671
this looks bad even for an "american italian" dish

>>17468418

>>17468749
I'm not even Greek so sorry your strawman didn't pan out. I was just trying to educate the retarded but I can see you're only of those negroes that gets angry when faced with the opportunity to learn something.

french and british food is better but third place is still pretty good

>>17468768
>british food
>beige food

>>17468381
Any recipe containing the humble tomato is American by way of the Columbian exchange

>>17469094
whats the difference between the steak and kidney pudding and pie?

>>17468765
sure thing Georgios Alxenadropolus Christos Fetatazkis

>>17468418
>>17468381
pizza is actually a korean dish

>>17468768
name 5 (five) french dishes that are actually good and not literally just meat and sauce. no pastries

>>17469094
put a dollop of tomato on there and you'll feel right at home, paisan

>>17469122
> paisan
I'm not paisan with indians sorry

>>17469118
french onion soup
french fries
baked brie
french toast
french dip

>>17468381
italian "cuisine" is the biggest cope of all. vast, vast majority of italian "cuisine" consists of tomato, wheat and dairy. it's all just so boring, every dish ends up some very middle of the road in terms of flavour profile and overall very boring. once youve had a single italian "dish" based on their silly triplet of ingredients they love so much apparently, you dont need to try any other italian "dishes".

there are a few exceptions to this, ossobuco for example, but there arent many.

>>17469132
lmao thanks for playing you dumb amerimutt

>>17469136
> there are a few exceptions to this, ossobuco for example, but there arent many.
I have a folder of italian dishes and food

>>17469144
thanks for licking my ass, paisan

>>17469136
>t. has only ever had pizza and pasta and therefore """"thinks"""" italian food is only pizza and pasta

i know being a contrarian retard for (yous) is a thing here but tone it down at least a little.

>>17469136

>>17469145
>>17469158
roast meat and soup isnt exactly unique to italy the same way ossobuco is

>>17469162
I got your back covered

>>17469157
i said in my post myself that there are exceptions, just that there aren't many. you did read the entire post, didnt you? it's maybe 3 sentences long. it's not that hard to read properly, is it?

>>17469162

>>17469162
by that retarded logic france doesnt have any unique food. you know you can roast meat and make soup all kinds of ways you dumb fucking spazz

>>17469168
but there are many exceptions you dogbrained waste of space. you jsut dont know them because you generally dont know much. kindly shut your retarded mouthhole

>>17469168

>>17469162
>italian food is only pizza and pasta
>posts italian food that isnt pizza and pasta
>n-n-o those don't count

fucking retard

>>17469184

Chinese food is better than Italian with the glaring exception dessert.

>>17469118
French onion soup
Souffle
Omlette
charcuterie
brioche
Marron glace
Baguette
Creme Brulee
Croque Monsieur/Madam
Flan
Gratin Dauphinois
Crepes (technically a pastry, but hardly counts as one in practice)
ratatouille
Tomate Farcie

All sorts of stews, if you don't count those as "just" meat and sauce

>>17469154
take your gay degeneracy elsewhere

>>17469190

>>17469195
perhaps back to italy, home of the faggots

>>17469197
That would be the UK

>>17469197

>>17469194
>nearly all of these are pastries or desserts or just bread.

is that supposed to be impressive? french food is only hailed as good because they invented haute cuisine which is the culinary equivalent of huffing your own farts.

>>17469166
hope you're joking with this one

>>17469172
not sure what this is but it looks interesting. some kind of stew with spinach and legumes?

>>17469176
yes france does have unique food, my point was just about every culture has some variation on roasting meat and making soup, so it isnt exactly unique. france has unique food, their pastries make up a lot of that, escargot, etc...

>>17469179
meatballs in soup isnt that unique either honestly. youre not helping the case for italian "cuisine" here

>>17469182
i do, thats why i can make the claim that italian "cuisine" essentially boils down to 3 ingredients the vast majority of the time.

>>17469184
rissoto is one of the dishes that sits there with ossobuco, luckily for italians

>>17469189
roast meat, soup, a fruit liquer, meatballs in soup... groundbreaking things no other culture has ever done, right? amazing job there italy lol

>>17469190
not sure what this is either

>>17469196
appears to be a low resolution picture of pasta with potatoes but without a tomato sauce, interesting i suppose

>>17469204
crushed up italian chocolate seems interesting i guess

>>17469206
italian goulash? not very groundbreaking either

you havent convinced me yet, keep going

>>17468381
great weather, easy access to the sea, native population is easy-going and prefers to eat, drink, and converse rather than work for the sake of working

>>17469213
Limoncello is a italian liquor, no cap here
>Ribollita toscana. It's actually known outside Italy
> They are not meatball
> That's not risotto. Risotto require toasting the rice and a different cooking technique. This is risi and bisi, more a " soup"
> breaded white olives stuffed with meat. They goes with fried custard
> not pasta.
> Modica chocolate is chocolate made skipping the coanching process like people did in the pasta before mr Lindt "discovered it".
> It doesn't even looks like goulash. It's a stew of celery and onions

>>17469213
codfish "mayo" on polenta

>>17469212
>brioche
>Marron glace
>Baguette
>Creme Brulee
>flan
Those are all the desserts and breads listed. The only possible pastry listed is
>Crepes
and I would argue that they are more like a tortilla than a true pastry same goes for pies. but I omitted them.

That leaves:
French onion soup
Souffle
Omlette
charcuterie
Croque Monsieur/Madam
Gratin Dauphinois
ratatouille
Tomate Farcie

Off the top of my head, excluding any dishes that feature both a meat, and a sauce. Now list some italian dishes without any:
>pasta
>meat and sauce
>desserts

chestnut flour spongy cake with pine nuts, raisins and rosemary

>>17469213
Risotto with nettles

>>17469242
Oh, and no breads either.

>>17469242
italian sub
italian wedding soup
italian shower
risotto
garlic bread

>>17469213
Sardinian wedding biscuits

Bagnacauda - Garlic, butter and anchovies sauce for roasted vegetable dipping

>>17469235
so basically it's

soup
soup
soupy risotto
fried stuffed olives (sounds like an italian-american "dish" desu)
odd dish that im still not sure what it is
chocolate without conching
italian goulash

torta looks like that greek dish i forget the name, the spinach and cheese in that spiral shaped pastry

>>17469240
also looks like an italian-american "dish"

>>17469247
nearly every culture makes cakes/bread from flour, savoury or sweet...

>>17469252
risotto is once again one of the only good things out of italy

>>17469266
pretty but not exactly unique

>>17469272
this looks good, something up there with ossobuco and risotto.

>>17469242
>French onion soup
meme answer but counts I guess
>Souffle
pastry
>Omlette
not a dish
>charcuterie
not a dish
>Croque Monsieur/Madam
just a sandwich
>Gratin Dauphinois
2n dish
>ratatouille
3rd dish also a meme answer
>Tomate Farcie
4th dish

congrats four actual dishes. one to go. try maybe a sophisticated one for a change. those were all peasent shit.

Now list some italian dishes without any:
>pasta
>meat and sauce
>desserts

I never said list dishes without meat and sauce just dishes that arent literally just meat and sauce. anyway just read the thread. the italian poster is listing some good shit. it might broaden your horizon :^)

>>17469279
white fava bean puree with chicories
> soup
Yes. It does not belong to your "trio" anon.
> soup
That's not soup. That's a broth with something in it
> fried stuffed olives (sounds like an italian-american "dish" desu)
And fried custard. Still not in your wheat-tomato-dairy
> italian goulash
I'm starting to think you don't even know what is goulash in the first place
> chocolate without conching
Really tasting. Still not in your trio

> also looks like an italian-american "dish"
You're wrong that's actually really tasting
>nearly every culture makes cakes/bread from flour, savoury or sweet...
Every culture also uses water. Do you want to ban it?

> pretty but not exactly unique
Find another place that make those biscuit

> this looks good, something up there with ossobuco and risotto.
You need help with your fixation. You can find other cuisine that use ossobuco btw

>>17469279
polenta concia

Zuppa forte -
That is not tomato sauce but bell pepper sauce before you ask
The meat is a mix of heart, lungs, and liver cooked in lard

>>17469279
fried eel - very popular southern italian food for new years eve

>>17469319
and what's the green stuff?

>>17469279
>>17469213
>nearly every culture makes variations on X so it doesnt count
yeah that is what a dish is you dumb nigger.

>>17469329
troffie pesto, potatoes and green beans
bay leaf. It's added in the bell pepper sauce but it's there just for display purpose

>>17469279
sarde in saor - sweet and sour fried sardines

>>17469279
Horse meatball - Horse is pretty popular in Sicily. Roasted meatball in lemon leaf is just one of the way to consume it

>>17469279
colatura di alici - modern day garum

>>17469374
>garum
someone get reddit on the phone they's gonna flip

I can't believe this thread with a completely nonsense subject got all you people to spend so much time typing out responses to share your own opinion about shit earth food.

Martian food is clearly superior

>>17469303
pureed beans not exactly unique either desu

soup doesnt belong to anyone, soup is just soup, everyone makes soup. it's nothing to be proud of is all im getting at

broth with something in it falls under the category of soup sorry

custard is dairy though, and deep fried stuffed olives isnt exactly anything new either sorry, it's exactly that, just stuffed deep fried olives

i know what goulash is, that dish is simply the italian take on it. goulash with carrots and celery, italian goulash

chocolate is dairy lol. it's just not very unique or anything either, chocolate without conching is once again, exactly that...

im not trying to ban wheat, tomato and dairy, im just saying that ialian "cuisine" is based around those far too much and it's just a very boring "cuisine" is all

anyone could make those biscuits, they're just biscuits, its nothing special

you can find other stewed meats of course, but ossobuco is a unique take on it and is made well, that's what seperates itself from the rest of italian "cuisine"

>>17469312
dairy porridge isnt exactly new

>>17469319
just a slightly different spaghetti lol cmon

>>17469326
eel isnt exactly uniquely italian either hahaha, even the british have been eating eel for years now

>>17469336
nothing unique or interesting is the point

>>17469344
another wheat based dish, yawn

>>17469355
its just deep fried sardines cant really call this cuisine

>>17469363
its horse meatballs man like cmon, youre not helping your case at all

>>17469374
this is somewhat interesting

>>17469299
>it isn't a dish because... because... it just isn't ok!
beef bourguignon
escargot
bouillabaisse
cassoulet
navarin
coq au vin

use google next time

>>17469279
>>17469393
cantucci e vinsanto - hard biscuit to dip in straw wine

Will post other pic tomorrow if the thread will be still alive
Good night you uneducated retard

>>17469380
I never understood why reddit shit itself over garum

>>17469393
> I know what goulash is, that dish is simply the italian take on it. goulash with carrots and celery, italian goulash
You don't clearly. Italian has its goulash version which is not acquacotta at all

It was fun, and informative for me, hope you will be able to recover

>>17469393
> pureed beans not exactly unique either desu
You talked about
> once youve had a single italian "dish" based on their silly triplet of ingredients they love so much apparently,
you didn't mention uniqueness

Btw gelato and espresso are unique to italy

>>17468381
they're addicted to tomatoes

>>17469394
at least you chose a fitting pic rel that represents france

>>17469399
its just sweet bread, its not that special either

>>17469416
sorry but that is essentially goulash

all im saying is, italian food just isnt very interesting or unique, it's all based on a few elements and gets very repetitive

>>17469433
uniqueness is important yes

>>17469394
>beef bourguignon
jsut meat and sauce
>escargot
(snail) meat and sauce
>bouillabaisse
the best french dish. congrats
>cassoulet
had to whip out google fo this one eh?
>navarin
meat and sauce
>coq au vin
meat and sauce

so far I am not impressed

>>17469444
It's not what you said in the first place, so you sound like you're desperate backpedaling

No country invented anything that is not used by other countries in their cuisine, you know people started trading thousands of years ago.
You just sound retarded

>>17469453
the premise of my post is the fact that all their dishes are based on wheat, tomato and dairy. of course uniqueness is important. do you really need me to spell this out for you?

>No country invented anything that is not used by other countries in their cuisine, you know people started trading thousands of years ago.

this is literally someone doing their best to cope lol

>You just sound retarded
this is someone seething

and you know, despite people trading for thousands of years, many many other countries have managed to keep a varied and unique cuisine, but italian "cuisine" ? went to hell as soon as the tomato came over. it's just sad.

>>17469436
It's Australian

>>17468381
Where chicken parm

>>17469460
>the premise of my post is the fact that all their dishes are based on wheat
>a thousand dishes are named that are not that
>n-n-not unique though
keep up with the goalpoast moving you autistic nigger. everyone itt knows you lost a long time ago. now shoo nigger shoo

>>17469460
italy btfos most other countries with their various pastas wine and coffee culture alone. they dont even need anything more, but they have.

>>17469473
it really isnt unique at all though. they have maybe 1 good dish which is uniquely italian and actually good for every 20 dishes that are just boring or a slight variation on something they already have, or just wheat, tomato and cheese.

>>17469477
some people enjoy it, i just find it very boring to eat the same thing over and over, no matter how many little variations it has

>>17469460
anon you have to learn when you got btfo and it's time to stop posting, your bad attempt of trolling sound cringe as fuck

>>17469496
im not trolling im being very sincere, italian "food" just really isnt that good, it's mostly boring and mostly based off of wheat, cheese and tomato.

>>17469500
The only thing boring is you in this thread. Not even that anon but you got told

>>17469508
i dont mind what anyone thinks im just speaking my mind, italian "food" just isnt that much, its very over rated and it's mostly boring. to me, italian "food" is like an opera, but they took out all the highs and lows. thats what happens when you base so much of your cuisine around wheat, cheese and tomato. it becomes very middle of the road without any excitement.

>>17469500
> it's mostly boring
Did you try finding entertainment in things that are not food fatso?
>>17469511
> insufferable faggot analogy
Go back to r*ddit you fruit

>>17469532
a marker of a well developed and matured cuisine is food that tantalises and tastes exquisite, not wheat, tomato and dairy, im sorry, like i said, it's just very boring as food. it's fine for sustenance i suppose, or introducing a young child to food that isnt potato fries, but thats about it

>>17468381
italians may have invented it but italian pizza fucking sucks compared to what other countries do, and i prefer pasta with strogonoff which is russian

>>17469536
>>17469511
>you base so much of your cuisine around wheat, cheese and tomato
we have been over this multiple times you insufferable reatard. italian cuisine isnt based on those three things. you just keep rejecting every other dish that doesnt fit your narrative. you have been btfo multiple times. you rejected sicilian cookies because flour for christ sake just stop posting you embarassing retard

>>17469536
>a marker of a well developed and matured cuisine

name your favorite cuisine.

>>17469536
>>17469553
>>17469511
why do italy threads always attract the dumbest take havers you can find? i know you need to feel the need to be special by thinking you are above highly acclaimed and well liked things but all you end up being is "special" in a retard kind of way

>>17469553
what other people o pizza better than italians?

>>17469593
im sorry but maybe only 1-2 of all those "dishes" you posted were unique to italy and interesting is all. the rest were not unique to italy, they were just your average food with an italian name.

the cookies are nothing special in terms of flavour etc, they just have some pretty icing on them

>>17469599
hmmm... probably spanish or sichuan, maybe even uyghur. hard to say.

>>17469611
i say the reason it is "highly acclaimed" is because it is so bland and middling, it appeals to everyone because its devoid of any real flavour. its just boring, im sorry. it might appeal to everyone, but that comes with its cost, any personality or uniqueness.

>>17469614
the USA

>>17469611
its a agreed by everybody aside from italians themselfs that italian pizza sucks and is made better bye everybody else

>>17469614
Brazil, USA, japan

>>17469668
please say who does it better then

>>17469661
the people in the USA who make the best pizza are italians.

>>17469676
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

>>17469689
>they are worse because... they just are mkay
you are either italian or a self hating fag who hates your country and think that other country=good

>>17469614
Everyone, even Swedish nightmare pizzas at least are an attempt to try something new, you do anything different with Italian food in front of Italians and they’ll start the MAMMA MIA DAT IS NOTTA DA WAY TO MAKEDA PIZZA and screaming about how their mother made it and then another Italian will start screaming because the first Italians mother didn’t cook the basil to the exact attosecond the second’s mother did, and they start gesticulating wildly until their wrists fracture and they accidentally backhand the daughter of a mafia don who was walking by and wind up getting concrete shoes, all over someone deciding to put bacon on a pizza

>>17469649
retard what other country has Mustazzola? what other country has Parmigiana? Arancini? Polipetti affogati? Zuppa di pesce alla napoletana? ragu neapolitan? gelato? Pignoccata? Foccacia? Bagnacauda? Risotto? Nasello alla palermitana? Tonno alla ghiotta? Mpanate? Zuzzu? Pesto? Braciole messinesi? Frittedda Siciliana? Brioche Col Tupe? Sciusceddu? Calamari Ripiendi? Baccalà mantecato? Acqua pazza? Porchetta? Countless Pastas that all taste different. The best Pizza. Some of the Best Wine. The best Vinegar. Cheeses. Please you are talking out of your ass to feel special. Just stop it you dumb fucking cunt

>>17469708
how does it feel to be this fucking retarded

>>17469707
Eat uP!

>>17469708
what a retarded fucking take. if I shit on your plate and call it mousse au chocolat you would eat it up because hey at least its something new.

>>17469707
still waiting on the country that does pizza better than italians and as said before USA doesnt count because those are just Italians in America making Pizza.

>>17469649
>hmmm... probably spanish or sichuan, maybe even uyghur.
> italian copycat, MSG and mutton
kek, after all that pretentious shit you wrote that is your idea of fine cuisine?
You're not fooling anyone Esteban

>>17469649
> im sorry but maybe only 1-2 of all those "dishes" you posted were unique to italy and interesting is all. the rest were not unique to italy, they were just your average food with an italian name.
Name 4 dished of spanish, sichian and uyghur respectively that have unique features
I'll wait

>>17469649
> I'm sorry but maybe only 1-2 of all those "dishes" you posted were unique to italy and interesting is all
Yet you found garum interesting while it's just a special case of dozen of fish sauce you can find in Asia
You are a fucking clown

>>17469649
> hmmm... probably spanish
Spaniard hand typed this
> sichuan
Name 5 dishes unique that don't contain soy sauce, wheat and potato starch
> uyghur
That's just ridiculously funny

>>17469765
>Mustazzola
biscuits not exactly unique
>parmigiana
cheese and tomato on top of more food? very boring
>arancini
deep fried risotto sounds alright i guess but its just a variation on risotto at the end of the day
>Polipetti affogati
tomato again? at least it has wine i suppose, seems like the italian take on coq au vin or something but worse
>Zuppa di pesce alla napoletana
seafood in tomato sauce? seems very similar to the polipetti affogati
>ragu neapolitan
wheat, cheese, tomato.........
>gelato
gelato is nice i like gelato, its like ice cream but better
>Pignoccata
deep fried dough, never heard of this one before lol
>focaccia
everyone makes bread cmon, even the australian aboriginals had damper lol
>Bagnacauda
already gave my thoughts on this, looks like an interesting appetizer
>risotto
also gave my thoughts on this already, one of the few dishes that is good, untainted by the wheat/cheese/tomato problem
>Nasello alla palermitana
baked fish isnt exactly unique either, just the italian spin on things...
>Tonno alla ghiotta
tomatoes once again. tomatoes really ruined italian cuisine.
>mpanate
some sort of pie? thats not exactly unique either lol

>>17469765
>zuzzu
pork bound by gelatin? this is just the italian version of frances terrine lol
>pesto
pesto isnt bad, but it could be better if it didnt have the cheese honestly. dairy is just such a let down.
>Braciole messines
veal skewers? not exactly unique either
>Frittedda Siciliana
looked interesting until i saw the addition of bread lol. could be better once again.
>Brioche Col Tupe
italian brioche... i wonder where brioche comes from...
>Sciusceddu
more soup lol
>Calamari Ripiendi
would be better without the cheese, of course
>Baccalà mantecato
seems okay besides the addition of milk/mayonnaise (depending on the recipe)
>Acqua pazza
more tomato...
>Porchetta
just roasted pork really
>countless pastas
vast majority are wheat, tomato and cheese
>best pizza
vast majority are wheat, tomato and cheese
>some of the best wine
everyone makes wine
>the best vinegar
best vinegar is from spain actually
>cheeses
thats a problem
>talking out your ass
i'm really not lol

>>17469986
>>17469991
Hey you, answer >>17469965 >>17469894 please

>>17469991
>>17469986

>>17469991
Are you a ketofag? why are you afraid of wheat?

>>17468381
>Italian cuisine
>40% pasta
>10% bread
mama mia

>>17469965
>picrel
>implying canadian indians and siberians are light-skinned
Kek

>>17469991
> dairy is just such a let down.
It was clear you were a faggot from the beginning
> bread lol.
there's no bread in the recipe lol
> italian brioche... i wonder where brioche comes from...
It's eaten with granita, which is pretty unique actually

> would be better without the cheese, of course
There's no cheese in calamari
> seems okay besides the addition of milk/mayonnaise (depending on the recipe)
There's no mayo nor milk in it. It's an "emulsion" of codfish and oil. It's kinda unique too, or at leas very unusual
> vast majority are wheat, tomato and cheese
not at all, aside from wheat, which is the ingredient you have to use to make pasta
> vast majority are wheat, tomato and cheese
again, you need wheat to make pizza dough retard
> everyone makes wine
Not even remotely true
> best vinegar is from spain actually
lol

I am also curious, answer >>17469894

>>17469894
>>17469965
paella (of course), tortilla de patas, escalivada, rabo de toro

hotpot (of course), the one thats beef tripe in chilli oil with the nuts is good, dont know the chinese name for that one, the dry fried chicken is good too, and they did this one called double cooked pork belly if i remember correctly

cant find any names of the uyghur food so youre going to have to take my word on this one, but they have these braised lamb ribs that are real good, some kind of offal salad which was nice, a vegeatble stir fry but it was filled with really nice hearty vegetables like eggplant, celery, peppers, etc. they also had some kind of chicken dish that was really good too. uyghur food had really nice bold flavours when i ate it, last had it over a year ago but i still remember it fondly

>>17469903
garum is interesting compared to the rest of italian cuisine

>>17470004
its just very boring and featured too prominently

carbs and tomatos and olive oil

little bit of cheese

what more does man need? Unironically what nutrient is missing from this diet? Fats carbs proteins. Fat soluble vitamins, minerals from the cheese, Calories from the carbs and oil. Protein from the pasta, cheese. Vitamin c from the tomatoes.

>>17470063
dairy just dilutes flavours, it is boring. its why it's paired with tomato so often, they make a boring combination, and when paired with wheat? couldnt get any more boring

recipe i saw had bread in it, looked like another bread soup

granita is just frozen water + sugar + fruit juice lol

was in the dish i saw, we dont have access to the same recipes obviously

once again we have different recipes, all the recipes i saw had either mayonnaise or milk in them

which is the problem, wheat is just very boring and dominates too much of italian "cuisine"

no really, everyone does make wine lol, its ancient

>>17470071
> paella (of course)
Rice and fish. Not unique
> tortilla de patas,
A omelet, even french people do that anon
> escalivada
fucking grilled vegetables lol

> hotpot (of course)
soup? I though they were not legal

> the one thats beef tripe in chilli oil with the nuts is good
yawn, italy makes a lot of tripe, just like french

> the dry fried chicken is good too
dry chicken is not a recipe. A lot of other country make dry chicken in Asia

> one called double cooked pork belly if i remember correctly
So you don't even know 3 names of your favorite chicken?

> cant find any names of the uyghur food so youre going to have to take my word on this one
I don't have to. You are full of shit and you barely know cuisine in general

> but they have these braised lamb ribs that are real good
Italians make lamb too

> some kind of offal salad which was nice
Italians makes them too

> a vegeatble stir fry but it was filled with really nice hearty vegetables like eggplant, celery, peppers,
Every country does stir fry vegetables. Can you name a recipe or not?

>>17470085
> dairy just dilutes flavours, it is boring
If you use shit cheese. I find impossible to say that parmigiano or a blue cheese dilutes the flavour

> its why it's paired with tomato so often
Not true. You lack the basic concept of food. Cheese pairs with tomatoes to correct the acidity and add (aka umami) flavour

> recipe i saw had bread in it, looked like another bread soup
Then you are a fucking retard. You manage to get 3 recipes wrong on the internet

> which is the problem, wheat is just very boring and dominates too much of italian
It does not as everyone itt showed you. It dominates pasta dishes and bread because it's what it's used to make them you mongoloid

> no really, everyone does make wine lol, its ancient
Name 20 countries with strong wine culture


At this point you are just clinically retarded and you showed lack of really basic knowledge in cuisine.Your opinion is worthless

>>17470085
> reddit spacing
> retarded opinion
many such cases

>>17468381
>Cheap
>Big portions
>carbs

>>17469614
New Jersey has perfected the pizza

>>17470118
no paella is cooked traditionally with saffron, paprika, white wine, broth of some kind depending on the variation, seafood, rabbit and chicken, i think its a pretty unique dish

tortilla de patas isn't oan omelette, it's a tortilla with potatoes. it's a pretty simple meal i will admit, but it's just a classic of spanish cuisine is all

yeah theyre good, once again a pretty simple dish but it's nice, sometimes you just want something fresh

hotpot is not soup, you use broth to cook whatever it is you're eating, i suppose you could say it is a way of cooknig more than a dish if you want i guess

they dont make it like the sichuans do, high heat with good flavours in there, aromatics and all that you know? it has bold flavours and tastes good

i dont have the exact recipe or even know its actual name, that's just what i remember it being called, cant be anymore specific than that, it was good though.

no i dont know chinese or whatever language it is they speak so i cant really talk about specifics, these are just dishes that i liked

>>17470118
italians dont make it like the uyghurs do is the problem though. always has to be accompanied with the same ingredients: wheat, tomato and cheese. it's just sad.

you're right, majority of countries make some kind of vegetable dish, the cooking style in asian countries is different though, their use of aromatics etc also changes the flavour of the dish a significant amount. it's not just the fact its a vegetable dish that makes it similar to other dishes

if you use exclusively parmigiano or blue cheese i guess that's a fair claim, but that isnt the case

yes exactly, cheese pairs with tomato to dilute the flavour of the tomato. using dairy is a sign of someone not knowing how to cook. they make something and taste it, realise they dont like the flavours, so they add some dairy to dilute something to a very boring, middle of the road, much blander "dish". honestly i find it pathetic.

sorry but im not going to search through googles looking at 20 different recipes for italian "cuisine" when i already know it's just not going to be very good at all... it's a waste of my time honestly

no it does dominate italian "cuisine". no one has shown me anything really, someone just posted a bunch of really subpar "dishes", thats about it. nothing looking that good except for the sardine dip thing, that seemed interesting but that was about it. italy just need more creativity and skill when it comes to food is all.

france, spain, USA, australia, argentina, china, south africa, chile, germany, portugal, russia, romania, brazil, hungary, new zealand, greece, ukraine, moldova, bulgaria, serbia, georgia, uruguay......

>>17470161
its okay to think that, but i know i am objectively correct

>>17470417
> italians dont make it like the uyghurs do is the problem though. always has to be accompanied with the same ingredients: wheat, tomato and cheese.
tripe does not need tomato cheese or wheat
Still not unique

> the cooking style in asian countries is different though, their use of aromatics etc also changes the flavour of the dish a significant amount.
Everyone makes stirred fry

You are just have a gullible palate and think the combination of frying in oil, sugar, garlic, chili and and MSG is flavorful and you didn't even realize
they use the same trick all over their cuisine, plus soy sauce, that's because your evident limited experience with both of you "favorite" cuisine,
Then you listed a cuisine which is basically chinese cuisine with arab (muslim) infuluence, which makes it not unique by construction


> yes exactly, cheese pairs with tomato to dilute the flavour of the tomato.
It does not. Especially if you talk about italian cuisine, which uses most of the time a hard long aged cheese like parmigiano, which admittedly don't dilute the flavor. You are not even able to realize that there are a ton of blue or aged cheese that

> sorry but im not going to search through googles looking at 20 different recipes for italian "cuisine" when i already know it's just not going to be very good at all... it's a waste of my time honestly
You are wasting more time here acting like a mongoloid

> no it does dominate italian "cuisine". no one has shown me anything really,
look at the pics itt, there are only few pic with wheat-tomato-cheese. That makes you objectively wrong

Stop acting like a child, It's clear you are clueless about cuisine. But people who dismiss italian cuisine as "boring" always are in my experience

>>17470417
> france, spain, USA, australia, argentina, china, south africa, chile, germany, portugal, russia, romania, brazil, hungary, new zealand, greece, ukraine, moldova, bulgaria, serbia, georgia, uruguay......
> strong wine culture
The homework wasn't googling "countries that make wine", but listing 10 countries with strong wine culture.

>>17470071
>garum is interesting compared to the rest of italian cuisine
are you a chink or just obsessed specifically with fermented foods? shit doesn't need to be marinated in acid or virgin boy's piss or buried underground with lye for a month to taste good you know

>>17469094
mmm, 30 shades of brown

>>17470415
> no paella is cooked traditionally with saffron, paprika, white wine
Not unique. Arancini siciliani are made with rice and saffron
> broth of some kind depending on the variation, seafood, rabbit and chicken, i think its a pretty unique dish
It's not. YOu can also find those kind of dish in most of northen african countries

> tortilla de patas isn't oan omelette, it's a tortilla with potatoes. it's a pretty simple meal i will admit, but it's just a classic of spanish cuisine is all
Every country makes frittata with onion and potatoes. You can't be serious

> yeah theyre good, once again a pretty simple dish but it's nice, sometimes you just want something fresh
Not unique

> hotpot is not soup, you use broth to cook whatever it is you're eating, i suppose you could say it is a way of cooknig more than a dish if you want i guess
So it's a broth lel

> aromatics and all that you know? it has bold flavours and tastes good
They use the same 3/4 aromatics in every dishes. Kinda boring

>i dont have the exact recipe or even know its actual name, that's just what i remember it being called, cant be anymore specific than that, it was good though.
You basically said "y-y-y-yeah they make some good recipe with meat!!!!!"

> no i dont know chinese or whatever language it is they speak so i cant really talk about specifics, these are just dishes that i liked
You are expected to know the name of some dish of your favourite cuisine dumbass. If you like it in general it's because it's a boring cuisine that uses 90% if the times the same combination of spice

>>17471525
>You are just have a gullible palate and think the combination of frying in oil, sugar, garlic, chili and and MSG is flavorful
Lol, "all the flavors trick you into thinking you're tasting flavors". The fucking retards on this site

>>17471696
You are a retard
There's a big difference between leverage on the quality of the ingredient and drowning shit in spices because you like those spices
> The fucking retards on this site
The irony

>>17468381
One of these is not like the others...

>>17471696
try eating a branzino cooked in oven with a light seasoning and then do the same thing with codfish

Now fry the branzino in peanut oil, garlic, ginger, chili and glaze with soy sauce and do the same thing with codfish. Tell me how much difference you can taste

The same thing apply to mcdonald hamburger, the meat taste like shit but the sauces cover the horrible meat

tldr: you are a fucking retard

>>17468381
>Carbs on carbs on carbs on carbs on carbs on carbs on carbs on carbs

Nice cuisine you got there Giovanni.

>>17468381
Best pizza in the world tho

>>17472282
Is that why they call it carbonara?

>>17471611
Nothing wrong with fermented food (kimchi, krauts, and fermented pickes are kino)

I agree on the garum tho, people like that guy have just discovered that other countries make food

t. Italian

>>17468524
>t. never visited Italy.
Murricans over sweeten every italian dish with too much herb

>>17468524
>withouth american influence
>tomatoes
just noodles

>>17469991
>>17469986
jesus christ you are such a massive faggot. you get proven to be retarded over and over again yet you still post

>>17471525
i know tripe doesnt need tomato cheese or wheat, thats what makes the other countries so good when they do make it, compared to italian "cuisine"

no that's just a completely incorrect assertion, their dishes are not made up with the basis of 3 silly ingredients which reduces all their food to the same level, there is simply more variety compared to italian "cuisine"

no, it does, its why they are paired together so often. you bring up blue cheese or parmigianno, but the simple fact is they arent used exclusively in italian "cuisine". you're trying to misrepresent the truth.

im simply trying to explain to you why italian "cuisine" is so over rated and honestly, pretty bad. like ive said before, it's only useful for sustenance or trying to get a child to eat something which isnt chicken nuggets.

every picure which doesnt feature tomato, cheese and wheat has just been a soup or roast meat of some kind, neither of which is exclusive to italian "cuisine". just goes to show that there truly ISNT anything unique to italian "cuisine".

>>17471533
those countries do have a strong wine culture, do you even know what youre talking about?

>>17471611
im sorry but food that is just a simple variation on soup, or roasted meat just arent that interesting, at least garum is somewhat unique, but not entirely.

>>17471688
arancini is just fried rice, you dont end up tasting any of the saffron, it just turns into deep fried food #5923945

you can find those kinds of foods in north african dishes sure, but they arent made the same way paella is. paella is a unique dish no matter how you want to try spin it, you're simply wrong here sorry.

tortilla de patas is unique to spain im sorry, theres just nothing else to say about it, youre once again just wrong

all youre saying is these dishes are not unique, you clearly dont have anything else to add to the conversation regarding these lol. youre really grasping at straws now.

no thats just how you cook the dish

they dont, its very regional. if youve only ever had americanized chinese "food" then i can see how you might think that i guess, but that is not excuse for trying to misrepresent the truth to try bring some sort of credence to italian "cuisine"

they do, what else do you want me to say? the fact is it's simply better than italian "cuisine" regardless of whether i know the names of the dishes or not

i dont speak these languages so im not going to remember the exact names of the dishes, i hope you understand this. the same way i dont speak italian i cant find whoevers nonnos exact recipe of a certain dish.

>>17473506
no, i am correct, sorry to burst your bubble. italian "cuisine" is simply a farce, with very few exceptions, all of which existed before tomatos were introduced to italy, because they become a lot lazier and worse cooks overall once they had tomato. it's just sad.

>>17474239
>i know tripe doesnt need tomato cheese or wheat, thats what makes the other countries so good when they do make it, compared to italian "cuisine"
Italian cuisine has a lot of dishes with tripes of any sort without cheese tomatoes and weat. Learn how to read

> no that's just a completely incorrect assertion, their dishes are not made up with the basis of 3 silly ingredients which reduces all their food to the same level, there is simply more variety compared to italian "cuisine"
That's basically it actually. Asian cuisine tends to be more repetetive than italian regarding the flavor palette. That's why they are able to eat every animals with four legs, they all taste the same under their heavy spice usage.
Almost every chinese (or chinese derived) dish have a permutation of {garlic, vegetable oil/peanut oil, soy sauce, msg, ginger}. Try to find dishes that don't contain a subset of that

> no, it does, its why they are paired together so often. you bring up blue cheese or parmigianno.but the simple fact is they arent used exclusively in italian "cuisine". you're trying to misrepresent the truth.
*Parmigiano
Parmesan cheese is a typical italian product
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parmesan

The fact that you can find it in other places is due to export.
You are condoning the discussion anyway. You were arguing that the cheese diluted the flavor of the tomato, when aged cheeses do not do so for the simple fact that they do not possess moisture anymore.


> im simply trying to explain to you why italian "cuisine" is so over rated and honestly, pretty bad. like ive said before, it's only useful for sustenance or trying to get a child to eat something which isnt chicken nuggets.
You haven`t actually explained anything. You were asked which cuisines you thought had unique dishes and you faltered and gave no precise or satisfactory answer.
The few dishes you have mentioned are mostly boring and nothing really unique.

>>17474239
> every picure which doesnt feature tomato, cheese and wheat has just been a soup or roast meat of some kind, neither of which is exclusive to italian "cuisine". just goes to show that there truly ISNT anything unique to italian "cuisine".
You should explain to me on what basis you make these claims since you were not able to miss 3 dishes when all you need is half a brain and know how to use the internet.

>>17474247
> arancini is just fried rice, you dont end up tasting any of the saffron, it just turns into deep fried food #5923945
Arancini are saffron rice, then breaded and fried. Paella doesn't add much to the recipe honestly.
The fact that you can't tell the difference between saffron and rice is because you have the palate of a child.

> you can find those kinds of foods in north african dishes sure, but they arent made the same way paella is. paella is a unique dish no matter how you want to try spin it, you're simply wrong here sorry.
You find the same recipes in both North Africa and the Middle East. Which shouldn't come as a surprise since Spaniards are Negroes.

> all youre saying is these dishes are not unique, you clearly dont have anything else to add to the conversation regarding these lol. youre really grasping at straws now.
They are simply not as unique as you claimed. To call an omelette with onions and potatoes unique is ridiculous to the extreme.

> they do, what else do you want me to say? the fact is it's simply better than italian "cuisine" regardless of whether i know the names of the dishes or not
Nothing, just stop making a fool of yourself.

>>17474247
>i dont speak these languages so im not going to remember the exact names of the dishes, i hope you understand this.
You barely speak English, but that obviously doesn't stop you from boring us with your crappy opinion

Why is it so difficult for you to learn the name of 4/5 dishes?

>>17474306
ive seen more italian "dishes" that feature tripe with cheese, tomato and wheat than i havent honestly. maybe i dont have whoevers nonnos recipe but that's what ive seen, so im inclined to think that you are once again wrong sorry

honestly, all this statement does is show how little you understand about any cuisine at all really, that is including italian "cuisine". this might be true if youve only ever eaten the americainized version of chinese food, which is not a representation of the truth. if you genuinely want to find these dishes, just look for them yourself. hell, all you have to do is look up what kind of ingredients are used in chinese cooking, and if you find a proper list you'll see the variety even just there. even more specifically if you begin looking at it regionally instead of just a single attempt at a conglomeration of all the regions put together. this really is a lot easier than youre trying to make it out to be.

no, theres a reason they pair cheese and tomato so often together, and that is because the flavours of each of them reduce the flavours of the other. it's just sad, it features too often in italian "cuisine", and it just cheapens the entire "food culture" of italy. like i already said, the tomato was the worst thing to happen to italian food.

>>17474306
moisture possession has nothing to do with this im not sure why youre even trying to bring this up lol. its just a simple fact, the acidity of the tomato is reduced by the presence of dairy, and the flavour of the dairy is reduced by the flavour of the tomato. it's why theyre paired so often together in italian "cuisine". it's just a very lazy way to cook, and it makes everything much more boring.

sorry, i wasnt speaking about other cuisines, i was only speaking about italian "cuisine". you wanted the names of dishes which i do not know, i just gave examples of better cuisines than italian "cuisine" and you tried to turn it into some strange sort of pissing contest. matter of the fact is, italian "cuisine" is just bland, boring, and nothing special at all. it's very plain, and everything italy tries to do has been done by someone else and better.

>>17474308
because i dont know the specific recipe somebodies nonno used, how am i meant to know which exact recipe you are referencing when the same name is used for multiple recipes? recipes which are or are not featuring what appears to be a major component of the dish are either present or absent in multiple recipes. wouldnt it just be easier if you told me so i could address your issues directly?

>>17474321
paella is rice cooked in the broth + wine combination with the rest of the spices, while arancini is just breaded and fried. theyre very different, and i honestly cant believe youre even trying to say theyre the same when theyre clearly not. simply put, youre not going to taste any of the intricacies of the arancini compared to the paella, and thats a fact. unless you want to put so much saffron that its all you taste? in which case, you might as well just be eating saffron itself. like ive already said, italian "cuisine" is very bland, boring, and a lazy way of cooking.

>>17474321
you can find their attempt on paella, but thats about it really. youre simply lying if youre trying to say they are the same. thats like saying if someone from germany cooks arancini that arancini is then german lol.

the simple matter of the fact is they are, youre trying to apply the broad brush of americanized chinese food to all of china, which is silly to anyone that actually knows about this. easiest way i can explain this to you is this: there is huge differences in chinese food even just between the different regions of china. china isnt the huge conglomerate youre trying to make it out to be. this is why i say you're grasping at straws.

sorry, but i dont speak every language on earth, and i dont remember the name of every single dish ive ever eaten. that changes absolutely nothing about the poor state of italian "cuisine" though.

>>17474371
lol im sorry you dont like my opinion that italian "food" is just not as good as most people think it is. it's only my opinion though, i hope thats okay with you.

i just dont remember the names of those dishes is all, i dont know what else to tell you. i dont remember the name of every single dish ive ever eaten, that just seems like something someone with OCD or some other mental condition would do. i eat something i enjoy and i move on, what's wrong with that?

>>17474454
> ive seen more italian "dishes" that feature tripe with cheese, tomato and wheat than i havent honestly
That's a (you) problem

> maybe i dont have whoevers nonnos recipe but that's what ive seen, so im inclined to think that you are once again wrong sorry
If you don't know something, it's better to keep quiet, don't you think?

> this might be true if youve only ever eaten the americainized version of chinese food,
To eat the Americanized version I'd have to be American, which I thought was clear I'm not, but I forgot I was talking to a mongoloid

> you genuinely want to find these dishes, just look for them yourself.
IF you are the one who said they are unique kitchens, you should be the one to prove what you say, which you have failed to do

> ven more specifically if you begin looking at it regionally instead of just a single attempt at a conglomeration of all the regions put together. this really is a lot easier than youre trying to make it out to be.
And an argument that applies to every country. But please take a seat, it shows how an area 100 times the size of Italy has a diverse cuisine. The funny thing is that it is simply comparable despite the geographical area

> no, theres a reason they pair cheese and tomato so often together, and that is because the flavours of each of them reduce the flavours of the other.
Sure, people add aged cheese to the tomato, which is optional, to dilute the flavor of the tomato.
Are your parents brother and sister?

>>17474460
> moisture possession has nothing to do with this im not sure why youre even trying to bring this up lol. its just a simple fact, the acidity of the tomato is reduced by the presence of dairy,
not by diluting the flavor, idiot, but by adding sweetness
> it's just sad, it features too often in italian "cuisine", and it just cheapens the entire "food culture" of italy.
It's clear that you have no idea what you're talking about, you can't even name Chinese dishes.

Proper Italian food is hard to beat. One of the most delicious restaurant meals I’ve ever had was in Rome. Meatballs with tomato sauce and roasted potatoes.

>>17474515
yeah I know it’s ironic to say “proper” italian considering the pic I posted, but whatever

>>17474460
> sorry, i wasnt speaking about other cuisines, i was only speaking about italian "cuisine"
This is not an example that is good for your cause since most of the cheeses used in the presence of tomatoes are cheeses that have been aged for many months.
because i dont know the specific recipe > somebodies nonno used, how am i meant to know which exact recipe you are referencing when the same name is used for multiple recipes?
So you admit to being completely oblivious to the topic but continue to write bullshit?
> the simple matter of the fact is they are, youre trying to apply the broad brush of americanized chinese food to all of china
Again, not american. I have been to china a couple of time for my just, but it was years ago
How many times have you been to china?

> sorry, but i dont speak every language on earth,
You should learn the name of some dishes, at least you don't look like a clown when asked about those cuisines

> lol im sorry you dont like my opinion that italian "food" is just not as good as most people think it is
It's your opinion that is not as good as you think, when you are asked to be specific you slip into objective incorrectness by your own metrics of uniqueness.
> it's only my opinion though, i hope thats okay with you.
There is nothing wrong with having a shitty opinion, the point is to keep it to yourself when it is pointed out to you, and given your inexperience on the subject you are on the peak of the mountain of stupidity

> i just dont remember the names of those dishes is all, i dont know what else to tell you
That you were retarded you had already admitted it, just avoid posting next time

>>17468381
Because faggots use dialect from Final Fantasy in their ebonics

ENTRAR
COMIDA MEXICANA

>>17474495
no its actually a problem for italian "cuisine". thats the entire premise of my first post.

because i dont know the exact recipe youre referencing you think this is reason enough to say im wrong? sorry, but this is just silly. of course im not going to know the exact recipe youre referencing, because i am obviously not you. come on, this is really grasping at straws.

let me make it a bit more clear for you then: any food that claims to be chinese while it isnt actually chinese food. im not sure where you are from, all i know is that it is not china.

i dont think anyone doubts this, only you. its very easy to find these dishes if you truly wanted to know what they are. im not going to play your game of trying to derail this conversation though, which i have already indulged you in enough: which is the fact that italian "cuisine" is lacklustre at best and boring and bland at worst. you are trying to deflect from what you know is a glaring flaw, which is the entirety of italian "cuisine" itself.

trippa all romana? trippa alla fiorentina? they look basically the same to me. im sure there are "foods" that are more traditional to certain regions in italy, but that's about it. matter of the fact is, italy has been a homogenous country for a long time compared to china, and after the tomato was introduced, their "food" really took a hit.

no, it doesnt just dilute the flavour of the tomato, it dilutes the flavour of the entire "dish". this is a fact. its why so much of italian "cuisine" is almost exclusively tomato and cheese featuring some sort of wheat.

>>17474507
it does dilute the flavour of the "dish". you can claim it does not, but it does, that is the fact of the matter. you can claim it is only adding sweetness, but that is wrong. it dilutes the flavour, it is as simple as that.

chinese food has nothing to do with the bleakness of italian "cuisine". im not sure why you so desperately try to bring up other kinds of food when it comes to italian "cuisine".

>>17474529
it doesnt matter what kinds of cheeses are used in the presence of tomato, because the fact they are paired together is what dilutes the dish. it turns it from something that COULD have been good, which it is now not, by pairing those two foods together. it does not matter how long the cheese has been aged.

no, the matter of the fact is i do not know the exact recipes you are referencing. somebodies nonno might have used an ingredient somebody elses nonno did not use in their arancini. theres probably someone out there that claims it is not an authentic arancini if it includes saffron, while there are some that do, are you beginning to understand?

ive been to china twice 5 years ago and visited 4 different regions in total, they each have very unique food.

>>17474529
i dont need to know the names of dishes from china when i am talking about italian "cuisine" lol

no, my opinion is correct. the matter of the fact is, when i am talking about italian "cuisine" if you have to try compare it to foods from other parts of the world instead of being able to simply back up what it is you say, then italian "cuisine" doesnt stand very strongly on its own now does it? its becoming more and more obvious what a farce italian "cuisine" is the more i speak to you lol.

no, you might think my opinion is wrong, but so far it has only been shown that it is correct, especially as you begin doing your best to speak less and less on the topic of italian "food"

sorry i dont remember the name of every dish ive eaten, its not something im interested in doing. i simply ate the food and it was good, better than italian "food".

>>17474515
mmmm, proper italian "food". wheat, cheese, tomato.

>>17474776
>all those replies
Dunno what your deal is, stop being such an autist. Nobody is going to read you sperging out for 300 replies.
Bolognes is a meat sauce btw.

>>17475099
all im saying is that italian "food" really isnt that great, the vast majority of it is based off of wheat, tomato and cheese. it tastes very bland and boring, and i believe is nothing for italians to be proud of.

>>17475170
Not true. Italy is a peninsula after all, aren’t you forgetting seafood? In any case, of course wheat is going to be a staple. Why do you think rice is a staple in east Asia? It’s a grain, and peasants cant afford to subsist on meat alone. The same goes for cheese and dairy. Every single cuisine has its staple ingredients, mainly based around what was traditionally available. If you think Italian food is bland and boring, you need to broaden your horizons. The average Italian household does not eat spaghetti and meatballs and pizza every night.

Italian food is popular in almost every country, anyways. They’re doing something right.

>>17475212
the italian "food" which is seafood is generally better quality than their "food" which doesnt feature seafood. it's harder to fit the unholy trinity of wheat, tomato and cheese into seafood, fortunately.

i understand wheat and dairy is a staple, but that doesnt excuse them from pairing it with tomato so often. it just makes up too much of their "cuisine" and it makes it boring in return.

the reason its so popular is because it is based off of wheat, tomato and cheese. they blend together and create an agreeable yet boring basis for the majority of their "cuisine".

there's nothing "wrong" with italian "cuisine", but it is just very boring and not all that good is what im saying. they are free to eat whatever they like, the same way i am free to express my opinion that their "cuisine" is mostly bland and boring.

>>17468381
italian food is just creative poorfag gruel desu

>>17468381
Anything that uses tomatoes is American.
Cope harder Rometards.

>>17475298
“You” are simply wrong and a tastelet. You only think tomato sauce is “paired” with “pasta” so often because “that” is what is “popular” outside of “Italy”. You have little to no “understanding” of Italian cuisine and yet you pass “judgement” as if you are some “authority” with the most retarded take in “existence”.

>>17475212
>YouGov
Post disregarded.

>>17475514
no, i am correct. it's also the reason why that pairing is so popular as a childrens food, it is very bland and not very exciting, yet very agreeable, part of what makes italian "food" so appealing to a lot of people, as you see in this picture

>>17475212

the images that were posted earlier in this thread has given me enough of an insight honestly. i dont think i need to know much more.

it's just a mark of a lazy, uninspired, boring chef to feature dairy or tomato in so many of their dishes, it just ruins them honestly.

this website is literally just contrarian for the sake of it

>>17475684
It's just one retard who keeps posting

>>17475684
im not sure if you're trying to reference me or not, but if you are, i dont mean to be a contrarian, i just find it baffling how italian "cuisine" is well regarded at all, besides for the fact that it is so middling and boring, so naturally it appeals in that way to a broad amount of people i suppose

>>17476366
once again dont know if you're trying to reference me or not, but if you are, i am not retarded.

>>17469299
omelets and charcuterie can certainly be dishes you nigger

>>17468418
pizza was not worth eating until new yorkers refined it

>>17468381
>Pizza
Turkish.
>Spaghetti
Like the million other unoriginal noodle dishes this is Chinese and Asiatic.
>Caprese
Cheese and rabbit food? Thanks Italy.
>Carpaccio
Raw beef? Wow real original.
>Ciabatta
Bread...yeah.
>Tiramisu
Japanese inspired by French.

>>17478034
>rabbit food?
> not liking vegetables and fruits
this place is for big boy only

>>17477769
>i am not retarded.
I read all your answer and boy, for whatever reason you are posting, you are.

>>17477769
> so naturally it appeals in that way to a broad amount of people i suppose
Do you mean like the chinese? make up your mind cretin

>>17478168
sorry but you are wrong

>>17478170
most people dont know what real chinese is so you cant really go off of that chart.

>>17478469
> most people dont know what real chinese is so you cant really go off of that chart.
That would also happen for italian cuisine, doesn't it?

>>17468499
based, wot is this though?

>>17469118
Wtf name five (5) Italian dishes that are actually good and not just pasta and toppings, including sauce

>>17478834
it depends on your taste. Anyway
> gelato
> tiramisu
> ribollita
> branzino al cartoccio
> insalata caprese

>>17478687
Spaghetti and oil for sure.
The reddish powder could be bottarga which is dried eggs (not precisely eggs) of tuna or of the flathead grey mullet

>>17468381
Damn I thought this was an Italian food thread, not someone sperging over how much better Chinese food is.

My personal favorites are puttanesca and caprese.

>>17478834
if you don't like dessert in the list for whatever reasons
> cassoula
> eggplant parmigiana
if rice it's ok for you
> saffron risotto
> tiella barese

>>17478890
He's salty to italian for personal reasons, just ignore him

>>17478551
no, because the majority of italian "cuisine" IS made up of wheat, cheese and tomato

>>17479002
> trust me bro

>>17479002
>he hasn’t had a simple dish of fresh made linguine, perfectly ripe burst tomatoes, fragrant basil, a drizzle of newly pressed olive oil and a few shaves of local aged parmesan

If you think the flavors of wheat, tomato and cheese are boring then you’re eating shit quality ingredients. The beauty of simple food is that it highlights the natural flavors of the ingredients. A vine ripened tomato picked within the hour tastes vastly different from one you’d find at a grocery store. Perhaps your taste buds are fried from too much Chinese spices.

>>17468671
>No spaghetti and meatballs!
>pic isn't even spaghetti

>>17468381
It's pronounced...broo-skeht-uh

>>17469166
I tried this way back expecting sour-bitter alchohol but holy shit it's just so sweet-bitter.
It's like a woman was the mixer today.

>>17480478
> shit it's just so sweet-bitter.
Yes, all the italian booze made with fruit/vegetable infusion is sweet and "summery"
Pic related is the equivalent made with wild fennel leaves, which I strongly suggest to try if you don't mind sweet booze

Then there are the "amari" which are very bitter liqueur made generally with officinal herbs. There's no inbeween I guess

>>17480503
>Yes, all the italian booze made with fruit/vegetable infusion is sweet and "summery"
A shame. I really feel like lemon could make a good bitter.

>>17480478
btw limoncello is just lemon rinds infused in alcohol and then adjusted with water and sugar
You can make it as sweet as you want, what's matter is just rind/alcohol ratio and infusion time
Use as much water and sugar to your liking. Making it at home it's super easy and requires only waiting 3 days for the infusion + 1 day in the fridge

>>17480518
>>17480519
There's no fermentation involved, sugar is optional

>>17480345
sorry, but it's just a very boring and uninspired combination. the dairy dilutes the flavour of the entire dish just to accompany the tomato. what are you left with? not very much at all. as i have said before, it is just boring and very middle of the road: the entire dish is reduced to a boring amalgamation of those 3 ingredients.

>>17480641
>the dairy dilutes the flavor of the dish
Then it’s shitty dairy. Are you actually just a Chinese guy seething over people who can eat lactose?

>>17468381
>Italy a best
>Here's an infographic with a bunch of new world (AMERICAN) ingredients
Do Europeans really?

>>17469192
Chinese is just dogs, noodles, and soy sauce.

>>17481315
an Italian physics professor researched when "Italian food" came to mean what it means today, almost all New World ingredient-based dishes with cheese and meat

he concluded that modern "Italian food" absolutely did not exist until around 1900, evidence like travel journals from before that time almost without exception refer to Italian food as by far the worst, least-developed, most awful in all of Europe

>>17481264
No that's all dairy, that's simply what dairy does. It's why people add it to their dishes, because they don't like something they've made, or they simply don't know how to make something.

It's rich, meaty, nice consistency, filling, great mix of savory, salty, sour and a little spicy. It's everything I want in food.

>>17468671
Doesn't spaghetti have to be a certain type of noodle? That looks like linguine with sauce, fake cheese, and a couple meatballs.

>>17481702
That's not really different from some other cuisines. Many lndian and Thai dishes also use a lot of potato, tomato, and other things that only existed in the Americas before 1500. Even the spices they are so famous for are cultivars of something uItimately originating in Mexico and brought over by Europeans.
What did they eat before 1900?

>>17468524
All your food is disgusting bastardisations of perfectly good food.

>They measured their American lives against remembered Italian scarcity. A laborer who came to the United States from near Milan, said that back home his family had been “forced to raise their own vegetables and could afford very little meat… were too poor to buy wine.” In San Francisco, on a slim salary earned in a tile factory, he bought imported rice, “antipasto, wine,” and meat, which he ate in his “roomy, comfortable kitchen.” A “miner from Girgenti,” now a California packing house worker, brushed off the question of Italy versus America. “Forget it,” he told Radin, “there is no comparison.” There he had been fed “the regulation rations of the poor Italians.” In America, he “has all he wants to eat… America is a great country and no matter how bad things go, is still a great country.” The packing-house worker, once a miner, recounted what he had eaten in Italy in a passive voice. His fare had been rationed to him, grudgingly meted out to at his class position. But he extolled his American present with active verbs emphasizing personal choice and individual tastes.

https://italianjournal.it/the-bread-is-soft-italian-foodways-american-abundance/

>>17483548
>“In America,” wrote Rosolino, “il pane è molle, ma la vita è dura” (bread is soft, but life is hard).
This could be a translation error, "soft" referred to bread should have been "morbido"

In food context "molle" is a dispregiative term, and should be translated as "flabby, limp" lol

Who made the article lol?