/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>hawaiian pizza
>canada
Lol really, that's wack!

fartons lmao

>>18627029
None of that is surprising at all. I don't think anyone would consider those foods "traditional cuisine".

>>18627029
hahahaha fartons

and it looks like breadsticks covered in jizz too

>>18627029
i dunno if i believe that salmon sushi didn't exist until 1980 lol

>>18627029
Donner kebab is just a fucking gyro, why does Eurotrash act like this is an exclusive thing to Germany and UK?

>>18627029
Can't believe the Italians invented bread in 1980s.

>>18627029
>>18627130
I'm surprised by ciabatta being so recent, I just assumed it was older than that

>>18627029
That bubble tea shit is from the 80s? I thought it was some zoomer fad drink invented like 5 years ago

>>18627177
Gyros, shawarma, doner, and al pastor are all pretty much the same thing

>>18627029
America has nothing if you don't count first gen immigrants.They didn't even invent the cheeseburger.

>>18627029
Ciabatta was really invented in 1982?

>>18627029
do they really eat farts in spain?

>>18627320
yeah some pastanigger was jealous of baguettes and "invented" an italian equivalent

>>18627029
You can add swiss cheese fondue to this.

Spanish people disgust me

>>18627029
FARDONS

>>18627276
Bubble tea has been around for a while, but you must've missed when there was a big push to make it more popular in like 2010. That wave didn't get nearly as far as this new one within the last four years (probably because of kpop fans all drinking that shit)

Fartons? Tigernuts? I swear Wikipedia is trolling me.

>>18627301
By that logic everything is pretty much the same.

>>18627424
Yes

>>18627029
nothing will part me from my beloved apple crumble

>>18627029
Wait I thought whyte ppl didn't season dey food. Where's the bbc inventions?

>>18627029
Pizza Hawaii was invented in Canada?

>>18627461
They invented putting hot sauce in cup of noodles

>>18627130
Americans have no culture so they consider anything that is more than 10 years old "traditional cuisine". That's the only way they can claim to have any traditional foods (e.g. Kraft singles and Oreo milkshakes).

*farts on u*
haha just making fartons bro

>>18627029
General Tso's chicken is from Taiwan. Would rather have buffalo chicken in its place.

>>18627472
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40230407

>>18627153
I think the Japanese didn't use local salmon because of parasites. Once clean, farmed Norwegian salmon was available, they started to make salmon out of it.

>>18627029
Pleb garbage, all of it. I only eat time tested culinary delicacies which existed prior to industrial revolution.

>>18627153
What is annoying me the most is that in the pic is not even a true sushi. So I can't trust American education about this.

>>18627029
>fartons

>>18627049
>>18627148
>>18627328
>>18627371
>>18627378
>>18627503
>>18627632
It’s when you fart on a crouton for extra flavour. A real Spanish delicacy.

>>18627153
I think it's been proven that salmon sushi was a thing before, just not widely commercially available. Norway spent a lot of resources trying to get a foothold in the fish market in Japan in the 1980s which successfully made it a hit.
T. Norwiener

>>18627029
Why are the British contributions so good bros?

>>18627029

>fartons

oh holy shit

>>18627177
poorfag gr**k detected. cope while the krauts STEAL "your food" as you pay back your debts lmao@you

>chocolat fondant
I thought that was a lava cake, but by God is that heavenly. It's so fucking good you don't believe it, like an one higher upgrade from mudcake. And this comes from someone, who thinks sweets and desserts are for kids, women and faggots.

>>18627479
even on /ck/ you remain obsessed

>>18627029
FARTONS

>Spanish braphog offers me fartons

Wut do

>>18627479
rent free euroshit

Literally the only ones I didn't know were recent-ish are crumble, sticky toffee pudding and tartiflette. Especially crumble. It's such a basic bitch dessert (and my go-to, IIBH), I'm having a hard time believing that it's not far, far older than that.

>>18627274
lol
I remember when it just exploded everywhere in Italy (early 90s). I remember some programme or other interviewing some guy repping Italian bakers. He said that ciabatta was created in reaction to baguettes growing so popular in Italy in recent years (I never had or saw one growing up, 2bh; the local baker just made "peasant bread" IE no-knead sourdough, which is still my preferred style to this day).
I was a kid and I didn't give much of a fuck about it but it's weird what memories stick with you.

>>18627529
No. Invented by a Taiwanese guy in America.

>>18627543
>the japanese make salmon out of salmon
Truly, a brilliant people.

>>18627618
>sashimi is not true sushi
What the fuck are you talking about

>fartons

>America
>Orange fool

>>18627029
Little surprised about General Tso''s. I figured it would be from the 50s.

>>18627029
Lmao'ing at dark haired ones

>>18627029
none of these are surprising unless you're retarded

>>18628149
I'm pretty sure that includes Swedes since you're all muslim by now

>>18628182
You're honestly not surprised by apple crumble potentially being younger than the US president?

>>18628182
Hawaiian pizza was surprising to me but I guess we can't all be Jimmy Newton

>>18627029
Nachos, fajitas, chimichangas, modern burritos, and most of the best Mexican food was invented in America or for the American market. The "Mexican" food that the world loves so much is really just Americanized Mexican food and it beats traditional Mexican food by a mile.

>>18628212
>yeah yeah yeah america woooo yeah woo hoo USA USA USA yeaaaah!! USA !!!

>>18628182
>>18627130
Please explain, in detail, why someone would be retarded not to know that uramaki was invented in the United States in the 1960s or that salmon nigiri was invented in the 1980s by Norwegians. Oh, that's right, you can't, you're just a faggot that loves hearing yourself talk.

>>18627029
>1960's

>>18628238
you're a moron
read a book

>>18627276
nah its always been a thing, but 120k/year officecuck hipsters in the cities rotate constantly between "current 5-year long fad"
before boba tea it was pho (hipster ramen)
before that it was sushi

>>18627049

Why didn't nips do salmon sushi?

>>18629667
No salmon in their country.

>>18629691
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna40678793
their local salmon species was overfished and thought to be extinct.

>>18628238
Come on it's pretty obvious uramaki are not traditional food just by looking at them. I bet you think creme cheese on sushi is traditional too

>>18627378
>fartons look like poo logs
bros

"Foods that feel older than they are"
If anything some of this shit I assumed was way more recent. The Italian stuff you might be able to convince me is older than it really is but if you told me Bubble Tea was from the 90s I'd believe you.

Chicken Tikka Masala is Indian

>>18629771
Okay but it was made by a dog in a barn so it's a horse food.

>>18627029
Salmon sushi mogs tuna 90% of the time and I'm tired of pretending tuna is superior

>>18629460
>its always been a thing
So Jesus was sipping on bubble tea?

>>18627029
you'd be surprised
when chinese people came over to build our railways and dig gold, they brought over a lot of their cooking techniques with them, during that time, the common American household only knew how to boil, bake, roast, fry, or broil food, and their idea of seasoning food was salt, pepper, some other sweet things for cakes and pastries

>>18627029
can you really invent sushi beyond the concept of putting raw fish on rice, which I assume the japs came up with

if I discover a new species of fish, did I reinvent sushi by cutting that fish up and putting it on rice? This just seems like bullshit

I was always told the carbonara was invented by the carbonari in the 1800s and always assumed it true.
The more you know I guess.

>>18630260
maxmoefoe?

>>18627543
But some ancient Japs must have tried it...

>>18627378
>fartons
>look like shit logs
>made for dipping in tigernuts
my sides

>>18627029
>fart
>ons

>>18630311
Cooking techniques yes, just salt and pepper no. There were plenty of spices, mace, ginger, nutmeg, etc and they were used plenty for savory as well as sweet foods

>>18627029
>just 2-3 dishes
>"culinary cultures" don't exist!
Woah it's like modern people like relatively modern food, also some of these are 70-90 years old that's enough generations to be considered classic dishes.

>>18627029
>ciabatta
>1982
really?

>>18627029
a surprising lack of East Asian dishes
I guess they really were more culinarily advanced compared to the west

>>18627029
Farton deez nuts lmao

>>18628212
Nachos were born in Mexico and so have burritos, dumbass

>>18628212
It's called TexMex food anon

>>18627029
No fucking way mongolian barbecue is that recent

>>18631580
There's mongolian barbecue
and then there's Mongolian Barbecue

>>18631580
I had the opposite reaction. I'm surprised it's that old.

>>18627618
> in the pic is not even a true sushi

bro, it's literally raw fish on rice. sushi doesn't more "true" than that

>>18629710
>it's pretty obvious uramaki are not traditional food just by looking at them.

no, it's not. maybe it's "obvious" for incel weebs, but given how widespread it is at literally every sushi restaurant, they seem pretty fucking traditional. for fuck's sake, unless you're an actual boomer, you have never lived in a time without them existing.

>>18631591
cooking meat before eating is is several hundred thousand years old

Who cares, it’s all derivative. Just like art

Norway invented sushi, deal with it.

>>18631640
ur mom is derivative of ur grandma lole

ciabatta bread fucking sucks.
dry ass bread

>>18631630
Sure is. But not mongolian barbecue buffet.

Tartiflette's wrong.

>>18631650
>coomer
Opinion discarded

>>18631654
I guess I'm just confused as to what counts as mongolian barbecue

>>18627029
None of this is traditional cuisine. Fucking mutts man.

>>18630311
The Irish built the railroads.

>>18628238
The japanese are autistic on a cultural level, someone making sushi inside out would be executed on the spot before world war II.

Their collectivist autism basically means you have to be the right person in the right place at the right time for people to accept innovation, if you choose wrong even if you have the best invention ever you get shunned.

>>18631702
The Japanese have been aligning themselves with the West since 19th century. They've been open to change, for quite some thyme.

>>18631729
Anon the picture you posted is from a movie based around a civil war japan fought over the concept of accepting gaijin innovation.

>>18631746
They've been Westernizing for a good 150 years.

>>18631682
The mongolian barbecue buffet as developed by the Taiwanese counts as mongolian barbecue. Boodog and similar dishes originating in Mongolia are Mongolian barbecue, but do not count as mongolian barbecue (note the use or lack of capitalisation).

>>18631765
TWNBAW(esterner)

>>18631786
Does the Japanese fashion imply they are resistant to innovation?

>>18627049
Literally "let's fart" in French

>>18627029
>La recette de la tartiflette aurait été inventée dans les années 1980 par le Syndicat interprofessionnel du reblochon pour favoriser les ventes du reblochon5. Cette idée est démentie en 2014 par la directrice du même syndicat
>Cette idée est démentie en 2014 par la directrice du même syndicat
Literally a fake chart.

>>18627357
Fondue is centuries old

>>18627887
>>18627964
lmao I was just baiting, amerisharts. Usually I get more (you)'s for those posts.

>>18627130
>don't think anyone would consider those foods "traditional cuisine".
Have you not seen any of the literally thousands of threads we've had where Italians REEEEEE about Carbonara?

>>18627029
>tartiflette
>piling potato slices into a pan with fat was invented in the '80s
the irish call it pan haggerty

>>18627276
We've had stores selling those in the late 90s, and I live in SEA.

>>18634068
is it seen like as a Taiwanese thing over there too?
or is it very localized so people just assume that they came up with them

>>18627049

>>18633091
No and neither have you. I've seen posts, like yours, where people say Italians REEE about carbonara, but I've never seen any Italians actually REEEing about carbonara.

>>18627049
spanish niggas eatin farts

>>18627618
>nigirizushi isn't sushi
okay

>>18627029
>salmon sushi was invented in Norway in the 1980s
I call bullshit.

>>18634425
it is bullshit
https://youtu.be/1k4x9FrD5k4

>>18627029
the only ones I thought were older were Ciabatta, carbonara, and salmon sushi, and maybe carpaccio considering I've never heard of it before.

>>18629460
Pho wasn't even invented as hipster ramen. It was invented by locals to sell to the French colonists in French Indochina.

>>18629667
They do have salmon sushi. It just isn't the default type after red tuna like it is in America.

>>18627029
>Hawaiian pizza is canadian
TIL

>Blended iced coffee is from the 1980s
Feels newer. Feels 2004.

>Ciabatta is 1982
Fucking excuse me?

>>18627177
>kebab is just a fucking gyro
Other way around faggot, gyro is just a döner. Döner first, in the Ottoman empire, then spreading as Gyro to Greece (Which was also Ottoman) and as Shawarma to Arabia (Which was also Ottoman)

>>18628085
Well fuck, if you're still in Italy say "thank you" to a baker for me (preferably one that's 60 years old so he could have actually been around for this)

Also please export focaccia, everything I can buy here that is labelled focaccia is garbage.

>>18634328
>No and neither have you
Here, watch some Italian chefs reeeee about carbonara, then go fuck yourself with an egg/parmesan slurry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnZ_70XyVAk

>>18631859
there's nothing innovative about dressing up in the clothes kids in the 80's wore

>>18628088
Invented by a hunanese guy in america. He made it as a modification of hunan food to suit american pallets

To me the surprising ones were only ciabatta and tiramisu

>>18635332
Seeing as you can't spell for shit, I'm gonna go with Taiwanese over Hunanese for this. It tastes more Taiwanese, anyway IE sweetened to high shit and back and almost completely devoid of any actual heat.

>>18635025
>youtube
That's not the /threads we've had/, now is it? And one YT video is hardly "literally thousands of posts." Nice try, tho. Shame it was a failed one.

>>18627029
>The German currywurst and donnerkebab
Not fooling me with those fecal brahp snacks. Traditional German cuisine is above that.

>>18627029
That Carbonara listing is almost certainly wrong.
Maybe the name, 'Carbonara' only dates to the 40s, but pasta in egg sauce is literally ancient.
>https://www.seriouseats.com/pasta-cacio-e-uovo-vegetarian-carbonara
>https://ricette.giallozafferano.it/Pasta-cacio-e-ova.html
Cacio e ova is basically 'carbonara' without the pork meat, instead using lard, and it is easily documented going back centuries. A Roman version with added bacon/guanciale directly that would later be given the name 'Carbonara' would have certainly existed for at least hundreds of years.

>>18631952
>i'm not obsessed, i do this all the time!

>>18627479
This

>>18635651
>t. knows literally nothing
My gf is from china you dumb nigger. General tso's is not from taiwan

>>18636348
kek, I'll trust americans over a china girl

>>18633091
No one is reeing about muh tradition, they're reeing that retards are butchering it by adding cream and 30 other ingredients that fuck up a simple dish.

>>18627320
ive lived in italy for a year and ive yet to see "ciabatta" bread
think its more popular abroad than here

>>18635973
It wasn't listed in a recipe book by a very extensive recipe collector in 1930's, so it is safe to assume carbonara as it is didn't exist after WW2. But it's definitely similar to some older things.

>acid
>salt
>fat
>heat

every culture uses these things to cook their food and it is impossible to make anything taste good without them

https://youtu.be/jv99qEOM5sA

>>18627276
It used to be basically just in taiwan

I mean does it matter that a dishl is only 40 years old if it's really good? Everything's new at some point.

>>18636481
The only difference between carbonara and older Cheese and Egg pasta is the direct addition of cured pork in addition to the fat, rather than just using the fat.
I can imagine that it was passed over simply for being not particularly different than other dishes. Not having a distinct name, potentially, and just being another version of egg sauce.
I've had/made 'poverty carbonara' that exclude the cured pork entirely and use just some lard from on its own, such a pasta dish is basically identical to cacio e ova. I'd imagine a lot of Roman peasants did much the same.

Perhaps it had a 'rebirth' in the face of American occupation and increased access to military ration pork, and got a new name, or a repurposed name from somewhere else, but I can't imagine any reason to believe that it was invented during that period.

>>18627029
Haha fartons
Haha

>>18627049
They're called "fartons" because they look like breadsticks after Elton John has taken a "farton" them

>>18627352
Frogs btfo by made up bread

>>18627479
Wisdom.
Americans will seethe to hell and back.

>>18628212
Lmao no

They are from northern mexico, the country is large and has many styles.

And taco bell is nothing compared to the average street taco seller in CDMX

>>18629667
that it was nip salmon being parasite ridden.

>>18636348
>china
Of course she would lie, then. That's their default setting.

>>18627479
America has the best culture that’s why you’re here posting in English on an American website nobody cares about 500 years ago “we defeated the mongols in 1297” did ya grandpa now go watch some Hollywood produced movie and cry about it on another American website like YouTube or Twitter

>>18627636
Reddit tier reply. get the FUCK out of my board! NOW!

>>18638889
>tier
you have to go back

im spanish and eat fartons dunked in tiger nut milk, it actually originates from my region. idgaf suck on my farton niggers.

>>18627029
I know that was a deliberate choice to put the Republic of China's flag for those dishes and it's abjectly hilarious

>>18635985
>t.

>>18637138
Thats creative ill give you that

>>18639762
what?

>>18627029
I would absolutly never have thought of bubble tea as something ancient, i'm surprised to hear it's that old even

>nobody except india in the 1950's ever though of putting chicken and butter together
uh uh

>>18634328
There's one itt right now, faggot >>18636468
>Aieeeee the sanctity of muh recipe that's actually younger than my own nonna
Cringe

>>18627177
>>18627301
gyros and doner taste very different I assure you. It might be alot of overlapping ingredients but they couldn´t taste more different if they tried.

>>18627029
>Canada invented Hawaiian food
>Taiwan invented Mongolian food
>Britain invented Indian food
>Norwegians invented Japanese food
>Americans invented Japanese food (again), Chinese food, and Italian food
Are chefs just geographically retarded?

>>18627029
...what's butter chicken taste like anyway?

>>18629667
shitskins are not creative people, even if creativity in question entails raw fish.

fartons are literally doughnuts in stick form.
funny name aside, they taste good enough, though I've never dipped them in horchata before.

>>18641200
Creamy/buttery tomato and spice in thick gravy with chicken

>>18641194
Based retard

> Canada invented pinapple on Pizza
True
> Mongolian BBQ
Yeah, they dont really have BBQ in Mongolia.
> Indian food inveted by Brittish
Yeah since they dont have thoose dishes in their native country.
>Norwegian Sushi
Well yeah, the salmon variety atleast. It wasnt popular in japan at all at first.

>>18627130
Yeah right, except for the American ones right? Not Italy, not Germany, not France, only those with the US flags are traditional cuisines for that country.

>>18627049
KEK

>>18638940
>im spanish and eat fartons dunked in tiger nut milk, it actually originates from my region. idgaf suck on my farton niggers.
(1) What's it like?

(2) Tiger Nut Milk come on now that can't be real

>>18641170
>gyros and doner taste very different I assure you. It might be alot of overlapping ingredients but they couldn´t taste more different if they tried.

Yeah because gyros are often pork and the turks who make döner would never use pork.

Apart from that, gyros, döner and shawarma are all just names for the same technique (Stack meat on a turnspit, then turn the turnspit, hence the name: Döner first, in Turkey, which spread into Greece as gyros and into Arabia as shawarma. All three are just the local word for "turn")

>>18642183
Saying gyros is different from döner is like saying roast is different from rôtissage.

>>18642183
>everything using the same technique is the same

>>18637138
lmao