/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>is this food processed?
>like, does it have sodium?

just don't eat so much.

No it isn't, it is actually cheaper. Don't be difficult and lazy, that is the downfall of today's American youth. Get some self confidence, want to make better choices for yourself like eating better, and enjoy finding really delicious food that you can make for your self that is healthy.
A whole chicken costs about four dollars:
1 whole chicken (4-5 pounds)
1 large lemon
1 tsp mixed dried herbs
2 tsp olive oil
Preparation:

Preheat oven to 375 degrees. Remove giblets and set aside for gravy or stock if you wish. Rinse chicken with cold water and pat dry.
Place chicken breast side up on a rack in a roasting pan. Cut lemon in half. Place one half inside the cavity of the chicken. Tie the legs together with twine if you like (I usually don't bother).

Squeeze the juice from the remaining half lemon into a small bowl. Add herbs and olive oil and stir together. Brush the bird with lemon and herb mixture, then place chicken uncovered in preheated oven.

Roast for approximately 90 minutes, depending on weight of the bird, basting occasionally. Allow 20 minutes per pound plus an extra 20 minutes on top. When you cut into the bird the juices should run clear and the joints should be easy to move around.

brown baggin, bilbo faggins

>working in a grocery store blues general

Having lardass mccheeseburger lecture you about how they are too poor to shop at whole foods and that's why they bought 10 frozen pizzas and 3 12 packs of coke for a week becomes infuriating after the first customer.

>i can't eat that, it has high fructose corn syrup
>here, try this cane sugar liquorice i bought at trader joe's

>>3731644
>i can't eat that, it has high fructose corn syrup

>here, try this organic agave nectar filled toaster pastry I bought at Whole Foods

dried beans, rice, vegetables, fruit, that shit is all cheap you retardo

>>3731632
>4$
>cheap

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>>3731686
>>3731664
>>3731632

>>3731618
>fresh fruit
>fresh vegetables
>expensive

No.

but nigger semen is free

>dad thinks cilantro is good for his health
>smell of cilantro overpowers everything else in spice cabinet
>puts cilantro in everything
>many a dinner ruined because he put too much fucking cilantro in it
>mfw

>>3731664
What is strange about this is that I have heard and read multiple very reliable sources have COMPLETELY different statements about HFCS vs. more natural sugars.
e.g. the lead endocronologist at UCSF (prestigious medical university) says there is no nutritional or health difference. Countless study abstracts say the opposite. Somebody help me figure this shit the fuck out!

>>3731723
>too much cilantro

>>3731723
interesting that yfw on /ck/ could also be a fucking itt on /d/

>>3731733
HFCS is approximately 50/50 fructose/glucose

Table sugar is sucrose, which is precisely 50/50 fructose/glucose and is readily broken down into such.

Biochemically they're almost identical.

IIRC, fructose raises triglyceride levels more than glucose, but you are unlikely to encounter pure glucose in nature.

Sugar is sugar is sugar. It still makes you fat if you eat too much of it and destroys your adrenal system.

HFCS is incidentally a tell-tale sign of high processing and hence a paucity of micronutrients, but that's just a rule of thumb and replacing HFCS with sugar in a recipe (e.g. "Mexican" coke) shouldn't make it somehow less bad for you.

>>3731751
im not concerned about the health aspects because i rarely drink soda or eat sugary foods. but normal sugar tastes alot better to me than hfcs

>americans get sugar from corn instead of beets and cane
they probably clap afterwards too

>>3732747
>euros think there's a difference

>>3732756
They taste different. The best way to show people this is to get three cans of coca cola. One manufactured in the US, one manufactured in Europe, and one manufactured in another country such as Australia. They all taste completely different, and the only different ingredient is the kind of sugar they use.
The beet sugar can usually has the least sickly sugariness, and you can taste the bitter carbonatedness. The cane one is a midway. The corn syrup based coke however, most people who were not used to the taste found sickly both in taste and smell, and found it hard to drink more than a sip.

University friends and I performed a blind taste test with over 20000 participants, and those are the results we got.
So, yes, I'd say there was a difference.
And for the record, I am not from Europe.

>>3732771
60000 cans of coke? Lol

There's almost nothing in the foodiverse that makes me rage as much as OP's statement. When I hear that, I go from 0 to 60 on the anger scale in 1.2 seconds. I become a volcano of rage. Someday, someone, somewhere is going to make me stroke out by uttering that sentence.

>>3732771

They use different water too, though I don't disagree with sugars tasting different.

>>3732771
that sounds like a thing that would be documented

do you have a link?

>>3733500

That image is troll bait like you wouldn't believe.

Yes the calories are different, yes the prices are slightly off... but the idea is the same.

Get rid of the milk, add celery, and replace the bacon with smoked pork necks. It should be cheaper and you'll get more uses out of the celery (freeze for stock).

Used to eat that exact meal everyday.

>drinking soda with cane sugar instead of corn syrup

Wait, what the fuck are you doing drinking soda in the first place? You're a grown ass man for christs' sake!

>>3732756
Corn sugar - Glucose
Beet sugar and sugarcane - Sucrose
It's not the same sugar

People seem to not factor time, and water, and gas into the equation. Fast food comes out to be cheaper unfortunately. Price per calorie and time is cheaper with fast food than with non-fast food. If people get down from their high horses and accept this, then we can start trying to figure out a way to get healthy food to poor people.

>>3733580
I don't have a water bill and the gas needed to roast a chicken would probably cost less than a dollar.

>>3731618
Get a job.

Live healthier.

>>3733580

So driving through someplace everyday is cheaper than grocery shopping a few times a month?

I'm afraid that people are fat asses and don't want to do what is necessary.

It's not hard to cook rice and beans, and portion/freeze meat and thaw it as needed.

If by water you mean doing dishes, then might I introduce you to the Crockpot? Cuts down on time and dishes.

If you are too dumb to put your health before your wallet, you deserve to die a fatass death.

I would give up my phone, internet, vehicle, luxury goods, etc. before I eat like a pig.

The funny part is, lots of fags that complain about being too poor to eat like a normal human being often drink, smoke, play video games, etc.

As somebody who practically lives on salad and water, I can assure you that eating healthily is NOT expensive. The only expensive part of my diet is the seafood and duck eggs. I eat a lot of duck eggs.

I am a rather poorly paid graduate student, have been for years, and I eat like a king compared to most people.

I don't understand it.

I rather spend a little more on things that are healthy, as it is worth it and I'll get more benefit out of it.

>>3733605
A million times this.

>>3733590
>>3733596

Im not saying that people shouldn't eat healthy. I am saying that it costs more to eat a higher quality of food...which is what OP was complaining about.

>>3733612
That's not true. Even if you aren't buying the highest quality vegetables and meats, you are still getting better nutrition by buying mediocre fresh or frozen veg and cheap lean meats, and beans and whole grains than you would be eating shit food.
People are spoilt and have no personal responsibility or willpower.

>>3733612
It really doesn't. Food prices are pretty fucking low in N. America. Just because fast food may appear cheaper doesn't mean you have to eat it.

That is just being a cheap son of a bitch. Most people can afford to spend an extra couple dollars buying their own ingredients and cooking a good meal.

It is laziness combined with being a cheap fast-food fag. It isn't like these people would starve if fast food didn't exist - they would learn to feed themselves on a budget. Like normal people on a strict budget do.

I live in the ghetto and we have every fast food place here within walking distance. The corner grocery store doesnt sell lettuce, but they do have ribs and BBQ chicken. If I want to go to a proper grocery store it is a 30 minute drive one way.

It is easier to be healthy when you are rich and live in a nice neighborhood. Why does that surprise people?

>>3733612
Op wasn't complaining its a troll thread. It's way cheaper to cook at home vs. eating fast food. These threads are weekly here. Pork shoulder is 99 cents a pound, chicken legs can be as cheap as 70 cents a pound.

>>3733633
>>3733641


So are you still trying to say that fast food isnt cheaper?

Again, I am not in support of fast food I am just saying it is a fallacy to say that fast food isn't cheaper than eating healthy.

>>3733635

Google Maps or GTFO. I want to see this for myself. I bet I can find a grocery store that sells fresh vegetables within walking distance.

>>3733643
Ten pounds of pulled pork for roughly ten dollars? 70 cent chicken legs? Of course cooking at home is cheaper. The last time I went to McDonald's I got a quarter pounder meal with one big Mac sandwich. It was $12.

I can make an entire roasted chicken, mashed potato, braised kale, with bruschetta app. or a dessert instead of an app. for 12$. There would be leftover chicken for tacos the next night.

>>3733643
Cooking in bulk at home is cheaper than fast food unless you live in an urban shithole with a dearth of grocery stores (and they do exist. if this is actually you, my sympathies) . Suburban people have basically no excuse.

>>3733635
See my health is so important to me that I would be willing to bike or take the bus to a grocery store to buy food.

Amazing, isn't it?

People went from traveling long distances to procure their own food to crying about how a grocery store isn't close enough.

lol grow up lazy kids

>>3733659
I live in PH Brooklyn. There are six large grocery stores within a five min walk, the number skyrockets as you widen the circle to 10-20 min walks.

>be PhD student
>make a ridiculously low salary (like $28k/year)
>work 8-12+ hours a day
>make amazing meals all the time, never rely on fast food

I must be doing something wrong

>>3733658

You can't make that meal for $12. No fucking way liar.

>>3733668

>low salary
>28k
>rich fag

Hey guys, HFCS is unhealthy because it contains mercury.
Cane sugar doesn't.

>>3733662

>does not understand probabilities and statistics

okay if I have $3 and nothing else what should I buy instead of Tacobell?

>>3733677

what b.s. HFCS doesn't contain mercury but it causes autism like this unfunny bitch's tard babby

And no mercury has ever been found in a sugar mine

>>3733674
Really? Wow thanks. I also have a dog, a vehicle, and my gf is out-of-work, so I'm supporting everyone.

When I was a MSc. student I made $12k in the summer and used that plus my lowly graduate student allowance and TA salary to survive and eat well.

It is more to do with how much do you care about eating well than is it possible. Because if you are resourceful and don't want to full back on McDonald's because "cooking takes too long and requires planning ahead", it is easy.

There is literally no excuse.

>>3733687

There is no barrier I agree, but the excuse is that it is harder and more expensive.

>>3733687

>thinks he works harder than a poor person

>>3731641
I hate when people think they need to shop at whole foods to be healthy.

>>3733670

I can't stand that faggot that you're replying to, but he's telling the truth. The taco ingredients wouldn't factor into the price.

>4 lb. roast chicken = $0.99/lb or $4 (on sale it's $0.70/lb)
>10 lbs. potatoes = $2.99
>I don't buy kale, but collard greens are $1 for a "bunch", let's call it two bunches, so $2
>2 lbs. frozen blueberries for a cobbler = $2
>total price = $11

Flour, salt, sugar, oil, baking soda, etc. are not included. It wouldn't raise the price by much.

>>3733500
I knew this dumb propaganda image would get posted, and there's two things wrong with it.

1. You can't buy that food in those exact amounts. Bacon is only sold in rashers, or 50 cents worth of rice, or 5 cents worth of salt.
2. That's not an accurate depiction of how poor people even eat. Sodas and combo meals are ridiculously overpriced. If I had to feed four people on a budget, I would probably get them each 2 things of the dollar menu, for a total of eight dollars, which comes out to less than even that ridiculously underpriced pinto beans and rice meal.

>>3733695
Well, I work 8-12+ hours a day, 6 days a week. I don't get paid for working more hours, it is just what I have to do.

>eat fast food because it is slightly cheaper but a hell of a lot more convenient than making your own food
>spend the extra time on the internet, spend the extra calories on getting fat
>become fat and unhealthy, find out that this costs a lot more in terms of money and time than eating healthy would have

>a serving of fruits from juice is just the same as from actually eating the fruit

>>3733705

Exactly. In an office (or a lab), where you can afford to be on 4chan for at least an hour.

Not poor and does not work harder than a poor person.

>>3733698

$11, but you didnt include the Flour, salt, sugar, oil, baking soda, etc.

>flour $2
>salt $1
>sugar $2
>etc $more

not including shit that you will have to buy make the meal more expensive than $12. Yeah I know that you will have left overs that you can make other shit with, but if you are starting with nothing then it will cost more.

Actually, I am at home right now getting ready for a conference on the weekend... which is why I am taking some time to go on 4chan. I also get to make my own hours, so sometimes I work 6am-5pm, 12pm-8pm, whatever.

When I work at the lab I take maybe 20 minutes worth of breaks during the whole day. I don't go there to hang out, I go there to work... that is just my work ethic. I don't like breaking up the day when I have things to do.

The difference is that I enjoy what I do and understand the benefits of working hard and obtaining solid results. When I work hard, I see benefits. When someone working a menial job for a boss works hard, they mays see a few extra dollars or get a gold star or whatever.

Then again, that is another reason why education is worth pursuing - you increase the probability of working for yourself (or at least having more freedom), making more money, choosing your livelihood, making contributions that you believe in, etc.

>>3733711
>a serving of orange juice is one cup
>a serving of orange is 1 orange
>a cup of freshly squeezed orange is juice is made from 4 oranges, because most of the fibers are filtered out.
>so a cup has all the fructose of 4 oranges (and yes the vitamins and >antioxidants as well) and none of the fiber.

>>3733735
...assuming the antioxidants, vitamins, etc. weren't loss in the processing of the juice

>>3733732

Congratulations. Your life is easy, and has been easy. Feel free to continue calling other people that are not as lucky as you lazy.

>>3733730

Read my post again. I wrote that I didn't add those ingredients to the price.

A bag of each of those is going to go a long way to make many, many, many meals. Having to start from scratch is no excuse to continue eating fast food -- that makes no sense. The money you waste on fast food for the month would have paid for those staples easily.

So you're down to your last few dollars, or you just got paid and your budget is tight? The don't make the fucking cobbler which is dessert anyways. Problem solved. Now you don't need the flour, sugar, baking soda, etc.

We're back to $11 again.

So a 4 pound bird $4, not the whole bag of potatoes three medium will do (I used the bagged potato image to show how cheap they are) $2. Tomatoes and onions for bruschetta $2 italian dressing for the bruschetta $2.50 a loaf of bread for $2, sautéed summer squash for $1.30.

Pretty close to $12

>>3733744

I should add that we're actually down to $9 because we scrapped the dessert. No need for blueberries anymore.

>>3733744

well that was my point. I dont give a shit about fast food or heathy food. I am just saying that you can make that meal for $12...if you count everything.

>>3733748

I guess while I'm at it I should say that $9 is just a few dollar menu meals (2-3 if you spend $3-4 per visit). Or one combo (might have a few dollars remaining).

Now do that twice and you have the money to afford the entire grocery list plus the dessert. $18 is /plenty/.

>>3733739
This is the type of anti-education nonsense I don't understand. People say they want their children and the population to be educated, that it creates a better society, etc. Yet when faced with someone making sacrifices to further their education, they scream elitist or act like it is easy.

I paid for my undergraduate degree by working 14 hour days in the bush (10 on, 3 off), planting trees or surveying. I've "done my time" and worked harder than anybody at a retail or restaurant could understand. Ever had to frantically chop a landing pad for a chopper so that they could pick you up (or you would have to spend the night)? Ever worked alone and been charged by bears in areas so remote that only a satellite phone with terrible reception that worked half the time could save you if something wrong? And even then it would take at least an hour for a chopper to find you?

Now I spend my hours doing intellectual work. I have no regrets! There is no point in acting like the average 9-5 fast food/retail worker is a martyr.

>>3733753

The menu keeps changing

chicken + kale + mashed potato + brucetta =/= $12

>>3733789
I changed one menu item once. Switched kale to summer squash. Kale wasn't in the weekly ad.

>buy a shit load of bulk spices for $5
>make paneer with milk and some lemon or vinegar
>buy canned tomato
>buy spinach, huge cheap bag of lentils, and anything else you can afford (serrano peppers, ginger, cauliflower, squash, ghee, etc.)
>make awesome, affordable, healthy indian food

>>3733812
Homemade paneer is awesome!

>>3733789

That's what happens when you cook at home. You buy what's in season and on sale.

It IS equal to $12. Just not this time of year, apparently.

>>3733774

When did I say anything anti-education? I am just saying that you are foolish to think that you work harder than someone who is poor.

Your examples make my point. You did a bunch of stuff that you wanted to do. You had that freedom because you grew up at least middle class if not straight up rich. Your life is good man, and you should appreciate it. No need to call other people who weren't as lucky as you lazy.

>>3733814
and a cheap easy protein source

if anyone thinks fast food is the cheapest option, they should look to the indians

millions of poor people that know how to create flavorful foods out of cheap ingredients. they are frugal and use everything.

also, meat is usually the most expensive component and people think you can't have a meal without meat. this is wrong.

in short, indian food. and lentils. if i was poor i would be so happy only eating lentils... i already eat them 3 times a week.

>>3733812
homemade paneer is great

why the fuck anyone would pay $4 for 8 oz of paneer in a store is beyond me

>>3733818
Actually, my parents aren't well-to-do at all. I went to university, worked to pay for it, and worked my ass off so that I would have the grades to get a grant that would allow me to do my MSc. Then, I worked my ass off and got the grades and publications to ensure a decent grant for my PhD.

There is nothing lucky about working hard and being able to further your education. *Anyone* can do this if they want to. I merely avoided undergrad debt by finding odd jobs (like tree planting and surveying) that allow you to work your ass of for 4 months and make enough to scrape by on.

People who are educated are not always "lucky" because of their parents. I'm not sure why you feel this way. Some people have higher aspirations AND the motivation/discipline to try to achieve them.

>>3733803

Still didnt include any of the seasoning, sugar or oil and everything in the weekly ad adds up to $13.66

>>3733831
Same with homeade yogurt. I make it almost daily and it's at least 50% cheaper than store bought.

>>3733831
Tell me how to do it, then!!
I would love to make homemade paneer. Please give instructions and make all my Indian food dreams come truuuuuuuuuuuue!

>>3733837

That's because he's an idiot and doesn't know how to shop.

It's $12, dude. Drop it.

>>3733840
>he's an idiot and doesn't know how to shop

Yeah buying what's on sale and in season is so stupid.

>>3733682
As much rice as possible.

>>3733835

> *Anyone* can do this if they want to.

I never said anyone can't or couldn't. My point is that it is easier for some people and harder for others. There are people that have worked harder than you and did not get even close to the place you are now. You don't have to feel guilty about it because life is not fair, but just don't call other people lazy because they are not as successful as you.

>Actually, my parents aren't well-to-do at all.

This tells me that 1. you had two parents growing up. 2. that you were middle class, which means that you were richer than at least about 30-50% of the rest of everyone in the USA.

>>3733848

But his menu has both potatoes and bread. It's stupid.

It's not about shopping in season -- that's always a good idea, but it doesn't mean buying 10 lbs. of potatoes and then getting some bread and shitty Italian dressing to make pretentious bruschetta.

His menu fucking sucks. You can eat for less than $12. The point remains.

>>3733839
I take 3 litres of milk (or, coincidentally, 3 bags... I'm Canadian) and toss them in a big pot. On medium heat, bring the milk almost to a boil, where it just starts to bubble a little. Keep stirring the whole time, milk can burn easily.

When it is at that point, toss in a bunch of lemon juice (or vinegar, but I prefer lemon) and take the pot off of the element. I usually use the juice of a lemon... overkill, but it doesn't impact the flavour and I like to make sure I curdle everything. Stir in the juice for a minute and watch as the solids separate... it is cool.

Then, pour it through a strainer lined with a few layers of cheese cloth and pour cold water on it. You want to cool it down so it stops cooking. Tie up the cheese cloth and press it... I put it between 2 cutting boards and place 20 lbs of weight on it for an hour or so. I like it really firm, so I do it for as long as possible.

Then slice up into cubes and use. I sometimes give it a quick fry in ghee and then use it in the dish.

>>3733856
Are you somehow implying that all two parent households are middle class? Or that single parent households are lower class? Because that's just pure fallacy all the way around.

>>3733860

hahaha yes I think that we can all agree that he has a shit tier menu, but the point remains that it will also cost more than $12 to produce such garbage.

>>3733856
I didn't call people who don't do "as well as me" lazy, I called people who fall back on the "I am too broke and don't have enough time to eat anything but fast food" lazy. And they are. There is no excuse why people can't buy and cook there own food.

And yes, I had two parents (like most people). I am also Canadian, which means I pay more for food and in taxes than you do. My education was cheaper though.

>>3733858
THANKS SO MUCH.

seriously, thanks, gonna make some tomorrow! (and then make some bitching Saag Paneer or Paneer Makhani!)

>>3733874
No prob...

Just make sure you buy cheese cloth (it is cheap and, oddly enough, I sometimes find it in the cleaning aisle).

And make sure you don't burn the milk. It can take a while to bring it to the appropriate temp. slowly, but it is worth it.

I love the 10 seconds between tossing in the lemon juice and not seeing the curdling... I start to think "oh shit it wasn't hot enough!!! It isn't working!!!" and then the beautiful separation occurs.

enjoy

>>3733868

>There is no excuse why people can't buy and cook there own food.
>pious asshole

>>3733868
true
fast food ends up being way more expensive
but vegetables are expensive too

i grew up very poor and we ate mostly rice/beans and ground meat, or soups and pasta and stuff like that

vegetables would be frozen or canned if we had them

that's not healthy man

>>3733860
Ha! You're right... I don't know why I chose bruschetta. Fuck it toss the app. Get salt/pepper/ butter with that $ to shut the newfag stalker up.

>>3733868

You are luckier than most people in the world and fast food costs less than one home cooked meal; that is the excuse.

>>3733885
Do you think poor people in other countries are all dead now because they don't have fast food?

Fuck, this country is so stupid.

>>3733896
So I guess most people in the world survive on fast food?

>>3733897

The food that poor people eat in other countries is less healthy than fast food. That's why they have lower life expediencies.

>>3733899

Yes. More and more they are.

>>3733905
You are completely mixed up.

Most deaths in the U.S. can be attributed to TOO MANY calories, which is a pretty Western-centric phenomenon.

Deaths in most impoverished areas are due to not enough calories or malnutrition. These are two different things.

Not to mention their lack of access to potable drinking water, infrastructure, health and safety regulations, medicine, etc.

Eating beans and rice =/= eating a 3000 calorie meal from McDonalds.

>>3733905
>>The food that poor people eat in other countries is less healthy than fast food. That's why they have lower life expediencies.

Wow. Just, wow.

>>3733897

I never said anything about other countries, but in the USA you can get a meal at a fast food place cheaper than if you made it at home.

>>3733896
>fast food costs less than one home cooked meal

How can you be this dumb? Do you cook?

10lb pork shoulder $10. Bag of rolls $3. Bottle of BBQ sauce $3.

Roughly 8 pounds of pulled pork after 12 or so hours in the oven at 200.

Oh it is more expensive to eat more healthy, especially here (UK)
Buying pre packed frozen meals is far cheaper than buying quality fresh ingredients.

>>3733905
There are...no words, for how stupid you are.

>>3733911

Thats my point McDonalds has many many times more health and safety regulations than the food that poor people eat in other countries making it more healthy. Making us westerners live longer.

>>3733918

12 hours of energy to cook the food cost the chef time and money. Fast food is cheaper.

I'm done with this thread... one troll trying to say fast food is the mana of poor people.

retard

>>3733935

No I am trying to say that it is what enslaves poor people. It is cheaper but less healthy. The price and the ease of access makes it irresistible.

>>3733928
What you seem to be failing to take into account is the many, many different processes the food has to go through just to get to your McDonald's location, and that's why they have safety regulations. Which, by the way, fail at times. Plus then, it's put into the hands of people of dubious intellect who cook it for you.
People in these "other countries" you speak of cook the food themselves, with less handling by other people, less traveling time, and therefore less chance of improper handling and contamination. There's very few countries left that don't have at least as long or longer life spans than we do. Yes, there are a few, but not many. Your information is outdated.

>>3732747
Most of the granulated/brown/powdered sugar in American grocery stores is beet sugar, sometimes cane sugar. Most sugar in processed American foods is corn sugar. Personally, I haven't seen much for corn sugar by itself, not counting corn syrup.

>>3733933
My gas bill is less than a dollar a day. It takes five min. To toss a shoulder in a pan and then into a preheated oven. Takes ten min. to pull the meat and dress with sauce.

>>3733939

poor people in other countries have no education in food safety handling, and McDonalds never touch the food.

and how many third world countries live longer than the USA?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

>>3733942

Yup that is why thousands of people have trouble paying their utility bills each month, because energy is nearly free.

Also 12 how much healthier is pork shoulder with sugar sauce and white bread than a burrito from taco bell?

>>3733951
I think what you should be more concerned with is the fact that the US is 38th on that list. Pretty bad, considering we think we're supposed to be the epitome of first world perfection. Hence, stop eating your shitty fast food and clean yourself UP.

>>3733964
My gas bill is always lower than $25/month especially in the summer as I grill a lot.

I didn't say pork with white bread and BBQ sauce was healthy you seem to be getting mixed up.

If you want healthier buy chicken leg quarters for 69 cents a pound, a bag of spinach and a box of quinoa.

I used to be too poor to eat healthy

Most of my meals were discount bologna and dollar baguettes. If I bought on sale days I could get my meals up to 1600 calories per dollar. I also had mayonnaise and rice. On good months I kept my food spending under 40 dollars.

>>3733965
>considering we think we're supposed to be the epitome of first world perfection

I see this so often that it's kind of just plain retarded to say at this point. None of us here think that. The people in real life that do are not the majority dumbass.

>>3734006
you'd be amazed at how many poor ignorant people in the US think the US is the best country on earth

>>3734073
Post a double-blind study with some statistics proving your point, then.

>>3734006
http://music.yahoo.com/news/hank-williams-jr-president-obama-hates-america-154552012.html

>I would eat less but I enjoy the challenge of lugging 150 lbs of fat everywhere.

>>3733974

For $60 a month you could eat off the dollar menu twice every day and your gas bill would be zero. Fast food is cheaper that is how we keep poor people fed, fat, and complacent.

I'm not even sure if we can even produce enough good and healthy food for everyone... somebody's got to eat the shit tier left overs, aka fast food.

>>3734182

There are other expenses like your car.

>>3734182

A dollar bag of rice would last more than a day. You could survive on $7-15 a month.

Still cheaper to cook at home.

>>3734191

I guess the assumption is that if you are poor you live within walking distance of a fast food place.

If I didn't know I'd think this was /mlp/, with that many assburger posts

>>3734182 dollar menu twice

600 calories a day is gonna get you dead

Half of the reason I moved out as soon as I did was because of the food. I even offered to cook if they'd just buy me the stuff, but apparently they were always too busy to go to the store; even when they went to the store for 'drinks'(soda & coffee) latter.

I didn't wanna have a heart attack at 40.

>>3734081
>double blind study

...so how would that work? The questioner doesn't know what question he is asking when he says "do you think the u.s. is the best country on earth"?

lol please explain.

>>3734211
also, in this case, scurvy

I like how some people think calories = nutrition.

Breaking news y'all: http://www.rodale.com/fast-food-facts

Turns out middle class Americans are the most likely to eat fast food.

...but poor americans are more likely to be obese.

So it turns out that fast food is not that bad, and poor people are just a bunch of dumb fuckers; who although cook at home all the time, fry everything in butter.

>>3734239
>rodale.com

Fuck. Right. Off.

Post a sextuplet-blind study and we'll talk.

>>3734239
that article stated the obesity claim was part of conventional wisdom. after that sentence the lower class were not called upon again for the remainder of the article. the article wasnt stating that lower class are obese AND middle class eats more fast food than lower class. the whole reason i went to the article in the first place is because what you said made no sense.

>>3734253
jesus christ what the fuck

I want you to ask every single american personally, with a different chinese watching each questioning

>>3733698
>2 lbs. frozen blueberries for a cobbler = $2

In the weekly ad for my cheapest grocery store (Vons in Los Angeles) blueberries are on sale for $3 a 6 oz carton.

>>3734266
6oz fresh? ive never seen a 6oz carton of frozen blueberries anywhere so im going to assume you mean fresh. on that note...fresh blueberries =/= bulk frozen blueberries

>>3734211
The guy you're replying to is fucking bat shit insane. Not only is it cheaper to cook at home... It's cheaper to make a cheese burger and fries at home than buy them at a restaurant. Of course you would have like 10 cheese burgers, but they would come out cheaper per burger than say McDonald's.

The poorest Americans receive monthly food assistance. Restaurants don't take food stamps. They cook at home using cheap cuts of meat, ox tail, ham hocks, chicken legs etc...

The poorest of the poor that live in isolated extremely rural areas are no where near fast food places. They feed themselves by hunting.

Poor people can't and don't sustain themselves by eating out.

>>3734295 Restaurants don't take food stamps.
Many take EBT which is the debit card for food stamps.

Fried rice = less than a $ per serving. Rice, eggs, a chicken breast, 3 bundles of green onions for $1. I don't get it, either.

I'm poor right now. Had a great job with Yahoo! but got laid off. Never was on food stamps before but said FUCK IT. Paid my taxes all these years and shit and just got canned because of outsourcing (manager warned us it was happening).

So I'm on EBT (formerly food stamps but now it's a card).

I bought 20% fat burger meat (cheapest) a loaf of bread (cheaper than buns and I can make sandwiches), some rice (grew up in Hawaii eating that shit daily and it's CHEAP), some kale (on sale and greens absorb excess bile your body makes to digest meat). A few spices (gotta make them burgers tasty), onions and garlic.

I can easily live a few days off the meat, veggies and rice. I'll probably get some other veggies in a day or two and some chicken thighs (cheaper and tastier than breast).

>>3734302

Only a very few select do.

Papa Murphy's, for instance. Why? Because the food isn't cooked.

>>3734302
You can't buy prepared food with an EBT card. That's why poor people cook at home instead of paying more $ to eat at restaurants.

>>3734302
EBT only works for cold foods. No hot foods because they're trying to keep people from buying hot prepared food which always costs more. Not many fast food places take EBT in general for whatever cold things they might have because it would be a hassle. Only place I know of is Papa Murphy's take-n-bake pizza. I wonder if Subway takes EBT.

>>3734258
he had no idea what he was posting

>>3734314
>>3734310
Then why does the Jack in the Box in my neighborhood have a neon sign in the window that says EBT ACCEPTED HERE

>>3734317
>I wonder if Subway takes EBT.

No, because Subway food is ready to eat and doesn't require further preparation, unlike Papa Murphy's.

The pizza you get at Papa Murphy's is basically the same thing you get at the grocery store in the refrigerated aisle. You have to cook it before eating it.

>>3734329
lol America is fucked

>>3734329

Are you sure it didn't say "debit" or something like that?

>>3734314
i know some grocery stores that sell prepared food take EBT now.

also most welfare leeches are too high on crack and lazy to want to bother cooking anything from scratch. chips and frozen pizza is all they consume.

>>3734338
http://www.calwatchdog.com/2010/11/23/food-stamps-welcomed-at-restaurants/

http://exposehomelessness.blogspot.com/2011/02/california-restaurant-meals-program-for.html

>>3734338
>>3734310

>>3734344

Grocery stores all take EBT for non-prepared foods, but don't take it for foods that are considered prepared.

Try going to your grocery store's deli and getting some ready-to-eat fried chicken and paying with EBT.

>>3734329
Dunno. It's the law here in Ny. Stores get fined and may lose the ability to take EBT if they sell prepared foods to someone paying with an EBT account.

I say let people with EBT cards buy prepared foods they would run out of $ and have no food. Crime would skyrocket. I love chaos. Of course they might just do what try do now however and make meals at home for less $ than eating out.

>>3734349
Quote from that second article:

>WE ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE OUR FOOD ALLOWANCE IS ABOUT $5 a day and some of the full meals are MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THAT meaning this could be our ONE MEAL for the day. WE ARE ALSO CONCERNED BECAUSE OF THE HIGH SALT AND FAT CONTENT OF MOST FAST FOODS.

>>3734351

Assuming the sign is valid, they probably have a fridge with some bologna, cheese, crackers, etc. in it, and can accept food stamps for only those items.

>>3734349
they really gotta switch shit over to some kind of food distribution and ration center instead of letting worthless skidmarks eat wherever they please.

have like a warehouse that only carries nutritious shit and give out rations.

think of all the money the government spends to feed people which only winds up as profit in some supermarket tycoons pockets.

>>3734360
MOTHERFUCKING BITCH, THAT MAKES ME RAGE.

BK

>>3734359
what part of NY?
the problem with letting people spend on prepared food is that it costs the tax payer more and essentially the government is putting profits in the shopkeepers pockets. if these people dont have jobs and nothing to do all day they could atleast be cooking their own food. why do they have to bugger KFC all day when they can make it at home?

eventually more and more people on the dole will just give up on cooking entirely and beatnick politicians will give out more welfare to buy more votes.

its already bad enough that you can purchase an xbox with WIC.

>>3734361
so its just a ploy to lure business in from welfare leech business by offering a few real foods?

Subway

Jack in the Box

>>3734376
what did you expect from the most hippie infested libtard beatnick faggot state in the world?

>>3734383
I live in Brooklyn. No fucking way can u buy an Xbox with WIC!!!!!

Pizza Hut

>>3734381
>>3734385
>>3734391
>>3734386
do you have a pic of KFC?

here in canada on tuesdays (toonie tuesday when you get 2 pieces and fries for 2$) the line ups look like a freaking welfare office.

>>3734390
>yfw when the biggest welfare states are red

>>3734395
http://www.chimpout.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-61144.html

California

Restaurant meals program

This program is designed to help households who do not have a place to store and cook food, or who may have a disability that makes preparing meals for themselves difficult. It began in 1978 when federal regulations gave states the option to allow elderly and disabled food stamp households to use food stamp coupons in authorized restaurants. In 1996, the program was expanded to include homeless food stamp households. [MPP §63-102(e)(2)(H); ACIN I-31-04]

Under the program, prepared foods at participating restaurants and grocery stores can be purchased with an EBT card. Participating restaurants must meet requirements placed on them by the county and must be authorized to process food stamp transactions as a restaurant. Restaurants are prohibited from charging a sales tax or meal tax on prepared foods purchased with food stamp benefits. [7 C.F.R. § 274.10.]

>>3734399

>The reason for the restaurant program, according to Gant, is that “Los Angeles County [like the other counties] has a large population of homeless, disabled and elderly food stamp households that are unable to prepare their own meals or store food.”

makes sense

>>3734401
yeah cause people in red states are smart enough to not hire nogs. affirmative action is also not taken as seriously in the red zones.
>>3734395
woops... i probably rememberd it wrong... they were actually just trolling nogs.

>person claims to eat healthy
>"rewards" themselves every day with a coke

That's like a week's worth of sugar in one small bottle

>>3734404
Im the farthest thing from being racist but I have a good sense of humor. That's funny.

>>3734405
k that makes sense. maybe they should have 2 tiers of welfare. one that works at take outs and one thats only raw food.

>>3734391

Some Pizza Huts (and other pizza chains) will sell uncooked pizzas and they can take EBT for that.

>>3734415
how the hell do you live in brooklyn and not become racist? i went do dc, baltimore and nyc a few summers ago and the racism in america began making sense to me.

>>3734415
>Im the farthest thing from being racist

If you need to start your post with that disclaimer, it's probably not true.

>>3734386

What state? And what items do they take EBT for?

>>3734425
as was already discussed around the time of that post, Californians can use EBT for hot meals

>>3734423
Did you read the link in the post I replied to?

My wife is Japanese and I grew up in Brooklyn. My block has Indians, Jamaicans, puerto ricans, polish, Chinese, African American, etc... Everyone is cool with each other. The only scumbags are the hipsters.

>>3734433
>I'm friends with other races so I can't be racist

>>3734425
i was pissed but radioactive man explained.

basically some people are disabled, old or live in shelters with no cooking stuff (people who actually need the welfare) so thats why its allowed now.

problem is soon the lazy fat nog birthing machines with 9 kids will start abusing it.

>>3734433
i had a specific race in mind... the fucking redguards.

btw whats with all the japanese in america? all we get in canada is chinese, korean and vietnamese. (yellow fever patient here)

>>3734439

ban expired I see

The Japanese have historically decided to fuck off to Hawaii and the States rather than go to Canada, the rest of the other Asian countries generally just close to eyes, throw a dart onto a board with the names of cities on the Western Seaboard and decided "We'll settle there!"

I'm not surprised California allows hot meals.

I was homeless in downtown San Diego, and it was chaotic. The waiting list just to get an interview at the shelter was more than a month. Homeless people ask homeless people for money it's so bad.

I made it out alive. Thank God. I'll never go back into that state again.

>>3734434
If you weren't a newfag you'd realize that I haven't made a racist post in the six years I've been browsing. And yeah I would assume that racist wouldn't have freinds belonging to the races they hate. Kinda the whole fucking point of racism bro.

Don't see to many black racist chillin with white hipsters from Indiana on the corner.

>>3734439
There really aren't many japs here at all. They have little reason to leave Japan. There are about 767,000 japs here.

http://www.japanmattersforamerica.org/2011/05/census-counts-japanese-in-us/

>>3734444
i only got the b& cause the overlords figured its easier to single out the trippers vs the summerfags who reported me because they were butthurt that they got told.
>shit tier isp
>no dedicated ip
>no big whoop

>>3734448
whats the deal with whites and their fear of being racist? you do know that caucasian is also a race dont you? when im hanging with non whites we always make white jokes up.

>>3734463
i lurk on many random forums around the interwebs and every other american dude is like "my wife is japanese". figured maybe they prefer america over canada.

>>3734472
>Reported for racism

trolling racism on an online cooking board is for friendless faggots who are afraid of vocalising their beliefs IRL

>>3733698

How do you roast the chicken? Just throw it in without seasoning and all of that?

mods = gods

>>3734465
I work with a Jew, a jet black Jamaican dude, a houduran, an ecuadorian, a hipster, an old WASP alcoholic, a jazz bassist, and a half Mexican.

The racial jokes fly all day everyday. It's fucking hilarious. I love the dudes I work with. But that's not the same thing as hating people due to their race.

Saging cuz this isn't on topic

>>3734506
>racism
>4chan
im shocked!

>>3734514
dang beatnicks

>>3731618
then take up jogging. its free!

>>3734514
its more of a strong feeling of being annoyed

>>3734514
Sure is easy to have a good time with racist jokes when you're, you know, white.

>>3734566

>implying whites are immune to racism

Move to Japan and then get back to us.

>>3734566
you have what is known as "white guilt"

>>3734329

Regulations vary from state to state, even though it's a national program. For example, some states it's grocery stores only, others you can use your EBT at the god damn liquor store.

>>3734586
>>3734577
Well, in a country in which whites are the majority: yes, they largely are. Who is "racist" against whites in the united states? In what positions of power do they sit?

The fact that you're thinking about it in terms of inherency and not cultural relevance is probably solid evidence that you're a racist.

What does acknowledging that racism is inherently political, and that it is about power more than it is about personal prejudice, have to do with guilt? Racism is a means of oppression, not just someone's hateful opinion.

>>3734601

...but I /am/ a racist.

>Who is "racist" against whites in the united states?

Are you fucking serious? Anyone who isn't white.

>>3734601
Go back to reddit, ONTD, Jezebel, or wherever you came from

>>3734601
>solid evidence that you're a racist
who me? really? this is some shocking news!

>>3734614
>Jezebel

good god i hate that fucking site. i used to troll the fuck out of them until they got that bullshit where star commentators had to approve the noobs before their posts were visible to everyone. that system basically turned all of cocker media into a huge circle jerk where opinions that did not follow what the editors and majority liked were "devowled".

that is why i like chan sites more these days. you get everyones raw and honest opinions, thoughts and feelings on things instead of a bunch of ass licking posts.

i just wish there was some form of real time chat or private messaging here cause you meet some really cool cats.

Poor black man here, vegetarian, don't drink anything with caffeine in it and I cook my own meals while living in a shitty part of town surrounded by white trash, mexicans and of course other black people (Who you can get along with easier then the other two but that's probably because I'm black too). I used to eat nothing but fast food but decided to try the vegetarian thing out, I stopped buying meat all together and starting only buying fruits, vegetables, bread, eggs and butter, but eventually that got old, so I started looking up vegetarian recipes and eating out on other peoples bills more often and my grocery bill is cut down by 1/3rd. I've gone from spending 40 dollars a week on myself a week to spending less then 20. Of course I use deals and have to borrow money from my family at times but hey could be worse, I could be out of shape.

Pic related, it's who I look like.

>>3734642

I couldn't have said this better myself.

>that system basically turned all of cocker media into a huge circle jerk where opinions that did not follow what the editors and majority liked were "devowled".

Exact reason I left reddit. State an unpopular opinion? Get downvoted into oblivion. And the rules even state that you only downvote off-topic comments ("does not contribute to the conversation" or something) and spam.

Waaaay too many liberals and whiteknights for my tastes.

>i just wish there was some form of real time chat or private messaging here cause you meet some really cool cats.

I went into the /ck/ IRC channel once, and it sucked. Everybody in there seemed to know each other IRL, and it was constantly quiet.

"If you build it, they will come."

Make a channel and I'll be there.

>>3734652
whiteknight liberals are the biggest hypocrites in the world. its only free speech till you hurt their wittle feelings.

i was thinking about starting my own chan (a small one for people in my town) but i figured /b/ tards would just use it to dump pizza while i slept.

>>3734652
That's because you need to fucking lurk an online community before simply jumping in and attempting to be accepted by the members that have been there for years.

This is how it was years ago... Now sites like this are full of literal children shitposting all day on almost every fucking board.

>>3734677
fuck that shit. i was at cocker before they turned into a bunch of beatnick macfags. its sad how you now have to vouch for their approval before you can openly comment.

>>3734652
> I went into the /ck/ IRC channel once, and it sucked. Everybody in there seemed to know each other IRL, and it was constantly quiet.

I thought it was just me ;_;

>>3734703
nigger

>>3734703
woops... thought i was replying to another post in another board... they need more color coding

>>3734723
>>3734719
btw how do i get to the irc?
its sounds like 90% of channels with all the not talking much and being mostly dead but what the hell.

>>3734727
If you need directions don't bother.

>>3734745
i know how to configure an irc client... i just need to know where to go...

>>3734745
btw it was funny house i mentioned how pussyshit beatnicks get butthurt and report and they did just that.

>>3734769
rizon probably

>>3734775
do you have to register with their channel or is reg optional?