/ck/ - Food & Cooking

I don't want to talk to a scientist.

Is it true that all the artificial flavorings or made in that one factory in New Jersey?

>>4129426
Do the real scientists tease you?

Are you an archaeologist?

>>4129433

dont worry Ill dumb it down so you can understand

What job do you do?

>>4129442

Surprisingly no. Lately theres been a trend of people from other disciplines such as chemistry and engineering coming to the food industry due to its stability.

>>4129447
>A food "scientist" feeling high and mighty
Let me laugh even harder.

>>4129426
That giant mole on that girl's cheek, is that cancerous?

>>4129441

A lot of flavor houses are from the east coast. They focus a lot on the meat and cooked flavors. They also do a lot of natural flavors too

>>4129453

R&D Formulator. I basically make new products

>>4129426

Do you feel remorse for helping to cause the rise in morbid obesity in america, or are you cold to the plight of your hapless victims?

explain us this sorcery please

>>4129353

>>4129475
It's simple, they have Gandalf put a spell on each package of food before it leaves the manufacturing plant.

>>4129472

oh boy here we go. We often had this discussion in class when I was in grad school. People have to understand that the food industry is business. Were looking to make money not look out the well being of consumers. Consumers have plenty of choices, if everyone stopped buying the "shitty" food then we wouldnt make it. We make "shitty" food because there is a demand for it. If everyone in the US wanted and only bought all natural/no preservatives/fair trade food then the industry would shift toward that direction.

>>4129475

It was explained in the thread. Probably a sterilization to kill off all microbes and storage in a vacuum or modified atmosphere packaging.

>>4129465
Did you do a food science degree or something else? How many years experience? What will you be doing at work tomorrow?

Directionless undergrad looking for inspiration...

Do you have a degree in food science? If not how did you get a job there? I'm biochemist trying to get into the industry.

>>4129426
what kind of food do you eat?

>>4129490

I was premed as an undergrad. Then decided against it and ended up graduating with a BS in biology. Got hired after graduation at a small food company, and decided to get my MS. I recently finished my MS and now have about 3 years including work I did while I was in school. Ill be visiting a client tomorrow to show them new samples I made to see if they like it. If you like food, go for it.

>>4129495

lol I hate you guys from other disciplines. The industry recently implemented the Certification of Food Scientists because of you guys

>>4129499

Ty. I'm in Chicago trying to get into kraft or nestle... Unsuccessful so far.

>>4129498

wide range of stuff. I suck at cooking so I do eat a lot of salads and ready to eat meals when Im not eating out.

>>4129513

You probably need a degree a food science if you plan to work a big company like that. Your best bet is to go the annual IFT meeting, which is actually in Chicago this year to see if anyone is hiring and do some interviews.

>>4129426
what do you make of all this "organic" branding and its effect on health and quality?

>>4129499
I did the opposite. I went through a Food Science undergrad, did research work in a psychophysics lab and a cereal lab, then decided I didn't like what the industry was doing to American dietary patterns, so I bailed.

Wound up with an MS in Nutrition Science and now I'm in med school.

I do miss working with food, though. I still do a small amount of R&D consulting and teach a class here and there.

>>4129525

I personally think its a gimmick to get consumers to pay more. That being said getting certified organic is a rigorous process so you are likely to be getting a higher quality product which also applies to Kosher.

>>4129529

Cool, some grads from my school did that. They didnt like the industry so they went on the med school after graduation.

>>4129426
in your honest opinion, where is the line for which modified food becomes hazardous or convoluted.

>>4129542

In my opinion only when people do it intentionally for economic purposes such as the addition of melamine to milk in China.

>>4129548
Never heard of that, glad im not in china. How do you feel then, about coca cola adding (i dont know the specific names of the chemicals and stuff) but one poisonous preservative to counteract the poison in another preservative.

Have you been involved in any products us common folks might know.

>>4129557

Never heard of the Coca Cola thing. Do you have an article I can look at?

I personally havent worked on anything thats been sold nationwide

>>4129584
I heard about it a while ago, but after some quick research I think it was benzene, which is cancerous but allowed in small enough doses. Take it with a grain of salt, I dont really know what Im talking about here.

Is whey protein a waste of money?

>>4129623
No, it's whey protein. Wtf kind of question is that? That obviously depends on what you think you are paying for.

>>4129596

In other words: she's full of shit.

>>4129624
>That obviously depends on what you think you are paying for
Stiroedz

How do McDonalds/KFC etc get people so hooked on their food?

Is it to do with the ratio of salt, fat and sugar or something else?

Is all "natural flavor" MSG and other awful shit that they don't want to explicitly list?

>>4129637

You just answered it yourself, people are programmed to like fat, sugar, and salt.

>>4129673

Natural flavors are flavor composed of numerous chemicals from natural sources. MSG (monosodium glutamate) is not natural but glutamic acid exists naturally and they just stuck sodium on it for better solubility.

>>4129685
Did you know high fructose corn syrup has now been scientifically linked to non alcoholic fatty liver disease?

>>4129596
the amount that leads to increased cancer risk in rats is the equivalent of drinking over 1200 cans of soda each day.

Only the southern states are at risk :)

>>4129691

Source?

>>4129696

haha. There are plenty of toxins that are used as food additives and flavors but they are in amounts where it would not lead to adverse health affects

what did you major in?

Have you seen Fat Head? It was made to show that Supersize Me was manipulate bullshit. A guy eats fast food 3 times a day for a month and ends up healthier in the end by counting calories. It tries to disprove the lipid hypothesis and instead targets the regular joes massive intake of carbs (this plus all the other factors, like lack of excersize etc.) and unhealthy fat - like vegetable oil - as the primary reason people get fat.

Maybe all this is obvious, but I thought it was an interesting watch. It's on Youtube.

>>4129701
not him/her but a quick google search revealed this: http://www.journal-of-hepatology.eu/article/S0168-8278%2808%2900164-5/abstract

Whats your opinion of ketosis diets? I've read on the net that it should supposedly be bad for your kidneys. That doesn't really make sense to me, but I am hardly an expert on nutrition.

>>4129730
Well, the rules he had set for himself in Supersize Me were that he had to get 3 complete meals every day, AND that he had to supersize it if they asked. Which they usually did.

So no shit did Spurlock eat a lot of calories. Unless you're a hardcore athlete in training, that's way too many for anyone.

what do you think is the number one hazardous food that people think is actually good for them?

>>4129731

Just read the article, interesting. I doubt HFCS will go away though

>>4129742
Sorry Im not really knowledgeable with nutrition

>>4129759
Hazardous food?

>>4129789
I'm the person who originally mentioned NAFLD, sorry I was talking to people
Here's the article I was talking about, it's more recent and discusses the mechanism (essentially just skips steps in glycolysis and makes it so less intermediates of the citric acid cycle are made, etc)
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0955286311002737

Does a vegetable, fruit, or whatever that doesn't have an animal origin taste like meat ?

>>4129850

hat exist in meats do exist in fruits and veggies. And raw meat doesnt really have a flavor on its own. Flavors are developed upon cooking by the Maillard reaction which produces compounds that contribute to flavor.

>>4129850
hat exist in meats do exist in fruits and veggies. And raw meat doesnt really have a flavor on its own. Flavors are developed upon cooking by the Maillard reaction which produces compounds that contribute to flavor.

should I keep ketchup in the fridge or cupboard?

How do you sleep at night, a food "scientist" who knows little about nutrition? Abhorrent.

>>4129917

Its food science, its a focus on chemical/biochemical/microbiobial reactions in food. If we put more focus on nutrition, what would nutritionists do?

>>4129882
>And raw meat doesnt really have a flavor on its own. Flavors are developed upon cooking by the Maillard reaction which produces compounds that contribute to flavor.
Yeah, "food scientist".

>>4129945
>>4129945
Yeah, he just derped hard

I'm about to start a food science degree this year, any advice on what to except, or possible resources for help with my papers?

>>4130184
>except
you are fucked on your papers already. Work on those multiple choice tests buddy.

my girlfriend likes to put melted cheese and ranch together in a bowl and mix them... what the fuck is up with that? why does she like it? i havent tried it cuz i think its fucking disgusting

>>4130203
>expect
I'm on my phone with autocorrect and I didn't bother to proof read, but thanks for being a douche and point that out for me.

>>4130306
>pointing
fuck it all

Can you determine the chemical composition of food?

For example given a KFC fried chicken, you can isolate each chemicals and you can say what spices it use, quatity of spices used, and how it was cooked. Can you do it?