/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Wow. What kind of aspiring chefs want to eat chicken over fish? Not the kind likely to have noteworthy careers, I'd wager.

Truth be told anon, I'm a little disappointed the world didn't end before 2013.

I'd eat your tuna brother. No homo.

I go to culinary school too, and I just can't get in any fish inside of me, even tho I'd like to. The taste just doesn't appeal to me. It's actually sad that so many people don't eat fish these days.

maybe it didnt taste very good.

>>4288838
trust me the things i've seen people do. the stories the Chefs share with us. Makes me question humanity.

>baking chocolate mousse
>2/3 student prefering steaks well done
> one bitch today dunking her half eaten crepe into my side dip for the tuna from scratch, not understanding the hate in my eyes

>>4288855
OP here
i thought that might be the case too, till the Chef and a couple guys working the kitchen with me tried a couple. i'll try to post a pic tomorrow if can can get one from another guy in the kitchen.

I would have ate everything at my table. It's a crime to waste yellow fin tuna.

>>4288823

"well, those people are clearly morons of the highest order" - Dara O'Briain

tuna steaks are food for Gods...

Was the fish flash frozen? I don't want parasites brah

>>4288823
Dude I cook tuna everyday at work in a tapas restaurant. Nearly 3/4 of the time it comes back because "it's not cooked enough".. Makes me fucking rage to the max.

I'd eat your tuna all day!
Cheers to you

>>4288823
>these are my fellow students at a goddamn culinary school!

I dont even

>>4288823
>"these guy are not into fish, maybe if we serve them chicken they'll eat..."
>these are my fellow students at a goddamn culinary school!

>>4288859
i sure hope that bitch was cut, bled, deboned and served as pussy gallantine

>>4288920
OP here

fucking speechless....casting fucking pearls to the swine man

>>4288854
what the fuck are you doing in culinary school, then?

I don't really understand it.
Did they not know they were being served fish..?
Just seems silly that there wouldn't be a menu with one or two options passed around to gauge what people actually want to eat, instead of you know, blindly assuming everyone has the same food preferences.

>>4289085
There are other things that need cooking besides fish. Maybe that guy wants to be a pastry chef or something.

pretty sure OP is a faggot who can't cook and just blames it others

>>4288823
Yeah, for the most part, I consider culinary schools a waste of money. Most chefs will trust someone with 3 years of industry experience over someone with 3 years of culinary school. Guy I worked with, who'd just graduated from a culinary school in california, who got a job through a letter of recommendation from one of his teachers, didn't even know what "deglaze" meant. That's like, first fucking week shit.

>>4289144
that's like saying that someone wants to grow up to be a one-armed pirate

>>4289184
No, because you have to chop your arm off to be a one arm pirate, whereas you don't have to do anything to not care about fish.

>>4289189
you have to chop your fucking career off to become just a pastry chef

>>4289194
That's not true, many bakeries are highly successful.

>implying you have to like to eat everything to be a chef
>implying you can't be a chef that doesn't cook the main course
>implying you have to eat and like everything you cook to be a chef
>what is having someone else taste it

Plebs

>>4289199
> many bakeries are highly successful
at being fucking bakeries
it's a waste of culinary school, too.
you go there to learn everything, because you're paying for it, numbskull. preferably you make it so that you get taught MORE than your teachers intended

>>4289208
> >what is having someone else taste it
it is just the epitome of culinary perversion
you'd be lower than pond scum if you did that
but you're just trolling

>mfw when tuna is chicken of the sea

>>4289213
> mfw w
is this a thing, now?
> mfw

>>4289213
This guy - this guy knows.

>>4289218
forgive me padre for i have sinned

maybe.... uuh.. get this: different people have different tastes

>I'm a special snow flake for liking raw beef and fish!

What even happens in culinary school? You pay someone to cook for them and then they yell at you?

>>4289234
it's not admissible to be a chef in training and NOT taste whatever the fuck you are given as part of your training
asafoetida? tough shit, sunshine, most all Indian food is based on it. snails? harden the fuck up, French cuisine is the basis of your education

>>4289211

Nigga you is the epitome if a snob

Y'aint gotta like errything to be a chef ya just gots ta wanna cook

Also what kind of retard DOESNT get someone else's opinion on the taste of a dish?

>>4289246
> You pay someone to cook for them and then they yell at you?
pretty much this
interspesed with lectures on everything from the economics of running a restaurant to food chemistry to cleaning towels

>>4289234
It's not about having different tastes. It's about learning what goes well with what food so you don't think yellow fin slathered in mayo is a good dish to serve to people.

>>4289251
> Y'aint gotta like errything to be a che
no you gotta KNOW everything
can't call yourself a chef if you don't know what one of the most prized fish tastes like

>>4288859
I lol'd!

>>4289211
actually during ramadan someone else will have to taste everything i cook.

>>4289253
lectures, economics, food chemistry, hands on "training" Cooking<<<
basic networking information, cuts, spices, soups, (some) baking, and presentation and garnishing.

>That feel when you're the only one in your school who volunteers to wash the dishes.
>That feel when you do it just for free food because you have no money and only eat small amounts of food twice a day

>>4289272
> during ramadan someone else will have to taste everything i cook.
I always knew there's something strange about Muslim food around Ramadan

>>4289272
weren't you banned yesterday?

>>4289290
No why? In fact i didn't even post yesterday, maybe once or twice.

People who eat fish are silly weirdos.

>can't spell fleur de sel
>expects civilization to settle for yellowfin

Nah, try again bro. Get the good tuna, learn the language

People who refuse to eat food that is prepared for them because they are picky (closed minded) eaters are one of the few things that bother me. This person just spent time and resources making something that is at least to them enjoyable. You had better try to be thankful and enjoy it.

>>4289272
>during ramadan
I always assume that's when muslim women get the worst beatings. The men are hungry and annoyed.

Most people hate fish? While I don't expect it to be as popular as beef, I would never return a dish just because it's fish. I'll return it because it sucks. Are you sure it wasn't because of your cooking skills?

>>4289373
You can be thankful and still not eat it. Your preference is not above someone else preference.

>>4289440
>Your preference is not above someone else preference.

This is ethics related and not fact.
You can think so but that doesn't make it right.
Sage for off topic semantics

>>4289481
>This is ethics related and not fact.
The fuck are you talking about? Ethics? You high or are you just fucking retarded?

>You can think so but that doesn't make it right.
If I cook you a ribeye with 3 pounds of sugar would you still eat it like a faggot? You would right? Because you are a very open minded eater, right?

>>4289440
All he was asking is at least to try it. IF the person still doesnt like it at that point then its w/e next time i wont be making this dish

>>4288823
You know what to do, serve them some buckets of KFC and tell them to cook their own shit if they want something else.

>>4289567
>You had better try to be thankful and enjoy it.
>be thankful and enjoy it.
>enjoy it.
That doesn't just mean trying the food.

You are the problem.

If there is one thing I absolutely can not stand is a cook who thinks he knows what people SHOULD like, and is prepared to dismiss the preferences of people who disagree.

Guys like that should just not be able to get a job anywhere.

>>4289655
I don't think I need to elaborate, if you "don't like fish" you are never going to be taken seriously as a professional chef

>>4289718
Get your head out of ass and stop spewing shit.

>>4289529
Not ethics sorry I fucked up, morals.

I wouldn't eat that, nor anything I'd really dislike eating just because someone else made it, I think that's dumb. Just pointing out someone else would, especially depending on who made it, and it doesn't mean I'm right.
But it doesn't make anyone wrong, see?

>>4289655
If these were customers, they should have the right to be picky.
These are aspiring chefs. They really shouldn't be limiting their palettes.

>>4289743

this. /ck/ always takes the "I feel X so X is true" way too far. everyone has a right to be a picky little piece of shit, but if you are, everyone else is entitled to ignore your opinions about food.

>>4289743
> They really shouldn't be limiting their palettes.
The chefs didn't send back OP's dish untouched. They found something they did not like and sent it back. Nothing wrong with that nor it is limiting their palettes.

>>4289771
Doesn't say if they were touched or untouched

>go to culinary school
>end up working at applebees

have fun after graduation OP.

>>4289777
No it doesn't. But anyone with common sense would think these aspiring chefs would at least take a bite before sending the dish back. We are not taking about a burnt beyond recognition steak.

Are you saying you think the dishes that were sent back were untouched?

Wow Op that made legitimately rage.

One of the best things I have ever eaten was a single piece of sashimi grade blue fin tuna.

>>4289732

>>Get your head out of ass and stop spewing shit.

Haha he's right you can't be a proper chef and "not like fish" lol

>>4289833
No he is not. Not liking and not being able to cook are two different things.

My God. I worked at an upscale seafood restaurant. Best in the city.

>People ordering tuna sashimi "well done"

Holy fuck.
We always said we should buy canned tuna specifically for that reason.


It was blue-fin, too

>>4289209
Pastry chef here.
Make mad cash. Learned to cook "real food" too.

But still make a higher profit from 2 days making a 1,500 wedding cake than working at a restaurant for 2 days slinging steaks.

>>4289963

what a waste of a nearly endangered fish

>>4289979
What do you put in that shit to make women so fat?

>>4289987
Fucking buttercream.

Butter.
Sugar.
Flavoring.

Eat your delicious butter.
Eat it all.
Eat it.

Cost 1500. Don't wanna waste it.
Better eat it.

>>4289981
I know...
Its pretty tragic.

We did tempura as well. It was good, but not worth using the really high quality.

Omg
Mfw, though, when we ordered big eye. Paid for big eye. Got sent blue fin.


Twice.


Hhnnghhh.

>>4289998
>buttercream
>butter
>sugar
>flavoring
>claims to be a pastry chef

>>4289987
womens lack of moderation

It amazes me that there are so many people who don't like seared tuna steak.

I mean I understand that taste is subjective as hell, but tuna steaks are so light and mild that I don't see how anyone can think it has an offending flavor.

>>4290027
Huurrrrduuuuurrrrr its the basis of all buttercream unless you're using shortening which is fucking gross, moron.

>>4290046
Yup.

Guess I'll just throw some vanilla in my milk. Derp, creme anglaise!

>>4289095

If they're culinary students of any promise, it's reasonable to assume they'd want to eat fish.

>>4290059
God you're stupid. Please dont reproduce.

why don't culinary students on /ck/ have a gourmet challege? i mean we might be able to get a hold of semi highend stuff, or just make gourmet food out of $20 limit of ingrediants. but hold the contest to higher standards,

>implying must hold weight or have french elements in every dish

>also implying every challege must be presented as a tasting menu, meaning at least 3 dishes which compliment each other.

>>4290139

All /ck/ knows is cooking with rainwater, hobo cuisine, and mug brownies.

>>4290079
Some people really dislike seafood

Others are severely allergic

>>4289247
But Snails isn't the french cuisine that is served around the world

>>4290163
I wish you were joking, seriously why is /ck/ filled with so many dirt poor/homeless people?
A couple weeks back someone was living on a 80 dollar for 3 months budget. A few weeks before that it was some guy living off fucking gas station food and granola for a month. And at least 2 homeless threads in past week. What the fuck is your guys problems?

>>4290220

Sheltered much? Every time I get on the subway there's some obese woman feeding her kids garbage out of a styrofoam tray. The real world is a harsh place full of sad, disgusting people.

>>4290220
people come from all over 4chan with food related questions
it is fine, though we never seem to get "gee thanks /ck/ your tips for eating on 50 cents a day kept me alive and scurvy free"

>>4290221
Sheltered? For not fucking up in high school? Fuck you.

>>4290224
>scurvy free

why was that so funny

>>4290228
>I've gone my whole life without seeing poor people

It has nothing to do with high school, bubble boy.

isn't it possible that maybe one of two of them where allergic to eating fish?

though why most of the fish was sent back is a little odd

>>4290220

>fuck poor people!

lolwut?

I'm sorry, but I've been broke before. I didn't come from a mommy and daddy signing checks family, and sometimes shit happens. Is the reality in which we live.

I would argue that it's a hell of a lot easier to cook good shit when money is no object. Making meals that you can look forward to when you're broke? That takes some creative thinking.

Food cost really isn't an object for me now, but I'm always happy to give some advice to people that have to live on a very small amount of income. If you've never been in such a situation, you are a fortunate person and you shouldn't look down on those who are less lucky.

>>4290253
Depends what your standards are

I really look forward to super basic meals

Advanced meals I often have trouble getting excited over eating

>>4290198
Yet you can't really claim to be a professional chef if you can't cook them, can you now?

>I Just cook burgers cause I kinda dig em, Call me chef!

>>4290294
Well there are some really good burgers out there...

>>4290303
I don't disagree, and personally I prefer a good burger to snails anyway. But there are quite a few misguided fools out there with shitty tastes requesting most obscure stuff cooked in various obscure ways.

I was in barbados with my gf's family and a couple of us tried a tuna steak. Most of them sent it back when they saw it was a a bit raw in the middle.

I said it was done like that in many places but they wouldn't hear any of it and got a new, welld-done one. Not because they didn't like it that way, but because they thought it was unhealthy to do so.

I personally just ate my fucking medium-rare tuna steak. Was I right?

>>4288874
This. Oh Lord, this.

>>4290330
People have retarded ideas about cooking

The surefire way to not have bad foods is to cook them all the way through

The educated way is just to make sure you hit the bacteria kill temperature

Most people don't know you can eat pink pork that has been cooked correctly

>>4290345
>Most people don't know you can eat pink pork that has been cooked correctly

so fucking true. My mom used to always turn porkchops into leather hockey pucks. It turns out that the temperature you're supposed to hit is to kill trichinosis, which hasn't been a problem since a century ago.

>>4290345
You know nothing about liver flukes.

>>4290396
You're right I don't

>>4290392
I had the first pink pork of my life last month, I prepared it myself, it was delicious

>>4290345
No.
There are so many other factors than just heat.

Go to bed you have school tomorrow

>>4290416
Do tell

>>4290046
Missing the egg whites

>>4290415

I feel sorry for people who have never tasted mett.

>>4290421
The animal's quality of life
Freshness of the kill
Hygiene of killing floor, handling and delivery.
Hygiene of the kitchen not just in surfaces but water and even air quality.

So much stuff doesnt cook out. Giardia for example is one tough little critter.
Another anon raised liver flukes, tape worms eggs are tough as well.

theres just so many variables, the danger of 3rd world countries is although delicious when you get hit with something bad its usually Very bad.
Pork tapeworm for example can send you blind and develop stroke causing cysts in your brain.

>>4290448
So then what cooking method would you recommend if some things don't cook out

Also my sister got giardia once, it was terrible

>>4290466
Dip it in Iodine
Put in a sealed plastic bag.
Shoot into space out of a cannon.

Why would you want to eat something with tapeworm eggs in it?

If meat or any food for that matter is tainted, don't cook it. Don't eat it. Don't even give it to your pets.

>>4290448
there are a whole host of disorders that we just don't see in populations with high levels of parasitic infestation: autism, asthma, food-triggered anaphylaxias, IBS/crohn's, etc.

One hypothesis to explain the inverse relationship between parasitic infestation and autoimmune disorders postulates that our immune systems are geared for a certain level of infestation. when we are below that threshold, occasionally our immune system has its own version of an apophany and starts going after innocuous proteins, bodily tissues, etc..

if this hypothesis is true, eventually we will probably be inoculated with gelded parasites to keep our immune systems in check. but until then, pathogenic parasites may paradoxically have an important role to play in keeping us healthy.

>>4290476

whoa trippy

>>4290473
Right so you're saying just eat quality controlledm eat

I... I don't want to eat worms man

>>4290476
>>4290483
Controlled meat is safest. Take Typhoid, its a pathogen you can be a carrier of and not even show symptoms so you can effect everyone you care enough about to share food with.

As for parasitic symbiosis. I understand what you are saying. And as the human biome is being mapped as we speak the lines get even more blurred to what actually makes up consciousness for us, whether our brain is 100% in control of its own chemistry or whether bacterial symbiosis within us contributes to our perception of living.
However...
Malaria, pig tapeworm, giardia... these are all parasites with a net negative effect on us.

>>4290476
Well, our bodies are ecosystems and bacteria outnumber our own cells by 10:1. People seem to think they (and humans in general) are discrete individuals who are removed from nature.

>>4289169
How are you supposed to get a job without a degree though?

>>4290499
I uh

Just wanna talk about cooking meat man

>>4290505
Work in a shit place then get a job in a better place

Like every other industry

>>4290505
you can start in the dishpit and work your way up
get a couple of dish jobs to hedge your bets. some places NEVER want their dishies to move, others are willing to train and promote capable people

>>4289169
Culinary schools don't offer the same experience as working on the job. They're not intended to. I went out of the desire for personal improvement. Could I have gotten the same level of improvement on the job? Sure, but it would've taken me a hell of a lot longer, and working at at least 10 different restaurants to be exposed to the same amount of experience.
Is there a guaranteed return on investment? Hell no. I think most people who go through culinary school waste their education. Usually it seems to either be because they haven't worked in the industry and have no idea what it actually takes and are shocked/discouraged when they finally do get a taste, or because they never had the drive that it takes to be a chef in the sort of places that can actually use the sort of education that the better schools provide. It's not like normal college where people just go to get a degree and a job handed to them, though some schools do offer job placement... once, and in the turntable culinary industry, that isn't worth the cost of hands-on culinary schooling.
All that doesn't mean it is a waste of money. It's only a waste of money if you do not utilize it for yourself.

>>4289771
OP here
they did return the food untouched. receiving complaints about how the poorly tuna was cooked is one thing, people training to be chefs reeling at the thought of eating fish is quite another.

>>4290046
>not using lard
>2013
Sure is margarine from the 90s in here

>>4290006
>tempura
And they sent that back too?
Wow these dicks are insulting to even consider letting them graduate.
If I were a teacher at a culinary school and saw this I would instantly recommend they choose a different career.

>>4290641
Nice trip.
Are you a rider at the gates of dawn who takes no prisoners?

OP, I'm supremely jealous. If they look anything like the pic you posted, I would eat until I die.

God damn it, now I want some tuna steaks.

That pic made me wet.
Kill your peers

>>4288823
does fresh tuna taste as horrible as canned tuna?

I'm a chef and honestly I can not stand seafood.

Freshwater fish are infinitely superior. And the sad thing is the chefs of the world have yet to discover the best species of freshwater fish.

Although, sadly it would probably be cost prohibitive to import them from the amazon

>>4290182
I have a shellfish allergy so I can't eat shellfish, but I've never heard of someone with a FISH allergy.

>>4289979
> l make a higher profit from 2 days making a 1,500 wedding cake than working at a restaurant for 2 days slinging steaks
big surprise there. do you make more than the head chef in that restaurant kitchen? somehow I doubt it...

>>4290198
no but snails teach you how to make good food out of something that normally tastes like a decade-old gumball that has been chewed on

>>4290345
> bacteria kill temperature
surely you mean touch a point on the temp/time curve?

>>4288920

disgusting.

Send those fuckers to bed without dinner

>>4290941
> I'm a chef and honestly I can not stand seafood
the fuck... why are you a chef?

>>4291001
Because I'm very good at cooking?
I can cook seafood perfectly well. But I hate it nonetheless.

>>4291007
that's just sad
nothing? no octopus salad? no sea urchins?
conch? nothing? really?
not even when it's just caught?
ever had shellfish straight out of the water?

>>4289732
no he's right you really won't be taken seriously. i mean you can probably get a job or whatever but if you have the palate of a child you won't get far.

>>4289771
they sent it back specifically because they don't like fish, do you have a learning disability or something?

>>4290182
and then some other decide to go to culinary school because they aren't nine years old and they aren't sickly.

>>4290198
yeah i guess they don't get a lot of snails down in the congo or whatever but in most first world nations escargot is a common french dish

>>4290476
this is the most absurd pseudoscientific just-so story bullshit i've ever seen in my life.

I don't think it's quite as extreme as a chef not liking fish, but I knew a pastry chef who hated coconut. He was a very good pastry chef, though, and he'd still taste stuff that had coconut in it if he needed to. I think it's one thing to not really enjoy a particular food item, and another thing altogether to not be able to identify the tastes that others do like. I don't enjoy eating insects, but I have, and can appreciate the differing flavors and textures between them and differing preparations.

Medium rare tuna steaks are the food of the gods, I would have devoured that shit.
I don't understand the point of studying food if you are stubborn about expanding your palette.

there there OP just pass that dish over here. I'll eat it

>>4288854
No it's not, we're running out of them anyway.

I am one of those people who doesn't like fish. I remember eating it pretty often as a kid and liking it but one day it was just nope and I've never been able to acquire a taste for it again. When I was in culinary school the instructors always made me try anything with fish (which was bullshit because I was in a pastry program) and no matter what it was I just didn't enjoy it. I never thought anything was gross but it just wasn't good to me.

>>4289251
>make a dish
>have no idea what it tastes like or is supposed to taste like
yes this seems like an excellent idea

>>4288823
I sympathize with you, but you're not making a better image of yourself when you use culinary terms to appear highly educated but spell them wrong.

Unless you're American because French in America is FUBAR

I like fish, I don't like tuna steak. It's really not a good meat, not enough fat to have taste on its own.

>>4288859
>2/3 student prefering steaks well done

>implying this is abnormal

LOL RAWFAGS

>>4288823
>lightly sear on the grill

So it was RAW?

>>4291264
Not OP but that's how I like tuna, raw is better if it's good quality fresh fish.

>>4290435
Depending on the style of butter cream.
But, they asked what part made them fat, not what all the ingredients of butter cream are. And the answer is butter, sugar and flavoring (chocolate, primarily)

>>4289227
daijoubu

>>4290220
Because a lot of people are of the working class and barely surviving. I have to live off the crap that goes out of code from 7-11. At this point, it's probably killing me, as when I try to eat something different, homecooked or otherwise, I get severely ill. Feels bad, man.

>>4291264
You're supposed to serve good tuna very rare.
Who the fuck wants a well done tuna steak?

>>4291381
yeah, but at least warm it up!

>>4291205
> instructors always made me try anything with fish (which was bullshit because I was in a pastry program)

what is fisherman's pie?
what are scallops in the shell?
why are you such a faggit?

>OP serves raw meat to a crowd
>surprised when no one wants to touch the shit

WAT HAPPEN GUIZE I DONT GET IT LOL

wait.

people still COOK their fish?

wtf

eat it raw off the fish like smeagle you fucking faggots

For starters there is not much that makes me mad, or makes me think "this is shit"There is two things that make me mad as shit on food one are Green beans which make me puke specially with potatoes. The other one is actually faggots who put tomatoes and peppers on lasagna and cannelloni.
Why. JUST FUCKING WHY EVERY SINGLE FUCKING FROZEN LASAGNA OR CANNELLONI OR FUCKING NON GOD-TIER RESTAURANTS PUT THAT SHIT ON THE FUCKING FOOD.
IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE THEM.
THEY FUCKING RUIN IT.
So you chefs what do you think, that i'm a tasteless faggot or that actually being a cheap faggot and putting tomatoes and red peppers to put on less meat on said foods ruin them?

>>4294866
you're probably just being a faggivore who orders meat lovers pizzas and complains you didnt get enough bacon.

but I dont like sliced tomatoes on lasagna either, they're soggy and difficult to eat, and the flavor they add is really more just tolerated as 'well theres sauce in here I guess' than enjoyed.

>>4294921
as I said, only those two things irk me.
Mostly because the flavor of the meat is annulled by the peppers.

At first I wanted to be a chef, but then I realized people who hate/refuse to eat any form of seafood such as myself would seem redundant and would receive ridicule. Now I'm a pastry chef and eat chocolate and cake all day errday. Best choice I ever made.

>>4293922
Does Smeargle eat fish directly off the bone?

>>4288823
Can I get the ones they sent back? I'll eat them for you.

I'm the kind of pleb that is grossed out by all kinds of seafood, but OP's pic is making my mouth water.