/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Well, it depends on what they're looking at as "healthy". If it's protein shakes and shit, then no shit sherlock. But most veggies are extremely cheap and you can make a lot of filling dishes with those. Problem is a lot of them don't know how to cook.

>>4882041
Poor people are too poor to eat healthy. Like homeless people poor. Minimum wage low income families are also too poor to eat healthy in many regards. Think trailer park trash with a "stay at home" mother and a father who was laid off of work.

some people are legitimately too poor to eat healthy

>>4882041
too poor often means not enough time to make food

>>4882053
>>4882055
Key-word here is "fatties".

>>4882079
spoilers: poor people with poor diet are fat

>>4882055
You can manage even as a poor bastard, trust me. Lots of rice and beans, bitter greens, eggs, and oats for your staples.

Depends on your definition of healthy. If you want to be an organic, all-natural, supplements and vitamins and Central Market and shit, then yeah I could see why. But if you want to just be on a caloric deficit while not eating total crap, then that is definitely possible.

For the sake of this thread, I'm going to say that healthy = eating a proper amount of calories and being nourished enough to live an active and energetic life.

By that definition, it is definitely doable. Beans and low sodium canned items are very cheap. White rice is also cheap but those aren't very healthy. Certain veggies are cheap when in season. Soups are cheap to make granted your tap water tastes decent and is functioning.

>Hurr durr why don't they just walk to the grocery store
>Walking 2 miles to a grocery store with a family of 4
>Somehow carrying a weeks worth of groceries home or having to do this everyday

It's a lot easier to take a taxi 1 time a month and use all your ebt for frozen shit.

I get irritated every time I see "ebt" on the menu when I try to use my credit card at TRADER JOES!!!

these "people" shouldn't be allowed to shop at trader joes with their ebt bulllshit

"too lazy"

What the fuck is ebt? Some kind of clapistani food stamps or welfare?

>>4882404
ebt = food stamps but like a credit card

>>4882404
>ebt
It stands for "Electronic Benefit Transfer," and is basically a debit-card-like replacement to food stamps. I think the program is run by Xerox, but I'm not sure of that. Xerox at least runs the EBT programs for several US states.

>>4882416
>>4882420
Thanks

Maybe they should stop being so lazy and make some money

>brown rice
>lentils
>bananas
>kale

That's about all you need for a good diet. If you got extra money to spend, you could buy a bag of raw walnuts and eat about 1/4 a cup a day of those as well. Healthy food is usually cheap as fuck, it just gets expensive when you want to make your diet fancy and diverse. Keep it simple.

Poor people don't want to eat tasteless stuff, so they usually buy high calorie (due to sugar/fat/etc) but low nutritional stuff. Plus there really isn't any sort of class for feeding yourself, and by the time you're in high school you've already grown accustomed to the shitty stuff you were raised on. Plus food distributions (where 90% of my food came from as a child) usually gives out stuff that's going to last a while like pasta meals (Hamburger Helper), brown rice, etc. Anything decent for you is picked over by the time you get in line, so you grab whatever you can to feed the kids you have. But of course, this is just my experience growing up in a poor rural family.

Cheap food is usually high in calories for a "normal" portion, leading to overeating. And then of course there are the people who don't give a fuck.

http://youtu.be/Q8VXrHeLqBA

>>4882456
>Plus there really isn't any sort of class for feeding yourself, and by the time you're in high school you've already grown accustomed to the shitty stuff you were raised on

>>any sort of class for feeding yourself
>>shitty food you were raised on

There's the problem, right there. Not teaching your children the basic life skills of how to select produce and meat and how to cook them from scratch, is tantamount to child abuse.

>>4882041
I feel that they are grossly misinformed.

>>4882473

>and meat

>>4882488

Well, yeah, if you don't teach your kids how to prepare all foods properly then they end up being picky eaters, and who the hell wants that? I have found that most people who claim they "hate asparagus" or "can't eat fish" or think "liver is disgusting" have those beliefs because they've never had those things properly cooked before. I grew up hating many veggies because my mother would overcook them to hell and back. I thought I hated them but in reality she just cooked them wrong. Same with with wife and fish, my old college roommate and pork, etc.

>>4882041

Nah they're just stupid fucks who eat too much unhealthy shit

If they reduced their portions they'd be normal sized, not healthy but at least they would be unpleasant to look at

Yes OP, pisses me off.

Oats, rice, lentils are cheap and nourishing as fuck.
Eggs are cheap.
Tinned fish is cheap.
Chicken is cheap, esp. leg quarters and whole roasters.

>>4882050

>cut vegetables
>throw them into a frying pan/boiling water

It's not car surgery.

>>4882340

>healthy
>supplements and vitamins

HAH hello America.

I feel really bad for them.

Eating healthy is not always easy. Everyone who does it is at least slightly happy about it because it's truly an accomplishment in a world filled with so much rank, disgusting bullshit. When someone has not learned about the very real opportunities for healthy, inexpensive eating present in most places, I simply feel a mild sense of sadness and a strong desire to teach them. Unfortunately, people don't like to be taught things by others outside of formal instructional opportunities because acceding to instruction is equivalent to a sacrifice of social standing. You can't just walk up to a stranger and "teach them things" after all.

So, yeah. I feel sad.

>>4882420

The photo copier just turned 75 today.

>>4882719
>Eating healthy is not always easy.

>vegetables are the cheapest things you can get
>they're easy and quick to cook up
>get some cheap rice or pasta in there if you want

I don't know what you mean. The only problem is that vegetables can go bad quite quickly, ready-made meals stay good for months.

>>4882737
It's easy because it takes skill and a little bit of courage for experimentation. People aren't born into a world of infinite possibility and try everything that they want to try. If they do, they often die young. Someone who was raised on McDonalds is very understandably reluctant to step foot into their kitchen. There's nothing wrong with that, and they're not an inferior human for feeling that way, especially since the first few times a person steps into their kitchen with zero skills often end in miserable failure. They simply need encouragement and a little guidance. Or they can keep buying McDonalds. Or they can be the fearless type that "tries anything!" and we'll see what their life expectancy looks like.

I live in New York City. The cost of living is high here, but vegetables, fruit, etc are pretty cheap. Meat is more on the expensive side.
I visit Baltimore somewhat often. Produce is so much more expensive than in NY, even though the cost of living is lower. What's more, meat is much cheaper. I don't know why this is. It seems like it would be easier to ship produce to Baltimore than to NY. Maybe the higher population means less spoilage/waste? I don't know.

>>4882620

You don't want to eat eggs and chicken if you're going for health though, especially not the cheapest chicken you can find

>How do you feel about fatties who say they're "too poor" to eat healthy, /ck/?
I don't blame them. Whenever I cook for myself I make godly unhealthy meals, and I can not afford $10 organic salads and shit that taste like fecal matter.

>>4882805
Social dynamics. It sounds like NYC has enough demand to provide incentive to a large number of producers for vegetables, which drives the cost down due to competition. Baltimore, being a little more backasswards than one of the world's cultural hubs, shifts more towards the standard in American culture, wherein meat is a requirement for a meal and vegetables are not. More demand for meat and less demand for vegetables will result in more meat suppliers and fewer vegetable suppliers moving in.

It's my own personal theory and may be very incorrect, but it adequately explains the phenomena you observe.

Eating healthy is cheap as fuck. Unhealthy shit costs more and I envy those. Fat people are just too lazy and looking for an excuse.

Sure organic shit and many fresh veggies are expensive in the fuel/price but beans and taters + many other foods and decent spices are cheap as fuck and easy to prepare.

I've never heard a fattie say they were too poor to eat healthy.

As a large person, but not huge, my excuse is that I fucking love food. I've got no problems with people who love tasting, eating, flavors, etc.. Large is in charge.

What I do have a problem with is the people who get so large their knees fail and they have to use the scooters and shit. I love to eat, I'll happily admit that I'm "fat" at 250, wearing 3x and 4x shirts to be comfortable. But I still move around just fine, I play sports, my cholestoral and checkups put me within tolerable levels. I walk, do shit.

The people who just eat and park themselves in front of a TV or computer though have noone to blame but themselves. You can actually eat pretty shitty food most of the time but still keep your health up.

Don't blame the great tasting but shitty food. Blame the laziness of the people unwilling to be active. It doesn't really take much, you can be large and healthy.

>>4882456
>high in calories, eating too much
eat less
>too poor for a family
don't fucking have kids. if you fuck someone and have a kid, well thats your own fucking problem, yet we give these retards money but no one understands producing a kid is much fucking easier than paying for one

>>4882852
/thread

>>4882854
don't thread your own posts

>>4882843

>As a large person, but not huge
>250 pounds, wearing 3x and 4x shirts

If you're going to be fat, don't claim your fatness is fine and "it's those OTHER fat people who are REALLY fat that suck ass"

> my cholestoral and checkups put me within tolerable levels.

A reminder to everybody about the American standards for cholesterol levels: http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/majority-of-hospitalized-heart-75668.aspx

>Don't blame the great tasting but shitty food. Blame the laziness of the people unwilling to be active. It doesn't really take much, you can be large and healthy.

Any way you try to spin it, the stress your extra weight puts on your body is harmful even if you take a walk every day before you eat your deep fried butter

>>4882858
hurr dur same view so same person

>>4882861
fat IS fine.

Its crippling yourself because of the fatness that is the problem

get over it

>>4882858
If only I did /thread my own post. Good try though.

>>4882868
>I can photoshop

>>4882870

>fat IS fine

That goes against everything we know in medical science. No, you're fat and unhealthy, and that's not okay nor is it okay to promote the idea to other people

>>4882861
I don't even know why you're commenting, except to troll or hate.

That dude is preaching exercise and being personally responsible for his own eating habits. You have a problem with that, faggot?

>>4882861
sounds more like you're trying to justify eating healthy more than you want to justify living a fun life.

Live to 100, die in diapers, I don't give a shit. I'm having a great time and will happily die at 55-60, hopefully earlier.

>>4882881

>preaching exercise

He's saying "don't blame the shitty food you eat, just keep eating shitty food and go for a walk every once in a while, you'll be fine. Trust me, I weigh 250 pounds and the doctor said my cholesterol was tolerable. Yee-haw, git er done"

Yes I have a problem with that, pussy

>>4882882

It'd be pretty pathetic if the only thing you enjoy in life is eating

>>4882887
but he's right. You can be "large" and healthy. I'm a skinnyfag, but when I was in the army there were guys with a gut 100lbs larger than me, but not much taller, who could keep up just fine, and even beat me at some of the PT exams. Being fat does not equal unhealthy all the fucking time. Get over it.

>>4882890
its pretty pathetic if you set time aside in your life to measure the pluses and cons of something as basic and primitive as eating.

>>4882893

>You can be "large" and healthy.

Medically, you can't. Fat people die before everyone else. Sure an active fat person will have more stamina than an inactive skinny person but that speaks nothing for the diseases festering in side of them

>>4882877
takes about 1 minute to post again

>>4882868
>>4882871
same timestamp

as much as i love arguing over pointless shit, quit being a faggot

>>4882887
>Don't blame the great tasting but shitty food. Blame the laziness of the people unwilling to be active.

That quote is gold, and your hate is your own problem. He plays sports. Do you play sports? His lifestyle choices are better than a lot. Not perfect, no. But a damn fine bit better than a lot, and that's good enough him. Good enough for me too.

hiding this thread. fit/vegan threads who think being fat is bad cancering up /ck/ again.

>>4882899
You just cannot accept that the thread was not same /threaded can you?

>>4882906
you just can't accept that it wasn't me can't you?

>>4882901

The whole idea is wrong though. Exercise is great, but diet is the most important factor in health. You don't eat what your body needs, your body doesn't work properly. You'll be better off sedentary with a good diet than active with a shitty diet

>do you play sports

"Sports" is way too vague and says nothing about measurable activity levels. I actually work out, both cardio and weight-training, daily. If this guy was exercising significantly, he wouldn't be fat in the first place

>>4882909
Now you're just being stupid.
Are you American by chance?

>>4882913
you're being the stupid one. quit projecting american

>>4882912
Your closed-mindedness betrays you. I'm a skinnyfag myself, but I fully recognize that exercising significantly does not equate to low weight.

On top of that, your argument that diet is more important than exercise is extremely weak and might or might not be blatantly false. Science hasn't answered that one yet, unless you can provide me a citation.

Don't get be wrong brother, healthy diet is REALLY important. But there are TWO things "wrong" with fatties, not just one. That anon attempted to address the one that gets less exposure in our pop culture, and you just tried to shoot him down with some "NONONONO diet is more important than exercise and that makes you inferior!"

If I'm not misunderstanding and you really hold to that, burn in hell.

>>4882938
different guy and might not be reading argument right

are you saying that diet isn't the lead argument to fat people or stronge people?

if you saying diet isn't the main contribution to fatness and theres no science, you're a dumbass. its basic energy in and energy out. eat more, you turn fat

if you are not saying that, well then im the dumbass

>>4882938

Well let me explain what I think both of our perspectives are

You: He's fat but he realizes it and he moves around a bit and tells other people to move around too, so because of that he's a good man doing the lord's work

Me: He's a fat guy who excuses his terrible eating habits with claims of mild exercise, and tells other people that as long as they aren't wheelchair bound (yet) that this lifestyle is fine

I don't care if YOU'RE skinny, I'm a guy who's constantly researching health, and the harm done by bad food is much worse than inactivity could ever do

>>4882954
>the harm done by bad food is much worse than inactivity could ever do
Nope.

>>4882952
I think you've more or less got it straight. I'm saying that diet and exercise are, until proven otherwise, equal and equivalent when it comes to the obesity epidemic. So, no, diet is not the #1 contributor as a standalone factor. It's tied for 1st place. If that makes me a dumbass, that's fine.

>>4882954
Your position is fully understandable and I apologize for telling you to burn in hell. However, I think that said anon's statements are a move forward in American society, and it upsets me to see them disparaged. We do need more exercise, and that's what anon was encouraging. I must grant, however, that his disinclination to pay attention to his diet is a bad move, and as a result, I concede the point. However, I would like to stipulate that curing America's obesity epidemic is complicated, and I think anon was doing more good than harm.

It really depends on where you live. Ok, aside from /int/, most of the people here are from north america. But there are nations where eating healthy is painfully expensive.

I live on a tiny island in the Caribbean where fresh red peppers cost more per pound than chicken. I can spend 6$USD/lb on shit quality peppers, or I could go to a local joint and get a full takeout tray of fried chicken for 5$.

But yeah, in north america, there's no excuse for it.

>>4882966

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcYSlAMTJqE

Can being inactive for a couple of weeks destroy your lungs?

Exercise helps maintain your body, but if you're feeding yourself poison you're just undermining the exercise.

>>4882970
>I can spend 6$USD/lb on shit quality peppers, or I could go to a local joint and get a full takeout tray of fried chicken for 5$.
Complications due to obesity, diabetes, hypertension, etc. cost more in the long run.

People seem to not understand this.

>>4882970
Why no gardening in flowerpots on your windowsill? Peppers are among the easiest things to cultivate indoors.

>>4882978
It's an education issue. Don't fault people who have never even had a good chance at access to proper information. Just because you know the truth doesn't mean everyone knows the truth. This is the fundamental nature of the battle itself. There's so much info on so many things out there in this day and age. If people get overwhelmed and don't know how to prioritize it all for their own benefit, that's not just their problem. It's a civil problem, a problem for us all to combat.

>>4882710
>yuroturds are this stupid
There are certain vitamins and minerals that the body doesn't create on its own and we have to get from pills or some kind of food.

>>4882995
So we need pills for a healthy diet?

Hook, line, and sinker.

>>4882981
I'm not a poor local, so I buy what I want.

Often it is too hot to propagate many vegetables, and there is no soil suitable for growing vegetables, so you need to be able to
-afford topsoil
-generate a temperature regulated environment
-afford water to keep your veggies alive
This place is inhospitable to vegetables and it shows in the 5$ pints of imported cherry tomatoes. Grapes run about 9$/lb. Fresh stonefruit like peaches or plums is 5 -7$/lb. Fuck, even I succumb to the 'five dolla chicken'. It's a day's worth of calories, not to mention its friend fucking chicken.
In general, anything that can be frozen or has a ton of preservatives will last longer here and thus is cheaper.
And this anon
>>4882988
is right. The locals are largely uneducated, so they just look at what's affordable.

>>4883023
Afford topsoil is where it's at. At least enough to fill a flowerpot, which can then provide you with enough resources to at least supplement your diet with some fresh, FREE stuff with really very minor skill and effort. It's a no-brainer to me.

This is what really blows my mind. The fact that our overlords, whoever they may be, have convinced our populace that they don't need to supplement their own livelihood with the sweat of their brow--effort put directly into soil. Fuckin a man. What happened to British Victory Gardens? When the Germans were defeated, was everyone just like "Hey, rationing is over and markets are up again! I don't need to weed anymore!"

Man, peppers at very least are easy as hell. They are very forgiving and they naturally flourish in hot climates. Afford water, I guess, that shows up as a problem in my reread. Temp regulation is not required though. Peppers are very forgiving.

>>4882053
Healthy food is the cheapest food. Lentils and eggs give you everything you need and you can eat for like $20/week on those bastards.

>>4882041
>too poor to buy good food
>instead spend more on eating out every single fucking day

i mean really eating out is so fucking expensive unless you live on mcdoubles

>>4882068
thats when you do the "raw food diet" or as i like to call it the to lazy to cook diet

>>4882388
TJ's is cheap as shit. I buy all my food there and spend less than $40/week.

>>4883023
>afford water
...

>>4883109
>healthy food is cheapest

lol - wrong

>>4883124
Where I live, you can buy lentils for $2/pound and eggs for $3/dozen, i.e. get all your macros for a week for like $15-20.
Do you seriously think that processing food to turn it into bullshit makes it less expensive to the consumer?

>>4882995
>There are certain vitamins and minerals that the body doesn't create on its own

So every single human who ever lived before supplements and vitamin pills were invented died in his infancy. How was he even born when his mother had already died in her infancy.

Jesus Christ how can somebody be so retarded? With a balanced diet the body gets EVERY SINGLE FUCKING vitamin and trace mineral you could possible need.

>>4882041
as a fellow /fit/izen i say, back to /fit/ with you.

>>4883169
what he means is you have to consume them, either through supplements or other foods.
and to be fair, a huge chunk of populations before had plenty of random deaths due to not having the right nutrition.

>>4883141

Eggs aren't healthy though, mr. egg lobbyist

>>4882760

That is true, of course. But especially nowadays with recipes for healthy, cheap food all over the place, YouTube instruction videos on how to do things and TV shows dedicated to show people how to cook good meals, there is very, very little excuse to not step into the kitchen. The only reason is that they're lazy because I will not believe they're too poor to afford the basic cooking utensils.

>>4882995

Yes, and that's why you need to have a balanced diet and not whatever you're putting on your plate.

>>4883118
>TJ's is cheap as shit

This so much

>Lost job, get food stamps
>Can't afford the $100+ a week food trips to the grocery store anymore
>Spend about $50-60 a week for two people at Trader Joe's
>Used to eat things like beef stroganoff, lots of snacks, mostly fatty foods in general
>Now eat more veggies, TJ tomato pesto chicken sausage, "veggie" sticks for snacks with TJ chunky salsa, more healthier options in general

I'm happy to say I've lost 48 pounds since switching and spend a lot less than I used to. Picture related is what's for dinner tonight with some of TJ's veggie rice. Mm-mm-mmm, delicious.

It depends on the fatty. I think for some poor fatties you can see how it happens- if you've been raised eating junk, thinking that's normal, getting used to having a diet high in fat and salt and sugar, living in the inner city in a rented place with shitty cooking facilities and no big shops nearby, maybe even struggling to pay electricity bills, I can see how it would be pretty daunting to learn how to cook when that's all you've been used to and you don't have ready access to ways to educate yourselves and healthy meals taste weird because you've spent the last 20 years eating junk. Not saying it's impossible for those fatties to get a healthy diet, but if you're uneducated and live in a rundown area and don't come from a family that taught you how to cook, it must be pretty overwhelming when it would take you weeks to slowly stock up on cooking utensils and basic store cupboard supplies from your limited budget so that you can experiment with meals you've never even heard of and might ruin or just not like once you've made them.

However, I also think it's just an easy excuse for the majority of fat people. I know a lot of fatties who do have access to libraries and internet, watch TV all the fucking time and could easily look at some cooking programmes, live near plenty of shops and have disposable income. They're usually spending more on takeaways and shitty frozen food than I do on a healthy diet, and they could easily learn how to cook if they really wanted. They just don't want to, and it's easier for them to say "healthy food is too expensive!" than admit they just don't want to put any time or effort into eating well.

>>4882852
>yet we give these retards money

That's because at this point, the child exists. Yes, the parent was stupid and irresponsible, but it's not fair to punish the child for that by making it starve.

>>4883169
>So every single human who ever lived before supplements and vitamin pills were invented died in his infancy.

I've come to the conclusion that you can only be two of the following:

>poor
>intelligent
>fat

If you're poor and intelligent you'll find a way to make healthy food and using beans, lentils, eggs (fuck >>4883308, eggs are good for you), cheap chicken cuts like thighs and quarters, etc etc.

If you're intelligent and fat then you must not be poor, otherwise you would do above. You probably spend your extra income on restaurant food or you cook expensive high-calorie meals.

If you're poor and fat then you must not be intelligent, since you were unable to make healthy food cheaply or you lack the mental capacity to factor in all of the health risks of being fat and adjust your diet accordingly.

Stop removing the context of these things. Poor people aren't necessarily stupid- most people know McDonalds is shit for you. But try having to work 2-3 jobs to survive and still having the time to cook every night, also the matter of education in poor communities being really terrible.

I am a "fatty", and very poor, yet I find enough resources to eat healthy. Mostly buying bulk, and cheap and canned and shit. I'm improving my diet even though I am poor as fuck.

So all those people are just silly little pricks who whine about shit

>>4883718

Trader Joe's isn't Aldi's brand in America?

Also
>$100+ food trips

What were you eating, money?

>>4883882
Not sure about the Aldi bit.

>What were you eating, money?

I grew up in a financially blessed, but very unhealthy family with a total of 7 mouths to be fed. We used to spend almost $150-200 a week on junk. Unfortunately it took losing our money and realizing we were fat, lazy pigs to change. The supermarket I used to go to is horribly expensive for no reason.

>Mac and cheese - $1.25
>Supermarket m&c - $3

>>4883872
you're poor because you have a shitty job with shit hours

>>4883141
>a diet of nothing but lentils and eggs
I care about health but jeez...

>>4882041
I like 'em a lot more than you, Bob Saget.

>>4883308
>eggs aren't healthy
>japanese people eat around 2 to 3 eggs a day
Surely their health sucks man, look at how young they die.

>>4882068
>not enough time to make food
>spend 10 hours on facebook
Some people are just born fucking lazy that they use excuses except for some people who do 2 jobs that really don't have the time. (Although I still can make healthy food, stored in the fridge ready to be reheated before eating).

>>4883810
It's also not fair to baby the parents into easily neglecting the responsibility for the child.

>>4882388

Trader Joes is full of cheap food. Its not like its whole foods or some shit.

>>4882388

I get irritated every time I see someone with a Trader Joe's bag.

Half the vendors at the NYC greenmarket accept EBT. It warms my heart when I see some obese minority gingerly picking through heirloom vegetables and asking a white hippie farmer how a certain seasonal herb should be cooked. It just shows how urban reality is the real reality because it brings people together, unlike the places from which civilization is fleeing, such as where tripfag lives. He can fester in his provincial hatred and masturbate his anger at the idea that people help each other, and we decent people can look towards the bright future of urban life.

>mfw a big mac meal with a coke costs you over $6

>>4882473
It's tough when the parents were raised the same way, due to the poor. Where are they supposed to learn these new skills?

>>4882050
A lot of poor people don't have access to fresh fruit and vegetables. Look at Detroit. There are no grocery stores. People have to buy their food from party stores and gas stations. Even some pizzerias won't deliver after dark.

>>4886303

WHAT A STEAL

>>4882041
if they were really poor the would learn to cook homemade food. the same type of home made food fat rich people get at restaurants

>>4882041

I currently have a microwave to cook with, and I can only afford Ramen. Sometimes people are actually too poor to eat healthy.

>>4886307
Well what happened was either the food the parents ate and were still healthy became unhealthier due to processing, and/or less physical activity than before.

>>4886318
>A lot of poor people don't have access to fresh fruit and vegetables. Look at Detroit. There are no grocery stores. People have to buy their food from party stores and gas stations. Even some pizzerias won't deliver after dark.
There's not much in the heart of the downtown commercial district near the river, but that's because there's little residential there...same way you don't see supermarkets in the heart of Manhattan's financial district. There are plenty of markets with good produce near downtown/midtown though. There's even a Whole Foods at John R & Mack. Detroit has lots of real problems, and after-dark crime risk is no joke, but the "can't buy produce" is more media/political hype than reality.

>>4886635
>I currently have a microwave to cook with, and I can only afford Ramen. Sometimes people are actually too poor to eat healthy.
Dude, that's what people are railing against, you're paying more money to eat shittier processed food because you're an ignorant retard, not because you're poor. Switch from ramen to oatmeal, cooked in a microwave.
Ramen, $0.19 a pack (42g serving), 18% of daily sat fat, 3% daily fiber, 10% daily iron, 5g protein.
Oatmeal, $0.11 a 40g serving ($3.20 per 42 oz container), 2% of daily sat fat, 15% daily fiber, 10% daily iron, 5g protein.

You're paying nearly twice as much for sat fats & a dozen chemical additives while getting no dietary fiber, and justify it by playing the "poor" card. You've obviously got internet access, educate yourself.

>>4886832

This really would have been great to know before I spent the last of my money.

>>4886839
wow you're a fucking retard, you deserve it

>>4886832
oats at a union run store like smiths or walmart is about 8 dollars. the same size of oats at a non union store is 3 dollars.

>charging way more for healthy food to pay for union wages

>>4886867
I am a unionized worker at a store, and this isn't true. Get the fuck out, Tea Party dipshit

>>4886867
wait, i just noticed you listed Wal-Mart as a union run store. You fucking imbecile, unionized Wal-Marts are few and far between because Wally-World spends tens of millions of dollars yearly to union-busters

>>4886896
how much do a 42 ounce container of oats cost at your store? its 2.79 at a non union store give me a price and name your store and i will name multiple non union stores with cheaper prices and fresher more humanly raised food

>>4886904
2.99 at the Kroger I work at. Also, you're full of shit Ted Cruz

>>4886896
union run mass produced kroger brautwurst or italian sausage is 4.49 a pound were as sprouts frsh handmade chicken italian or feta spinach sausage is 2.99 a pound

>>4886912
weird because it is 8 dollars at the kroger run smiths were i live and same price at the walmart were i live. both of which have nothing but union workers.

smiths = one bulb of garlic for 59 cents
farmers market or any other store that isnt over staffed with union workers = 5 bulbs in a mesh sleeve for 59 cents or two sleeves for one dollar

kroger/smiths and walmart = one pound of onions for 79 cents if on sale

farmers market and non union stores = 5 pounds of onions for one dollar

>tfw union run kroger/smiths stopped selling totinos pizza because kroger brand pizza became smaller and more expensive then totinos pizza

>>4886916
Walmart.com sells it for $3.18 per 42 ounce container, free shipping in the US on orders over $50. Skeptical of $8 in-store claim...what location?
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Oven-Toasted-Old-Fashioned-Oats-42-oz/10314925

talking about union workers charging alot more for healthy food gets a fortune cookie saying "bad luck and extreme misfortune will infest your pathetic soul for all eternity"

>>4882823
The fuck is wrong with chicken?

>>4886946
thats the online price. but the in store price at smiths and walmart for the less expensive non quaker brand oats in new mexico is about 4 cents less then 8 dollars for 42 ounces

>tfw if you are poor you shouldnt have internet
>tfw the poor need internet to not get raped on in store food prices

>tfw union workers wage war against nonunion stores because non union stores have fresher meat and produce and less expensive food.

yes non union stores have employies to watch the customers as well except they dont have to pay union wages to defend union stores for selling green meat

>>4883118
>unless you're feeding yourself on less than $20 a week, you're eating expensive luxury food.

>>4883904

I'm poor because I am a jobless student living of goverment money..... I would love a job

>>4887015
Shit that wasn't supposed to be greentext.

>>4886941
>>4886924
>>4886921
>>4886916

>triple posting still unproven claims

>>4887091
call up walmart or kroger/smiths and ask for a price check on 42 ounces of oats. ask how much for kroger brand brauts/sausage. then call up sprouts and ask how much for the home made fresh brauts/sausage.

>tfw unions unioned a deal with coffee companies and ended up with tasteless black silk coffee and other tastless store brand coffee.

yuba coffee has more flavor then black silk coffee sold in union run smiths/kroger stores

>>4886972
Again, what location Wal-Mart are you talking about? A Reuters article from March of this year said "Wal-Mart does not have union-represented workers in its U.S. stores."

>>4887150
thats odd.
>tfw having enough money and balls to call a union by another name

>>4883882
Yeah, theyre owned by the same people iirc.
Aldi is legit, but a lot of the food tastes tasteless and shitty compared to name brand. A lot of it is something you can only find one time and never find again.
>Im looking at you apple salsa from aldi.
Aldi's is where poor should shop at really.

>>4887185
>>tfw having enough money and balls to call a union by another name
>tfw u think ur trolling /ck/ that Wal-Mart is a socialist-sympathising union shop known for outrageously high prices on common commodities

>>4887144
Why do you hate Unions so much?

>not just eating less of that high calorie food to begin with

>>4883169
>we have to get from pills or some kind of food.
>or some kind of food
>or some kind of food
>or some kind of food

>>4889813
Not him but maybe because they are low skilled leaches bent on driving consumer prices to levels where they eventually kill the industry.

I feel like they're poor and stupid. Bananas and apples are cheap. You can love off of the starches from bananas for months on end and lose shittons of weight.

People are just lazy

>>4882388
Thanks for shitting on poor people.

>>4886302
Meh, lots of people who have EBT cards are actually helping out stores and vendors.
To address the OP Too poor could also mean homeless, in which case they wouldn't have a fridge to store food or pots to cook food in or even and oven to bake food.

It's also possible to be unable to afford to eat healthy because you can't afford all the things you need and a gas bill, or that you simply don't have enough money to buy all of the healthy things you want and structure a diet around it.

200 dollars isn't really that much to live off of when you think about it.

Oh and people who sleep on the streets, get around... 290 I think, not that much more.

>>4882041
Healthy food is usually the cheapest food. The reason lardos wont eat it is because of how difficult it is to make most of it. They just want to open up a box of pop tarts or rip open a bag of chips

>>4889869
If you exclusively eat any one type of food you will lose weight.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

>>4889869
yeah because realistically I'm going to shove bananas in my backpack, and just snack on those all day.

you know If /ck/ hates poorfags so much why don't you just make a fucking list of how to manage a poor fag budget on 200 dollars a month?!

that's it /ck/

YOU, A /ck/ BUDGET, $200
NO COOKED ITEMS, ONLY COLD OR NON COOKED FOOD AND NO FOOD THAT REQUIRES STORAGE!

yeah lets see you do that. I'll even help you out. you can still buy 50 cent bags of chips in the store that are 1.8 ounces, which is cheaper than buying the dollar bag of chips that's only 2.5 ounces.

Also you can buy cheese rolls with onion tomato and lettuce for only 2.50 in most corner stores.

one roll, a bag of chips (or a sneakers) and a banana should last you half the day if you're working.

Shit it'll last you till night if you're on the 4chan.

I don't care much about how fat they are, but fuck poor people for being lazy

>>4889882
>poor people are lazy
[citation needed]

>>4889879

I'm poor faggot. I get EBT. I'm healthy and I go to college. It's simple.

Spend all of your food stamps in the PRODUCE section of the store. You know, the bright colorful area. There, problem solved.

>>4889879
poorfags are too lazy to work to not be a poorfag

now they're too lazy to even pick what they wantto eat or spend their mooched ebt dollars

I suppose I can understand poor/low income parents with a few kids to feed saying it

but not some 300lb blimp who eats nothing but fast food and snacks

>>4889886
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

>>4889892
>working manual labor
>bus or serve tables in a restaurant
>assembling meals at McDonalds
>lazy

B-but sitting at my computer doing spreadsheets and making calls can sometimes be stressful! Muh hard-earned money!

>>4889879
>being this autistic

>NO COOKED ITEMS, ONLY COLD OR NON COOKED FOOD AND NO FOOD THAT REQUIRES STORAGE!

where do you live, in cardboard box in the alley?

>>4889887
I'm a poor homelessfag...

where would I store my produce?!
>>4889892
Actually I'm in culinary school. And I do work, for free, at my externship. I average 35 hours a week.

I stopped early today because the chef was being an excessive asshole and i want to quit my extern there and go to another site.

So yeah tell me more about how poor people are always stealing your hard earned shekels.

>>4889887
Also produce, Should I buy up produce at whole foods, or what? I'd like to at least enjoy the food I eat man. Not just stuff down shit because Its healthy.

>>4889916
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wards_Island

Schwartz building...

If I had money to shower daily or at least a couple times a week, and a place to keep my shit I'd rather live on the streets.
>>4889893
Sadly people that fat are too fat to commit suicide.

>>4889918

you should stop being such a whiny faggot. If you're homeless, only buy the food you need for each day. Walking to the store can be your exercise.

>>4889927
>lives in NYC
>complains about being poor

I have never understood you NYC fags. If you can't afford to live there, either move or stop complaining.

>>4889871
people who sleep on the street get 200 dollars a month.

>>4889934
I walk from 103rd and 1st to the schwartz building.

There's a bridge there that goes right to the back of the island.

I do a fair amount of exercise. As for being whiny, I think I made a pretty good point. I've got to go pick up some D&D books.

>>4889946
Fuck those guys, those people are nothing but begging fags who don't even want to work. hate those guys.

>>4889945
Not really, Most people bitch because they want some nice place. I'd rather live in some shitty apartment complex and fort that shit up like a dragon.

realistically though finding good rent isn't easy.

It's best to just make three friends and rent a single bedroom. Then Just go full mexican.

>"those two guys just vist me every day for a few hours, then leave."

not knowing that other people live in the same apartment and have fun everyday, playing vidya and lurking the internet.

Going to weekly D&D meet ups.
maybe someday.

>>4889813 see this >>4889832
yes union run stores end up selling generic oats for 8 dollars for 42 ounces and if you mention the meat they are selling is green they union up and kick you out of the union stores.

>>4889961
>It's best to just make three friends and rent a single bedroom

Fuck that. I leave near the beach in a three story townhome all to myself. I'll take the warm weather, seaside living over a major city any day.

Maybe in rural parts of the country, but if you live in a major city there's no reason to be fat because you're poor.

Im poor and skinny as hell. I eat healthy food and walk all the time. Fat poor people are usually just really stupid.

>>4889961
>It's best to just make three friends and rent a single bedroom.
This is what I did during college in Los Angeles. Never a-fucking-gain.

LA and NYC are not so great I would ever want to deal with a shared bedroom situation. (frankly I didn't like anything about NYC when I visited)

>>4882041

Poverty leads to Obesity. It's a fact.

Studies have shown that individuals who have low incomes or live in families with low incomes tend to resort to cheaper forms of sustenance in order to sustain their budgets.

Cheap, Easy, are just excuses for being poor and/or not having a job or the money to afford more expensive, higher quality food.


The fact of the matter is, you feel different when you eat a triple angus cheese burger from wendy's versus a ciabatta chicken BLT with pesto sauce, even though they may both take up the same amount of calories.

Quality is better for your health, although more expensive. Poor people are not only more likely to die young, but are ironically more likely to help donate to charity, feed the homeless, volunteer at soup kitchens, and aid non profits.

The Good Die Young.

>>4890018

>go to china
>people with 1/10 the money the "poor" in america have are thin

>>4890018
I see your bleeding heart from all the way over here.

>>4890018

>versus a ciabatta chicken BLT with pesto sauce

Is-- is that supposed to be the healthy option in your example?

>>4890023
He's clearly a suburban white bread liberal progressive who has never even been outside of his cul-de-sac. Pic related.

>>4890020

Quit trolling you know how values of currency differentiate.

>>4890021

What?

>>4890023

from trader joes

>>4890031
>from trader joes
called it.

>>4890018
dont forget. poverty also means you can not afford to go do things. yes you can walk if your not disabled but you can only walk around the block so many times before you become that poverty piece of trash nobody likes cuz your poverty stricken which leaves almost nothing else to do but eat. but what about middle class people who are fat? maybe we should take away stuff from them as they can not afford hospital bills either. oh wait didnt the rich people get away with that with tax cuts? well atleast the rich people can afford to get insurance that pays for their hospital bills. insurance that also gets money from taking it from the poor and middle class.

>>4890031

>trader joes

Oh, well then that makes it healthy

>>4890036

>knows what trader joes is
>acts like he's not a suburban liberal
>repeatedly tries to derail the thread.

>>4890042
>implying using google is hard
>implying I would have anything to do with the mental disorder known as liberalism
>implying the "woe the poor don't know any better" guy isn't the one derailing the thread

It's been fun tho. I'll leave you with my screensaver.

>>4890040

They were already receiving those takes cuts long before the financial crisis. Try crossing the street some time.

Stop derailing the thread people.

>>4890047

I agree with the George Zimmerman Verdict.

"Disease" of Liberalism? Oh Lawd.

Do tell.

Samefags these days.

>>4882710
I meant if that was your definition of healthy. Not my definition of healthy, but it does fit in with others definitions.

>>4890052
the government workers are like a union. they claim sovereign immunity and are protected by the state bar association which means if a worker has a bad day and beats your ass and calls the cops on you for no reason except he didnt like your attitude of not accepting his asshead attitude you will not be able to get a lawyer to represent you in court even though lawyers publically say they do. the lawyer falls though at the last minute and sides with the government employie. government employies sometimes gang together and do work slow downs and say they need more money from the federal government and nothing can stop them when they gang up together. government employies who feel self entitled are a drain on society and taxpayers money. shit hit the fan when the feds stopped allowing the state to hire mexican citizens at slave labor who were just in the states on a 90 day work permit. but yeah people with severe medical problems on ebt are a drain on society and not nobody else. try to file paper work in court. guess what the court employies are part of the same union protected by the state bar as well

>>4889879
>yeah because realistically I'm going to shove bananas in my backpack, and just snack on those all day.
...
>YOU, A /ck/ BUDGET, $200
>NO COOKED ITEMS, ONLY COLD OR NON COOKED FOOD AND NO FOOD THAT REQUIRES STORAGE!

A healthy raw foodie diet on $200/month is easy, even without refrigeration, but no storage is pretty insurmountable. You might not like it, but you've got to keep some foods in your backpack or bags. Bread, chips, and bananas might get smushed, but they aren't going to go bad on you. Space is at a premium when homeless, but food should be among the highest priority uses of what space you have.

If room-temp storage weren't a problem, and I had a bowl, can opener, knife, fork, and spoon, my monthly shopping lists would total something like this:

$1.41 Conola oil (24 fl oz, or 48 tbsp)
$2.08 Iodized salt (4 oz) and pepper (1.5 oz) shakers
$2.16 Garlic powder (3.12 ounce bottle)
$0.78 Lemon juice (2.5 ounce bottle)
$4.95 Carrots (5 pounds, 60 carrots)
$19.15 Bulgar Wheat (10 pounds)
$11.76 Bananas (24 pounds, 90 bananas)
$15.16 Nonfat fortified instant dry milk (64 ounces - 80 cups reconstituted)
$15.50 Total Whole Grain cereal (64 ounces - four boxes)
$10.50 Creamy Peanut Butter (80 ounces)
$12.00 Whole wheat bread (four loaves)
$13.20 Canned chick peas (225 ounces - 15 cans)
$13.41 Tahini (32 ounces)
$7.98 Tostitos tortilla chips (31.25 ounces - 2 bags)

Total $130.93 (mostly using Wal-Mart prices)

Daily diet would be 3 bananas, 2 servings of cereal & reconstituted milk, a PB&J sandwich (4 tbsp PB, 1 tbsp J), a bulgur & carrot salad, and hummus with tortilla chips. 2526 calories a day, more than RDI for protein and all essential vitamins and minerals.

>>4890403
Goddamn you're good.

>>4889886
how the hell else do you think they got poor and fat

It surely wasn't through hard work or smart decisions

>>4890403
now try to fit that stuff in your back pack. also good luck legally getting free water

>>4890403
>4 tbsp PB, 1 tbsp J

>ever making a PB&J with higher than a 1:1 PB:J ratio

You're never too poor to eat less

I could give zero fucks about whether you go the whole hog on good nutrition, simply eating less of what you're currently eating will be a massive improvement.

>muh hunger
Its a habit, couple of days in it'll become easier, after a few weeks it won't be bad, after a couple of months it'll be all but gone.

>>4889879
1 dollar loaf of bread
1 dollar pack of baloney
1 dollar pack of sliced cheese

90 dollars a month. knock your self out with the extra 110 dollars a month

>>4882719

get a load of this guy

>>4890459
oh yeah. eat alot of sandwiches within 4 hours so dosent go bad. school kids keep premade sandwiches for that long

>>4882055
Poor ass faggot here who has no car and no grocery store within a mile. its called a fucking bike, yes I bring all my groceries home with it. fuck you, if you're poor you have every reason to grab a bike and shop with it. No it was not some state of the art bike, it was a shitty 16 year old piece of shit with absolutely no working breaks or gear shifts, I had to break with my feet. fuck you. I can eat whatever I want, but meat is generally cheaper than vegetables. and I like the taste, frozen peas, ovacados, onions, (lots of onions) carrots. theres lots of cheap veggies too. buy that shit, carry it home up and down hills in two canvas bags on the handlebars and a back pack. fuck minimarts.

>>4890494
sorry about him, that guys a faggot, here dumbass, let me help you out. you get bread. you get carrots, you get oranges, you get bananas, and you get green bell peppers, and you get cans of beans, and you get tortillas (these things can last a month, ffs.), and you get peanut butter, onions.

>>DURRRR what? that stuff goes bad
thats why you buy it in quantities you can eat you fuck head. none of these things go bad in a day either, you can eat off of it for weeks. if you need protein grab some deli meat from the manager special deli section, you wont be fridging it anyway. share with your friends.

>>4886779
I heard that all those empty lots are great for community gardens.

>>4890453
>not realizing there should always be significantly more PB than J