/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>5287195
Seriously, look at this:
http://www.pinterest.com/vfortheanimals/go-vegan-its-easy/

Cost, for one.
>inb4 rice, beans, and lentils

>>5287200
Yeah, cost is a bullshit excuse.
http://www.peta2.com/lifestyle/easy-vegan-cake-mix-hacks/

Your last thread just said let's have a troll thread.
Went no where.

Now this one.
It's like you are trying to use the least amount of kindling to make a fire just to see if you can do it.

>>5287195
Serious question, is human milk vegan?

>>5287208
What?

This is the first thread I've made in like, months.

>>5287208
The word "vegan" is enough to incite dogmatic shitposting from both sides.

>>5287209
Yes?

I think most vegans breast feed.

>>5287209
I have been having an affair with a married woman. She had a kid since we started (not mine) I have been tasting the milks during sex and there is no way I could ever get through a whole glass.
It's so sweet it almost tastes like artificial sweetener.

>>5287195
As an assistant dairy scientist, your image gave me a sensible chuckle. New desktop background.

No idea what you are suggesting in your post, though.

>>5287206
The fuck? Are you implying my vegan diet should be cake?

A carb heavy vegan diet is shit for health too.

>and is usually healthier for us

Too bad your brain needs animal fats to develop properly.

>>5287222
So vegans can't drink cow milk (or goat milk or any other animal's milk) but can drink human milk.

I see a business opportunity; selling packaged, homogenized, UHT treated human milk to vegans.

>>5287247
I don't think the FDA would allow that.

>>5287195
Whole fried organic vegans.

>>5287232
Just making a point that it's easy and can be very cheap.

But yeah, beans, grains, bananas, carrots, things like that are examples of cheap healthy vegan foods.

The other day I made sloppy joes with Boca beefless crumbles, Manwich sauce, and white hamburger buns and it cost me about 4 dollars for eight sloppy joes. Again, not the healthiest example, but still shows how easy it is to eat vegan for cheap.

>>5287249
they don't. Except strictly regulated for women who can't nurse but need benefits of breastmilk.

>>5287254
There is no way in hell those Joes were as good as beef. Not even close.

>>5287249
After lobbying by giving big "donations" to political parties, a bill can be passed to allow it and FDA can't do anything about it. Vegans can get together and do a campaign for it to raise funds.

After passing over the "eww" factor, it can be a good food item for vegans. Many teenagers might do "eww" but many adults will be okay with it.

Imagine the possibilities. Cereal with "Milk". Real ice cream with "Milk".

Milk from Humans: Hilk

Need some good brand name for it.

>>5287236
No...

A vegan diet has been approved for all stages of life by the ADA.

We have much bigger problems from too much animal protein than vegan families typically have with malnutrition.
(Read Disease-Proof Your Child by Dr. Fuhrman)

(inb4 link to story about vegan mother who fed her child nothing but breast milk and apple juice)

>>5287262
My omnivorous mother ate most of them. Between the two of us, there were no leftovers.

>>5287254
If you didn't want beef, why not just pork? It's just as beefless as whatever that boca bullshit is.

>>5287270
That does not make them equal to their beef counterparts.

>>5287276
???

1. That would be really gross.
2. That would be more expensive.
3. One of the points I was trying to make with this post is that we don't have to fund needless animal abuse, and the least we could do is try to cut down on it.
4. Boca beefless crumbles are actually pretty delicious and make an excellent sloppy joe.

>>5287277
I haven't had beef in so long it's hard for me to give an honest comparison to a typical beef based sloppy joe. All I can say is try it for yourself.

Whether or not they taste exactly like beef, I don't really know, but I do know they are pleasing to omnivores (and me).

>>5287266
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/17/is-veganism-good-for-everyone/a-choice-with-definite-risks

I sure as hell wouldn't risk it with my child.

>>5287289
You mom ate that slop so you would not cry

Anyone here who went from omnivore to vegan?

Have you tried any imitation chicken which taste like real chicken?
What's the brand name?
Does it has all the protein (essential amino acids) that body need?
Is it lace with harmful or unpronounceable chemicals?

I fucking hate having to share /ck/ with vegans.

>>5287296
quorn brand is really good one. its made from a fungus instead of soy

the Gruyere cutlets are good for sammichs

>>5287293
I actually have made it multiple times and don't even offer it to her anymore because she always hogs it.

>>5287296
>What's the brand name?

No. You're doing it wrong. Doesn't matter if you're vegan or omni or whatever. Don't by "brand name". Buy raw ingredients. Veggies, fruits, meat, fish, poultry, grains, nuts, etc. Processed foods are the real enemy, not meat.

>>5287305
>meat, fish, poultry
vegan?

>>5287292
I sure as hell wouldn't risk the Standard American Diet on my child.

Seba Johnson and Nyjah Huston were raised vegan since birth. One of them is an Olympian and the other, a pro-skater. Joaquin Phoenix was raised vegan since age three. There are countless healthy vegan babies. And there are countless unhealthy omnivorous babies.

Also, please note that woman is not a dietician and is being very misleading.

Here's a response to that article from an actual dietician:
http://www.theveganrd.com/2012/04/the-new-york-times-nina-planck-and-safety-of-vegan-diets.html

>>5287296
I personally don't eat it because it kind of freaks me out, but omnivores say that Beyond Meat tastes like real chicken. It has all the essential amino acids you need and to my knowledge there are no scary chemicals.

My favorite is Gardein. Just ate one of their chick'n sliders. Mm. I was an omnivore and to me it tastes better than real chicken did.

My omnivorous family loves them too, especially my niece.

>>5287300
>quorn
i am okay with fungus, if:
* has all essential amino acids
* company doesn't add shit load of chemicals to make it "taste" better.

>>5287195

>>5287320
>Consequently, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Dietetic Association support a vegan diet for children, as long as parents plan the children's diets carefully and give their children sufficient supplements.

>sufficient supplements

And you seem to be operating under the false dichotomy of omnivore=unhealthy diet that includes animals/animal biproducts.

Did you guys not see this yet?
http://www.pinterest.com/vfortheanimals/go-vegan-its-easy/

This is not the fun kind of vegan troll thread :(

>>5287362
It's beautiful.

>>5287367
best comment in the tread/10

>>5287362
>for the animals
The funniest thing is that they wouldn't return the favour. All predators would/ have eaten human. I'm sure if a Chimp was hungry enough they'd eat human, they already eat other monkeys.

>>5287195
Why are vegans such huge faggots?

You could've just said "What are some vegan recipes" but you had to go full on attentionwhore

>>5287362

>>5287461

>>5287461
>tempeh
>reuben club

I don't have a reaction image with enough vomit in it for this one

>>5287454
I often come across recipes for cupcakes or things like that that would taste just as delicious if not more delicious if they were made vegan, and it seems weird to me.

This stuff should be vegan by default, but because our culture has stuck animal products in basically everything for so long, most people just assume that that's the way you should make it.

It especially bothers me when most of a restaurants menu items could have been veganized, but then they'll just have like one or two vegan options on the menu, and it will be something stupid like a Boca patty instead of beef. Or oatmeal with maybe if you're lucky a side of fruit.

>>5287461
Jesus fuck will they just eat some fucking meat already? Is this really nessesary? Just EAT THE FUCKING MEAT they are begging themselves to eat meat Jesus fucking Christ.

>>5287494
Tempeh > meat.

Yeah I said it.

>>5287499
Yeah well you say a lot of dumb shit.

>>5287508
Oh god. You people and your meat. Learn to cook something else.

Meat is gross. I was relieved when I went vegan because it meant I didn't have to eat that shit ever again.

Bet you people haven't even tried tempeh before.

>>5287512
>you people
We all eat food to live, some of us just embrace diversity more readily.

http://ethicalchef.co.uk/recipe/vegan-lemon-cake/

>>5287512
>Bet you people haven't even tried tempeh before.

Having never tried it, I can say with
100% certainty that it is not as good as meat.

I have had a lot of vegan meals before, usually through vegan friends or just curiosity.

I have had exactly one good one. Was if some new kind of solidified meat-ish product?

It was FUCKING VEGETABLES. Just high quality vegetables in unique and tasty combinations. Eggplant and tomato with cornmeal, fried in EVOO. Grilled zucchini with red wine braised cabbage. Wild rice in avocado/cilantro cream. Endives with mandarin orange, hazelnuts, and coconut milk flan.

Nothing in quotes. Nothing was a "vegan (insert common food here)". It wasn't some science experiment of agar, cashew flour, and palm oil. Just good, solid, real food that just happened to satisfy vegan requirements.

>>5287661

This. I'm going mostly vegan for health reasons and the worst vegan foods are the substitutes and other bullshit that meets vegan standards but is a circuitous way to be unhealthy.

Literally anything mixed with rice is always delicious. You can do SO MUCH shit with rice. Mushrooms, peppers, etc. I can make some mean vegan stir-frys. Different combinations of alcohol, tomato sauces, etc.

Vegans who go vegan for moral reasons are not only fucking retarded, but they're always the ones who have the shittiest diets comprised of 90% oreos 5% white bread 5% shit that might actually be good.

i LIKE op's pic. I like vegtables. but the caption or answer would be...keeping you alive, otherwise salted down jerky,your hide, and more trov(u)ble than you are worth. . I like meat, veg and fruit. dairy nd egg. it's all iter-related. I live in the mid south. and to equate humans as farm animals was despicible seriously makes me ill. a commodity, to be bought or sold. a famous Quote : I would not own a slave because I would not be one. every person is different, yet the same. not the same with animals. Iknow, am 54, had 6 (maybe 7) dogs, 2 cats, one pony, 2 horses the requsite fish,hamsters,guinea pigs,read charlotte's web and stuart little or rabbit hill. I would never be cruel.but ... god i hate theological arguments... but true...always want to embellish, but the facts are the same. you get hungry you eat, or want and try.to boy,nobody wan'ts to hear That. Nations and individuals. can get pretty bad. (sorry lost my train of thought,never was a very good station to begin with) dont = animals to humans.what ever "race". just too deep thinking thunking,um thuinking er thinking for me

>>5287724
Confused old lady is my favorite /ck/ user ever.

Makes any thread instantly charming.

>>5287743
Lady?

>>5287667
fucking fresh shiitake mushrooms are the godtier of godtier.
If I can get them reasonably priced locally I will eat those shits til I almost burst.

But yeah nah, you can make some awesome bean centric dishes without needing to imitate meat.
If you want to eat meat, eat the damn stuff and live a life you enjoy while it lasts.

>>5287724
i read this in pumbaas voice

>>5287661
I agree that a lot of times simple, whole foods can be the best. But just because something is made to replace something else doesn't mean it's not real food.

There are bad vegan products and there are good ones. I've heard from omnivores that they like cashew "cheese" better than real cheese.

I've been vegan for four years and while I tend to go for the whole foods, there are some really good faux meats and cheeses. I don't see it as fake food (unless there really are a ton of chemicals but that's not usually the case with the faux meats and cheeses I eat). It's usually just a blend of different proteins, seasoned and formed into a shape that resembles what it's meant to replace. I see nothing wrong with that. For some reason people like to demonize it as if this means that vegans are hypocrites. But that's another discussion.

A lot of times I think people have one or two bad experiences with these products and decide that all of them are disgusting.

>>5287667
>Vegans who go vegan for moral reasons are not only fucking retarded

I hope you're not old enough to vote...

>>5287800
heh

>>5287811
name a healthy fake meat product

>>5287822
Gardein is a very popular one that's pretty healthy.

Way healthier than actual meat. But I would REALLY rather not get into a discussion about that because I'm about to go to sleep and it would be never ending.

gardein: water, soy protein isolate*, vital wheat gluten*, expeller pressed/canola oil, organic ancient grain flour (kamut ®, amaranth, millet, quinoa), natural flavor (from plant sources), modified vegetable gum, yeast extract, sea salt, organic cane sugar, potato starch, onion powder, garlic powder, pea protein, vinegar, carrot fiber, beetroot fiber, extractives of paprika and turmeric. seven grain breading: wheat flour*, water, rice flour, oat bran, oats, salt, sugar, spices, millet flour, amaranth flour, quinoa flour, kamut®, leavening (sodium bicarbonate, cream of tartar), yeast, extractives of paprika. *Non-genetically engineered soy and wheat.

Then there's just plain old seitan (wheat gluten). Tempeh is used to replace meat. Coconut bacon. Mushrooms and jackfruit can be used to replace meat. There are tons of products on the market so I'm not going to go through and list them all.

Eat whatever the fuck you want. Dont enforce your stupid ass views on others.
Both diets have their pros and cons.
I have been raised a lacto-ova-vegan. I tried eating meat but never really liked but that doesnt mean I think meat is inferior.
Eat healthy, eat what you love.

>>5287195
Because not everyone is a presumptuous faget like you. 'nuff said.

Who the fuck is we faget? Can't you "vegan" types speak for yourselves in the first person?

>>5287301

I think you mean because she is a hog

>>5287222
Except y'know
Their vegan diet causes their milk to be completely devoid of vital nutrition
Which literally kills their babies

>>5287894
Good, maybe they'll all die out.

daily vegan shitposting thread

>>5287894
You are so fucking stupid. You have to be trying...

>>5287284
Anything taste good when you cover it in sugar/tomato sauce.
Not anti vegan though.

>>5287461
You have insulted one of the best things to come out of Judaism.
You are worse then hilter.

>>5287219
maybe, but OP's post has so much more
>that image
>the presentation of vegan as being obviously superior
>referring to non-vegan as unnecessarily cruel
>vegan is just as delicious
>oh it must be because you are addicted
>it's not hard

Anyway, modern cows have been bred to produce far more milk than their calf needs and not milking a mammal(any mammal, including humans) causes a lot of pain for a few days, while milking them actually gives pleasure(provided they are actually producing milk).
So the reason for milking the cow is twofold, to acquire the basic ingredient for any number of products and to prevent the cow from suffering.

>>5287195
Fuck all of you. Goddamn go post in hell.

>>5287952
Maybe that wouldn't happen if, you know, we didn't steal their babies from them.

>>5287952
You are very naive (most people are) or are being deliberately misleading about the dairy industry...

>>5287952
Maybe we could solve all those problems if we just drank almond milk instead...

>>5287996
You mean that nice happy smily cows don't exist?
Fuck I need to know some reality man!!!

>>5287997
Maybe all the problems of the world would disappear if you killed yourself.

>>5287997
Ya lets keep supporting an industry that destroy vast areas of California and require unsustainable water usage. Not to mention all the bee hives that get killed because they simultaneously need them to produce nuts and also don't produce enough pollen to support hives.

>>5288006
LOL what? Do you realize how much water it takes to produce milk/beef?

Sorry if you're joking and I didn't get it but it's hard for me to tell over the internet.

>>5288030
Can't they both been bad?

>>5287195
>So why are we still adding unnecessary animal ingredients when we know there is a just as delicious alternative that does much less harm?
Stopped reading there.

>>5288032
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure milk/beef production takes at least like 100 times more water.

And that's just one of the many reasons it's bad for the environment...

>>5287996
I never stated anything false.
Cows have been bred to produce more milk.
Mammals derive pain from not being milked, pleasure from being milked(including humans).
Not milking a mammal causes pain for a few days until the milk-producing glands shut down.

All objectively true, a faulty milking machine in china doesn't change that.

>>5288044
Okay you're an idiot and probably the same anon who shoves the subject in over and over again.

>>5288044
Nah, I'm pretty sure your fake soy product takes JILLION times more water.

>>5287454
This. I actually genuinely want to get good at cooking vegan food, so it's not as if only strict vegans would benefit from such a thread. Not only is there some merit to the environmental and animal welfare arguments, a lot of people want to be able to invite their attention whore friends for dinner.

So what are some traditional foods that are easily made vegan, preferably European ones?

>>5288048
I'm pretty sure you don't understand that most soy is fed to livestock.

And no...

>>5288049
You can pretty much pick any recipe you would typically make, type it into Google, but put the word "vegan" in front of it, and it will probably give you a bunch of recipes for it.

>>5288067
I was mocking you.
>Do you realize how much water it takes to produce milk/beef?
>Yeah, but I'm pretty sure milk/beef production takes at least like 100 times more water.
>I'm pretty sure
>at least like 100 times more water

I'm surprised that there's still people who take these vegan trash threads seriously.

>>5288071
Hard to tell when people aren't being serious. Especially when I've stayed up all night.

You're so defensive it kind of makes me feel sorry for you.

Like a little kid who throws a fit and instead of getting mad you just want to hug them because they're so adorably pathetic.

>>5288074
>The vegan superiority complex finally shows itself
By the way, >>5288048 was my first post in the thread. You're the one getting defensive and acting like a child.
>LOL DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH WATER IS USED?
>I-I-I mean I don't.. B-but I'm pretty sure it fits in with my views
You're the pathetic one, bud.

>>5288071
Do you have data comparing these things? No?

>>5288071
Dude, if you've fallen so low so that you have to tell a vegan that you're mocking it then you've got issues that go way beyond /ck. You and the vegans might consider seeking therapy.

I don't care what your opinions are, I eat meat and enjoy it.

>>5288084
I assumed you would since you're the one who made a claim.

>>5288087
I'm sure the whether is nice on that horse.

>>5288088
Different person. The one you were talking to earlier is about to go to bed.

>>5288092
I eat those too.

Hardest thing to replace with vegan that I can see is dairy products. Tofu is great in recipes that call for tofu, but you can't really replace cream and butter with anything.

>>5288146
Earth Balance > butter.
Cream - there's coconut cream, cashew cream, soy cream, etc.

>>5288175
>I don't know what cream and butter are used for in a recipe

>>5288175
>there's coconut cream, cashew cream, soy cream, etc.
Which are great in the thousands of recipes that actually call for those items.

That does not make them an acceptable replacement for butter and cream straight from the cow's tits.

>>5288203
Ummm, yeah actually those all taste better than the "real thing"...

>>5288207
>soup recipe calls for cream
>use coconut cream
>now have oversweet, coconut slop
>use cashew cream
>now have nutty mess
>use soy cream
>now have soup that has been poisoned

>>5288207
>recipe calls for X
>I'll just use Y, since it kind of works as a replacement for X in a completely different recipe, even tohugh it doesn't have the specific property of X the current recipe requires
This is what you sound like

>>5288215
Cashew cream wouldn't turn it into a nutty mess?

Soy is not poison unless it's GMO. Dairy is more like poison. Also, ew. You're drinking fluid that comes from the mammary glands of cows. Likely filled with pus. You have no right to complain about soy.

There's also Daiya. Daiya is creamier than cheese and works very well in creamy soups. Like this one:
http://www.thatwasvegan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/lasagna-soup.jpg

>>5288227
Oops. Meant to link this:
http://www.thatwasvegan.com/2012/11/15/lasagna-soup/

>>5287475
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Here's what's going on. A vegan is going to depend upon, largely, hydrogenated vegetable oils to replace animal-derived saturated fats. Hydrogenated vegetable oils are trans-fats, and are simply low-quality fats no fucking good for you.

Furthermore, trying baking anything without eggs. On top of that, eggs are just really high quality proteins complete with a wide variety of amino acids.

Here's what you're going to have to accept if you don't want to undying loathing of 95% of the world's population. Most people would rather castrate themselves than be vegan. Preachy vegans brings out that same desire to castrate, but applies a different subject--that is the preachy vegan faggot. So every time you start mouthing off, everyone else is looking for an appropriately rusty meat-hook with which to rip off your balls.

>>5288224
Google whatever recipe you're trying to make and I'm sure there's a delicious vegan version somewhere.

>>5288232
Stopped reading at "hyrdrogenated vegetable oils".

I never use products with hydrogenated vegetable oils. And I rarely even come across them in vegan foods.

You idiot.

>>5288227
>You have no right
But you do have the right to tell people that they shouldn't put certain things in their mouths?

The only people who have that right are parents of young children.

>>5288227
>Soy is not poison unless it's GMO.

hehehehehe

>>5288030
Do you know how many woodland critters are ripped apart by industrial harvesting machines? Millions upon millions each year. But you wouldn't care about that; after all, it's perfectly moral to savagely rip apart an animal, as long as you don't eat the little fucker.

>>5288232
It's actually extremely easy to replace eggs in baking.

Baking soda and vinegar (cakes), black beans (sounds gross but works perfectly for brownies), apple sauce (cakes and muffins), tofu, vegan yogurt, banana (I like to mix banana and peanut butter together when making chocolate chip cookies), egg replacer (mix of starches), flax seed, chia seed, the list goes on.

You have obviously never tried vegan baking because many of those "alternatives" work better than the "real thing".

>>5288227
>Soy is not poison unless it's GMO
It's not even poison if it is GMO. And this is coming from a strong opponent of GMO.

>Likely filled with pus
If you get pus, you're clearly pulling on the wrong protrusion.

>>5288246
Do you realize how many more woodland critters are killed by deforestation (need that cropland to feed your livestock) and in the massive amount of land used to feed your animals?

And I'm growing a garden. And there's something called veganic agriculture that I predict will be much more popular in the future when most people are vegan.

You fucking retard.

>>5288246
>mfw a vegan consumed palm oil near me

Amazing how they care more about that barely conscious chicken that died to make my sandwich but couldn't give two fucks about that nearly-sentient monkey that took a machete in the face to make more room for their vegan farm

>>5288254
>veganic agriculture
S-so there's this neat new thing called growing vegetables?
Oh boy where do i sign up?

>>5288252
They allow an eyedropper full of pus in each glass of milk. That is common.

Mastitis is common, especially in industrial farming.

>>5288259
I heard they're taking names at Starbucks. Look for the smug people with greasy hair that smell like dirt.

>>5288254
>that I predict will be much more popular in the future when most people are vegan.
Sure, it's fun to live in a fantasy world.

If you were a bit more open minded you'd find that you can do a lot more to reduce the global meat consumption if you don't demand total submission from people. Your arguments are valid, but they are valid arguments for reducing meat consumption, not joining a cult.

>>5288262

>>5288256
Most vegans I know boycott palm oil. But there is sustainable palm oil. And like you, a lot of vegans are probably ignorant to the issues of palm oil production.

Chickens can do basic math. They are conscious, and they are being tortured.

You people are so weak. You try so hard to point out potential hypocrisies in vegans in order to delude yourselves that you're not that shitty. But the fact that you go out of your way to find faults in others to ignore your own responsibilities proves that you are.

>>5288254
Neckbeard fedoras find this difficult to comprehend, but there are many people who make decisions based on the desire to minimize negative effects on society and the environment.

They do not seek to attain breatharian status, they are simply trying to lessen their footprint on the planet in simple ways.

Not everything is comprised of two extreme camps: be a fat ignorant fuck that doesn't think beyond their basic cravings or be a breatharian flake.

People who don't see this have poor capacity for critical thinking and lack passion or insight regarding anything that is external to themselves. The mere idea of trying to better yourself or the world is a joke to these bitter, sheltered, and inexperienced folk.

>>5288271
>You people are so weak. You try so hard to point out potential hypocrisies in vegans in order to delude yourselves that you're not that shitty. But the fact that you go out of your way to find faults in others to ignore your own responsibilities proves that you are.
I can totally picture the scrawny kid who was bullied in high school posting this.

>>5288260
Then fucking lobby to change animal welfare and food quality standards. Not everyone ITT are ameriturds, some of us who are dairy farmers do actually realise that injuring the animals that help pay our bills and put food on the table is a pretty bad idea. Health and safety for dairy cows is an increasingly bigger priority in Europe, whereas in America the only priority is profits, and the only people who care are vegan cultists who refuse to do anything about it because improving dairy practices isn't ideologically pure,

>>5288271
>Chickens can do basic math
except they can't.

>>5288280
I was actually more like the hot chick that intimidated the bullies in high school.
I bullied the bullies.

>>5288288
>hot chick
kek

>>5288287
Let me guess, you have never raised chickens, interacted with them, or read anything on this subject?

>>5288283
Well, I actually have done a lot of advocating for better animal welfare laws.

But in the end it makes a whole lot more sense for people to just go vegan. It's a hard choice for most people to make though because they don't have much information about it and it seems so foreign because they've been eating animal products three times a day all their lives.

I try to get the information out though to make it easier for people. So they know it's both realistic, beneficial, and much easier than they would have thought.

>>5288288
>pretending to be a girl on /ck/ to win an argument
Where did it all go wrong anon?

>>5288294
Should I give test them with some flash cards?

>>5288297
Are girls really that unheard of here?
I was just making a simple statement against their claim.

I'd link my Facebook but you guys are fucking weirdos.

>>5288300

timestamp pic of tits

or you next to rice cooker

>>5288294
unless you're referencing the studies where birds have been shown to instinctively know which, between 2 objects, has the higher number of desirable marks(eg. a peacock can tell in seconds which mate has more 'eyes'), no chickens can't math.

>>5288304
http://grist.org/list/chickens-are-better-at-math-than-toddlers/

>>5288260
So there's pus in it. There's a maximum allotment of rat droppings and spider legs in EVERY food product, even your precious vegetables. Your ideology's stool needs a better leg than "milk is icky".

>>5288303
Way too much effort just to prove something that is entirely irrelevant to this thread.

>>5288300
No, girls are not unheard of here, but using your gender to support an argument is something only a cunt would do

>>5288309
I wash my vegetables though. You can't wash your milk.

That's far from the only reason cow's milk is disgusting.

>>5288307
>They can be taught that food is in the sixth hole from the left and they will go straight to it.

Yea, that sure is math.

>>5288307
so yes, what I just said.

>>5288271

I don't know my chickens seem pretty happy. My goats don't seem to upset either. Well unless I'm leaving they don't like to see me go.

>>5288312
Milk is pasteurized. Same thing. It kills the part of the gross crap that's actually dangerous.

And it's not the only reason cow's milk is disgusting, because there are no reasons cow's milk is disgusting. You just choose to be a squeamish little shit.

>>5288311
This is so stupid.
If someone calls me Asian and I say, "Actually I'm German", would that make me a cunt for using my ethnicity to counter their claim?

>>5288300
Well, coo/ck/ing happens in the kitchen, and you know the expression...

>>5288283
You're a nationalistic idiot. Get out of your cave and do some research before you make broad opinions about 300+ million people. Plenty of areas care and actively advocate for better treatment of farm animals. It's a large and growing movement in the US.

>>5288317
That is pretty sweet but obviously I was referring to factory farming.

>>5288325
That's neither an argument or a utilization of gender, that's simply stating facts about nationality.
But you've convinced me you're a woman at least, only a woman would present such an argument with a straight face.

>>5288327
I'm a nationalistic idiot? I actually find nation states to be quite harmful.

>>5288328
It doesn't come off in half your arguments. I'm assuming you the one who bring this up constantly as I've never seen anyone else hon in on the pun over and over again.

>>5288335
I stretched the definition of nationalist to a rather extreme degree in that rant to be honest. I meant it in more of a continental sense.

>>5288320
Pasteurization doesn't remove the pus though.

And cow's milk is still carcinogenic, acne forming, hormone filled, etc. Too tired to summarize.

I'll be blunt though - I don't actually personally care much about health. I don't care if you want to smoke 50 cigarettes a day. I don't care if you want to live off of Oreos and tortilla chips.

What I care about is people funding animal cruelty three times a day.

You might not give a shit but there are people who do, and I'm trying to reach those people so if you could move along that'd be cool.

I had to become a vegan due to my health (Crohn's decease). After 1 month I was pretty much completely healthy and off of most drugs. Now it's been 2 years with no symptoms.

BUT is absolutely baffles me why would anyone do this without the threat of surgery or death. Everything is so god damn same, so fucking tired of these berries and nuts (it doesn't help that I also can't eat gluten).

>>5288349
> Mfw people think animals are equal to people or even come close to humans.

>>5288361
Man that sucks. Have you looked into indian food? They have a decent variety of vegan food.

>>5288367
This lady is clearly crazy but you can't be saying that factory farming is ideal. Animals neat to be treat well or they taste worse if nothing else. And don't get my started on brazillian beef. To bad Euro's REALLY need there meat.

>>5288367
Forgot pic

>>5288349
>And cow's milk is still carcinogenic, acne forming, hormone filled, etc. Too tired to summarize.
This is all complete nonsense. Have you ever tried coming up with any proof? As for the pus, where the hell would it even come from?

>>5288361
I am (or thought I was?) gluten intolerant too. (Reason I think I might not truly be gluten intolerant now is because I read about GMO grains causing intolerances and if you just switch to organic, non-GMO the problem is solved.)

I went vegan after watching undercover investigations of factory farming. It was actually really easy for me. Did it "cold turkey". I was eating gluten at the time though. Gluten is actually really hard for me to give up even though I've found some alternatives that are alright. Really looking forward to seeing if just eating non-GMO wheat will solve my problems.

Anyway, sorry if I'm rambling but I've been up all night and my brain is starting to fall asleep.

This might interest you: http://www.pinterest.com/vfortheanimals/nutritarian-recipes/

Most of it is gluten free and healthy.

There's also this:
http://www.pinterest.com/vfortheanimals/go-vegan-its-easy/

It has a lot more junk food on it, but there are still a lot of really good looking healthy recipes.

>>5288349
>Pasteurization doesn't remove the pus though.
There's no pus. On occasion there might be some bleeding, but that's neither dangerous nor gross. You just set it aside from the milk that goes out to consumers and use it for something where the milk doesn't have to be pure white, like for cooking.

>>5288372
No your right they taste better and I don't think they should live in a pit of shit and other cows but I hate when people are care more about fucking animals than humans like when someone goes to jail longer over killing a dog than a human it's ridiculous.

>>5288320
>It kills the part of the gross crap that's actually dangerous.
There's more gross crap on human hands than on a cow's udders. What's more important than pasteurization is personal hygiene for anyone who handles cows or milking equipment.

>>5288380
You're a liar. A shameless liar.

Fuck you. There is pus. Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

>>5288349
First you tried to exploit people's gag reflex by mentioning pus, even though pus doesn't matter one bit. Then you made up fairytales about cancer and acne that have no scientific backing, and never will because it's all a lie. Finally, FINALLY you admit that your real problem is "cruelty"- and you're upset with me because I might come between you and meat eaters who could be tricked into thinking a cow's feelings matter.

Stop trying to convert people using fraud, lies and pickiness and maybe I WILL move along.

>>5288387
Then tell me where you think the pus comes from. I asked you before, but you refused to answer.

>>5288381
Humans can usually help themselves. And most humans are quicker to help other humans than animals. That you would get mad about people wanting to help animals too is ridiculous.

Also animal agriculture isn't only bad for the animals. There are so many ways it affects humans. Don't even get me started.

>>5288387
Why does pus bother you so much? It's just some extra protein. Just like weevils in rice and flour.
Speaking of which. I've yet to meet an autocorrect that knows what weevils are

>>5288393
Mastitis.

Don't remember you asking so obviously I did not refuse to answer. I simply didn't see it.

>>5288392
Oh my god. You can't say something is a lie just because you're ignorant to it. Fucking hell. I'm going to sleep now but you can look all that up here:
www.scholar.google.com

>>5288394
>My animals there so helpless leave them alone

Why don't you go ask a lion how much he cares about you and your safety.

>>5288396
Then you treat the mastitis, meanwhile discarding the milk so any that's contaminated with antibiotics doesn't reach consumers. Also you need to look over your routines so it doesn't happen again.

And if it happens often you are clearly incompetent and should not be allowed to keep cattle, or any other animal for that matter.

>>5288397
>why don't you just do my fact-checking FOR me

You're the liar, you defend your lie.

>>5288409
Except they don't discard it.

>>5288412
They do at good farms/ processing plants. Maybe you live in an area with shitty people.

>>5288412
Then they are disgusting Americans.

Look up 'Mastitis in dairy cattle' on Wikipedia. This is an American phenomenon. Elsewhere it's considered bad form to take a dump, wipe your ass and then touch various nipples without washing your hands.

>>5288412
With modern milking equipment the composition of the milk is analysed on the fly. If it's contaminated it's diverted before it ever reaches the storage tank.

Look up some of the European VMS (Voluntary Milking Systems), there are demos you can view on YouTube.

>mfw US grade A meat/dairy is equivalent to grade D Irish meat/dairy
>mfw USicans pay a premium for grass-fed while Irish people get it as standard even in McDonalds
>mfw hlf the shit USicans put in their meat is straight up illegal in the EU

>>5288454
Yum Yum.
All that horse meat.

>>5288461
There is nothing wrong with horse meat. If people were more educated about it there would be less of an incentive for the Romanians to cheat.

>>5288461
Horse is delicious, but was sadly limited to cheap tesco burgers.
It was hilarious watching my vegan co-worker try to convince me it was somehow disgusting to be eating horse

>>5288465
It's a good example of how good your regulatory system actually is. This is no one saying the us'es doesn't need massive improvement. But you should really get off your high horse.

>>5288472
A bad system would not have caught the meat though. What caught the meat was a regular random test.

>>5288465
>>5288469
im totally down for allowing more horse meat sales in the us, but dem ponytailed horsegirls

>>5288472
It's fucking Romania. It shouldn't have been admitted before proving itself to be trustworthy. What's more Europe is being overrun by poor gypsies because the rest of Romanians are Borat-tier bigots and there is no functioning social security system.

>>5288489
Man calm down. I just wanted to say high horse.

>>5287300
quorn has egg, not vegan

>>5288508
ur mum has egg, not vegan

>>5288416
>Elsewhere it's considered bad form to take a dump, wipe your ass and then touch various nipples without washing your hands.
And then there's thinking just paper and no water is a substitute for proper bathroom hygiene. I shudder to think of the fermenting mudbutt drippings seeping down the legs and into the rubber boots after a long day working in the barn.

>>5287229

That has to do with her diet.

>>5287325

God damn it, stop calling them omnivores. NORMAL is what you mean they're NORMAL PEOPLE.

If you're going to use that naming convention stop using the word vegan and use herbivore.

>>5287452

When they attack other troops of chimps they often eat the babies.

>>5287475

It's because we don't want to WASTE those products.

>>5287512
It literally tastes like drywall mud.

>>5287661

Palm oil isn't really 'real-food.'

It's also way more destructive than animal farming :/

I know you're not vegan but i just wanted to raise palm oil awareness. It kills tigers, orangutans and clears rain forest.

All of this for something as trivial as sweets and cakes. Advocate for alternative cooking oils!

I personally like sunflower, olive, and coconut oil.

>>5287667

These fucking vegans. They have no moral high-ground at all. Because that shit is so unsustainable and bad for the environment on so many levels. The ultimate carbon footprint isn't as high at meat probably but it's still horrible.

>>5288625
What's the actual selling point for palm oil?

Actually it seems like it's more saturated than a lot of other vegetable fats, so it appears to be used as a replacement for animal fats like lard and tallow, or partially hydrogenated vegetable oil.