/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>5482627
uh i guess

>>5482627

I have nothing better to do

never used this bacon before

>>5482627
Go for it bro. I got some wing sauce from a local tourist trap. Might make my own if you inspire me.

>this will take all day
...why?

this is good enough
>>5482648
hopefully this will inspire you to make your own sauce
>>5482654
everything will become clear momentarially

lets call this three and a half onions

>>5482680
No, let's call it four.

>>5482684
bottom right was tiny, ill call it three and a half cuz thats how much full sized this is

bacons good

get the onion in

now we are getting somewhere

I like so far.

oh yeah

oyster and crimini

bout that time

I like where this is going.

>>5482792
I too like where this is going!

This is basically why i can't cook as a job. I love the relaxation i get from cooking slowly.

upvote me if u like

What is going on?! I thought these were wings?! You have like bacon and mushrooms up in there.

I am down for those wings.

quick deglaze
>>5482804
patience grasshopper

>>5482830
Fuck the wings I'll just eat that shit with a spoon.

>>5482832
ya its hard not to, this next step is painful but very important

>>5482849
DONT YOU DO IT YOU SON OF A BITCH

sorry

still tastes good

>>5482857

>>5482849
>>5482857
>>5482864

>>5482864

brown sugar

>>5482864
Vaya con dios

more bourbon

And of course, franks

worth it

>>5482925
You made me cry today OP.

>>5482937
dont worry youll forget all about it soon enough
time to pull out this asshole

into the woods

>>5482864
rip

>>5482941
please tell me you're about to smoke these wings

>>5482803
There's no such thing as upvoting here, you ginormous reddit faggot.

>>5482941
oh snap, we /smokin/ now?

oh you know were smokin

>>5482996
shittt it's really happening

>>5483014
ronpaulhappening.webm

>>5483007
you need some more wood m80

>>5483024
i only just fucking relaised that m80 is pronounced matey. jeus christ. why didn't this ever fucking occur to me what's wrong with me jesus christ help. i was just saying mate zero in my head the entire time.

>>5483024
i got a lil oak

>>5483026
Had the same problem with qt3.14. Think out of the box once in a while.

>>5483018

Now I get why it's gonna take all day. Good god I'm excited though, looking good OP.

Very good thread OP.

>>5483073
ya might make some teryaki just straight grillin too, friends making buffalo wings deep fried (this is a competition)

>>5483087
>this is a competition
sounds like everyone wins
fuck i love wings

It's already 4pm OP you faggot you can't smoke those in time for dinner!

>>5483122
>what are time zones

>>5483122
what if OP is on the west coast?

>>5483122
>not making a shit-ton of food to eat at midnight during the summer and then sitting around a fire with friends and booze making memories

>>5483126
>>5483124
im in new england so...
>>5483128
but mostly this
im not even hungry yet im still hungover

bout that time

where are the updates yo

>>5483138
>im not even hungry yet im still hungover
ah just start drinking again when you throw the wings on and you'll be good to go by the time they're done

>>5483195
that timing tho. OP probably just had to wait for his larger pieces of wood to burn

>>5483198
exactly, need a nice good bed first
and yeah killed a bud and im good
prolly start drinkin that evan

>>5483026
its mate oh or matey I guess

this water pan will be the death of me

Or like m9 is mane, as in 'das it mane' or 'all the time, mane.'

fuck a rub

>>5483212
who pronounces 9 as "ayne?"

looks like im gonna have to move them around a bit

oh yeah

>going through all that for chicken wings
>using grocery store wings/didn't select or butcher the live chicken yourself

>>5483253

>>5483247
Daymn, son. I've never smoked wings. Do want some.

first flip

>>5483253
ive done the math, thats not raising some chickens, thats owning a farm

>>5483253

>>5483266

keep fucking going OP

>>5483266
COT DAMN

>>5482925
I want to have sex with this

my last wings

>>5483298
all that sauce tho

then again, no harm no foul so long as they were crispy and delicious

>>5483298

I've never seen a man grill so many chicken wings.

>>5483312
you've been missing out man

not OP, but last time i made wings, it was upwards of 100 between me and 2 buddies. and it was fucking glorious

Following enthusiastically OP, this is the best thread on 4chan right now. THIS is how you make a good thread and cook along.

>>5483298
fucking lel. Have you read the thread yet? Id eat those for sure but to post normal wings in the middle of OP's glory wings is asking to be berated.

>>5483315
This a pretty good instructional thread though since I'm a yuropoor and have never made proper wings before. Will have to try in the summer when it's grilling season.

>>5483318
unf

gonna let these sit for awhile before grillin
gonna throw that other package on the smoker too i decided

>>5483321
oh man you're in for a treat. few things i like more about summer than chillin by the grill with some beers and munching on some wings.

and there's something about smoked/grilled wings that's enticing in a different way from deep fried

>>5483318

>>5483325

godspeed

>>5483325

ya
deep fry guy in route

>>5483307
I always order my wings saucy

it was a mix of trader joes bbq and franks red hot

a place I go to calls that style "hot & sweet" if you were unaware

>>5483310
:)

>>5483320
>fucking lel. Have you read the thread yet?
not yet

so about that teryaki

>>5483366
>not yet

it's a good thread bro, worth reading the whole thing.

>>5483366
>40, wings, and a fuckin zona
i knew there was a reason i hate you less than other tripfags

>>5483371
OP please, you have been a godsend today.

>this thread

>>5482716

why does your kitchen have grass?

>>5483401
my dream kitchen would be outdoors... somehow.

>dat ventilation
>dat lack of heat insulation
>real grill right next to a stove

it would be glorious

>>5483402
Where do you live?

>>5483402
my kitchen is in my garage

open the door and get a breeze going not too shabby

>>5483401
im on the deck sometimes

some red pepper

wings numero dos

>>5483366

>>5483418
smokey

>>5483408
i live in Florida where this dream is unlikely to be achieved because cooking most meals in 90+ degree F would be no bueno.. but i can dream damnit.

>>5483412
that sounds fucking nice, man. i hate when i'm cooking something on a high heat and the whole fucking place is smoked out due to shitty insulation. and there's a fucking fire alarm right next to my goddamn stove.

Please make a vertical or something for posterity, someone. Good fucking God OP, this is the best thing I've seen in a year

>>5483458
im on my phone, prolly do it tomorrow

got some fucking heat

>>5482743
>>5482768
Does it take you 8 minutes to chop a handful of mushrooms?

you know, when OP said this would take all day, i was skeptical, but this thread has been great. five star fuckin post OP.

>>5483489
clearly OP has nothing to do but chop the mushrooms and immediately post.

>>5483489
lol i dont post immediatly
3/4 mirin

3/4 soy sauce

>>5483505
I thought I was on /fit/ cus of that mirin. Then I remembered Zyzz would roll over in his grave if he saw this.

ya
garlic too

simmer this bitch

>>5483318

OP this is great stuff. Thank you.

oh yeah i took those other wings off

>>5483558
god i would munch the fuck out of those with some cold beer and some bros

>>5483558
the sauce ain't stickin'

>>5483588
he aint done yet, rail another roxi and chill out for a bit

>>5483558
No crispy skin.
2/10

>>5483592
they arent done

>>5483590
lol'd

maybe add some corn starch to cold water and then add it to the sauce

theyre fine
my grill however has seen some shit
tried to fly once didnt end well

Why did read all of this thread with a texas redneck accent? Looks delicious though!!

>>5483636

(boner intensifies)

This thread literally made my day, thanks so much OP.

>>5483596
good news

>>5483611

I don't consider myself a prude, but damn, especially the left side.

Little bits of metal in ones food may be character building, but I'd be wary of eating anything off that grill.

>>5483658
sucks cuz thats the good side too

>>5482684
Fuckin WREKT!

>>5482832
Yeah, I'd go from that step to cooking some meat or something with it. This is on my to do list tomorrow or Tuesday.

>>5483312
Nor I, friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNJmfuEWR8w&feature=kp

>>5483636
looks good

best wings need that sticky sauce

>>5483701
those look absolutely fantastic, please continue

>>5483701
you have made me salivate furiously at this point are you happy

>up way too late hungry as fuck with no food at home
>read this thread

:)

>>5483718

>>5483718
I think I love you OP. Gay marry me?

>>5483718
this thread deserves a round of applause

alright america, stand up and clap motherfuckers

>>5483718
Fuck me those look good. I know what I'm making for dinner tomarra

>>5483718
mein question is why leave the tips on?

>>5483658
>Little bits of metal in ones food may be character building, but I'd be wary of eating anything off that grill.

there was just one of those emergency room shows on recently, dude scrubbed his grill with a steel brush. one of the bristles broke off and stuck to some kid's hamburger. boom... fucked up kid

>>5483731
Why are you so jealous?

>>5483731
i eat the skin off them

>>5483718

>>5483731

Go away.

other guy deep fried in corn oil
then hes gonna dip em in buffalo sauce he made

>>5483759

this thread is great, but do your friends know you are taking pictures every 5 minutes to post on the cooking section of an anime imageboard?

>>5483767
absolutely not

>>5483718
I'm rock hard right now.

captcha: egaYmo that

>>5483759
I am so ready for a wings coma, too bad I have to wait for tomorrow...
great thread by the way

>>5483772

very well

carry on, friend

>>5483772
How long have you used this recipe? Is it your own?

>>5482890

>measuring dry ingredients in a liquid measuring cup

>>5483778
like half a year, first time without ketchup
>>5483784
>implying i actually measured anything but the mirin and soy sauce

buffalo sauce

you in Cali OP?

>>5483800
CT

>>5483801
what town?

>>5483784
>for the love of God, Montresor

>>5483802
CT is too small, lets just say uconn

I wish I had the skills to make a thread like this.

I'm jealous OP you are a good guy

I don't own a grill, and I'm always scared to barbeque chicken, because there's always so many people and you have to rush it. Maybe it's time to buy my own bbq so I can do stuff like this

thanks guys
>still havent done the teriyaki

>>5483772
You should tell your friends about our degenerate anime food board, we need more good folk here.

>>5483806
I was thinking I could stop by and have some wings and bring some moonshine with me to chip in

>>5483817

well what are you waiting for!

post more updates plox

>>5483827
buffalos on now
>>5483825
i mean i appreciate sentiment but no lol
not meeting people on 4chan

>>5483824
never i am old /b/ rules 1 and 2 muh sekrit club

>>5483866

>not meeting people on 4chan

wise decision, especially tripfags

but you seem pretty bro. I'd bro out with you, bro

>>5483866
tripfag is bro and I'm pretty sure he'd get yal drunk as all fuck. I guess it would be weird explaining the random stranger to your friends though if they don't come here.

>I will never be a part of murrican bbq culture

fuck these shitty sausages and everyone thinking bbqing should only take 20 minutes

>>5483884
>cooking for longer than 20 minutes on a BBQ

Why do you want to be a part of the worst cuisine culture in the world? Americans cant even do BBQ right.

>>5483890

I think he's talking about preparation time too

>>5483890
slow cooking with good smoke is amazing, what are you talking about

>>5483872
lel

▲
▲ ▲

>>5483890
my wings took ~30, if i was goin all the way id go 45 an hour
>>5483880
im sure he would but im fucking gay about these old /b/tard rules

>>5482864

>>5483809
>skills
dude, if you can cook competently, and take pictures competently, you can create a thread that's above and beyond the ridiculously low standard of /ck/ these days

>>5483810
>rush it
there's your problem. the best way to cook chicken is to leave it on and forget about it for a bit, rather than trying to rush it. unless, of course, you're working to service other people in which case y

>>5483718

>>5483899
Complete bullshit.

Smoke is a very strong flavour, any more cooking than 30 minutes under smoke makes it fucking indistinguishable from any other smoked meal.

I bet youre one of those peolel that loves as much sweet BBQ sauce as possible and super hot pepper sauce to cover up the taste of their horrible meat.

>>5483961
completely unrelated poster here but,

people in texas smoke their meat for 12+ hours don't use any sauce, for the most part

smoke is a strong flavor, but not to that magnitude

LOW AND SLOW

>>5483292
That might hurt.

>>5483961
ur dumb
if i was legit smoking these id throw a dry rub on and smoke an hour

>>5483972
>Americans
You'll find the only people who smoke for that long are Americans because they have it engraved on their pallet to have strong bold flavours that dominate your pallet rather than complex, interwoven flavours.

>>5483975
that shit looks delicious. fuck i wish i could get a grill. goddamn higher floor apartments and their fire codes

>>5483975

>>5483983
well that's not necessarily true, plenty of food served in the states in served in food based on any culture you could think of. that said, i agree in terms of american barbecue. but i refuse to refute the fact that meat smoked over many different types of wood is delicious

>>5483922
>im sure he would but im fucking gay about these old /b/tard rules

you realize we aren't on /bee/?

pic related is what you're missing out on

So, I don't know if this is weird or anything, and you guys have made lots of jokes about it, I see it all the time. But.
Is it weird to legitimately get an erection while looking at really good food?

>>5483983
>>5483983
go eat a cucumber sandwich, faggot

>>5483994

>that
>moonshine

nah, real shine is that shit you get from that old redneck in Kentucky, and comes in mason jars

trust me

he's gonna fucking murder you and steal your wings OP

don't do it

>>5484008
>real shine is that shit you get from that old redneck in Kentucky, and comes in mason jars
sounds about right. always entertaining when people show me flavored vodka that someone sold them as "moonshine"

>>5483994
>moonshine
>in a commercial bottle
what
why would you even offer that

>>5483994
nigga onyx is vodka
as long as your drinkin 80 proof 'white corn whiskey' might as well get some rime from the westford hill distillers

you guys are faggots

onyx is more smooth than unregulated shitty alcohol

>>5484019
this doesn't taste like vodaka

I can't even drink vodka becuase it is so disgusting

>>5484024

>says the guy who's never had legitimate moonshine

tripfags are the worst

LOOK AT ME GUISE

>>5484033
most faggots who make illegal alcohol don't have the skill to make it not burn

>>5484024
I don't care if it tastes like rainbows and fucking sunshine, why would your offer to somebody making great home cooking be a commercially-packed alcohol? Home-made begets home-made, son. Make your own booze if you're gonna hang with somebody smoking their wings.

>>5484038
Stop ruining this thread with your shit, faggot.

Made your own blog thread for your shitty wings and alcohol.

he won

>>5484024
what ABV% is it? the whole point of moonshine is not that it's smooth or tasty, it's that it's ridiculously strong

>>5484041
you are the only one fucking up this thread

>>5484046
I'm not the one trying to one-up OP and posting reaction images from google

please go

>>5484043

damn that looks tasty

>>5484044
onyx makes 80 proof or 111 proof

thye are both really smooth and that is why I love onyx

>>5484043

>>5484043
side by side comparison of the end products? your wings looked fucking tasty man

>>5484055
>around 50% abv
there are whiskeys stronger than that jesus fuck

>>5484055
hey man im not trying to discredit it, because i fucking love commercial "moonshine". but i understand why some hicks will hate on it, because some of these hillbillies are brewing shit that competes with 151 and everclear in their stills, lel. and as i said before, moonshine is all about that strong alcohol, and usually dont give a fuck a out taste

>>5484050
its sneaky
>oh its not that hot just tasty OH GOD
mostly he grilled them better though, melt in your mouth stuff
Were going to the bar do the teriyaki when we get back

>>5484060
hey you got tabs im on a phone man my photo editing abilities are limited

>>5484070

I'd say you both did a great job

10/10 would grill with

have fun man

cheers

>>5484055
>>5484046
>>5484038
>>5484024

Go away.

>>5484073
hah i hear you man. i'll deal with that shit later. either way, all the wings displayed in this thread looked fucking delicious. thanks for this, anon.

wee need more threads like this on /ck/ man. anons, star

>>5484008
>>5484016
>>5484017
>>5484019
>>5484033

Moonshine, vodka, whiskey, who gives a shit? I've had store brand moonshine that was good. I'd drink that before taking the chance of getting blind from that shit Ol' Bocephus Thibodaux distilled up in the old oil drums he stole.

>>5484095
op here, i like onyx i just wish they calledit vodka, because it is
white whiskey is a myth and moonshine is illicit by nature

i hear they have a lemoncello in the works though

but seriously westford hill >everything

anyways thanks all of you, well have pt. 2 goin ok n a few hours and ill prolly do a chowder thread wednesay or thursdy i got an order of quohogs on reserve

>>5484095
i wholeheartedly agree. that said, if some hillbilly that i know and trust tells me he has 92+% ABV moonshine, i'm gonna take it. because novelty. assuming, of course, the guy knows what he;'s doing and won't sell you poison. which is difficult to tell for sure

>>5484111
*quahogs sorry

>>5484111
You better make more threads fggt, this is the best one I've seen in awhile. Great show.

>>5484024
I should send you some of my shine. I got apple pie and lemon, or i could just send over some of my pure 95%. I make a pretty good lager too.

>>5484135
send me some lemon shine bb

>>5484135

apple pie shine is so fucking good

never had lemon, mitebcool

>>5484127
I took over a ribs thread awhile ago
same smoker, lit my deck on fire

>>5484135
is your apple pie clear? I only know how to make it with cider. Its good but the 120 clear apple pie is a total mystery to me

>>5484182
not that guy buy every apple pie shine i've ever bought has been clear. total mystery to me as well... probably something to do with schnapps rather than cider

>>5484182
>>5484182
I use only cider and cinnamon sticks. I live next to a cider mill and i use there stuff when its in season. It's not clear but its still delicious.

I wish I knew the secret to making shine with such a deep apple flavor but no sweetness

>>5484238
when i did it i just used apples and cinnamon stick and let it sit for a while. im not a big fan of any of it though usually just like it plain or peaches/plums added in, other than fresh fruit i dont really want shit added in to my shine.

blood orange rye whiskey is also great

>>5484238
>deep apple flavor
Dunno what you've got there, but there needs to be more applejack in this world. There's a really awesome brand made in Ohio, I forget the name. It's kind of hard to find but any competent applejack is worth seeking out. I imagine it's a lot like mead, though, and you have to sift through a lot of crap to find a gem.

>>5484288
fuck i should make applejack this winter
traditionally its made by freezing cider and fishing out the ice

>>5484044

yeah

you know shit about moonshine

>>5484238
I personally know the people who make this in my town. small world and shit.

ayyyyooo

>>5483731
jew detected

>>5484565
mah dick

bumpan dis shit

the aftermath

>>5485427

R.I.P grill, you served your country well.

>>5485529
That's nothing a high flame and wire brush won't fix.

>this whole thread

muh dick

You've served /ck/ honorably, anon.

>>5483994
Are you really that socially inept that you solicit friends on an anonymous image board?

>wait hes a tripfag so yeah.

>>5483806
Never have I been so tempted to propose a meet up...
Of course I'm a day late anyways, so whatever.

>>5482803
Fucking faggot

>>5483718
Amazing

>>5483984
Electric ovens are perfectly fine for slow cooking stuff. If you like the smokey flavor, just use some liquid smoke in your sauce.

>>5486041

Well that's just plain terrible.

Even if there were truth to that, there's still something about bbq/grilling outdoors that can't compare with shoving something in the oven and watching TV until it's done.

>>5486041
what lmao no

>>5486616
ayy lmao

>>5482728
I'm thinking about using cider rather than bourbon in the hopes that the end result has some apple notes. Good idea or terrible idea?

>>5487810
as long as its a high enough abv to deglaze
apple brandy might be better

>>5487819
How high ABV are we talking? I might just go buy a really cheap bourbon in that case. I am new to cooking for pleasure so my /ck/ skills are weak.

>>5487810

You won't be able to taste the apple over the vinegar from the hot sauce and the various seasonings. If you want an apple flavor then you'll need more than just a little cider. Instead of the mushrooms add some cooking apples.

>>5487825
I actually intended to make more than was shown here and keep some of it unblended just to throw on stuff for a few days. And try experimental wing sauce variations, so I'll give the cooking apples a try too.

>>5487819

5487825 here.

I have used cider for deglazing before, it works fine. But, the apple flavor in cider is quite weak compared to the taste of bourbon. If he wants an apple flavor in that sauce he's going to need a stronger flavor than using just cider alone. Apple brandy would be much better, and/or some good strongly flavored cooking apples in there.

>>5487824
prolly get away with anything over 7
>>5487825
well i taste the bourbon, its not in your face flavor but its definitely there

>>5487837

You don't need alcohol to deglaze at all. Countless recipes are deglazed with stock or broth only (no alcohol) and it works fine.

>>I taste the bourbon

Sorry, perhaps I wasn't clear. Bourbon has a strong flavor so it makes sense that you can taste it in the finished dish. However the apple flavor of cider is nowhere near that strong. If the other guy simply swapped the weaker-flavored cider for the strongly-flavored bourbon that you used I wouldn't expect that he could taste it in the finished dish. Cider has too weak of a flavor compared to bourbon.

On the other hand, if he used a stronger apple flavor (like your apple brandy suggestion) and/or added some apples to it then it would work fine.

>>5487844
>You don't need alcohol to deglaze at all.
hmm
learn something new every day

>>5487844
Yeah, I'm going to get apple brandy and try it.

So I actually want to achieve something this summer, and was considering smoking a bunch of meat. Is it advisable to buy a smoker? If so, which would /ck/ recommend?

>>5483424
>i live in Florida where this dream is unlikely to be achieved because cooking most meals in 90+ degree F would be no bueno.. but i can dream damnit.
WTF. Florida is a grillin' n chillin' dreamland. What's wrong with you? You're supposed to have a patio, a shade tree, something. Why are you acting like you live in a desert, and not somewhere tropical and filled with glorious plants, luscious landscaping, and a 24/7 ocean breeze? You're doing something wrong. Most Floridians fire up a gas grill nearly every night, just to prevent heating up their kitchen instead.

>>5487850
something a lot better than mine
i learned how to smoke on a $20,000 smoker with electric motor driven racks and an offset firebox
you could smoke probably twenty briskets on that thing at once and all you had to do was throw more wood in it every now and then

my smoker is a gigantic piece of shit you cant access the fire hardly at all and the water pan falls constantly, plus you can barely smoke a pack of wings on it its so small

get something big, its worth it
then you can go crazy and youll be smoking pork shoulder and whole turkeys

>>5486041
>If you like the smokey flavor, just use some liquid smoke in your sauce.
Idiot!

>>5487810
>I'm thinking about using cider rather than bourbon in the hopes that the end result has some apple notes. Good idea or terrible idea?
A few spoonfuls of apple butter in your sauce might be best. Even in apple cider vinegar, the apple flavor is minimal. Calvados, imho, in recipes I use it for (mostly deglazing some pork chops) is delicious for the other elements, and barely for the apple flavor.

>>5486283
The value of an outdoor bbq is that it's bigger, taller and you can be outdoors, not that it makes unique food.

You should enjoy making great food even if you live in an apartment and don't have the the opportunity to spend quality time with an outdoor bbq. You make do with what you got.

>>5487872
fuck that, dont pretend you can bbq in an apartment
cook good food with what you have, and if you get a craving for bbq go grill or smoke in the park

>>5487872
Making do with what you have, whether quality time or living under some kind of condo association regulations, is compromise. You compromise because you have no choice, but it in no way does it means that you can equate your oven to BBQing. Absolutely not. Don't try to say they are the same damn thing just bigger? Don't try to say smoke is duplicated by liquid smoke.

You're a dumbass and illogical, but whatever gets you through your tears of not owning an outdoor grill, fine, but don't bring your lies here!

>>5487850
if you want to be cheap just buy a barrell and make your own. might as well see how much you use it before upgrading to the good premade smokers.

>>5487853
oh don't get me wrong, i fucking love grilling. but other than living on the third floor, the rain makes grilling every day impossible. unless of course you have a nice house with a covered patio. also i was talking about having the entirety of a kitchen outside. doing any sort of prep in this heat is just uncomfortable. i guess it's really a grass is always greener type scenario

>Gas grill
id rather starve.

>>5487850
>So I actually want to achieve something this summer, and was considering smoking a bunch of meat. Is it advisable to buy a smoker? If so, which would /ck/ recommend?
It'd advisable...sure...if you want...if you want to spend the money...and can store it out of the elements when not in use...

But, if you already own a grill? Propane or weber style charcoal? You can get a smoker box and achieve the kind of results you want for flavor. If you are attempting to smoke your entire catch of fish from a day on the Bay or a salmon season...as a way of "preserving" by smoking...you probably want and need something specific in the cold smoking range. To each their own uses, you know?

On my propane grill, I use a smoker box, and alternate between chips from oak, mesquite, applewood, or all three. I buy the chips for $5 bag, at Home Depot, and barely make a dent it when you only smoke your meat the first 20 mins? You're probably done fast when you aren't doing some brisket or a slow roast of some sort.

>>5487905
I'm sorry but your whining about why you can't grill without rain or a patio or some chosen high rise living or whatever the fuck you can't do with frequency is nothing to do with Florida and prepping outside? And, you don't like propane? What the fuck are you going on about? This isn't the 1950s, nor are you a hipster. You're small minded because you choose to be.

I live in the most expensive city in Florida and literally everyone I know has a covered patio out their glass doors, and grills 3-4x a week. You don't need an entire kitchen outside, seriously. These are people I know have jobs. If you wanted to go live in some tourist-snowbird kind of existence in some high rise, when everyone else has a patio, that's your dumbassedness again.