/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>5816963
Only tristate area has good pizza. Get off our coat tails.

>>5816963
>NYC nondescript 99 cent pizza for life

>>5816974
Rhode Island has good pizza to

In NY it is due to there, historically, being a lot of italian immigrants, although nowadays it is mostly Jewish, blacks, and Asians.

Best part about bing Midwestern is we have no shame and can get enjoyment out of all the types of pizzas.

>>5816963
that NYC grandma slice doe

>>5816994
I laugh at midwest pizza

>good pizza in USA

Bahahahahaha!

>>5817004
Where are you from?

>>5816994
Tri-stater here this pizza looks fucking great

>>5817002
We're used to it.
>>5817004
From my experience, Switzerland has the best pizza. Its Italian cooking prowess with german ordnung.

NJ here.
The only difference between NYC pizza and the pizza place I go to in Central NJ is maybe the crust, and definitely the price. It's delicious.

BTW, I think the reasoning behind the 'good' pizza is the water quality.

>>5817032
I like NJ pizza, but the water over there is shit. I mean what the hell is going on?

>>5817038
The water in my home once smelled like rotting eggs.
Would anyone have an explanation for this?

>>5816963
Why does New England still try so hard to cling desperately to the notion they are the only states that exist? A bit of the old penis envy, perhaps?

>>5817052
What?

>>5817032

Manhattan doesn't have mid-priced restaurants, slices are either 99c (or slightly better than 99c) or high-end (at which point its something else entirely).

Tri-state mid-tier pizza is my personal favorite but you have to go to an outer-borough or the burbs to get it. However, Brooklyn/Queens pizza is on-par with jersey pizza.

>>5817002
Of course you do, because you're a trumped upped little faggot. People like you make fun of anything you don't understand.

>>5817048

Sulfur either in the water or pipes.

>>5817059
No love for pizza in CT

Also as an addendum to >>5817057

I've actually had really really good pizza in Middletown connecticut but it's hit or miss. I think it more has to do with the italian immigrants than the water quality

>>5817059
Can't handle the truth

>>5816963
chicago makes the best pizza. also the best casseroles, but that's not what we're talking about.

>>5816963
>99% of pizza places in the NE are Greek

>>5817052
Because we make up a large portion of the population. And its not nearly as bad as california. They're wicked overcompensating because they know NE is superior

OP you need to brush up on your geography. St. Louis isn't in the northeast.

>>5816963
mac and mancos was always my favorite. nj beach, south

>NYC any pizzeria pizza
>NYC pretentious pizza (Motorino, Artichoke Basile, etc)
>New Haven Pepe's pizza
>New London pizza (best of greek style pizza)
>Al Forno in Providence

yes baby bring it on

>>5816963

VT here, our pizza mostly sucks.

>>5817690
Different VT here.
Best pizza I had was at a bakery in VT.

>>5817696

Another VT here. Have had both excellent and terrible pizza here. Lots of excellent though, and the terrible generally comes from convenience stores trying to do homemade.

> pic related....it's coming...

>>5817696

Where, if you don't mind me asking?

lots of pizza places in SE pennsylvania make great cheesesteaks

the more you know

>>5816963
I've lived in New York all my life. Random California local shops have slices just as good. They just aren't as abundant and it isn't ingrained in the culture to "grab a slice". New Yorkers exaggerate.

>>5817032
palumbos on 35 in middletown is the best slice in central jersey

>>5817017
Switzerland is completely irrelevant. Sit down.

>>5817722
Why do you north east fags always do this? Nearly all of you claim one specific shop is the best. You can't all be right. If you disagree so much the pizza is just different and can't be that good.

>>5817712
Fairfield VT
only bakery in town (Chester's)
They make pizza only on Friday though.

NJ here. Conte's pizza in princeton is p good

>>5817726

>>5817716
I hope you're right because I'm moving to the bay from New York soon

>>5817724
Your mother's pussy is irrelevant so I fucked her ass.

>>5817817
Are you 13 years old?

>>5817827
No I just like to act like it.

>butthurt NYfags worried they'll become irrelevant in the pizza world casually forgetting about CPK

you guys only have your cheesesteaks anymore. sorry.

>>5817707
>>5817696
>>5817690
Yet another VT here. The stuff from Zachary's in Burlington (I believe) and Cubbers in Bristol both make excellent pizza.

>>5817707
It never gets that bad in most places.

>>5817865
I don't live in Vermont, but I occasionally go and stay with a friend who (during the winter) lives up in Vermont next to a Mt. Snow, a Skiing mountain/area, and it is always snowy as fuck, just like in that picture. Everybody has snowmobiles ready all the time. His house overlooks a bar and people pull in on snowmobiles all night long.

>>5817865

> It never gets that bad in most places.

I know it. I just like to perpetuate the idea that it does to keep people away. But also, I watch and try to get involved in dogsled races in the kingdom and in Maine and I see this type of stuff. Usually only for a day or two after a good snow.

I'm originally from PA though. Old Forge pizza, anyone?

>>5816994
> TFW Ohio
> TFW Midwestern but states ignore us
I hate everyone

>>5817908
I'm from michigan, why does your state hate us so much?

>>5817908
>>5817922
NY here, I drive through all you midwest/middle american states this summer, you all look the same.

>>5817624
>>New Haven Pepe's pizza

Such shit. Frank Pepe's is absolute overpriced shit.

>>5817715
True.

>>5817884

PA here, old forge pizza confirmed

>>5817943
Why would you do that?

>>5817943
Why'd you drive through Michigan?
You a bad navigator?

>>5817946

When I go home, I get this pizza from a bar in my wife's hometown of Dupont. 1 dollar Yuegling pints and pizza made with a potato dough crust. Holy fuck do we get drunk and fat whenever we visit.

you can very easily find equally good pizza in any part of america, besides california

>>5817943
you must have stuck to the lower midwest, the upper midwest is much nicer

>>5817955
To get to Wyoming/Colorado.

>>5817955
>>5817985
Didn't actually go to Michigan, I assume you look exactly like Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, and Iowa. I drove through all those. Also Iowa.

>>5817716

(NY here) I was in San Francisco for a week on vacation and I didn't find any good pizza (although I didn't look too hard, to be fair)

>>5818000
Southern michigan looks pretty much like ohio, indiana and illinois only there are a lot more lakes. I forgot iowa was even midwestern. I thought it was plains. Northern michigan and the UP are really beautiful.

Michigan and wisconsin are probably the best looking midwestern states.

I doubt you care, though.

>>5818000
Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota look way nicer than the lower Midwest

>>5818041
Minnesotan here. So much of the rural areas are gorgeous, and prime for relaxation. Not to mention hunting, fishing biking, hiking, etc. Same with Indiana, and some of Wisconsin.

>>5818068
I'd say Wisconsin and the UP are the best looking part of the Midwest.

Indiana though? Thats almost as bad as illinois, endless flat cornfield

>>5817985
>confirmed for never leaving flyover country

>>5818091
what does saying the upper midwest is nicer looking than the lower midwest have anything to do with the rest of the country?

I have yet to find really good pizza during my two-ish years in Boston for college. I am from upstate New York, so nothing like the City, but used to a pretty good quality slice. Can anyone make a recommendation?

>>5818091
are you the guy who posted this >>5817724 ?

If so, could your being a passportless loser who's probably never left your mother's hurricane sandy flooded basement be why you try to feel superior to others on 4chan pizza threads?

>>5818079
Indiana is quite broken up. If you seek out the rivers and forests, you'll find they're just as nice as they are in Minnesota, maybe even nicer than Wisconsin. I have very little idea about Illinois, I've had a few relatives there but I haven't seen much of the state outside the interstate and the two towns they lived in.

>>5817052
because we are the smartest, richest states in the union with the highest quality of life and the most white people.

>>5817861
>NY
>cheesesteaks

wut?

>>5816963
for a while i was making good homemade pizza. never wrote down the recipe. now my pizzas are shit, and the dough is to blame.

While I disagree with OP's premise, there are a few factors that would help in favor of some of those states: population density, people of Italian heritage, climate more conducive to running hot ovens. But if you're ruling out Chicago or Detroit just because you don't like those styles, then you're not a serious pizza connoisseur.

>>5818183
>smartest
States with highest average SAT and ACT scores:
1. Minnesota
2. Iowa
3. Wisconsin
4. Kansas
5. Nebraska
6. Missouri
7. Illinois
8. South Dakota
9. Massachusets
10. New Hampshire
11. North Dakota
12. Conneticut
13. Utah
14. Michigan
15. Washington
16. Colorado
17. Montana
18. Oklahoma
19. Ohio
20. New Jersey
21. Vermont
22. Wyoming
23. Idaho
24. New York
25. Arkansas
26. Kentucky
27. Rhode Island
28. Tennessee
29. Virginia
30. Louisiana
31. California
32. Alabama
33. Oregon
34. Maryland
35. Pennsylvania
36. Indiana
37. Delaware
38. Maine
39. New Mexico
40. North Carolina
41. Alaska
42. Mississippi
43. Nevada
44. West Virginia
45. Hawaii
46. Arizona
47. Texas
48. Georgia
49. South Carolina
50. Florida (of course)

http://www.deseretnews.com/top/777/2/Florida-Which-state-has-the-highest-average-ACT-and-SAT-scores.html

>>5818325
inb4 rustics blaming minorities for that as if that's an excuse for living in a shit hole famous for retards

Buffalo NY here, all of your pizza and wings are sub par compared to ours.

>>5818404
no

>>5818404
Damn straight anon.

>>5818404
>confirmed for never having korean style wings or spicy peanut-cilantro wings
You guys do the best buffalo style for sure (imagine that), but tuscany shits on your pizza and Portland rapes your wings.

>>5818267
This is the only reasonable post in this thread.

we have too many italian immigrants.
Some of those old world guys are as bad as hispanics with not assimilating or learning english,but that has nothing to do with the cooking prowess

>>5818451
>Anything but a Frank's/Butter ratio with a side of bleu cheese
Absolutely Disgusting

>>5818000
>Didn't actually go to Michigan, I assume you look exactly like Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, and Iowa. I drove through all those. Also Iowa.

Once you get far enough north that the short growing season made it not worth leveling all the trees and draining wetlands for farmland, Mich/Wisc/Minn are amazingly beautiful. Even up to the early 20th century, southern Michigan was largely forested; the precursors to the interstates were paved with trees, and Grand Rapids MI became the US "furniture capital" as they hussled to find a use for all the trees they were clearing.

>>5817716
>grab a slice
The good pizza joints in NYC don't sell by the slice.

The restaurant that makes pizzas for The Big E is really good, I think they're in the Vermont building but I don't really remember.

>>5818476
stay ignorant, moron.

>>5819733
Yes they do.

>>5816963
What do you think of Pizzeria Regina?

>>5819763
DiFara is the only example I can think of, and you'll have to wait over an hour for that slice.

>>5819823
They are obscenely overrated. I paid $35 for a pepperoni pie 4 years ago (God only knows what it costs now), and the pepperoni was a quarter inch thick, there was WAY too much cheese, and the basil was haphazardly strewn about.

>>5819849
Why the hell would you go to DiFara and order pepperoni? And as for basil being haphazardly strewn about, Dom is the Jackson Pollack of pizza - everything on that pie should have been haphazardly strewn about. That's what you go there for.

I don't know if I'd call him overrated. He's the best in that area, hands down. Whether or not the place is worth a pilgrimage from another neighborhood is a judgment call. Last time I was there he was getting a little heavy with the olive oil.

I like Totonno's style better. But now plenty of places have brick ovens, so pizza pilgrimages are less of a big deal than they once were. It's pretty easy to get pizza close to top tier without even visiting an old schooler. Fucking 'Lil Frankie's turns out amazing pies, and they even deliver.

>>5819875
Why? Because I was born, raised, and went to school in Boston. I moved to Sheepshead Bay on a whim and heard about DiFaras, just a couple of stops away. I went and ordered what I always ordered at home.

Got better and recognizing good pizza while I lived in NYC, but always say that DiFara's is overrated.

So is Grimaldi's

>>5818174
Southern Indiana here.
Can confirm we have some beautiful forests and lakes down here, especially during autumn. Stay the fuck away from northern Indiana though. Nothing but flat plains of nothing and ghetto (near chicago).

Because it has to do with the oven being used in those areas and the patina that they have. In those areas you can still find places that still uses a brick oven and through the years the patina has improved onto the flavor . Other places have metal ovens that have a funny smell to them when they are heated

>>5819913
This is speudoscience. The only 'patina' is going to be left over burnt carbon.

>>5819899
>Boston
Got it. All you knew was slice joint pizza. If the low moisture cheese comes pre-shredded in a plastic bag pepperoni is great. But putting it on a pie made with fresh mozzarella just shits up the flavor of the cheese.

>Grimaldi's
Places like Grimaldi's and DiFara gained their fame when they were your only option other than slice joints. Compared to slice joints they were much better. But word got out that if you built a brick oven, made your own sauce and used proper cheese people would pay $20 for a medium size pizza tons of places jumped on that bandwagon. Many of these places are turning out "better" pies than the old schoolers, but they're fancier and pricey. They make money off their wine lists.

Good pizza has gentrified with the rest of the City. Those who have a problem with that can eat the 99 cent slices. I personally don't mind shelling out for the good stuff. I eat pizza rarely enough that I don't mind it being a splurge.

>>5819934
Well... I still find it hard to justify spending basically anything on a pie. I make them at home with fresh basil that my wife grows and fresh mozz ($5 that gets me 4 "medium" pies), home made sauce (costs about $2), and make my own dough for pennies.

Upstate NY is the best. Thicker than NYC, thinner than Chicago.

>>5816963
>Why does the northeast make the best pizza?
More Italians.

>>5819917
You do know all the grease/meat juices evaporates into the bricks? Metal ovens have a very foul order and it goes into the pizza. Foul order most likely from the paints

>evaporate
Not sure you understand the meaning of that word

>>5819934
Why don't you go shove some gabagool up your ass and STFU.

If anyone in NJ lives close to Hamilton/Trenton; Vincents pizza is really fucking good. I buy 2 atleast once every two months or so.

There's also brothers pizza, they're pretty good. And there is also Antonios, good too.

>>5817716
This. I moved out here to NorCal about 4 years ago, and I've had some of the best pizza I've ever tasted out here. The whole Californian bad pizza myth is just that, a myth. Sure, there's bad pizza here, just like there is anywhere, but there's also god tier pizza. And, there's transplants here who make the best of all worlds. Yep, it gets a bad rap, just because people want to hate on California. Although, I cant' speak for SoCal, because that place is a shit hole. NorCal master race.

>>5817979
Ignoramus

>>5818183
>>5818325
#rekt like a bitch

>>5819948
>I still find it hard to justify spending basically anything on a pie.
If my oven went over 750 degrees I would never go out for pizza. Unfortunately my oven tops out at 550, which means I can't get the char I want on the crust without burning the exposed sauce.

So I bite the bullet, hit a joint with a wood oven, order a bottle of wine, and accept this as the cost of liking upscale pizza. And the wife thinks dropping the greater part of a c-note doing that makes for a great date. So what are you gonna do?

>>5817038
>>5817048

Best tasting water in NJ is around Edison and Metuchen.

Worst tasting is anywhere in southern ocean county. Forked river and Barnegat

Northeast rules midwest sucks

>>5818325
based midwest

>>5818325
The funny thing is that the smartest states are from the northeast still

>>5816994
I love Ohio pizza because I can get any kind I want. My neighbor who lives 2 houses down from me owns a nice pizzeria. Chicago style is the absolute worst, Jon Stewart called it an "above ground marinara swimming pool for rats" and "a fucking casserole".

>>5820081
Just the most self absorbed.

>>5817479
yes this is the fucking chicago pizza i fucking love. throw some sausage green peper and onion on there hell yeah

no one in chicago actually eats deep dish

>>5820081
>1. Minnesota
>2. Iowa
>3. Wisconsin
>4. Kansas
>5. Nebraska
>6. Missouri
>7. Illinois
>8. South Dakota

lmao idiot

>>5818187
I hope he meant cheesecakes

>>5818325
>deseretnews.com
>Owned by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

>>5820420
ayy

>>5816963
California has the best

>>5817032
I've always heard it was the water too. Jersey fag here

>>5818325
>owa
>3. Wisconsin
>4. Kansas
>5. Nebraska
>6. Missouri
>7. Illinois
>8. South Dakota
no black people in the top 8. not accurate.

>>5817908
I like Ohio's interstate rest areas, if that counts. And that weird curve on the road through Cleveland is usually good for a kek.

>>5818325
>Still top 20 with Detroit
Sheeeeiiiit..

>USA in charge of making pizzas

Seriously?

>>5818325
>NH
it's still awwright.
(And better than NY, lel.)

I will say that people seemed pretty smart when I lived in Wisconsin, and everyone I've met from Iowa was cool.

>>5822766
>implying detroit schools don't pad the scores so the chimps can cheat their way into college where they typically wash out in the first month

>the glorious feeling when a shitty Italian take-away pizzeria will surely be better than the most pompous American pizza-restaurant

Seriously, guys, have you ever been to Italy?

>>5822801
that's flower not pizza
you make pizza with flower but still

>>5822806
I sincerely don't know why a cotton flower has been chosen in my folder.

>>5822809
Because you're a retarded eurotrash with bad hygiene

>>5822732
>missouri
>no black people

>>5822952
theyre certainly working on it

>>5818325
Here are some more lists.

These are the 2006-2007 findings of the Education State Rankings, a survey by Morgan Quitno Press of hundreds of public school systems in all 50 states. States were graded on 21 factors, including student achievement and attendance, positive outcomes, strong student-teacher relationships and school district efficiency. The 2006 award measures states based on factors including expenditures for instruction, pupil-teacher ratios, high school graduation and dropout rates, and reading, writing and math proficiency.

Vermont
Massachusetts
Connecticut
New Jersey
Maine
Virginia
Montana
Wisconsin
Iowa
Pennsylvania


Nebraska
New Hampshire
Minnesota
Rhode Island
Kansas
New York
South Dakota
Maryland
Wyoming
Idaho


North Dakota
Missouri
North Carolina
Indiana
Texas
South Carolina
Colorado
Delaware
Florida
Tennessee


Kentucky
Arkansas
Washington
Ohio
Illinois
Oklahoma
West Virginia
Utah
Michigan
Oregon


Georgia
Hawaii
New Mexico
Louisiana
Alabama
Alaska
California
Mississippi
Nevada
Arizona

>>5824538
Iowa used to be higher, but in 2005 they closed down the section 9 projects in Chicago and moved the families to central Iowa in an effort to give their children a chance at a better life. It failed horribly. Crime in Iowa skyrocketed, the educational standards feel to abysmal levels so the ghetto kids could keep up, and within 2 years over 80% of the males that moved to Iowa were incarcerated. Its actually a very touch topic with Iowans.

>>5824538

This one is IQ.

>>5824557
1. MASSACHUSETTS. .104.3

2. NEW HAMPSHIRE. .104.2

3. NORTH DAKOTA 103.8

4. VERMONT. .103.8

5. MINNESOTA. 103.7

6. MONTANA. .103.4

7. MAINE. 103.4

8. IOWA 103.2

9. CONNECTICUT. 103.1

10. WISCONSIN. 102.9

11. KANSAS 102.8

12. SOUTH DAKOTA 102.8

13. NEW JERSEY 102.8

14. WYOMING. .102.4

15. NEBRASKA 102.3

16. WASHINGTON 101.9

17. VIRGINIA 101.9

18. OHIO .101.8

19. INDIANA. 101.7

20. COLORADO 101.6

21. PENNSYLVANIA 101.5

22. IDAHO. .101.4

23. OREGON .101.2

24. UTAH .101.1

25. MISSOURI 101.0

26. NEW YORK .100.7

27. MICHIGAN 100.5

28. DELAWARE .100.4

29. NORTH CAROLINA .100.2

30. TEXAS. 100.0

31. ILLINOIS 99.9

32. MARYLAND .99.7

33. RHODE ISLAND 99.5

34. KENTUCKY 99.4

35. OKLAHOMA .99.3

36. ALASKA 99.0

37. WEST VIRGINIA 98.7

38. SOUTH CAROLINA .98.4

39. FLORIDA. 98.4

40. GEORGIA. 98.0

41. TENNESSEE. 97.7

42. ARKANSAS .97.5

43. ARIZONA. 97.4

44. NEVADA 96.5

45. ALABAMA. 95.7

46. NEW MEXICO 95.7

47. HAWAII 95.6

48. CALIFORNIA 95.5

49. LOUISIANA. .95.3

50. MISSISSIPPI. .94.2

>>5824569

>>5824551
really? links? sounds like you made all this up frankly

>>5816963
>tomato soup with cheese in a bread bowl
Stop this. It was funny when Jon Stewart said it. When you morons repeat it ad nauseum it sounds stupid and desperate.

>>5824600
I have no idea where I would find this info to share, its common knowledge here.

>>5824641
Actually here, apparently its a very well known thing.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=families+from+chicago+projects+moved+to+iowa&pc=MOZI&form=MOZSBR

>>5824538
>public school
lmao people go to these?