/ck/ - Food & Cooking

what do you think i am, rich? i make ramen threads you dipshit

>>6181774
>not boardsmith

>>6181774
but i do OP.

>>6181774
>>6181775

those are both beautiful, but i only use wood for decoration. keep a pile of fruit on it with a loaf of french bread when company comes over, shit like that. i just use my cheap plastic ones because they won't get wrecked by the dishwasher.

i just can't bring myself to slice into a beautiful wood cutting board, and mine isn't even half as nice as the ones pictured above.

>>6181774
>329 monies
Is only wood, yes?

>>6181774
Because I'm patiently waiting for the American cherry logs I have stored to season. This summer I'll be milling them and turning them into a large, end-grain, butcher block table 4-6 inches thick. When it is finally done, it'll be worth over $2k USD. I'll be practicing some techniques on smaller cutting boards with the same wood though. Those will be worth about $250 to $500 each.

i have a $15 IKEA wooden cutting board
what does that one do that mine doesn't

>>6182102
cost $329.95

>>6182092
Goddamn.

>>6182102
keeps your knife sharper for longer

although $330 is a bit much for an end-grain board.

because i can go in my backyard, cut down a tree and make a better board for free

>>6181774
>spending $330 on something that's just going to get dinged up with a knife anyway.

What makes this $310 better than the $20 ones I can get at Bed Bath and Beyond?

>>6182165
it has a special snowflake brand name on the side

carpenter here
you're all suckers

>>6182214
sure bruh let me just go spend $600 on a table saw, $2000 on a planer machine, $800 on a drum sander, another $1000 on various hand tools and $3000-$5000 on a shed big enough to keep it all in and have space to work with.

now i can finally start saving money on wood.

>>6182233
>not having tools in your garage and two sheds

>>6182233

>>6181774
It looks fantastic but I'd probably let it get mildew on the sides and have to throw it away in a few years.

>>6182233
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>6182233
You could make a half decent cutting board with one hand saw and some sandpaper if your patient.

>>6182258
It'd last decades if maintained properly.

>>6182165
The smug feeling you get from knowing that you spent $330 on a piece of wood.

>>6182233
I'm just going to use a cross cut saw from ACE hardware, an old hand planer, and some other hand tools, glue, pipe clamps, and ratchet straps to make my butcher block table. I don't even need nails or screws since I'll be using wooden joinery for the legs using pegs and glue. I'm not even going to use electricity.

>>6182274
Don't use sandpaper, that creates dust that you can't get out of the pores. Instead use a hand planer and a scraper/broken glass to shave things smooth. You'll get a far better surface.

>>6182258
>this is why we can't have nice things

It would only ruin if you don't take care of it properly. Don't butcher a chicken on it and leave it in the sink to soak.

>>6182318
>$100 saw
>$70 plane
>$40 clamp set
>$13 glue
>$X "other hand tools
>$X wood

at this rate i can just go buy the $120 end-grain board from a local woodworker.

>>6182329
how do you not have fucking tools?

>>6182337
why would you assume that anyone has tools?

this is the board for poor college students to talk about instant noodles and fast food, you think anyone has a full-fledged workshop in a college dorm?

>>6182347
well if you're in college and buying a cutting board that costs more than $20, you can go fuck right off

>>6182321
damn nature you scary

>>6182329
No, my saw only cost $20 ACE. The plane was $10 from a thrift store and I had to make a blade for it. The clamps were about $15 from Harbor Freight Tools. Glue is about $10 and wood is $0 since it was a locally wind damaged tree. The other hand tools I will use only add up to about $15 max since I bought old second-hand tools from a thrift store. All in all, at the very max, that'd be $100 in tools.

But, that $100 in tools have long ago paid for themselves. I've used them to make all sorts of things and sold those things. I've probably made about $4k just from odds and ends stuff I've made and sold. Who knows how much money I've saved making things for myself though.

I can also make a few small end grain boards for about $5 in materials and sell them for $100 each.

>tfw your hobby pays for your 4chan hobby

>>6182347
Most colleges have a workshop with woodworking tools. Just talk to the teachers that oversee it and tell them you want to make an endgrain butcher board. They may even have tons of little scrap pieces of maple and cherry you can use that won't cost you anything. At most, you may need to pay for the glue.

>>6182373
>Most colleges have a workshop with woodworking tools.
cool assumption, bruh.

>>6182396
My college did,

http://studentlife.mit.edu/hobbyshop/tools/woodworking

There are many hackerspaces that do the same thing.

http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/List_of_Hacker_Spaces

>>6182233
REKT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXnCc-zMln4
Autism at the finest.

>>6181774

Because I cut right on my countertops. I don't need a special magic board to cut my food on.

>>6182233

>>6182523
how is that autism?

Disregarding the whole >use your colleges woodworking shop. Or >buy all these tools because you clearly are going to be able to make a butcher block without fucking up several times while learning. OP is fucking beautiful even if it is stupid pricey.

>>6181774
>not owning a 600$ cutting board
stay pleb

>>6182753
This made me kek.
Thanks anon

>>6182753
>cutco

>>6182092

what are you using for epoxy

my father made a chessboard from walnut and oak and lathed all the chess pieces from nickel and brass ingots.

he also made several cherry and curly maple cutting boards that are dynamite
>i'm waiting for him to die

>>6182318

clean the sanding dust off with alchohol or spirits noob

>>6182092
niiice

>>6182373
>tfw im in an intro woodworking class this semester

>>6182817
>what are you using for epoxy

I'm still pouring through glue and epoxy research online as to what will be best to use. I want it to be as durable as possible while remaining as safe as possible.

So far Titebond III is in the lead.

>>6182820
It will never look as good as something planed or scraped correctly. Which is much faster than sanding, fyi.

>>6183091
>hand scraping endgrain
i think were done here

>>6182115
>keeps your knife sharper for longer
How? Has this been proven?
Explain.

>>6183095
You would be.

>>6183099

plastic is just as good.

>>6183139
That explains nothing, I'm not cutting pasta.

>>6183146
use your critical thinking skills and imagine what that pasta might represent, given the context it is presented in.

>>6183146
nigger detected

>>6183139
So it keeps the knife sharper cause it lets it sink in more?

Even so, a $310 difference in price for having the grain cut differently seems like a bit of a rip-off.

>>6181774
Because I have one that was 1/3rd the price, which I still think is fuckhue expensive for a cutting board, but I love it.
>>6183139
End grain does save your edges a little wear, but it's also (more so, I think) for the surface drying quality and less splintering, which means less potential contamination, easier maintenance, and improved board longevity.

>>6183189
>$310 difference

They aren't that expensive, typically. There's some on Amazon for like $30. If you get lucky/are persistent, they can be had for cheap at thrift stores or garage sales as well. But that's true of just about any durable cooking tool.

>>6183091

type 3 PVA is a good choice for a moveable, droppable object- I did my butcher block counter with PU and 2"x6 planks but it's a fixed structure

>>6183091
>>>6182820
>It will never look as good as something planed or scraped correctly. Which is much faster than sanding, fyi.

I disagree, this is something of a popular canard right now. first, planing end grain really cannot be done without a shop quality mechanical planer wide enough to take the whole piece and you're going to burn up the blade doing it to boot and second, sanding really is a necessary final step. sanding for stock reduction and shaping, not so much.

but I guarantee you every one of those $300 boards gets sanded and properly cleaned before it goes out the door

>>6183246

I forgot to add that marine epoxy is an excellent choice for this as well but you have to pay attention to the recipe and cure time, and cleanup's a bit of a bitch compared to pva

>>6181774
I use a plastic cutting board I can but in the dishwasher. I figure that's the most sanitary way and Lord Alton Brown agrees. I have $50 meat chopping board that is wooden. It smells like delicious smoked meats.

>>6182119
>>6182115
>>6182258
No

>>6182165
>>6182102
Almost no difference.

>>6182233
>2000 Planer machine
>600 on a table saw
Jesus what the fuck are you milling? Those numbers are backwards.

>>6182373
If you're milling wood from a fell tree that's not kindled or dried, that board is good as dirt.

>>6183091
>Titebond III an epoxy
Jesus fuck NO that's not even an epoxy. Oh wait you're talking about glue too. If you want to do an epoxy finish, it's not going to matter. Matte buff a leveling epoxy if you want a cutting board that's going to last and not be a problem.

Unless you have a belt sander or a router, the cutting board isn't going to be flat or look as good as OP's pic.
>Scraping end grain
Don't be a retard. Don't be one of those old faggots that just uses card scrapers for everything. They leave marks on end grain like mad after you finish Either sand it, or get a smooth plane and sharpen it yourself.

>>6183139
>>6183149
This picture is great at trying to explain to /ck/ fags that don't know how wood works or the structural integrity of end grain. It's also great at not being related, because the end grain doesn't magically open up, and it shouldn't. If you have a hard finish on the top of your piece, it's not going to magically open. If you put a plastic cover over the top of the pasta, that would be more accurate. The only exception here is if you use a piercing finish like danish oil.

>>6183246
This guy knows what's up

>>6182318
Don't even bother if you're just going to do pegs for joints. It won't last for more than a few years. You'll probably mill it in the summer too and wonder why it pops in the winter and your finish looks like ass.

>>6183189
You can get an end grain board considerably cheaper than that. It's just the "name brand" basically.

>>6182329
You're missing half the point. This is also somebodies hobby.

>>6183290
the point he's trying to make is that you can save money by buying all of the equipment for a new hobby just to make a cutting board.

>>6181774
Because I made one out of left-over Mountain Ash with my carpenter father years ago. It's lasted ever since.

>>6183321
got photos?

>>6183341
Not here sadly, I'll have to find my old SD card and post it sometime.

>>6183273

kek i just remembered the time my hick cousins built a cowshed out of fresh milled pine planks. knocked it up in a weekend in June- by next year it was a picket fence with a roof on it ahahaha

>>6183357
>Picket fence with a roof on it

>>6183246
I've planed scraped tables and floors before. It can be done easily by hand with a smaller tool. You need to take your time and do it right. It always looks better than sanded.

>>6183273
Jesus, you don't know shit about what you are talking. Leave it to the pros please, Mr. X.

>>6183493

there are exactly no professionally finished wood products for home use that do not involved sanding as part of the finish. you cannot hand plane a surface to an acceptable uniformity or touch even if your mr miyagi

>Leave it to the pros please, Mr. X.

I'm

>>>6183246 (You)

And I am a pro. I worked at a specialty lumberyard and mill with every kind of wood stock known to man, used industrial lumber milling equipment, worked as a carpenter, a cabinet fitter and fine woodworker and restorationist and I still make small stuff as a hobby

and >>6183273

is pretty much on point. You seem to be a well intentioned amateur and I'm sure your board will turn out fine, but don't act like you're King Shit of Fuck Hill. Have some humility and engage in the dialogue.

What's a good wood cutting board for price?

>>6183493
Okay grandpa
Mind saying where i'm wrong, or do you just want to make vague insinuations?

>>6184172
Every single thing you replied to with info is completely wrong. Not just one or two. The entire batch of the post. Right along with this mook >>6183517

It is like you are both 16yo and read about woodworking online.

Telling you what you did wrong would essentially be teaching you a 4 year course on wood working from the ground up, so fuck that, I'm not your father.

>>6184172


Well, like the other guy said, recovering useable wood from a downed tree isn't a given. You basically want to cut that tree up into something close to the shapes you want it and let those clean pieces season indoors. if you want 2 inch thick boards, cut them to 2.75 thick, they'll shrink and you will dress them to the right size after they are all the way dry.

If you can get them kiln dried that is ideal but if not you can store the planks flat and separated with dunnage for 8-12 mos. they make moisture checkers for this but that's fancy.

You can then assess what's come out in useable shape and what is firewood. if you get 5 straight planks out of a 4 ft peice of trunk, expect 2-3 of them to check or warp. 50% loss is expected

after you can see what you've got in clean dry useable lumber, you can start designing your board or counter top.

I don't necessarily agree with the other guy about pegged construction, I've worked on furniture that was >200 years old and didn't have a single nail in it, but it is a fact that you don't get it right the first time. It takes practice and training. the guy who was my boss at the restorer's spent 5 years in Europe learning fine cabinetry to work on stuff like that.

Shaker style pegged furniture isn't that hard on paper but its a bear to get just right.

so basically prepare you anus and work on getting that wood into shape so you know what you've actually got before you start planning

>>6184331

Your lack of specifics, even when asked for an example, is undermining your credibility.

>>6183306
no one tried to make that point
this all started because i said
>carpenter here, you're all suckers
because anyone spending more than fifty bucks on a bunch of wood scraps is fucking retarded
because thats what they do
they build a staircase or cabinet out of some cherry an expensive oak whatever, where the customer has PAID for the lumber, then they say 'hey new guy pick up these scraps and make a cutting board if it sucks your fired' and turn around and sell it for 2500% profit because it was basically free

>>6182233
kek

>>6183091
Poly Vinyl Acetate

>>6182347
I'm in college and I have a set of tools waiting for when I finally move in to a real house. Did your family not love you enough to get a full workshop of tools for when you finally need them?

>I don't necessarily agree with the other guy about pegged construction, I've worked on furniture that was >200 years old and didn't have a single nail in it, but it is a fact that you don't get it right the first time. It takes practice and training. the guy who was my boss at the restorer's spent 5 years in Europe learning fine cabinetry to work on stuff like that.


Very fair. Nice to see another carpenter on 4chan for once. I focused on finish work but our shop is pretty small so I do anything that's needed. Working on upping my drafting skills so maybe I can move to something i'll be more capable of when I am older. Been doing it for 14 years, you?

>>6184435
>ain't no body got time for dat

That's a book's worth of bad info that needs correcting.

>>6184426
I've never had trouble with pegged stuff. The PC desk I made uses pegs. Even the slats on the top are pegged down for looks.

>>6181774
>Why don't you own a $329.95 cutting board?
Because I have the $1000 version.
It came in the house.

>>6181774
I got one exactly like that as a gift. Two of the planks are splitting apart, what do I do?

>>6186575
How old is it and did you abuse it?
If not very and no, contact the manufacturer or retailer. If they stand by their product, they should repair it or replace it.

>>6186596
Old, I live in a different state now.
Possibly, I've had it since I was a teenager. I never used it much because it's too big to wash. But I tried to not soak it in water. Maybe I should just give it away.

>>6186603
Maybe. If it's separated a lot, I wouldn't want to use it or have others use it. Worst case, food particulate and enough moisture can get into larger spaces to make a home for some nasty cultures. If it's a very small separation and it doesn't seem to be getting worse, make a judgement call.
I'm not a good wood worker (just a kitchen guy), but from my limited experience with fiddling with some projects and repairs, I would think the only real way to fix it is if you cut them apart at the affected joints. Make a clean, even, new surface on both sides where they were cut apart, and apply new adhesive and clamp.

>>6186575
>>6186742

nah no need.

get some marine epoxy from home dipshit and two bar clamps.

dry the board completely off and apply epoxy into the crack, use a good amount. clamp it together and screw it down TIGHTIGHTIGHT until the split is completely closed.

let it dry at least 24 hours and let the board alone for at least 7 days.

it cracked because someone left it in the wet, endgrain cutting boards suck up water like nobodie's business. you absolutely can not leave it on a wet surface.

>>6187282
It can also crack from humidity moisture changes and heat. Most endgrain boards are actually too thin and as a result warp and crack very easily. Never buy one that is under 4 inches thick. Keeping them well-oiled with a stable food safe oil helps prevent this (butcher block oil/butcher block conditioner).

>>6186034

I did it for about 10 years starting as a site money building wood frame houses, lumberyard, went into finish work then the restoration gig. white collar now but i deeply appreciate the skills and knowledge needed for actual woodworking. I probably would have gone further but life doesn't always let you steer

if I were you I'd definitely be looking into design, but if you have a shop and tools, there's a decent living to be made selling your stuff over the internet. charge more than you think it's worth you'd be surprised what ppl will pay for ambiance

>>6187282
I would not think the adhesive would bind well to a surface that has another adhesive on it already. That has been my experience, anyway. I would bet that the first bit of contraction and expansion will open it right back up.

>>6187369
Depends on how brittle and hard the wood is.
4 inches thick is a bit much, I would be comfortable with an endgrain cutting board 1¼" thick as long as it wasn't more than a square foot.

>>6182233
>now i can finally start saving money on wood.
Why cant I stop laughing?

>>6181774
But I do.

I just use a tree stump.

>>6188555
smart

>>6188550
send me some money through paypal so I can pay for uni? :)

>>6188560
I would rather spend it on guns, sorry.

>>6188564
then get a p226 and a full size kimber .45

>>6188568
>kimber .45
Or not.
The P226 on the other hand I was already thinking about.

>>6188556
Thanks!

>>6188574
my dad's had a real nice stainless kimber .45 since before i was born. it's great. people just dont take care of their shit.

>>6188582
>brand new guns
>It's your fault that they came that way, take better care of your things.
Kimber rep pls go.

>>6188588
bruh i have a magpul case on my phone, so i think know what im talkin about

>>6181774
>>6181781
Too tall, not enough surface area. 4/10 barely usable.

>>6188594
>bruh i have a magpul case on my phone, so i think know what im talkin about
>No no guise, I swear, its due to misuse of our brand new product and not our shitty manufacturing and even worse Q/C, please believe me!
I dont care if you have a fagpul dragon dildo, Kimber has Q/C issues that are well documented and as a result they have lost a large volume of sales. Your shilling on a cooking board wont fix that.

Is there any empirical evidence regarding edge retention between end grain or edge grain wood, HDPE or whatever?

Sanitation-wise I feel more comfortable with HDPE. I can just sand it with whatever if I feel it's too gouged. Or use the other side.

>>6188653
>Sanitation-wise I feel more comfortable with HDPE
Wood is more sanitary based on the fact that the wood itself, through capillary action, actually sucks the water out of any bacteria where as with your plastic they just live in little pockets until you either sand it all off and bleach it or you bleach it after every single use.

>>6188663
No, it just traps them. Practically speaking it won't release them into a knife edge or food. I just do all my vegetables first and immediately wash the cutting board if I slice meat.

>>6182555
>>6186557
What's with these plebs being proud of ruining their countertops?

>>6188685
Also, HDPE boards are dishwasher-safe and a dishwasher will thoroughly obliterate bacteria even if it's heavily scarred.

>>6188685
>>6188689


Nope. wood not only pulls the bacteria in it removes the water and the bacteria die. It's been approved by the FDA

http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceRegulation/RetailFoodProtection/FoodCode/ucm188064.htm

>>6188688
Some people have butcher block counter tops that are meant for that purpose.

>>6188775
While I agree, there are other factors that come into play. It's easier to control the sanitation technique on plastic boards, which is why they are generally preferred in the industry.
I like them both, and a nice end grain board is certainly prettier when taken care of, but more or less sanitary depends on how it's used and cared for. I thought 4chan was usually all about cheaper. For the sake of consistency, I'd say, if you don't have access to and room for a cheap chunk of tree like >>6188555
, go plastic.

>>6182233
5 star post

>>6182369
It's just metal oxidising, if I had to guess I'd say this is greatly sped up.

>>6182396
Most colleges do, they're hella useful, you can use them to make sets for plays, they make rigs for various experiments.

I mean, fuck, the community college I went to had a pretty sizable workshop. If a small community college out in Nowhere, Michigan has a woodshop, you'd think that most decent colleges would.

>>6182233
>Thinking you have to spend $10,000 for a decent set of tools
>Not having most of these things already
What's it like, living at home?

>>6182233
Harbor freight sells all of that but I do wonder why the planer ...


But really a project like this would only require a circular saw and some sandpaper ...

>>6188984
>buying tools at harbor freight

>>6189035
Where do you go? Tractor Supply Co?

>>6189035
You do know that electric brush motors are easy to service? But a 15 amp Dewalt is also nice for the price as well. But the most important thing are the blades that you use and how frequently you sharpen them...

>>6182321
What is this, mercury and aluminum?

When the fuck did I walk into >>>/diy/?

>>6189672
its tin at -40 degrees. (according to russians)

>>6189736

You need to do a little bit of everything to be a cook, and cooking is DIY frankly.

not sure why youd be surprised some of us are handy- i built my kitchen and i cook in it too

>>6189035
My rule of thumb is if it has a lot of moving parts, don't buy it at harbor frieght. If it's simple shit like a square or some generic brushes, I'll go there. They have five dollar vise grips where the originals are $20.00, None of them have broken so far.

>>6189736
>Filename
>For a cancerous pic
Shit man you need to leave