/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>6195618
>vice

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if japanese did it people would be jumping to their defense and on the bandwagon

meat is meat

>>6195618
I have an idea! I won't tell you what is right or wrong, and you won't tell me. Deal? And we won't rub it in each other's faces. If you want to fuck some twink in his ass, don't do it where I can see or hear about it. I think fags are disgusting, but I think moralfags are worse.

Now I'm going to go over here and eat my foie gras, play my violent video games that depict women as objects and decoration, smoke pot, and masturbate to rape porn.

>>6195618

Pigs are just as smart and aware as dogs, but we eat them. Why do we give eating pigs a pass? Either eat pigs and dogs, or if you're going to play the morality card, eat neither.

>>6195627
I can never find any good rape porn and the girls in my games keep trying to be people. You're lucky

>>6195618
>China's cool with it, why aren't you?

Because I'm not chinese...

And I have cow, chicken, pork, etc. readily available with no need for lesser alternatives.

>>6195618
I'm cool with it. I don't draw some arbitrary line in the sand between pets and livestock. Dog, cat, bunny, horse - it's all good to me. Anything that would be on the menu at a Cantonese restaurant I'd be willing to try. Even jellyfish (pic related)

Dog eating itself is alright, but the market tends to be shady and the livestock poorly treated. But then again this is China, so I doubt this is an issue exclusive for dogs.

Dogs and cats would taste like shit. Too much muscle and not enough fat. It's just cheap and easy food for street vendors, because, 'fuck you, that's why'.

>>6195644
> the livestock is poorly treated
If that's your excuse to not eat an animal, I have some bad news for you...

>>6195618
I think it is kind of gross, personally. I've got no problem with someone who eats dog though.

I don't like it
but the people who complain about it are even worst.
If you hate it so much, then why don't you go out buy some chicken, pig, or cows and send it to them

>>6195653
Not really an excuse, but rather they be regulated than not. And yes I know pigs, chicken and cows aren't exactly living in a five star environment.

imagine how much one of those doggies would love you if you took him home and gave it a bath and snuggles

>>6195618

They wouldn't kill them if they were pets. These are dogs specifically raised for food. Yes, some places do treat dogs very poorly before butchering them. Inhumane conditions for livestock has happen in many places around the world. It's not a good thing.

>>6195618
I'd eat dog.
I wouldn't want that dog to be a pet though. There's a difference between raising something for food and having an animal as a pet.


Vice sucks though; stop watching their crap.

Would you eat human if served it or would you be all sissy and pretentious and refuse to eat it?

>>6195709
>Yes, some places do treat dogs very poorly before butchering them. Inhumane conditions for livestock has happen in many places around the world.
This is partially cultural. In our culture the word "animal" comes from the Latin animalis, which means "having breath". Breath has been associated with spirit or life force in our culture (god breathed life into Adam). So there's a cultural undercurrent of animals having some kind of spirit, reflected in phrases like "all god's creatures."

This gives us a greater propensity to be concerned about animal welfare than the Chinese. The Chinese word for animals translates to "moving things". They do not see a spiritual aspect to animals. Slaughtering them just means they're no longer moving, and have become meat. Concern over the animal's welfare extends little further than it's value as meat.

I don't like it cuz I love dogs. Brings a tear to the eye seeing the caged ones. I just think that dogs shouldn't be used like that and I think the way they treat them is cruel. But as I understand its cheaper meat and its china so they don't really have a huge choice. I just wish it was at least better regulated where people wouldn't steal pets and shit. You would think pigs would be much more popular as the meat content is much higher and they reproduce at a higher rate maybe no one has brought them into the area in high enough number though.

>>6195736
Probably not because eating people can lead to neurological disorders.

>>6195741
Except not really though. Buddhism sees animals as continuous with humans. While the bible explicitly states that some animals pretty much exist to be human food. Not to mention scholars such as Descartes, who were influential to western ideas, discarded the idea that animals had any soul similar to ours.

>>6195743
Plenty of pigs in China.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/13/world/asia/pigs-china-river/

>>6195618
China is also cool with using gutter oil in food. Why aren't you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrv78nG9R04

>>6195755
>RFA

Listen, China a shit, no one is saying it isn't, but we don't need RFA to tell us that.

>>6195745

It's not like the animal meat you eat is any better

>>6195778
Okay.

>>6195746
Confucianism and Taoism have more pull than Buddhism in China. And while Western religion and philosophy have generally taken a stance against animals having anything resembling a soul ask any pet owner their opinion on the matter and you'll hear differently. People cry reading the Rainbow Bridge copypasta.

My argument was a summation of Fuchsia Dunlop's in her memoir "Sichuan Pepper and Shark Fin Soup". She was the first Westerner to attend a mainland Chinese cooking school, and went on at length about the differences in attitudes with regard to slaughtering animals. She makes a compelling case for why Westerners are more empathetic toward animals than the Chinese, especially in regard to animal suffering. A much better job than I did in my post.

Recommended reading.

>>6195796
I think it's just much easier to explain it by the fact China is overcrowded, poor and with a bunch of human rights infringement to begin with. The rich people feel they deserve it because they're rich and the poor don't give a shit because they're poor. Take any christian country in Sub-saharan Africa or South America that is shitty and overcrowded and I bet the animal rights situation is shitty as well.

Meanwhile in the west most people who care so much about animal rights are middle class people who can afford doing that.

>>6195796
That's a lotta bullshit. The reason Chinese people don't have much empathy for animals is because their socio-economic conditions do not let most of them have a pet, and their only interactions with animals are through their meat. If you look back into history people respected their cows and horses because they were constantly interacting with them and even nowadays calling someone an old cow is a sign of friendship and respect

>>6195618
despite all the attempt at gross out propaganda imagery, when she was interviewing people they were more than reasonable with their responses

>>6195736
Hmm it does look just like pork.

What do you know

>>6195618
I hear dog meat isn't especially tasty to begin with.
and it's stringy.

>>6195629
Well, pigs are kinda assholes. So there's that.

>>6195745
Only eating the brain. There is no problem with flesh

'orrible.

>>6195657
>If you hate it so much, then why don't you go out buy some chicken, pig, or cows and send it to them
Only on /ck/.

>>6195730
>There's a difference between raising something for food and having an animal as a pet.
A dog's a dog.
>Vice sucks though; stop watching their crap.
Triggered.

>>6195846
In other words, "no, I would not eat dog". Stop dissembling.

>watching vice

jesus christ, vice has been shit since gavin left. didn't rupert murdoch also "invest" in vice?

what a joke.

>>6195618
I don´t care that someone somewhere is eating dogs. I do however care that handle the dogs cruel.
They skin them alive, keep them in tiny cages, leave sores and wounds untreated, and even selling sick animals, that will infect humans.
If they would handle the meat trade morally, i would have no problem.

>>6195623
>if japanese did it people would be jumping to their defense and on the bandwagon

>>6195618
>China's cool with it, why aren't you?
Yeah, I'm in Taiwan, and a few weeks ago there was some video that hit Liveleak of a woman dragging the police into the back of a restaurant and screaming that that was *her* dog they had just butchered.

Everyone who posted on that forum about it was screaming furious, it was sad that they don't respect local culture.

Although the restaurant probably shouldn't have carved up that lady's dog. But considering that most of the people around here just feed a street dog and leave it running around crapping on the sidewalks, and call it "theirs", I have a difficult time finding fault with the restaurant for grabbing one of those. :-/

There is nothing wrong with it as long as the dogs are treated well and the execution is quick and painless.

>>6196132
This.

I like dogs and believe they should be treated well, but I'm not so blind or ignorant as to believe we can eat without killing.

>>6195623
chingchong pls.

>>6195618
>China's cool with it, why aren't you?
all oriental races are sub-human.
The dog thing does not surprise me/

>>6195618
This chick is biased as fuck and the whole video was irritating.
I've been to Shenzhen and seen dogs hanging in the windows of pikey village restaurants. It used to be the peasants and poorer folk who ate dog for a cheap source of protein. who gives a fuck

>>6195627

Okay.

>>6196258
Source?

Please?

>>6196258
Okay.

>>6195618
I wouldn't eat it, but if they want to its their choice. I love my dog

>>6196306
>>6196258
The fuck is this faggot shit

>>6195629

The fundamental difference between pigs and dogs is that we have been using dogs as companions, tools and guardians for a long, long time. Pigs have been used for slaughtering and what, finding truffles? I don't want to eat something that shares a species with an animal that I have an emotional connection to. Its the same reason why I won't eat a horse but I will eat a cow. There are some species where we share a mutually beneficial relationship. Killing and eating one of those animals feels like betrayal.

>>6196393
So it's baseless sentiment, then.

>>6196565
>baseless sentiment
>establishes reasonable basis for sentiment

Holy fuck, go eat some more nine inch nail cds while the adults talk.

>>6195666
Getting a dog is like adopting a retarded kid that will forever remain a kid. Just a total money pit

>>6195618
It makes me mad as fuck, dogs are bred to be companions to mankind, and has evolved alongside us.
Dogs are loyal to the end if they're treated right, and you'd have to be a borderline psychopath to abuse that trust.

Because where I live, they're a part of the family, and I don't eat my family.

>>6195825
>conditions do not let most of them have a pet, and their only interactions with animals are through their meat.
This is a factor as well. Farmers tend not to be very sentimental about killing animals, even beyond livestock. Too many cats on the farm? Next litter of kittens gets tied in a bag with a rock and tossed in the river. Four generations ago this was commonplace in the US. Today, where most Americans' only interactions with animals are with their pets we'd consider anyone who would do such a thing a monster. But we have to do a kind of doublethink when we eat bacon, because we sure as fuck don't want to think about pigs screaming in the slaughterhouse after we donated to the locan animal shelter this year. Fortunately bacon comes in vacuum sealed plastic, so we don't have to think about where it comes from if we don't want to.

The Chinese have no such sentiment because most of them were farmers until much more recently. They know how sausage is made, and don't have a problem with it.

>>6195618
I don't know, I'd have to try it first.

>>6196315
> faggot shit

>>6196258
source please

I would eat a dog if was raised in respectable conditions with minimal human contact. They're less intelligent than pigs, which I occasionally eat.
Dogs in Asia live in deplorable conditions and are literally tortured to death, though.

>>6196028
I feel like you should have a tripcode so you can be filtered

>>6196292
>>6196935
http://exhentai.org/g/754966/3e1ae483a8/

inb4 why is there a sad panda

>>6197082
10/10

>VICE

>>6196306
why can't i stop laughing?

>>6196565
>baseless sentiment
>over ten thousand years of domestication, specialization and intimate contact with humankind
>baseless sentiment

If that girl doesn't get naked in the vid why bother

>>6196306
>ducks

>>6195618
I have no ethical objection to eating dogs, but it does make me a little uncomfortable since I come from a culture where they are seen as companion animals.

That said if I ever travel to China or somewhere else where they're eaten I wouldn't mind trying some dog meat dishes.

>>6197293
If humans actually had an innate aversion to eating dog, they wouldn't eat dog in China/Korea/etc. Your argument only works if nobody eats dogs except a few mild sociopaths.

>>6197337

>implying China/Korea aren't a nation of sociopaths

>>6197337
You mean soulless individuals that eat dogs are considered human? You're trying to ruse me

I think it's fine and sensible but I'll admit that I love dogs and I can't help but feel unsettled.

>>6195618
personally i dont have a problem with people eating dogs or cats or whatever i have a problem when they dont kill them with efficiency and made them suffer , they may be our food , but there is no neccesity to make suffer which asians and maybe arabs tend to do but too be honest the asians including the japs are strange alien to our culture at best and at worse our cultural opposite

>>6197293
>domestication
same with pigs and cows
>specialization
same with pigs and cows
>intimate contact
same with labour animals, eg. horses and water buffalos

>>6195736
That's a type of Buddhist funerary rite, not cannibalism.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/gruesome/thaicannibals.asp

>>6195618
>why aren't you?

but i am. dogs are vermin.

>>6197355
Yeah I feel the same way. I love dogs so I don't think I could really stand to see one butchered and cooked, but I do understand that it's just a cultural thing so I won't be signing any petition telling people in another country that they can only eat the animals that I eat.

>eating a carnivore near the top of the food chain

How fucking dumb do you have to be

>>6196393
None of this has any relevance to an individual dog or non-dog animal.

>>6197053
so are pigs

>>6195778
Well, you can't get fucking kuru from a pig

I wouldn't care if it wasn't for
>kidnapping dogs which are most likely pets(yes it does happen often)
>improper culling methods
>crushing 20 dogs in one tiny pen

I asked an Asian person why eating pets is okay and why eating something say, kangaroo, or ostrich is not, both of which I've tried.
Apparently eating "things in the zoo" is Gross.

Do you agree with analogy?

I would definitely eat dog. And them being companions/pets would not hold me back.
I have chickens in my backyard who are total bros, but that doesn't stop me from eating chicken. If it's delicious I will eat it.

>>6197610
Get this, people from different parts of the world have different culture and grew up differently. Neither thinking is right or wrong, just different.

>>6197695

It's wrong if they can't justify it without sounding like a 4 year old, regardless of where they are from.

>>6195618
I've had pigs, sheep, chooks, dogs, cats and fish. I've eaten my pigs, sheep and chooks. But dogs and cats have character and I would feel bad if they died, i was fine with the sheep and others dieing. Fish are meh but they were pretty and small, if i had a tasty fish i'd eat it. So thats why I don't really eat dog. If the Chinese do I don't care, as long as its not my dog.

>>6195618
I think the real problem people have with the chinese eating dogs, is that its more upclose and personal. The animal killing isnt done in some neatly tucked away factory, away from everyone. Theres absolutely no difference between eating a dog and a pig, or a cow, or a chicken. Every animal can be raised as a pet and more or less they are all "smart". Ideally, im up for eating anything and everything, but I think people should be raising and killing their own food, just to be in tune with the bigger picture. You can see that its exactly like that with these asian people, they havent lost touch with reality and theyll be damned if some western pansy is going to get them to change their ways

>>6197722
>I've never left my country for more than a week

>>6195645
This. If you want shitty food, eat up. More for you if there's none for me.

>>6197734
>dogs and cats have character

>Goats and pigs don't
You're an idiot.

I'D SAY THE MEATS A LITTLE RUFF.
IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN

>>6195618
I ate dogs in China while I was on holiday, shit was cash. It was a flavor on its own, but if I were to compare it to something, I'd say beef.

>>6195623

>meat is meat

What about human meat?

>>6196584
They can be entertaining, and make useful burglar alarms. Also, it's totally hot to watch them fuck a big-tittied woman.

>>6197750
No he's probably never left his country at all.

>>6198213
>No he's probably never left his state at all.

He seems like the type that wonders why the radio station gets fuzzy in the car if you drive far enough

>>6196393
I've read that dogs were originally domesticated/bred as dual-purpose animals, both for companionship/working and as a fallback source of food if things got rough.

Though, it probably depends on the specific culture involved, domestication occurred in a few different places.

>>6198304
All domestic animals have historically been a food of last resort when times get tough. The best example is horse.

>>6196244
But now it's not.

>>6196592
So are pigs. The reason why dogs comes in so many shapes and sizes is because people breed them for specific purposes. It is only a relatively recent thing for dogs to be bred solely for their aesthetic values. If dogs can be bred to excel at hunting, herding and other purposes, it would not be surprising to expect one of the purposes would be for eating.

>>6197610
You're missing the point. The point is that in an ideal world where if >>6197605 didn't happen, then the dogs being eaten would be dogs of a particular breed that were bred to more tasty and less utilitarian.

>>6197389
nobody said those people were cannibals. that pic is just showing human meat

>>6195618
The woman at the end who spends $15,000 to "save the dogs" actually doesn't realize she's stimulating the dog meat market.

kekked

>>6198481
Village-Where-People-Eats-Human-Flesh-Discovered-In-Thailand-Picture-2[1].jpg

Are you incapable of reading file names or something?

>>6195618
china's also cool with communism too.

Dogs are bros and you shouldn't eat your bros.

>>6195618
Every time I scroll past this thread I think of Dina.

>>6198624
you're talking about one the ruthlessly capitalist markets on the planet. They may be one thing on paper but they're another in reality.

>>6195618
>why aren't you?

Men don't typically eat animals that have sworn loyalty to them as a species, and have been by our sides from the dawn of human history as partners.

It comes off as unappreciative or dickish in some ways, just like how we don't eat horses or cats.

If something has made itself that great of an ally to you throughout history, you don't start eating it just because it's there.

>>6198688
hahaha are you serious tell that to india and china dogs are literally a walking disease vectors there. That would attack and eat an unprotected child. The only reason you think dogs are good animals is because there such good animal control where you live.

>>6198702
Have you been to India or China?

>>6198717
I've been to India.
Stay dogs are a huge problem there. You can even see them eating dead human bodies in the Yamuna river.

>>6198688
>sworn loyalty
>cats

pick one.

>>6198729
>dead bodies floating around indiscriminately
>the dogs are the problem

>>6198733
India has a lot of problems especially with sanitation. But dogs only make it worse. They're also extremely aggressive and will attack people with food or children.

>>6198746
If dogs took that country over completely it would be a 100% improvement.

>>6198754
only if they were white dogs. black/brown dogs would just continue raping their women and answering tech support.

>>6198754
Well they're making great progress. They'll probably be a first world country in another 40 years.
I really don't think you understand how viscous dogs are by nature. The only reason they seem like such nice animals is they have a great capacity of learning and understanding consequences. A wild one would likely have you by the throat sooner than it would let you pet it.

>>6198754
>>6198773