/ck/ - Food & Cooking

white vegans
bolivians can't afford to eat the staple grain in their diet because of the demand for quinoa

also, this guy i guess
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-xoXbhnFHY

>arguing with a vegan
A wolf doesn't argue with prey.

>>6637323

Killing animals is bad.

fuck off OP

Pro: makes it easier to keep kosher

Con: animals are delicious

>>6637325

But what about the vegan woman?

>>6637334

I don't care.

Veganism shouldn't even be acknowledged. I don't give a single fuck about what kind of trendy plant a pasty, wrinkled woman slams down her fragile throat.

https://youtu.be/PcQmKyAXwMA

It's sad, because the little girl is clearly pretty unhealthy. She consumes barely any fat or protein.

>>6637303
Pros: Animals take a lot of energy to raise because they're one step higher on the food chain (takes 10x calories of feed to make 1x calorie of meat).

Cons: Harder to balance diet with only plant proteins, humans evolved as omnivores. Also animal feed can be grown cheaply or be byproducts of food processing (like spent bourbon mash), switching to veganism when you can afford meat makes vegetables more expensive for people who can't afford meat.

>>6637369
that's 10x calories in shit humans can't eat. the bulk of it comes from soya plants, which humans can only eat a tiny bit of, so the recycling of the rest of the plant into beef makes logical sense.

>>6637369
it's not just energy - raising livestock requires more land and water too.

e.g. http://uk.businessinsider.com/real-villain-in-the-california-drought-isnt-almonds--its-red-meat-2015-4

>>6637383
>not nestle
hmm yes okay

Individual market choices can't solve the systematic destruction of earth. The notion that not eating animal produce is a solution to the problem under our system is ludicrous considering how much agriculture has contributed to the deforestation in South America and Asia. Veganism is nothing more but a way to feel good, like going to Bono's "save the earth or something" concert or donating to NGOs like those PSAs full of celebritities. Veganism is no solution, Veganism is being co-opted and is becoming part of the problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oInl21livMY

>10 pounds of lettuce
>eating banana peels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNgA06xE_Ng

this womanly looks sickly frail and anemic.

>>6637491
She looks pretty normal.

>>6637491
She's a raw vegan. That means she can't eat shit like beans and nuts which regular vegans can.

>>6637303
Pro: none
Cons: meat is fucking delicious

>>6637544
Yes she can. And she can also eat meat. As can a "normal" vegan. They just choose not to, but they're perfectly capable of doing so. They choose to ignore our position as apex predators.

>>6637552
I don't get it. Why be this pedantic?

>>6637562
they are right though

>>6637562
Stop trying to convert me vegan shill. You need B12!

>>6637570
Depends what you mean by right, I wasn't trying to start an argument.

Sure, I could change what I said to
>She's a raw vegan. That means she choses not to eat shit like beans and nuts if she wants to be considered a raw vegan but physically can eat meat

But why would I do a thing like that?
Pointless nitpicking.

>>6637303
I think we evolved to be omnivorous. This means we have choices to eat meat or not, our bodies work perfectly well on a vegan diet but not so well on a meat only diet.
Veganism is no more unnatural than eating both meat and plant matter.

>>6637578
That's not nitpicky. It's right. You're wrong. Accept your failure. Own it.
It's not that they can't. It's that they don't.

>>6637578
>post pointless nitpicking
>complains when called out on pointless nitpicking by calling the response pointless nitpicking

lel

>>6637323

>>6637584
I wasn't trying to start an argument, buddy. I was just telling you she was a raw vegan in case you didn't know.

I'm not wrong and when you calm down you'll see this. Stop for a moment and take a look what you're arguing about. You're getting mad because I said "can't" instead of "choses not to".

>>6637585
I just trying to tell people why she is eating 10lbs of lettuce. I wouldn't call that nitpicking.

>>6637588
I'm not mad. I'm right. How can someone right be mad? You're wrong. It's far more likely you'd be mad than I would. Vegans can eat meat. Vegans choose not to eat meat. It's that simple.

>>6637362
nothing wrong with this, I like avacados for fat tbh

>>6637593
If she wants to remain a vegan, she can't eat meat. Eating meat will strip her of her vegan title.
Therefore she can't eat meat.

check
mate

how do vegans get iron?

>>6637541

No she doesn't. Nobody deserves to look like that.

There may be something seriously wrong with her though. She shows in one of her videos (maybe that one) that she gets about 2700 calories a day with 100 or so of protein and plenty of carbs and fat.

She's around ~40KG and ~160cm with a sub 5% BF (which you can clearly see). I was 173 cm, 71KG and was bulking at 2700 calories. That woman must be retarded if she thinks she's getting anywhere near that amount of calories.

Healthy BF is between 12 and 18%.

>>6637593
>I'm not mad. I'm right.
>Vegans can eat meat.

Its basically impossible to be a vegan without being a crusty fuck. Nearly everything has animal byproducts in it-from makeup to deoderant.

Dont agree with factory farming, but were animals too.

All you have to do is post a picture of a scrawny, tattooed female vegan from the internet, and everyone on /ck/ will automatically pull out their personal soapbox and attack everyone else in the thread arbitrarily, completely ignoring what everyone else has to say and making up straw men.

I think there was a star trek TOS episode about this, where everyone gets assmad over nothing.

Here have a map, maps are always relevant in shitstorm threads.

>>6637611
You seem to have dropped something.

>>6637362
>It's sad, because the little girl is clearly pretty unhealthy.
I just had a quick at her instagram and noticed that she's a recovering anorexic and she looks much, much healthier now than she has in the past.

>>6637362
>It's sad, because the little girl is clearly pretty unhealthy.
I just had a quick look at her instagram and after I finished fapping I noticed that she's a recovering anorexic and she looks much, much healthier now than she has in the past.

>>6637605
She may be getting the calories but the bio-availability of the food she's digesting is just too low or it takes so many calories to digest it that she's burning more from digesting lettuce than she gets from it.

>>6637637
Easy to look better when you're no longer an anorexic.

>>6637362
She's getting plenty of fat and protein.

>>6637646
>Easy to look better when you're no longer an anorexic.
The point is that she went from looking like figure A to looking like figure B whilst on a vegan diet. So it can't be that bad of a diet.

It's a fad that no one cared about until it was "cool".

It's a "cool" that no one cared about until it was fad.

>>6637652
>She's getting plenty of fat and protein

is she also eating dick like you?

>>6637676
uncalled for, tbh.

>>6637653
Any diet is going to be better than no diet.
Also it's easy for women to get a perfect weight tbh, and being a vegan is healthy enough.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-a-womans-weight-before-pregnancy-affects-childbirth/
It's better for a woman to be slightly underweight before pregnancy than even being normal weight.

Instagram girl looks like she does exercise and she has tits so she's obviously eating enough.
She's obviously going to be healthier than a big chunk of Americans or Scottish or any fat nation since she puts more care in her diet instead of feasting on shitty fast foods.

>>6637676
I demand an apology.

>>6637652
M8, the avocado was pretty unusually, she usually eats mostly water based fruits. There's no way she get's in more than 20g of protein daily.

>>6637680
>Any diet is going to be better than no diet.
Yeah, fair enough.
And I should have said "'presumably' on a vegan diet" because I don't really know. She may have gorged on meat and fat and adopted the vegan diet later, but I doubt it.

>>6637544
>That means she can't eat shit like beans and nuts

So at the end of the day, its a contest as to who can survive on the least amount of food that isn't leafy?

>>6637708
She doesn't even eat the leafy stuff, mainly just fruit

>>6637705
It's possible, she went through an overweight stage while recovering, and then became thin on the hi carb low fat vegan diet.

>>6637708
Pretty much. There's a very small diet for a raw vegan.
No beans, nuts, soya, refined sugar.

There's bacteria that's had a better life than this.

>>6637599
That's not how veganism works.
Have you seen that picture of a cow with all the different parts labeled for all the products they're used in? It's titled "There's no such thing as a vegan."
I always had a problem with that picture because "vegan" doesn't mean a life completely devoid off animal suffering/animal products. It means a life attempting your best to minimise animal suffering/using animal products.
Ingrid Newkunt, the mother of all cunty vegans, uses animal products. It doesn't make her a hypocrite because she needs those products in order to stay alive. She chooses to use those products, despite the source and the symbolism involved in making that choise.

There's even some arguments about vegans who keep "companion animals" (that's what the self-righteous fuckwads call pets). If a vegan chooses to have a hen as a companion animal, she's going to lay eggs no matter what happens. Would it breaking veg to eat these eggs? The argument takes two sides, typically:
>yes, because the egg is symbolic of encouraging animal suffering
and
>no, because ignoring the potential foodstuffs is symbolic of ambivalence towards human suffering
I know a handful of vegans who keep hens. So long as the hen isn't discarded once she stops being useful (IE once whatever the avian version of menopause would be called sets in) and is cared for and loved until her eventual death, many (I'd guess most, actually) vegans wouldn't be against it.

>>6637717
>There's bacteria that's had a better life than this.

>>6637708
I wouldn't turn my nose up to that necessarily. There used to be a raw vegan café in my very hip-and-with-it area that had a startlingly good carrot cake. Talking to the owner, she does indeed eat beans and pulses and stuff, but sprouted, not boiled.
And she used housemade soy milk because factory made stuff isn't raw while homemade generally fits the definition as far as raw food faddists go.

>>6637362
>veganism
great
>raw vegan
completely fucking stupid

>>6637727
So a vegan who uses animal products when they can rationalize it is still a vegan?

You're full of shit

>>6637303
Who is this, she looks like she has a massive attitude problem.

>>6637303
Ive had it out with vegans before about a lot of points. It doesnt take long in an argument to learn that we basically only eat meat for ease of access and preference generally in the US and other developed countries. (Spoken like a vegan but Im not one, never even tried because I dont care about animals well being at all).

The only times I could get vegans to cede, were in cases of saving human lives and substantially enhancing them with nutrients they could get from animal products.

In modern day its really not ever necessary to eat meats or animal products, However I did have a friend who was hardcore vegan opt out after having difficulty getting proper proteins and iron. He stopped being vegan after a three year run just so hed stop feeling like shit all the time. Peoples happiness > animals every time.

>>6637794
I don't make the rules. Vegans do. I'm not a vegan.

If Ingy-poo can still tell people they're horrid pieces of shit for eating eggs while she's still benefiting from medicines made from animal products, then no: I'm not full of shit. I'm right. If she can and does still call herself a vegan and the vast, vast VAST majority of other vegans agree with the sentiment, then guess what?
—gasp of gasps!— vegans, like all other people who attempt to follow a ridiculously restrictive lifestyle of any sort whatsoever for any reason, either rationalise their failings or downplay the importance of following specific codes of conduct they don't like. It's that simple. :3

Also, a bowl of rice is ice cream now because Captcha said so.

>>6637808
Or look for loopholes. All people who attempt to follow restrictive lifestyles both
a) look for loopholes
b) criticise other adherents for finding loopholes they either don't personally approve of or are unable to rationalise away

It's just a fact of being in an Elite Club®, no different than being Saved™ as a Christian, Chosen™ as a Jew or whathaveyou.

Ask her why she hates animals so much.

I love animals, that's why I eat them. Without me eating animals, alot less cows, pigs and lambs would be "produced".

>>6637817
>Without me eating animals, alot [sic] less cows, pigs and lambs would be "produced".
I say, lad. Bad show. Such horrid grasp of grammar.
Surely, you meant
>Without me eating animals, far fewer cows, pigs and lambs would be "produced".
There you are. No need to thank me.

>>6637817
m8 what

vegans aren't about having more of animals, I honestly think most animals used for meat are useless and if it wasn't for carnists wanting to eat them, they'd be either extinct or just a small populace, fuck cows and pigs, let them fend for themselves

>>6637817
That's 9gag tier.

>>6637827
Less is a reasonable mistake to make if you consider how these CAFO farms are just a soup of biomass barely kept working by an incessant flood of antibiotics.

Now scream obscenities at me because I said something favorable to vegan values, even though I eat meat occasionally.

If God doesn't want us to eat animals, why are they so tasty?

Also: why is it so much fun hunting them?

>>6637303
Pro: you have something to talk about with retards
Con: everything else

>>6637837
it's just because you're used to the taste, you were brought up with it and that's what you crave

and it's fun because you're a sadist, why not kill people instead? It's much more challenging, no?

>>6637808

What's the problem with minimizing harm as far as one is able? There's no need to be so black or white about everything.

>>6637303
pros: none

cons: being vegan

>>6637833
>screaming obscenities
How lowborn must one be to scream obscenities at others for any reason? That's simply not proper nor respectable.

>>6637844
>what's wrong with that?
Nothing.
See >>6637727
The point is to minimise. Then rationalise or ignore that which you can't minimise.

>>6637620
How is this even close to fedora level.

0/10 meme usage

>>6637544
there really is no such thing as a "raw" nut, since they are steamed to remove the shell. That factored out, sprouted beans/seeds are fine for a raw diet.

>>6637303
Pros: Veganism is good for the environment, cheap, and doesn't hurt animals
Cons: They'll never enjoy a meal again, and will most likely suffer from a lack of protein, vitamins, and minerals.
Also they're faggots.
>Pic related

>>6637605
she's taking in so much fiber that she doesn't fully digest all of her caloric intake. I'm not raw, but am a vegan and I can easily go over my recommended daily allowance of fiber.

>>6637303
Seeing that disgusting bitch in your OP picture is good enough reason for me to stay away from them. She looks like some NPR bitch with an agenda.

>Pro you aren't eating meat
>No con unless you want to eat meat or are doing it wrong for your specific needs

>>6637611
there are natural lines of body products, house cleaners and deodorant. The ambiguous items you can come in contact with that are presumably made with animal byproducts are most plastics, adhesives and a plethora of other things. It's far easier to worry about what you put on your skin than what your credit card is made out of.

>>6637992
you haven't listened to NPR , have you ?

Pro: since I went vegan my blood pressure dropped from Stage 2 Hypertension to the low end of normal and my cholesterol is down by half to normal range (I'm 23), so I hopefully won't get heart disease by 40 like the rest of my family

Cons: My family is insufferable about it. When I was low carb they gave no shits about me eating nothing but meat at family events, but suddenly it's a huge deal that I do the opposite now

I tend to think we're natural omnivores, but that evolutionarily we are meant to eat mostly bugs and a wide variety of foraged plants rather than cow and fuckloads of farmed grains.

>>6637611
Magnesium based deodorant
Coconut oil based moisturizer
Citrus based cleaner
Clove (or literally a plethora of spices) based hand wash
Plant based soap like Dr Bronner's or homemade
Homemade, thousand-unresearched-chemicals free, laundry detergent

The only reason you didn't KNOW this is because you never looked, faggot. Now shut up you ignorant cunt.

>>6638023
Yeah, I can usually get through about 5 minutes of NPR before I turn it off. Their agenda disgusts me. They're almost as fucked as the BBC with their pushing agenda. If they stuck to actual news I'd be impressed but agenda types like that lost that ability about 30 years ago.

>>6638051
Yeah, and where the fuck do you think Magnesium comes from you dumbass vegan.
Is your brain this deprived of meat that it's affecting how you process thoughts?

>>6638023
NPR and BBC is done by interns with agenda's now instead of actual folks wanting to report facts and news. Neither are worth listening to.

http://liberatehp.freeforums.net/thread/10/vegans-eat

I'm just a meat popsicle.

>>6638061
The Magnesium in Epsom salt comes from Dolomite. Dolomite is a rock. In the manufacturing process, the carbon ingredient in the magnesium carbonate (dolomite) is replaced by sulphur. This then forms magnesium sulphate (Epsom salt).

Because dolomite is a rock, it is technically and spiritually vegan.

>>6638023
not that poster, i listen to npr a lot when i'm driving, and i lean pretty liberally, but you'd have to be blind not to see the massive liberal slant to many of npr's shows. NPR News seems reasonably objective on most stories, although even then their coverage clearly stakes out liberal positions. gay marriage good, genocide is bad, afterlife-ruling autocrat is imaginary, etc.

>>6638048

I didn't go vegan for health reasons, I should mention. I'd be way too much of a pussy to raise and slaugter animals, so I dot see why I should eat something that I wouldn't feel comfortable producing. I also know that I can live fine without meat and animal products, for the most part, so taste alone seems like a silly reason to justify it. I do tend to think all those gluten free, raw vegan, fruititarians, etc are some brand of crazy masochist, though. I personally eat loads of gluten (2oz has like 40 grams of protein), added oils, etc. I also have something of meat fatigue from eating pretty much nothing but meat for two years, and I love beans and nuts more than any other food, so it's not particularly hard for me. When I was little my family of four lived on 10,000 USD per year and we're de facto vegetarians living on stewed lentils and powdered milk, so I'm already pretty used to eating this way.

>>6638077
I think that they overproduce stuff a lot to keep up their budgets. They not only push agenda but a lot of their programming has weird background music and is just plain strange, same with BBC who is also pushing agenda. It's a lame excuse that they use to get crazy high budgets. NPR lost it when some chick took over as it's president in NYC in the 1990s, it really went to shit then.

looks like vegans don't eat a meal that isn't full of sugar, acids, and some sort of soy byproduct that is bad for teeth making vegans more likely to have tooth decay and cavities.

http://renegadehealth.com/blog/2014/07/19/why-vegans-have-bad-teeth

Same with PBS, they're even worse. Nothing, NOTHING gets produced on PBS without their agenda of socialism being pushed.

Same for all three of them, NPR, BBC, PBS... socialist agenda pushers, they're like drug pushers to some people who believe their bullshit agendas and need to "BELIEVE."

The so called normal networks aren't any better. That's why it's best to read multiple news sources from multiple nations and not be tied to any single one news source.

It's pretty funny and something that I noticed when I was a little kid, all of the network news, so called news, all put the same stories on at the same times and go to commercials at the same time.
Calling them pathetic is an understatement.

>>6638120
>socialism

Who let Fox News in here?

>>6638151
who /pol/ here ?

>>6638155
right here

My main beefs with vegans (pun intended):

Veganism is unnatural. Humans are omnivorous animals. Meat is supposed to be in our diet.

The idea that killing animals is wrong is stupid. Why is it wrong to kill an animal, but just fine to kill a plant? Plants are living things too, and they have as much a right to live as animals. What gives us the right to decide that a cow is more important than an onion? We have to kill things in order to live. That's the way life on this planet works.

Vegans always end up inconveniencing other people around them with their special dietary requests.

tto all these apex predatr people: That same rationale (we're bigger and thus worthy to do with as we wish with those weaker) is th same rationale child molestors and rapist use. You are no different from them. the only reason YOU haven't done those things is because you were not born into the opportunity to do it.

You are all wicked.

>>6638166
There's a weird-ass sect of veganism that e.g. waits for an apple to fall from the tree before eating it just to avoid that qualm

Forget what it's called but lels were had by yours truly when I heard about it

>>6638108
You could just brush your teeth properly.

>>6638166
An onion can't experience negative emotions or pain.
And meat doesn't have to be in our diet, it can be in our diet. We can digest it but it doesn't absolutely have to be consumed.

And the natural argument is just silly. Getting shrink wrapped meats, preserved lunch meats isn't natural either but you're going to do it anyway.

>>6638239

You're thinking of Jains, they also filter their water to keep from swallowing small bugs, wear a mask to keep from breathing them in, carry a broom to sweep the path in front of them so they don't step on insects, don't eat tubers or root vegetables (no garlic, onion, potato) because removing them disturbs the soil and because they have the potential for life, don't eat fermented foods because they contain living things, etc.

>>6638229
pasta confirmed

>>6638286
Actually it was called something different, but now that I know that about Jainism it's probably a direct ripoff, only p sure it's secular because yeah

I think it's stupid either way but

>>6638077
>genocide is bad
>liberal position

I'm pretty sure everyone who isn't a complete piece of shit thinks genocide is bad.

>>6638125
>It's pretty funny and something that I noticed when I was a little kid, all of the network news, so called news, all put the same stories on at the same times and go to commercials at the same time.

Haha, oh wow. As someone who's worked in broadcast, let me tell you why you're stupid. The reason all the stories go on "at the same time" is because they put the stories that are most recent or most important at the beginning of the show. For example, if there's some sort of huge disaster, that will be at the top of the program. If there's a big election, that will be the top story. The less important stories, like sports and human interest pieces, go at the end of the show. All news shows do this, because that's what viewers want: the most important news first.

The reason the commercials run at the same time is that the shows all have roughly the same amount of commercial time. They've figured that dividing the program up just so is the best way to keep viewers' attention while still getting maximum ad views. They'll do big news up front, then break, weather and some more news, break, and so on. This is not a practice unique to news, either. Many other shows also share similar formats. For example, children's shows are divided into 11-minute segments with a break in between.

None of this is a big conspiracy. None of this is indicative of any sort of bias. You're paranoid over absolutely nothing.

>>6638286
some jains wont even take antibiotics becuase they are living, i think there was a medical epidemic in recent history where many jains died becuase they refused antibiotics

>>6638312
In fact liberals are perfectly OK with white genocide

>>6638253
>An onion can't experience negative emotions or pain.

So? It's still a living thing. There are people who can't experience pain, either. Does that mean it's okay to kill and eat them? If we genetically modified cows to not feel pain or emotions, would it be fine to eat those?

There are just some nutrients you can't get properly from plant sources without using synthesized chemicals that your body doesn't absorb properly. Creatine is a good example.

Many areas of the world aren't suitable for growing plants.

If we tried to feed the world on only vegetables and fruits, we'd run into even worse fertilizer problems. Animals are great at turning grass/corn/shit into nutrients.

Animals are delicious.

Whole butter is healthier than margarine.

Vegans can be fat too, they eat tons of bread and drink beer.

Buying vegan shoes is a pain in the dick and costs a ton.

>>6637491
I don't understand how that diet brought it 100g+ of protein. what about grain and fats. isn't it better to have a diversified diet?

>>6637611

>Dont agree with factory farming, but were animals too.

What does that mean?

>>6638361
Search for Dr. Emoto’s Rice Experiment. If you yell at your cooked rice it'll spoil faster.

>>6638253
>An onion can't experience negative emotions or pain.

Yes they can but that isn't what this thread is about, mmkay?

>>6638381
Maybe that's demons playing a trick so people thing the world works differently thsn it does. Do you know all the best "illusionist" are just demon users?

>>6638361
If you were a real Alex Jones fag you'd be able to telepathically communicate with onions and other plants you fucking retard.

>>6638391
They're cat lovers, cats are demonic beings, just look into their eyes, you KNOW that they want to eat you if given the chance.

The best way to deal with cats is to shoot them with pellet guns.

>>6638166

>Veganism is unnatural. Humans are omnivorous animals. Meat is supposed to be in our diet.

Have to post this pic every time I see this argument. The word omnivore seems to confuse people. All it means is that you're able to get nutrients from either plant or animal sources of food. It doesn't mean you're perfectly suited to both types of food or that you need to consume both in order to be healthy. It's purely a matter of food availability and the benefit of being able to survive on nearly anything if need be. When survival isn't an issue, as in most 1st world countries, we can choose freely what foods we eat.

>The idea that killing animals is wrong is stupid. Why is it wrong to kill an animal, but just fine to kill a plant? Plants are living things too

Without a central nervous system or any form of sentience, most people would recognize that plants don't suffer nearly to the same degree that an animal (including humans) do. Picture a human in a coma. Their body still works, they can be kept alive in that state, but the aren't conscious. As far as we can tell, a plant is like a comatose person who's lived in a coma from birth til death. Surely it would be the better choice to eat something with no sentience than a sentient being that feels pain and fear.

>Vegans always end up inconveniencing other people around them with their special dietary requests.

Likewise. Government subsidizes using tax money to make meat and dairy products insanely cheap is a real bitch. I want cheaper fruit.

>>6638410
Holy shit that pic is stupid.

>Many people see human "fangs" as proof that we should naturally include vast amounts of animal matter for gathering nutrition.

No one thinks this. We have "fangs" (or canine teeth, as people with brains like to call them) to better help us process meat. Our bodies evolved to eat meat. It is natural for us to eat meat. Avoiding meat because of some ideology is unnatural.

The way this guy thinks that people equate tooth size with prey size is fucking moronic. Our canines are small, so the biggest animal we should eat is a rat? What the fuck is he talking about? There is no one on Earth who thinks like that.

>>6638473
Holy shit, can you even read? That's exactly what the guy's saying.

>>6638361
>>6638382
Stop comparing an onion to a fucking cow you fuckwits.
It's not as clever as you think it is.

An onion cannot think
An onion cannot feel pain
An onion cannot make moo noises

Just because it's a living organism it doesn't mean it resembles a breathing, blood flowing, moving animal in any possible way.
I know what you're going to say next, the exact same shit you just said before and before
>B-BUT WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE THE MORALS OF AN ONION

Please tell me this is a joke. I don't like arguing with people who think an onion and a cow are similar.

>>6638473

I don't think you finished reading that segment. That section of the article is basically saying that canines aren't a determinant of meat intake. Hell, herbivorous animals develop canines too, and human ancestors had canines before meat became a significant part of our diet. They're generally useful teeth to have for many reasons.

>. Our bodies evolved to eat meat. It is natural for us to eat meat. Avoiding meat because of some ideology is unnatural.

We definitely evolved to be able to eat meat, and you could say it's natural to do so in the sense that everything that happens in the natural world is natural, but the question is should we do it? Are we really suited to meat to the point where eating it on purpose when we have other food choices is still a good idea?

Research into diet tells us that at the very least, having a low consumption of meat is beneficial to health, while avoiding it completely seems even better. This may be because while we evolved to be able to obtain nutrients from meat, thus allowing us to survive to reproduce age in environments lacking adequate plant foods, we didn't evolve the way a wolf/dog did in a way that makes it an ideal food source for living a long, healthy life.

One example is that you can feed a dog any amount of saturated fat or cholesterol and not see the cholesterol levels in their blood rise. They evolved to be able to handle those burdens offered by meat consumption, in order to prevent heart disease. This isn't the case in humans, in which these things do raise our blood levels of cholesterol, with heart disease killing half of all men and women. In fact the editor of the American Journal of Cardiology considers humans herbivores mainly on that basis

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/

Veganism is a pretentious first world luxury that doesn't fix anything.

The mass produced meat industry is really disgusting in terms of animal treatment.

>>6638492
You realize they're trolls, right?

>>6638520
What good is a long healthy life without a bacon and egg cheese sandwich?

>>6638539

>egg cheese

what the FUCK IS THAT?

>>6638535
Good.
I'm glad.

>>6638542
My grammar sucks.

>>6637797
Some weirdo that eats like five pounds of lettuce a day.

>>6638555
My bad, somebody already posted a link to the video, and it's 10 pounds.

>>6638539
I know you're joking, but I really think most anti veganism arguments come down to "but it tastes good". You know what? I've been vegan for five years and I haven't touched a shred of soy or meat replacement products. I don't take supplements. I'm healthy as a fucking horse. In this day and age, with it becoming more popular, being vegan is so easy.

>>6638564
Sorry. On mobile, and this fucking keyboard app takes so long to type I lost my point. Anyway, there are so many delicious cuisines out there that really tend to have a lot of vegan by default dishes, and are really easy to cook yourself. Thai, Indian, Vietnamese, Chinese, etc. I find myself honestly never missing meat or dairy.

>>6638564
You're a faggot tho

Most anti-veganism arguments come down to you're a fucking retard and have no argument. Personal anecdotes are bullshit too, and since you're posting here, I doubt you're as apt as you say you are.

>>6638520

Or we evolved to eat insects, since they're plentiful, grow quickly, easy to hunt, high in protein and minerals, and exceptionally low in cholesterol and saturated fat.

>>6638564

>I know you're joking

No he's not. You fucking delusional vegan fags holyshit. Your entire post is basically "I don't believe you, and here's my fucking life story about my diet. Listen to how much better my lifestyle is than yours"

You fucking rabbits don't understand how obnoxious this is. This is just on the internet too, on an anonymous forum no less and I can already gauge how detestable you are. 5 years? have a fucking medal. Eating leaves is quite a feat you know, just like staying sober or not taking drugs... oh wait, it's actually not an accomplishment at all faggot.

>>6637371
Umm you do know we're not bound by law to grow soya bean. We're growing feed for animals in an area where we could be growing food for humans. It's a very inefficient way to obtain calories but it's a very efficient way to consume them.

>>6637303
This is how almost every discussion with a vegan goes.

>>6639023
>not being a level five vegan
>eating things which cast shadows
Deplorable.

>>6638048
you sound like a dumb person and cant stick to a balanced healthy diet, but instead have some need to choose ridiculous extremes. a vegan diet isn't healthy. an all meat diet isn't healthy. now fuck off with your shitty personal anecdotes.

>>6639050

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation

>>6638956
>We're growing feed for animals in an area where we could be growing food for humans

No, we aren't. You can't grow crops on any old land you find and there's no shortage of plant-based food in the first place.

>>6639058
>saying to eat healthy is a fallacy
>healthy has no meaning
you're a fucking idiot

>>6637552
*tips fedora*

obligatory

>>6637552
>ignore our position as apex predators

lol

Said the guy shitposting on 4chan in his underwear.

Oh, sorry, I suppose you went out this morning and brought an elk down with your claws and teeth and ate the meat raw.

Faggot.

Pros: personal moral issues someone might have
Cons: meat tastes good

for health reasons it doesn't really matter as long as you eat balanced

>>6637303
is her name sophia?

>>6637983
>and will most likely suffer from a lack of protein,
When will these meme die? If their diet is not properly regulated, there are countless deficiancies a vegan can suffer from. Protein is not one of those that they regularly lack.

>>6639191
>doesn't know being more intelligent than other species makes humans the apexiest of all predators
>doesn't know that apexiest is a word now cuz fuck you that's why

>>6637876
>How lowborn must one be to scream obscenities at others for any reason?

It's about the choices we make in life, and carnists choose to be angry all the time about whether someone wanted to hork down 15 kilos of pink slime every week, or be reasonable.

Pro: You get all the benefits of self-righteous bloviation without actually having to do anything beneficial for the world or your community. Also your contrived concern for Bessie masks the total lack of fucks you give about humanity.

Con: You're just another strange quasi-religious cultist.

>>6637315
>all white vegans eat quinoa all the time
I was a vegan for 5 years before I tried quinoa. It sucks, so I'm never eating it again. Blame hipsters

Pro: maximum troll potential, triggering people just by saying the word "vegan"
Con: makes your penis grow too big, can become a burden

>>6638396
goats eyes are trippy as fuck. Anything can be a pupil. i want some crazy like 4 dimensional pupil or something.

>>6638492
I didn't compare an onion to a cow faggot. Also I don't think you know enough to say what onions are capable and incapable or experiencing or not eperience. Shut the fuck up and stop talking about shit outside of your wisdom shitstain.

>>6639458
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantis_shrimp#Eyes

>>6638533
>Doesn't fix anything
The animals who were not killed to fill my stomach would disagree if they weren't such ungrateful cunts. that's okay though. I don't do what i do for recognition.

>>6638564
I'm not a vegan but I'll probably become one eventually. Meat replacements totally miss the point. Food is about taste and texture. That's isn't fake meat. It's seitan/soy, you dumbfuck.

>>6639548
are you so naive to think there are fewer animals being killed now that you've stopped eating meat? fucking lel vegans are so stupid

Pro: None
Con: You could eat better tasting food if not vegan

Veganism is essentially a new sort of religious thing where people deprive them selves of enjoyable things because of some deluded sense of guilt or duty

>>6639570
While your post is retarded, it made me think up this hypothesis sorta thing: developed and developing countries where veganism is a growing trend will also have amongst the lowest birthrates in the world.
Developed and developing countries where veganism is nearly unheard of will have amongst the highest birthrates in the world.
A cursory glance through a list of countries by birthrates seems to support my idea, but I'll have to look it through more.

This presents the following possible conclusion: no matter how many people in the so-called first world become vegan, there are going to be many, many more from Middle Eastern, Eastern European and South American countries to outnumber them, making their entire struggle an exercise in futility and vanity as well as wholly moot.
Never mind the fact that promoting veganism to people as blinded and religious as Middle Easterners tend to be would be literal blasphemy, contradicting the word of god (according to them).

>>6638076
lol fucking blown the fuck out

>>6639474
That's the shit I'm talkign about. I want infinity color cones and rods and shit. Infinite colors.

>>6639570
Every animal I don't eat is an animal not eaten by me. You are so retarded I wanna kill you. You can't even fucking into causation and correlation.

>>6639626
I made that comment.

The simple fact is vegans are either women or effeminate boys.

>>6639645
>Every animal I don't eat is an animal not eaten by me
and what exactly does that do for anyone or anything?

>>6637303
Arguing with someone online is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

>>6639655
Reduces demand.

>>6639192
what in the FUCK is that?

>>6639698
A low test beta.

>>6639679
that's like going off the grid to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. it impacts you but is entirely negligible to commercial production industries. you are not benefiting anyone or anything

>>6639701
So what? You think I imagine I'm Superman saving the world? I behave in a fashion that matches my moral outlook. A beggar asks for a dollar, I'll usually give it to him. I haven't ended poverty, I haven't even appreciably helped that particular person, but the gesture fits my personal sense of integrity.

>>6639715
the gesture fits your naivete

>>6639715
>i do things for vanity, not because i have a genuine interest in helping
~every vegan ever

>>6639715
So basically what you're saying is you're a bitch?

>>6639718
No.

>>6639720
No.

>>6639721
No.

>>6638304
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruitarianism

>>6639728
>literally acknowledges that he does it cuz it makes him feel good and not because it actually helps anything
>this is somehow not vain
You are stupid. :-(

>>6639718
Yes.
>>6639720
Yes.
>>6639721
Yes.