/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Not bad, but not to be compared to Robuchon or Ducasse or MPW...

>>6720392
Good at managing restaurants, not that great as a chef

le screaming meme man

>>6720394
Robuchon made this, wtf is it? It wasn't labeled.

>>6720416
It s a dessert... I suppose some sorbet under a sugarglas dome... But tbh I think there is no other possibility to know what it is then to go to Paris in the restaurant from.robuchon and eat it...

>>6720397
>not that great as a chef
Is that what you tell yourself as you cry into your instant ramen?

Jacque Pepin>Martin Yen>Jamie Olver>Anthony Bourdain>Gordon Memesey

He cooks like a mad cunt.

>>6720392
He's a fucking tosser that needs to get the hell out of my kitchen.

>>6720392
He's a great actor, I really enjoy his staged cooking shows

>>6720392

He is an above-average cook, a scam artist, fake, and has been disowned by pretty much everyone he ever learned from.

I give him a 4/10. He makes good 'you can make this' YouTube vids and really, that's about as useful as you can get.

James May beat him in a shepherds pie cooking competition, what does that tell you?

He does really drill into his audience that to be a good at cooking, you require diligence, passion, care, anger, brutal self-criticism, presence of mind and the fucking lamb sauce.

I CHEATED ON MY WIFE WITH THE FUCKING LAMB SAUCE.

>>6720530
>/ck/ anons passing judgement on a Michelin starred chef.
Fuck off back to your Joey thread you peasant.

His UK shows are much better. Aside from a few meme episodes the US Kitchen Nightmares got boring very quickly. The UK one is much more genuine. Tons of memorable characters and unexpected twists.

>>6720590

>Insinuating none of us know or cook with michelin star chefs

Nice projection.

First of all, I'm going to maintain a neutral point of view with this post. Second:


>It's all an act

Someone came into one of his restaurants in the late 90s and secretly filmed him. There was a big scandal and some television crew wanted to film him.

Gordon Ramsay let them in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_asNbdQa6U

You can see hidden footage in the beginning but you can also see that he's acted like this for a long time.

How you feel about his management style is a completely different matter. He is who he is. But it's a completely different matter to say that it's all an act. This is how he runs his restaurants and it's been known by everyone who works with him. He's very passionate about what he does, but he also has free reign to rage at his employees. It's just his thing.

>>6720444

Gordon Ramsay is literally exempt from criticism. Anytime you criticize him, you're responded with people accusing you of being insecure ramen-cookers. These same people probably aren't that good at cooking themselves. It's insane and it's hard to have a serious discussion about this guy, even though his skills and recipes are out in the open for people to judge.

>>6720466
nice meme list of meme cooks
all of them hacks
knowing nothing about the new ways of cooking.
Sad that they are dumbing us down with duh muthr sauxes and shit food. None of themn are new or progrewssive cooks. They are just wolfgang puck chef to the stars.
yawn
Give me christopher kimbal anyday. HE IS A REAL CHEF! Not these snotty bitches pretending to care.

say what you want about the Michelin system. But three stars? Shit's not easy to get

>>6720821

I agree, but I don't want to be like that guy over here: >>6720590 who thinks that it exempts him from criticism.

There are so many industries where a reputation doesn't exempt someone from criticism, but when it comes to cooking it suddenly turns objective.

he's for people who enjoy watching other people getting dominated and humiliated.... the cookery is incidental.

only betas watch his programmes... hence reddit worships him

>>6720392
He is a squinty eyed ballbag in a wig that literally sells boil in the bag meals at his restaurants, and he lied about being a professional footballer for glasgow rangers before he was a chef

Marco pierre-white used to make him cry daily and he never shouts at people bigger than him

He is also a sweaty sock jock cunt that pretends to be english
Fuck gordon ramsey

>>6720834

Wasn't some of his restaurants failing, too?

Marco Pierre-White is more respectable than Ramsay, I'd say.

>>6720737
>You can see hidden footage in the beginning but you can also see that he's acted like this for a long time.
looks like a persona he learned to play while playing football.

>>6720839

I think that's how he described it. His childhood sounded shitty and his mentors were loud and abrasive. Don't know why he's allowed himself to become that persona as well, though.

I'm all for passion and being strict, it's just over-the-top when you get to the point where you're insulting employees in the heat of the moment (but not allowing them to do it back) and you're essentially kicking them around. I've heard people say that this is how it's done at restaurants. then they go on to tell me they've never worked at a restaurant....

>>6720845

Yeah it's safe to say a lot of the people who defend him up and down are just really into his shows and aren't much in the position to criticize someone. When their responses consist of, "Well, let's see you do better" or "Well he's richer and more popular than you are" it's hard to take it seriously in the context of a discussion.

It's why I stay out of these things. Nobody wants to look at his recipes and tell me what's wrong and nobody wants to look at criticism and counter it so both sides tend to fall short when it comes to Gordon Ramsay.

He's fine.
He is certainly better than most of us wallowing here arguing and being condescending on the internet.

>>6720838
I heard they were, there was some shenanigans with his father in law too

And marco pierre white is ten times more respectable than him imo

>>6720825

I think the persona has a lot to do with it. He defo causes very extreme responses.

I'll say this, he does know about the business. The advice he provides in the UK Kitchen Nightmares is always bang on, if not repetitive:

Cook local
Don't over complicate
Customers first
Don't let your ego get in the way
Work clean

His recent business failings (Aus, NY) likely stem from his not following his own advice.

>>6720845
>his mentors were loud and abrasive.
Marco Pierre White, faggot.
You are a faggot. You are stupid.

>>6720851
MPW handing back his stars was a boss move

>>6720845

"If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen" is a VERY apt phrase to describe what goes in in there, but it's give and take; if you dish, you better be able to take, else you're a bitch and can go get a nice desk job.

Kitchens are why I have learned to have a thick skin, and why I look at hugbox shit with disgust. Ramsay does it wrong; not letting his employees come back at him makes him a pussy of the highest order afraid to get served his own medicine. He'd have to work in his own kitchens else be chased out because he's probably got no wit about him any more to answer call-outs and criticisms since he stifles them in his restaurants.

>>6720853

Are you saying he's abrasive or he's not? He's had many mentors in his life besides just Marco.

>faggot
>You are a faggot
>You are stupid

I'm not expecting much of a response out of you.

>>6720847
Maybe no one wants to discuss because you aren't giving us any solid evidence why his cooking sucks. You just seem to be hating on people who think Gordon is okay and don't have any criticism to offer.

Just state why you think he sucks and we can work from there. You either have real answers or you dont, and others may have real responses to your answers (or not).

>>6720852
Oh..... gawwwwdd..........
Thank you for telling me how to do it!
OMG i'm so thankful that some faggot who watches television shows can tell me how ter der itttttt...
Thank you so much for your work in this area. All chefs must thank you.
I'll lead them to your post.

>>6720859

I'm providing a neutral point of view and criticizing both sides in these threads. Look at the chain of responses and it's mostly about his personality, for starters.

How about YOU start rather than demanding others to do it?

>>6720860

>The advice he provides in the UK Kitchen Nightmares

He's literally describing his television show and his methods. Good fucking lord, how petty are you for you to take that and then make this assumption that he's passing it off as his own advice?

>>6720860

Ok - i'm getting a note of disagreement here.

I'm sensitive like that.

So he's wrong? Is the opposite the way to go? Good luck m8

>>6720868

No. He's just an idiot who can't read.

He saw your post describing what Gordon Ramsay does on his show, and then took it as "this guy is telling me how to run a restaurant just because he watched Gordon Ramsay".

He took a post as simple as yours and came to such a conclusion. That's a mental illness, right there.

>>6720861
I thought we were discussing his skills and successes, not his personality?

>trained under Marco Pierre White and Joël Robuchon,two of the greatest Chefs of all time
>Head chef of a three Michelin Star Restaurant right after finishing his training
>Get's offered a Position at ANOTHER Restaurant as a Head chef,under his management it goes on to earn it's first Michelin Star a year later
>Opens his own Restaurant another year later,manages to get 3 Michelin Stars in a couple of years


Yeah,clearly this man is a talentless hack and just gets by because of his personality

>>6720879
We're discussing Gordon Ramsay.

Let's see here. I'm responding to people discussing his personality and then you come to me and ask me to criticize his skills rather than do it himself.

Would you rather me not respond to those posts at all, even though I wanted to and they were relevant to this thread?

Just do something already. I don't know what you want of me. Fuck.

>>6720883
You come across as being an expert on why Ramday sucks, so I am wondering what experts like you think he is doing wrong in terms of his skills as a chef. Because I honestly don't see much wrong with him apart from his being a big meanie sometimes.

I have to say,after watching his Ultimate Guide to Home Cooking I like him a lot more,he seems like a really passionate man

also
>tfw no loving family of 5 to cook with
His daughters are so fucking cute,I'm jealous of his personal life

>>6720737
You haven't made a single argument against his cooking skills

>>6720891
Because there are none to be made,he may be a cunt,but he's a brilliant chef

>>6720889
>You come across as being an expert on why Ramday sucks, so I am wondering what experts like you think he is doing wrong in terms of his skills as a chef.

It's great that you think I'm an expert for merely expressing my opinion on Gordon Ramsay.

>>6720856 makes a good point about him personality-wise. Go after him. I agree with him. I didn't know I was coming across as a know-it-all by stating my opinion.

For fuck's sake. This is why I said I stayed out of these threads. Can't criticize him, can't like him, can't even be neutral and criticize those criticizing and liking him.

>>6720890
Yes I really love that show.

Imagine if you work hard to cook nice food for your hypothetical kids, and they dont give a shit about it. They just gulp it down in an annoyed way, and rush back to their computers to continue interneting asap.

>>6720891

Make one, then. Not everyone is obligated to criticize this guy if they don't want to.

>>6720895
Chill out no one cares about you, no one knows which posts are yours, and no one takes this shit seriously. We have no names here.

>>6720896
>tfw no cute daughter to spend time in the kitchen with
https://youtu.be/gxsiZKIiOHY?t=1001

Being infertile is worse than death

>>6720898
If no one makes one, then none of us here are at or above his level of skill as a chef, and have no right to criticize him if we cannot provide evidence that he is doing something wrong.

If someone steps up and decides to put forth a logical and informative argument, then great! Otherwise anyone who is criticizing Ramsay's skills as a chef is worthless.

>>6720904

Not him but is there something wrong with criticizing his personality? i see them as valid critique

i'm sure most people would appreciate him more if it wasnt for that and if he didn't become a reality tv star.

>>6720902
I feel differently. I wish I was infertile and I wish my husband did not want children. Don't have the maternal instincts yet I guess.

I can definitely see the charm in having children, but I cannot help but constantly think of the worst case scenario. Il get ugly, arguments with husband about how to raise the children, husband not loving me anymore, having bad relationships with the children, the children turning out to be little ungrateful shits, the fear of my life spiraling out of control and leaving me in a pit of depression with no way out. Bla bla bla.

>>6720910
Nothing wrong with criticizing his personality, and I honestly don't give a shit. Im more interested in hearing discussion about the food and skill aspects since people seem so keen on criticizing him.

>>6720910
Samefag detected. Sockpuppeting is bad for your self esteem.

>>6720911

Just take care of yourself while you're pregnant and afterwards. Take care of your skin and care for it to prevent stretch marks.

I think an open relationship with kids helps a lot, at least in my family it sure helped. Grandparents did a good job because I see those parenting skills passed on nicely.

i like his youtube channel, nice variety of recipes.
what i dont like is that a lot of recipes he presents are not authentic without him mentioning it that he put his own twist on it.

>>6720904
I see your point, not sure the purpose of these threads when they dont get very far anyways

>>6720914
....whatever you want to believe

>>6720917

I've noticed that but I don't really mind his own twists on things. Too many people do classic and simple recipes and I think he wants to show how he does things instead of just being some basic cooking teacher.

Learned so much neat shit from him. Just his twist on scrambled eggs got him a lot of rave from new cooks.