/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Please understand, when I say this, I am not vegan, or vegetarian. I think it can be unhealthy if not done right and that there is little point in going vegan at this point of human population:

Kill yourself, you are the worst kind of person in the world.

b8

You dont respect your girlfriend or her wishes she will dump you when she finds out m8

7/10
Quite good.

stale pasta

>>6847344
Why because I want her to get used to good food again? I'm doing her a favor!

>>6847376
Okay, let's pretend you are not trolling and are actually a sociopath.

Because she has made a lifestyle choice, likely based on her beliefs and moral views that you are forcing her to abandon by trickery.

Look, psycho, if you have to keep something a secret from someone in order to make them do what you want that is a bad thing. I understand your mother did not teach you about this, but surely your government mandated shrink has told you something to this effect.

>>6847395
I'm neither trolling nor a sociopath. I'm honestly doing what I think is best for her in the end. I think a fully balanced diet is ultimately the best one.

Also she's not a moral vegan, she just thinks meat is gross. I got her to try a bit of bacon once and she said it was gross, which is why I went with that in the chili, and I was right cause she loved it. I figure if I can get her used to foods that have meat in them and enjoy them, then she'll be cool when I tell her.

>>6847335
Well when she dumps you, she'll just be a vegan again anyways, so your time is wasted.

>>6847415
How about you stop treating a grown woman like a child and stop doing 'what is best for her'?

>>6847344
The only thing you really have to do when going vegan is supplement B12, or take a multi vitamin with a decent B12 amount in it.

>there is little point in going vegan at this point of human population
Any time is a good time.

>>6847415
>I'm honestly doing what I think is best for her in the end.
I don't believe this is true. I think you're being a dick. But even suspending judgment for a second on that, you say:
>I think a fully balanced diet is ultimately the best one.
You're going to let your beliefs go directly against the stated desires of your gf because she's "not so smart" but "super hot"? You know better than Ditzy, so you can go against her will behind her back.

That's unbelievably patronizing and arrogant. And if that's the case I'd say it's even worse than just being a dick and feeding your vegan gf meat on the sly because you're annoyed by her diet choices.

>>6847415
>I think a fully balanced diet is ultimately the best one.

What do you mean by fully balanced diet?

>>6847476
He doesn't know shit. Everyone becomes a nutritionist when they find out someone is vegan.

How are you cooking bacon without her noticing?

>>6847335
I'd beat the fuck out of you if I were her

THIS IS PASTA YOU FUCKING RETARDS

messing with a person's food is the lowest of the low.

OP is right to do this

>>6847335
Im with you OP, next time drop some semen in her "vegan soup" because it have a lot of nutrients, is the best for her.

>>6847638
Is this English

this is pasta but it triggers me intensely
8/10

>>6847460

>>6847649
XDDDD

>>6847651
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting

>>6847656
wat

>>6847660
Lurk moar

>>6847664
What?

OP you glorious bastard.

>>6847675
>replying to pasta
Hello newfriend

>>6847476
Are you serious? I mean a good mix of vegetables and meat fundamentally. I don't think you can be fully healthy eating only one or the other. I don't want to turn her into a flat out carnivore, just learn to appreciate the taste of meat so she can start adding a little to her diet.

>>6847592
Didn't describe it too well in the OP, but I took some tomatoes, sweet pepper, cliantro, oregano and jalepeneos and blended it all in the blender to make the base for the chili. Except I also threw 4 strips of bacon in there as well. She could smell when it was cooking that it was delicious, just not that it was bacon.

Which is really the thing, I think her refusal to eat meat isn't based on anything other than a kneekerl reaction that she thinks it's gross. But clearly when she actually had it, she enjoyed it.

Anyways, I've now decided to make meatloaf. She's already had one that I made just with TVP in place of beef and really liked it (it is surprisingly good) but this time I'm going to use 3/4 TVP "veggie ground" and 1/4 ground turkey. Everything else will be about the same as last time, so I'm looking forward to her reaction.

>>6847680
I did get the idea of this from /ck originally, but it's certainly not pasta. Go look as far back in the archives as you want.

>>6847680
Your memory must be fizzled up because this is most certainly not pasta.

>>6847415
>then she'll be cool when I tell her.
Even if she did learn to love meat as a result of this, you do know she's still going to be pissed off about being tricked in this manner right? C'mon, you can't be this much of a sociopath to not realize that this will happen right? No one likes being tricked into doing something against their will.

>>6847688
>I did get the idea of this from /ck originally,
nope

>>6847335
This is one of the many reasons I would never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever date a meat eater. The girl brought it on herself really but hopefully she slits OPs throat when she finds out at least.

>tricking someone into eating food they are morally or whatever against , in an attempt to make them more like you.

Yes, OP, this will surely go well. Why not secretly cook her pets and feed them to her as well?

People in this thread don't seem to understand that OP is trying to help her recover from a disease that's running rampant in modern society. Picky eating.

>>6847766
>vegans actually believe that if they're tricked into eating, they have the right to kill a human being.
This really shows the difference in mental stability between regular people and vegans.

>>6847784
>non-vegans actually believe that they have the right to kill and torture innocent beings for literally no reason at all
Don't talk to me.

>>6847719
They were calling it pasta for a reason, pointdexter...

If she just doesn't like the taste of it then there's no reason to keep it a secret. Just tell her, "I'll cook you something with a little meat in, bet you won't taste the meat and it'll be delicious".

>>6847776
>Picky eating
Says the morbidly obese whale.

>>6847717
Ehhh... if she's so mad that she's that pissed or breaks up with me then she's obviously not the right girl for me anyways. It's only been like five months.

>>6847789
Not him but plants have feelings too. Read pic related, it's pretty mind blowing. Point is, unless you try to live entirely on minerals somehow you cannot avoid causing suffering. It's an intrinsic part of life. You may say you regard a chicken as fundamentally different from a broccoli, but I really don't. They both suffer when we eat them.

Not only that, the very process of farming is inherently harmful to the earth. Our whole civilized existence is. You can try to minimize it, but no matter what you eat, things suffer for it. You can say a head of factory farmed broccoli is a more ethical food choice than one of the chickens I had had running around my yard eating bugs and scraps until two days ago if you want. But I'll have to respectfully disagree.

I know its bait but I did date a vegan for a few months, whenever I did want to make a really nice meal I did sneak in so animal fat. Not because I didn't respect her choices but because I wanted to eat well and not have to make a subpar dinner for both of us.

>>6847824
Of course I forget to attach pic and go for a walk.

For the record though, OP is an asshole.

>>6847866
>Not because I didn't respect her choices

But you DIDN'T respect her choices. I mean, vegans are retards and it's okay to fuck with them, but why pretend you respected her choices?

>>6847809
>>6847809
>Not the right girl for me
>Feeds her something she does not want to be fed

Sounds like you aren't the right guy for her, OP. If someone I dated did not care about my preferences or life choices, and actively lied to me and fed me something I didn't eat, I'd not only break up with them, I'd think they were a psychopath.

>>6847866
>>6847335
>>6847809
>Not the right girl for me
>Feeds her something she does not want to be fed

Sounds like you aren't the right guy for her, OP. If someone I dated did not care about my preferences or life choices, and actively lied to me and fed me something I didn't eat, I'd not only break up with them, I'd think they were a psychopath.

>>6847789
Posts on a Islandic Runecarving forum
>Don't talk to me

>>6847866
>>6847335 (OP)
>>6847809
>Not the right girl for me
>Feeds her something she does not want to be fed

Sounds like you aren't the right guy for her, OP. If someone I dated did not care about my preferences or life choices, and actively lied to me and fed me something I didn't eat, I'd not only break up with them, I'd think they were a psychopath.

OP here. Turns out she didn't care for the "veggie" meatloaf. Said it was good but felt a little heavy and tasted odd. I told her I put an extra egg in cause it was left over.

I think the 1/4 turkey was certainly too much though, going to dial it back again next time I do this, but not sure on what yet.

>>6848424
Like I said, she's pretty cool and not doing this for any moral reasons so we'll just see how it goes. I'm hoping to do it a while though before I say anything so she gets used to it.

>>6848473
>I told her I put an extra egg
that's not vegan.
You're a liar, and you should kill yourself.

>>6848473
>I told her I put an extra egg in
You told her it wasn't vegan.

>>6848473
You know, you're a real piece of shit.
I mean, Vegans are retarded, but it's their decision to be retarded

Dude you're such an asshole. If you ever tell her I'm pretty sure she'll dump your dumb ass. I know I would.

P.s. I laughed my ass off, nice work,

>>6847595
>I'd beat the fuck out of you if I were her
Found the guy who has been watching too many movies that pass the "bechdel test"

OP if this is true, I say go at it.
I had a vegetarian girlfriend once who had a normal daughter and she used to do the opposite to the kid: feed her tacos with fake meat style filling and see if she could fool her, that sort of thing.

>>6848478
>>6848488
I just call her a vegan cause that's what she calls herself, cause she won't eat any meat or cheese or anything. But she's fine with eggs or milk cooked in stuff, like eggbread is her favorite bread. I suppose that's not really "vegan" but who cares?

>>6847415
This is what commie socialists believe. Legislate their own insane outlooks, and the rest of the population will come to agree.

It doesn't work that way.

>>6847335
but OP.. she got her proteins already from elsewhere...

>>6849968
>I suppose that's not really "vegan" but who cares?
You've been found out as a shitposting fraud. You have no girlfriend, and you don't even know what vegan means.
Try harder next time, and if you use pasta, do some research you immense faggot.

>>6850053
There's more than just protiens in meat, dude.

>>6850474
I'm not really interested in whether people believe me or not, sorry. I'm just doing this for ideas and cause I know a few other /ckers have tried stuff like this.

>>6850639
you don´t understand the joke.. don´t you?

>>6850639
>I'm feeding my non-vegan gf, non-vegan foods xDDDD omg!!!!!!!!

>>6850650
... apparently not... Sorry?

>>6850654
Autism, ladies and gentlemen.

>>6850654
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vegans+got+their+proteins+from+elsewhere

I do the same thing when people think Chinese eating cats and dogs is gross. Stupid fucking white people don't even know about why my food is so good!

Honestly, eating cows and getting upset about eating dogs is so illogical. They both taste good, just give it a try and stop being a hypocrite.

>>6849968

> She's fine with eggs or milk cooked in stuff

Either you're shitposting or your girlfriend is an idiot who confuses veganism with lacto-ovo vegetarianism.

>>6847335
You should get a butter bell, OP.

>>6847344
Even the vegan a friend was dating said how it can be dangerously unhealthy if you don't plan right and know what 6ou are doing.

Then again he is open to 'cheating' by trying fish and meats on occasion and when it is high quality examples. So he isn't militant about it.

Then again I should cut back on meat myself, especially Wed and Friday and during lent

>>6851097
whoops
I meant vegitarian, not vegan.
And even then he is not militant, just aims to avoid meat and fish regularly in his diet.

>>6847824
>>6847969

Except it's not true and is pop culture pseudoscience that tries to liken the human neuro ystem to chemical signaling in plants.

Protip: Fruit literally exists so animals will eat it and spread the seeds.

>>6851097

Veganism can only be dangerously unhealthy if you don't supplement B12 and eat a very restricted diet.

B12 is produced by bacteria in soil, but most people get it from animals that either eat it due to grazing or are given supplements by farmers (as is the case with industrial farming). It's an essential nutrient and the most common problem for vegans, which is stupid because you can get B12 supplements for literally 4 cents per day.

There are some more subtle concerns with a vegan diet in terms of optimum health - namely that vegans tend to have a worse omega 3/6 ratio and lack DHA/EPA. The 3/6 ratio is fixed easily enough - just make sure to cook with canola oil or camelina oil, and eat some flax seeds. DHA/EPA are produced by algae, but most people get it from fish that eat the algae (or in the case of farmed fish, the farmed fish are fed fish oil from wild fish that ate algae). You can buy algal DHA/EPA but it's expensive.

Protein is actually relatively easy to figure out. There are two measures of protein density: protein percent by weight and protein percent by calorie. Plant foods tend to dominate by calorie and meat by weight. For example, mushrooms are 56% protein by calorie but only 3.6% protein by weight - you'd need to eat over 8lb to get a days worth of protein.

If you multiply those two figures together (56% * 3.6% = 2% for mushrooms) you can get a more useful score to work with. Doing this, however, yields some interesting results: mushrooms are a better source of protein than hot dogs (which are 10% protein by weight but under 14% by calorie); whole wheat bread is typically more efficient than ground beef, etc.

>>6847600

NO ITS CHILI YOU AUTIST

ps nice dubs

>decided to go the stealth rout, getting her to love my cooking and then eventually tell her she's been eating meat this whole time.
What could possibly go wrong

>>6847415
Take her out for sushi homie. Let her get veggie things like miso soup. Ask her how she feels about eating fermented foods like yogurt. Question whether shellfish is vegan due to the lack of a central nervous system and thus consciousness. Convincing her with logic so long as you aren't mad autismal or hamfisted will work fine. But people don't like having their beliefs challenged. Much less do they like having them entirely ignored. If you trick her on purpose and make it a grand reveal, you're probably going to upset her a great deal, and rightfully so from her perspective. It's like if someone was taking from your bank account to donate to a charity on your behalf. Maybe you could be convinced to donate to it if they made a strong case for why you should do it. But if they trick/force you into it, you'd be pissed to learn that a chunk of your savings has been going to breast cancer research.

I'm pretty sure you're joking about this. But I'm okay with a different brand of "trickery" personally. If you allow her to eat non-vegan things while knowing that they contain animal products, you haven't really committed a foul. So go to a Japanese restaurant and get some nice miso soup, tempura, etc, and the stuff will have fish flakes in it. If you get her all about miso soup and then "find out" that it's got fish flakes in it, it will affect her perspective, hopefully. If she is real into the vegan thing though, asking about everything on the menu and flipping out if she accidentally eats meat, I'd say you may just want to give uo the cause

>>6847335
>I want to get her back into eating meat
Is this a metaphor?

>>6851393
Which is why I didn't mention fruits at all. That's different from ripping a head of broccoli out of ground and cutting it up.

>>6850781
>>6850781
The Chinese really are kind of weird though in doing that. Cats and dogs both have better uses, as vermin hunters and watch dogs. By the time their usefulness is up, the meat is old and old meat is fucking gross. Maybe in China they're more used to eating nasty meat, but in the rest of the world it's not really worth it.

Also, they're carnivores so raising them specifically for food is pretty pointless.

>>6852599
>Convincing her with logic so long as you aren't mad autismal or hamfisted will work fine.

That's clearly impossible with OP.

>>6852599
That's the thing, she's not vegan (or octo-lovowhatever) out of any sort of moral thing, it's just that she finds that stuff gross. So she'll eat an egg if it's part of eggbread, but not on it's own. She's fine with a bit of milk as an ingredient but will never eat cheese or anything "cheezy" cause it's gross. She's not a typical animal lover veggie type.

Which is why I'm doing it this way, I think if she gets used to a bunch of foods she likes and then realizes there was some meat in them she'll be fine with it. And like I said if she's not, that's cool. I really like this girl, but ultimately I'm not interested in staying with her long term if I have to switch to a mostly vegan diet or cook two meals all the time. If this works it could be great, if not then whatever.

I would love to share sushi with her, but that's lightyears away at this point.

Honestly I can't blame OP

if someone you care about becomes something like anorexic, bulimic, vegan etc. wouldn't you try and stop it against their will?

It's a delusion that will have serious health problems

>>6853178
>nobody else eats carnivores

Holy shit you are stupid.

http://www.cajungrocer.com/fresh-foods-alligator-c-1_15_16.html

>>6854043
Granted, gator is a special meat. In general though, the economics of raising pure carnivores as a food source doesn't pay off as well as grazing animals or chickens etc.

>>6847335
LOL OP.

So I once also made chili for a friend. Not a vegan, but a muslim friend. I used a bit of pork sausage mixed in with the hamburger. It's something I do for all my chili and it comes to a nice product. Anyways he didn't know. Just me and Allah I guess...

>>6854631
>things that never happened

>>6854633
Hahah. Oh it happened. I make a pot of chili, and use like 1 part pork for 3 parts beef, fry it up nice and good mainly for the flavor boost and the extra brown bits that stick to the bottom of the pot so when I remove the meat and put in the chili/spice puree for a little fry, there's that extra something. Anyways, my chili takes a while to cook and by the time I'm done with it, you can't tell the ground beef/pork mixture isn't just beef. No way in hell you can. And he didn't know.

I didn't do it with intent to harm him, but after the fact, it kind of made me smile.

Also I feel like the "things that never happened" bit has become played out already. It's not even like this is hard to believe,

>>6854671
tl;dr tbh

>>6853455

lol, all blood foods (flesh) is acidic. Acidity of the blood creates a living place for cancer, virus, and sickness to thrive on. Dr Sebi cured aids by giving the correct compounds for body needs using alkaline foods (no meat, no starch, no hybrid plants or GMOs). It's you and many others who lack perspectives that will continue to have serious health problems with ur acidity diet. Keep in mind that I only present this to u in a physical manner. You're not even close ready for a metaphysical perspectives dealing with how foods affect the DNA.

>>6854680
I lol'd

>>6854680
You do realize that's been completely debunked... right?

>>6854680
false

I despise vegans, but that's still a pretty scummy thing to do OP. I would understand if she did something to you, but she's your gf ffs

>>6847669
>>6847664
Lurk more.

>>6847460
>Stop treating women like children.
Well then they'll have to stop acting like children first now won't they ?

>>6847335
>I want to get her back into eating meat and have decided to go the stealth rout(e)
>then eventually tell her she's been eating meat this whole time.

Yeah that plan can't end with her getting pissed off with you and at best leaving you at worst beating the shit out of you.

vegans not even once

>>6847595
A vegan couldn't beat a pillow with his atrophied limbs.

>>6856828
what?

>>6857306
>Implying you're not a vegan faggot too weak to beat his own meat to save his life.
>>6857335

>>6857397
lurk more

OP, if this is in fact not a troll, please make a thread when she dumps you. Because that's going to happen. Forget the scenario and just think about the basic fact that it would mean you've been lying to her for literally the whole relationship. But this is probably not real.

>>6855650
Only by dodgy Big Pharma research.

>>6847335
how bout you alpha the fuck up and beat some sense into that defective babymaker of yours

>>6858162
wat

>>6847335
this has to be a troll, but it's not so farfetched that someone wouldn't actually do this kind of shit. i hate humans tbh.

>>6858247
lrk mor

>>34095089
Impact whey >>6856836
Ayyy lmao

>>6857306
I'm obviously not worried about her attacking me. At the worst she may break up with me, which as I said earlier I'd be fine with. I like this girl, and potentially this could be a long term thing. But I'm not willing to put up with how picky she is about food forever. If this wakes her up and gets her over the hump of thinking meat is gross then great. If she breaks up with me over it, then she's not someone I'd want to keep dating anyways.