/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>8958340
>implying most of /ck/ isn't living in their parent's basement

I use disposables.

I'm rich enough to buy a 1-drawer dishwasher.
It's way faster in a machine, are you crazy?

It's not faster considering it takes a couple seconds to put something in the dishwasher and less than 30 seconds to start it.

>>8958340
>Face it, you're living alone, it's cleaner
It's objectively not if your dishwasher has a sanitizer option that heats the incoming water up to 150°F/65°C which kills 99% of bacteria. Most adults will suffer third-degree burns if exposed to 150 degree water for two seconds. Burns will also occur with a six-second exposure to 140 degree water or with a thirty second exposure to 130 degree water. Even if the temperature is 120 degrees, a five minute exposure could result in third-degree burns.
http://accuratebuilding.com/services/legal/charts/hot_water_burn_scalding_graph.html
http://www.menshealth.com/best-life/dishwasher-settings

It acts like the boiling process used in canning/jarring.

Gotta be honest, if you wear a uniform to work then it's probably better to hand-wash those too.

Delicate wash by hand with a pre-soak in deodorizing solution gives the best results; run them through a spin and drain cycle in the washer and then hang them up to dry by air and you'll look like a seriously professional dapper motherfucker at work.

Because I use paper plates and I don't clean my cutlery at all. The dried food on it improves the flavor.

>>8958395
This. The dishwasher also uses way less water and therefore less energy to heat the water up.

Its better for your skin too. The more "skin friendly" your dishwashing detergent is, the less effective it is at actually cleaning your dishes.

And disposable dishes are truly nigger-tier shit. Kinda expensive in the long run too.

>>8958413
>The dried food on it improves the flavor.
This. Why doesn't my mom think I'm telling the truth?

>>8958357
>having a machine throw soapy water at dishes is faster and more efficient than scrubbing the grime off directly

>>8958395
Soap is plenty enough to wash bacteria off plates just like it does hands. Also your plates will stay clean as they're dry.

>>8958441
>dishwashers use less water
This is only true if you hand wash like a retard. Seriously, how is spraying water at your dishes for 40 minutes supposed to "save water"?

>>8958392
It also take a couple seconds to wash a dish, also you don't have to wait 20 minutes for the cycle to finish.

>>8958395
>the antibacterial meme
It's your own home for heaven's sake, if there really was so much bacteria, then you'd be sick all the time.

I built a house, wanted more cabinet space than anything else, "OH SHIT WHERE DOES THE DISH WASHER GO?!". I never put one in. Hot water, soap and scrub brush totally kills all our germs. Fuck anyone that isnt in the family circle.

>>8958395
shut up nerd lmao

Have fun cleaning this without a dishwasher

>>8958553
Run the grate under the faucet then switch it around. Get it together, Tyrone.

I've never understood how people soak their dishes in a soap filled container, like literally all their dishes and then wash it with that same liquid, no sponge, no nothing.

I was disgusted back in my food tech class years ago that these uncivilized people ate from these very same dishes.

It's not cleaner. Dish washers kill significantly more bacteria than hand washing. That's not necessarily a good thing though. Regular exposure to a bacteria is what keeps our immune system strong. Excessive use of hand sanitizer is also bad for this reason.

Only thing I hate about my dishwasher is she nags too much.

even though i have a $1600 dishwasher i still prefer to handwash my dishes after working in a kitchen out of habit and speed

>>8958591
>Excessive use of hand sanitizer is also bad for this reason.

Especially when you have small cuts on your hands. If you don't know you have any small cuts on your hands, sanitizer is a good way to find out.

>>8958724
Kekd

People survived hundreds of years without soap, let alone washing dishes with it. I don't think I need a dishwasher to sanitize my dishes. The luxury is nice, but but a necessity.

Anyway, more exposure builds immunity.

>>8958783
>People survived hundreds of years without soap

Try 200,000 years unless you're one of the retards that believe the earth is 6000 years old and man walked with dinosaurs.

>>8958783
it's not about killing bacteria in the end, it's about what's more efficient. using a dishwasher is more efficient that's just the way it is anon.

>>8958441
>the less effective it is at actually cleaning your dishes.

Are you trying to sterilise your dishes after each meal or is it enough to just remove any grease and food crumbs/residue so making them suitable for eating again?

People are so germophobic nowadays it's ridiculous.

People got on fine before dishwashers were invented.

>>8958340
Because I have a dish washer.

>>8958565

Soaking it in basin of soapy hot water is fine to loosen food substances and grease but really, a scourer to go over dishes and then rinsing them in running water is what should be done in conjunction with it.

>>8958798
>it's about what's more efficient. using a dishwasher is more efficient that's just the way it is anon.

Except it's more costly and energy and water intensive.

>>8958340
I hand wash my knives and my pans. Everything else hits the dishwasher.

Fight me.

>>8958340
The house I'm renting has a dishwasher so I use it, previously I hand washed everything and it wasnt much of a hassle but it's there and it's convenient so why not. Also sometimes I have friends over for dinner, I no longer have to have people wash dishes like I did in college

>>8958917
This. But I also handwash the cooking utensils like spatulas, ladles, whisks, wood spoons, etc. because we're only 2 people and it takes a couple days to fill up the dishwasher.

>>8958340
We store stuff in our dishwasher lol I'm 24 and I've never used one. I prefer a nice spotless dish washed by hand

Sadly im a fucking retard with massive oak as countertop in my kitchen so i use the dishwasher just to keep it from getting excessively wet.

>>8958340
I still do

I handwash first and after that throw everything in the dishwasher for double the clean. I need a new dishwasher though, mine works poorly.

>>8958441
I though this to at first but studys show that you have a stronger immune system by washing by hand vs using a dishwasher

>>8958908
You know, its actually the removed grease which is bad. Detergent removes fat and oil not only from your dishes but also from your skin. Ever heard of dry skin?.
Excessive hand washing is bad for your skin, and washing dishes by hand does the same. You soak your hands in soapy water for a long time, leaching out all the natural oils and fats in your skin.

>>8958340
I have a dishwasher but I've never used it in the 4 years I've lived in this apartment. I enjoy washing my dishes by hand. It's fun.

>>8958441
You know we have these things called rubber gloves

>>8958340
I do.
I don't like dishwashers and I don't know why.

>>8958520
Leaving shit on your plate will cause some pretty gnarly stuff to grow, which will then go into you the next time you put something off the plate and into your mouth.

>>8959350
>Pour liquid soap on sponge
>Squeeze a few times to distribute soap and bubbles throughout sponge
>Rinse plate with hot water
>Pass sponge over surface of plate
>Rinse again

At what point am I dunking my hands into soapy water in this process?

I'm clumsy. I break more dishes when I hand-wash than when I don't.

>>8958340
It's far less efficient than machine washing. I wish I could fit one in my kitchen, but the position of the sink makes it impossible to install a drain line for a dish washer.

>>8958908
Raw meat can contaminate other dishes. I'd rather not mix chicken juices on my coffee cups without spraying off the bacteria.

>>8958553
Using the mist/spray option on your faucet works well.

>>8958353
Fuck you.

because I'm scared of the little bits of wet food that float in the sink

>>8958914
No, it isn't. By a long shot.

https://www.treehugger.com/kitchen-design/built-in-dishwashers-vs-hand-washing-which-is-greener.html

https://dailyhealthpost.com/let-your-dishwasher-do-its-job-why-washing-your-dishes-by-hand-is-less-clean-and-efficient-than-you-think-11063/

https://www.rodalesorganiclife.com/wellbeing/washing-dishes-dishwasher-vs-hand-washing

>>8959596
Post a picture of your sink.

Honestly dishwashers are for convenience and are considered a high luxury in my area, so I never had one. I wash dishes all the time and I find it kind of relaxing.

No one in this thread mentioned using heavy duty rubber gloves for dishes and I'm not surprised. Wearing gloves for washing and cleaning the house improved my life. Those bits of food and grime you're afraid of getting on you? No problem. High heat? The thickness of the glove stunts it a little so it's only warm. It even lets you use strong as fuck detergent without your skin drying out and defatting after the wash.

>>8958340
I have to handwash because my dishwasher sucks. Hand washing is not so bad but sometimes I get lazy and have like a sink full to do up. I also toss them in the dishwasher to dry instead of drying them with a rag or sitting them on a towel or something. I'd say if I washed a days worth of dishes by hand it might take me 2-3 minutes. A few days worth maybe 10 minutes. Not including soaking some first. I also have a disposal which makes getting rid of leftover food more convenient. But yeah, fuck dishwashers.

I live alone and it takes me about a week to fill up my dishwasher. The problem i get is ants, even if I keep the dishwasher closed tight the ants still find a way in there. I'm not sure where all the ants end up when I run a cycle, I've checked the filter thing in the bottom of the dishwasher but there's no sign of any ants. I guess they get dissolved by the dishwasher chemical tablet and the hot water and go down the drain.

>>8958340

'Cause that's what the magic cleaning box is for.

Better question, OP:

Why don't you mind your own god damn business?

>>8958340
This is like saying manual toothbrush is cleaner and better than electric
you retard

>>8958340
I never use the dishwasher because things come out of it with a soapy residue left on them

Which means I then have to wash it again, so it's less effort to just wash it straight away

Does anyone else get this? Not only our current dishwasher, but the last one did it too

Also dishwashers can bake things onto the plate (yes you should rinse plates first before putting them in to prevent this, but AGAIN, I have to rinse things so thoroughly to prevent this, that I may as well just wash the damn thing up)

>>8962755
You're doing something wrong then. No it definitely should not come with a soapy residue. Look at what tablets you're using though, they matter. It's not a bad idea to pick a good eco-friendly one as well.

>>8958395
>65°C which kills 99% of bacteria
Sorry, buddy. The commercials lied to you.

>>8962744
>putting a vibrator in your mouth cleans your tooth better

Please.

>tfw i have to wash by hand because no dishwasher in my shit apartment

I hate it so much. I've been putting it off for weeks and just eating pizza off paper towels.

>>8962770
What shithole country do you live in where there are commercials selling 65°C water?

>>8958357
you can hand wash dishes faster than you can load and unload a dishwasher. dishwashers are just wasteful

Dishwashers:
>use more water
>use more energy
>take far more time
>get the dishes less clean

But at least your soft, womanly hands won't get all wrinkly, right?

>>8963132
>take far more time
Time I don't have to spend washing the fucking dishes. I just load it, hit a button, and go about my day.

>>8958340
>no having a Blastmaster™ 6000 compressor hooked up to your dishwasher
>he actually has to scrub his dishes by hand
You might think I'm memeing, but im not. Get a dishwasher that isnt cheapshit.

>>8958477
>My time is worthless so I can stand there washing dishes

>>8963342
>I am so poor that I need to budget my time by literally giving it monetary value

>>8963356
You must be poor.
Poor people don't budget their time which is why they end up poor. Wealthy people don't waste their time on bullshit task.

>>8963424
Do you make so little at your job that you have to plan out every second of your free time? That you can't afford to spend ten minutes acting out on a whim?

How many hours do you work a day where washing the dishes is cutting into your work hours?

I'm not shitposting anymore here: it sounds like you're so poor that you can't comprehend what it's like to not need to work. You should save up for a plane ticket out of whatever shithole country you live in. Even part-time minimum wage in the first world can provide abundant luxuries such as "having free time".

>>8963455
Free time is for doing things you enjoy. If you're doing something you dislike doing its time you could be doing something you enjoy or making more money to allow you more time to do things you enjoy.

Also my part time work as a dev (since I'm a grad student), puts me slightly above the median for household income.

>>8958340
faster than leaving them dirty?

>>8958353
Fuck you!

>>8958340
But I do. I have a dishwasher, but I never use it. Much better to be done with it as soon as you're done instead of loading up your dishwasher and then having to waste 10 minutes putting shit away.

I am because our dishwasher is a barren wasteland

I always wash my dishes by hand. It's relaxing and seems to keep the dishes in better condition. Some dishwashers scratch the dishes over the years so that the surface is eventually full of small scratches.

I do.

>>8958353
Fuck off.

>>8958917
This, plus any mugs/dishes that are specifically not dishwasher safe.

Never put your knives in the dishwasher.

Why do people act like a dishwasher is a luxury item when they cost less than a laptop and run for at least ten years?

>>8958908
K...

>>8962755
Change cleaning products, genius.
The soapy residue is, I think, the film they advertise as "washes so clean there isn't even water marks after drying". I live with drying my dishes with a paper towel if I want them sparking clean, or with some infinitesimal amount of limescale.

>>8959622
Do you have one that measures water and not electrical power?

>>8964230
Because typically you need a house to go around the dish washer. Most american's can't afford one of those, so they live in tiny apartments that don't already come with a dishwasher and if it doesn't already come with a dishwasher what the fuck are you supposed to do? Cut a hole in the kitchen counter?

>>8958395
>Most adults will suffer third-degree burns if exposed to 150 degree water for two seconds. Burns will also occur with a six-second exposure to 140 degree water or with a thirty second exposure to 130 degree water. Even if the temperature is 120 degrees, a five minute exposure could result in third-degree burns.
That's why you wear rubber gloves, anon.

Don't get me wrong. If I had a dishwasher, I would use it for most things, and it's more efficient. But this is a stupid thing to go on about.

>>8962755
Do you have hard water? That can cause soap scum. It doesn't only stick to your shower. It sticks to skin, and probably dishes as well.

>>8958340
I fucking wish I was living alone

>>8958340
>>8958340
I only have a bowl, a pot, & a hobo knife (fork/knife/spoon combo). Needing anything else just proves you are a social try hard.

>>8964832
What the fuck am i supposed to do with the money I earn if I can't buy anythingbeyond a fork and knife?

Pile it up like Walter White?

>>8964851
Breed and spend it on raising your children.

>>8963462
>If you're doing something you dislike doing its time you could be doing something you enjoy or making more money to allow you more time to do things you enjoy

>poor people believe this

>Step-sister over at house, I'm babysitting, she's 14 (don't fucking make it one of Those threads)
>hey anon can I make an omelette
>sure
>watch her crack open eggs into dish, fingers covered in goop
>she goes to sink
>washes with water, but no f u c k i n g s o a p
>reaches for my towels
>pic related screamed at her in panic

DON'T GIVE ME SALMONELLA ON MY WASHING TOWELS YOU STUPID BITCH

>>8964890
>He shitpost on 4chan because he is poor

I don't have room for a dishwasher in my kitchen

feelsbadman

>>8964900
your protestations tell us that you probably overcook your eggs, that's the real crime here. Water is a decent solvent, and it's the physical scrubbing that removes most bacteria, and unless you got some real diseased egg or you're immunocompromised both you and your towel will be fine

>>8964900
DUDE, i was dating a girl and
>we wuz cooking breakfast
>cracking eggs for pancakes and omelettes
>i wash my hands and ask if she wants the water cold or warm
>"why, i didn't get any of the insides on me"
>explain it's the outside that's also pretty filthy
>"but i didn't get any on me"
>"ok, well: my kitchen, my rules"
>gesture to the sink, still-running water, and soap

She gave me shit all the time about washing my hands after that

>>8964900
I'm really amazed by the quality of food you Americans consume.

>>8958340
I've literally never had a dish washing machine in any place I've lived

>>8963116

They are good for weekly sanitation. Dishwashing takes longer, but it ensures that the plates and utensils get sanitized.

>>8958553
Use a fucking sponge

>>8965419
>>explain it's the outside that's also pretty filthy
Eggs are washed (and sold cooled) in the US, they are unwashed (and sold at room temp) in Yurop.

>>8958917
Well not only do you have excellent taste in women, you also do your dishes in a sensible way.

>>8958340
Because the perfume industry has turned into a "how poisonous can we make this stuff" circlejerk that has made it downright dangerous to use soap, shampoo or detergent.

I assume you like your kidneys? Find safer ways to wash stuff.

>dirty one bowl and spoon
>wash it
vs
>dirty one bowl and spoon
>put in dishwasher
>wait for full load, then turn on

to be honest i prefer option 2, less wasteful with water in the long run
there's also the retarded 3rd option where you fill an entire sink for like 3 bowls

>>8958340
it really is
i hate how the dishwasher leaves food debris here or there, ready to contaminate my future food with soap and organic trash
technically you're supposed to rinse off all that debris before putting it in the dishwasher, but at that point you might as well just handwash with soap as well

>>8958395
yea dishwashing is better for pure sanitation but it always leaves crap behind
just wear some thick rubber gloves like the other guy said to insulate your hands

>>8958340
It's only BECAUSE I live alone that I use a dishwasher. I don't have a wife or kids to split the house chores with, and all that shit takes time out of my day that I could be doing literally anything productive.

>>8962786
what
just eat it straight from the box

>>8964111
this too

I live alone and rarely have company that uses many dishes. I sometimes cook for my gf and I, but it's not too often as we're /fit/ and meal prep at our own homes 90% of the time.

I clean my dishes as I use them. Wash them when I'm done eating, wash a pot after I'm done using it to cook, etc. Keeps my kitchen looking super fresh, and there's never any messy sink to deal with.

>>8963116
>wasteful

it actually wastes more water to hand wash your dishes. and if it takes you more than 5 minutes to unload a dishwasher, then you're certified retarded.

>>8967525
>I could be doing literally anything productive.
Like shitposting?

>>8965978
No wonder when I get into an elevator with a few females drenched in that shit I can't breathe. Htf do they stand wearing enough poison day in and day out to choke a grown man? Jesus, it's the antithesis of sexy.

>>8958340
>Let dishes soak in soapy water for an hour wile i do shit
>Wipe dishes with a slightly soapy sponge
>Rinse
Total time involved, about 7 minutes.

I've never even used a dishwasher before, I've only seen them as pictures or on the tv, i've never seen them in stores either how do they sell those like washers and dryers they display outside like in sears.

>>8958340

>Tell wife to wash dishes
>It gets done
>Time spent: none of mine


Feels good man

>>8961067
That's a pretty macabre way of dealing with ants, but I kinda like it.

Am I the only one who licks my plates and bowls clean...?

>>8958340
I am and it's highly overrated

>>8958553
How pathetic is /ck/?

>>8958340
Apartment came with a free dishwasher.

Before using it I'd basically dirty every dish and then constantly clean the last dirty dish just in time to dirty it again.

Now I can dirty them all, wait a week to finally bother, and wash all 12 dishes I own while I watch YouTube. What a time to be alive.

>>8959371
When you were younger, was doing the dishes after meals a chore the children had to do?

I also find doing moderate amounts of dishes fun. When only doing my own cleaning up, I would probably prefer handwashing to using a dishwasher, too.

And I was never forced, or even insistently asked to do it.

I like to believe that handwashing your dishes exposes you to more bacteria in the long run and strengthens your immune system because you're not shielded from bacteria like you would be if you were just running your dishes through a scalding hot water jet.

>>8958340
wifey washes dishes

>>8964900
the chance to get a contaminated egg is about 1 in 10,000
and you need to consume more than one to get sick from salmonella

>>8959608
look at this fancy mother fucker
i bet your shitter is inside your house too

>>8963132
see>>8959622

why would you ever want to hand wash dishes?
it takes forever and its not a particularly pleasant activity
there's almost nothing in the average home I would want to clean less than dishes

>>8958553
what are you straining that can't be rinsed off by hot water?

>>8958340
I'm obsessive about cleaning, so I would use more water/power than my dishwasher which has a heat dry setting.

also, hand washing dishes/glasses/silverware messes up your hands if you don't use gloves and you have to buy a new sponge/wand more often.

>>8958340
I moved to NY from LA. In LA, you're doing okay if you have a pool. In NYC you're wealthy if you have a dishwasher.

>>895834

Got stationed in Europe back in the day and the place I rented from didn't have a dishwasher. Haven't used one since. The one that came with my house is used as a drying rack.

>>8959622
t. dishwasher salesmen

>>8961078
This.

You'd get fucksmacked talking shit to my face about how I wash dishes. Mind your business.

>>8958340
I do hand wash my dishes. I live alone and only have a few sets of dishes. If I wait till I have a full load for the dish washer, I'm going to be out of dishes.

>>8964213
>>8963869
>>8959614
what? it's fucking faster than wasting my time scrubbing shit.