/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>9639090
To be fair dog does seem awful, I bet is super fucking chewy, has no meat and I have to scrape it from the bone and tastes like shit

>>9639090

wow, it's almost as if dogs are not a traditional meat source in the western world and have had the staple of "man's best friend" for many centuries

really shocking, isn't it?

>>9639116
Cows and pigs can be "le man's best meme" if you gave them a chance as well.

>>9639116
>man's best friend
Dog owners are scatfags.

>>9639139
cows and arguably pigs make poor household pets
>if you gave them a chance
they are where they are because they're good food sources compared to dogs

as i said, it all comes down to culture and customs, "dog" is synonymous with "pet" in the west, pretty much

>>9639090
i only eat cows because cows seem to not be able to ahve fun.

>>9639154
We had a pig
Every day
Every GODDAMN day
He'd destroy the garden

>>9639179
We had a dog
Every day
Every GODDAMN day
He'd bark all day

>>9639179
your fault for being too stupid to contain a pig
>>9639204
your fault for being too stupid to train a dog

>>9639179
Well, made for healthier bacon then.

I love to eat dog. Grew up in regional burma and ate them regularily. Even tho i come from a muslim background we would eat them often, dilicious in kebab.

>>9639265

>>9639090
And I hate faggots yet here you are.
>niggas think pigs and cows can be cool like dogs
There's a reason people use those words as insults.

>>9639287
Dogs are fucking disgusting animals.

>>9639139

Cows are dumb so as such they make dumb companions. Pigs are a bit better but lack the breed diversity of dogs and the ease of training.

>>9639295
>t. Muslem

>>9639285
We also eat fish carp like photo.

>>9639295
Better than cows or pigs.

>>9639299
I will move to your country soon. See you then neighbour. You like kebbab.

>>9639299
>t. chav

>>9639308
Great, we can have a beer while my dog watches.

>>9639096
It's not bad, just super fucking lean. The meat yield is very low though. I think it's 20% for most dogs.

ethics aside, theres little or no yield from butchering a dog compared to a pig or cow so there's no reason to even consider eating one unless its in extreme circumstances

even in places where they do still eat them, they're not anywhere near a staple of the local diet

Vegans are logically correct about most things, and anytime someone tries to argue in favor of eating meat they sound ridiculous. But animals just taste awesome so I don't care.

>>9639090
ive heard dog is ok but honestly ive never looked at a dog and thought "what a chunky dude, i bet theres lots of good meat on that"

>you have to eat all the meat or else you're a hypocrite

that's not how it works lmao

>>9639287
"dog" is literally also an insult you dog cunt.

>>9639295

>>9639389
Lol this. Vegans are mostly autistic so they can’t comprehend that not every decision should be made based purely in logic. Same goes for atheists

>>9639389
>and anytime someone tries to argue in favor of eating meat they sound ridiculous.
meat is tasty and is a good source of many things you need to be healthy, like protein and iron. alternatives exist, but meat is tasty and plentiful so why not eat it?

>>9639414
what a slag

>>9639419
When it comes to nutrition there's a solid case for eating meat (especially fish). But ecologically, economically, and ethically it's a pretty bad practice.

Although I understand why vegans try to argue that their diet is healthier, because otherwise they'd be telling people "yea this is really unpleasant and not good for you personally but you should do it anyways because in theory the world will be better off, or at least it might get better someday if everyone adopted this practice." Not a good pitch.

>>9639452
>But ecologically, economically,
farming produce is also very destructive to the environment. producing anything in the modern age is destructive. why single out meat?
>and ethically
fuck off you retard there is nothing wrong with eating meat

>>9639459
I'm not a vegan so I obviously don't care that much, but it's not an either/or between meat and produce. Raising livestock requires growing plenty of plants to feed the animals. This is inefficient because animals don't convert all the energy contained in the plants into meat. There is plenty of waste involved in the metabolic process. Think of how many calories an animal absorbs over its lifetime, and compare that to how many calories are in its cooked body. It's a huge loss of energy. So you end up using more land and more resources to end up with a product whose main advantage over plants is its taste. Obviously that taste advantage is very valuable, but you understand how prioritizing taste over environmental preservation and efficient use of resources is not exactly rational.

The one exception is grass-fed cattle that's raised on land that would be unsuitable for cultivation, but that's a rare case. Sheep too, but hardly anyone eats them.

As for ethics, if you believe in utilitarianism there really isn't much of a justification for eating animals.

I would eat dog, yes. I would eat any animal served to me unless it was endangered or human meat.
Everyone bugs the fuck out when I say I would have no problems eating dog or horse meat. Fucking normies can't even eat according to a logical framework.

>>9639139
Try playing fetch with either of those animals.

There are dogs who can't fetch, but they have the redeeming quality of being able yo fot on your lap.

Dogs have also been bred for obedience and genial qualities that make them the best of pets.

>>9639528
Try playing fetch with a vegan. They just stare at you. I think it's all the marijuana they smoke, that stuff is terrible for you.

>>9639517
I bet you're a fucking beast in the sack

>>9639540
having sex isn't vegan

>>9639265
Nice bait burger

>>9639517
>horse meat
lmao horse is downright normal in a lot of countries. it's only not in the US because horses were more prized as work animals so a horse worth eating was usually a sickly or old horse you actually kinda don't want. but in canada and a lot of europe eating horses is normal, even if not as common as beef or pork

There's no hypocrisy in saying that some animals have more rights than others.

>>9639540
>sex
uh that's where peepee comes out. No thanks loser.

If carnivores taste bad then why is fish good? Most of the fish that we eat eat other fish.

ITT meatcucks who don't understand the is ought distinction

>>9639584
Fish isn't meat tho so eating fish is ok.

>>9639561
honestly some people have more rights than others

>>9639584
fish is good because they are naturally marinaded in the sediment-rich water. Other meats are marinaded in air, but since we are also in air we can't distinguish the subtle flavors.

>>9639145
and cat owners aren't?

>>9639090
Pigs are omnivores
Cows are herbivores
Dogs are carnivores
You don't eat carnivores because they taste bad
You eat farm animals because you have no attachment to them.
You don't eat dogs because they're high maintenance toys that some people substitute for children.
Why don't you eat your mom when she's dead since she's just meat you moron?

>>9639090
Dog meat is stringy as all hell. Pigs and cows on the other hand isn't.

>>9639640
irrelevant descriptive statement

try again

>>9639653
Not an argument try again

>>9639653
>irrelevant descriptive statement
but its not irrelevant

an animal's diet strongly impacts its own meat's taste

this is why you dont eat street deer, they eat trash so they taste like trash. same thing is what makes free range animals tastier, theyre not fed processed schlock and instead eat real food thats normal for them

the animals weve chosen to farm have been selected for their taste and ease of raising, which is mostly if not entirely influenced by their diet

see also >>9639651 dog meat is just bad

>>9639116
But is it morally ~wrong?~

I don't care if you don't like it or not. I want to know if it is morally wrong.

>>9639658
it is. You have to make normative statements to say nothing about what we should do

- people should not eat animals for x reason (relevant normative claim)
- people eat animals for y reason (irrelevant descriptive claim)

try again

>>9639663
say anything*

>>9639651
>Dog meat is stringy as all hell. Pigs and cows on the other hand isn't.

Abosloutely not. Stringiness has nothing to do with the species, and instead has everything to do with the animal's activity level and age. The specific cut of meat matters too.

Old animals are stringy. Doesn't matter if it's a dog, pig, cow, or chicken.

>>9639584
fish were placed on this earth by allah to be eaten. they exist for no other purpose.

>>9639090
If i'm gonna eat an animal that rolls around in it's own shit i prefer it to have tasty bacon and ham.

>>9639661
Very true regarding diet affecting flavor. And it's not just diet that's the issue with carnivores, it's also how that animal lives:

Carnivorous animals tend to have strong musk and scent glands. They use these to mark their territory and in the case of "pack" animals like dogs, to communicate with others in the pack. The presence of this scent taints the meat. Most herbivores don't do this because they try to hide from predators, not announce their presence via scent. However, there are exceptions--male deer and pigs scent mark sometimes, and hunters know that a female will taste a lot better than a male in those cases.

>>9639666
Funn piggo dancing video :))

>>9639662
morals are a spook

that which is morally correct is that which either minimizes suffering and/or maximizes happiness, according to the values of all involved

eating a dog isnt very good, so it's probably a waste of a dog that would rather not be eaten. if eating dog were a good idea, dogs would be raised for their meat and not just hunted by the poor in east asia and afrika who can't poach anything better

so basically, i'd say it's "morally" wrong to eat a dog. it imposes suffering on something without very good reason. but if dogs were more palatable to eat, then it would become fine. the question lies in whether the delight in eating for a person would outweigh the value of the dog's life.

>>9639090
Man, you're right. Let's eat people too, we're only animals after all.

>>9639090
I wouldn't mind eating them if meat from exclusively carnivorous mammals wasn't notoriously bad.

>>9639685
nigga don't thats how you get fukken prions n shit

>>9639686
dogs aren't exclusively carnivorous

>>9639690
true. sometimes they eat literal shit, like rabbits

>>9639689
Clearly I won't eat a dirty 3rd worlder. Only the best of western civilization. Cooked properly and no eating the brains. I mean, we're not zombies.

Doy.

>>9639695
>not eat his own shit
It's like you don't want that easy, lean b12.

>>9639704
the problem there is that to get such a fine example of humanity to eat will be hard since everyone will rather they put their good human qualities to work rather than to literally being roasted

>>9639709
Hey hey hey. You get them young. Not as much flavor but they'll be nice and tender.

>>9639139
Pigs are spoiled shits that are difficult to potty train and get ugly as they are.

Cows are not any better. They're actually worse.

>>9639709

>>9639616
>babby's first Hume reading
Would it be okay if everyone ate dog meat? Yes, society wouldn't struggle
So it's okay

>>9639492
>believe in utilitarianism

>>9640123
What?

I don't eat pork unless it's from a local farm I know enough about to trust. Mainly because I had a piggo as a kid.

>>9639090
Oh, so that's where vegans "come from." Makes sense.

>>9639666
T H U M P P E D

>>9639090
Shitskin off my board. Dogs and Horses are the white man's best friends.

>>9639090
Don't talk to me until I had my coffee

>>9639145
Care to elaborate? Not a dog owner, just curious.

>>9640664
Don’t mind him, he just has toxiplasmosis

>>9640664
I'm not the guy you're replying to, but I figure he meant that responsible dog owners need to go around picking up their pet's poop. There's also the problem with dogs loving to roll in, as well as eat, any kind of shit they come across.

>>9639662
>I dont care about your morals, I want you to tell me if its against my morals
Nigga, what kind of bait is this?

>>9639090
I was so hungry one day, I made an arrow. I had a simple bow, strung it with thin rope and went to making an arrow. Found a good piece of bamboo, nice and straight. Cut a piece of flat tin for the arrow head. I tried to bang out a rock as native americans did but couldn't get the shard right. I made the flights with duct tape. I was all set. Unfortunately, the neighbor's dog that always came by never showed. Was gonna cut it down and grill it. Instead I had to take my weak, starving ass and ask for a sandwich from a neighbor, my dad. I hadn't eaten in two days. First time I was so weak and trying to make that used so much energy. I was so weak,

>>9641434
I should say that I'm almost a carnivore. It's not a meal without meat. Vegetables and bread/grains are to supplement meat.

>>9639116
Europigs ate dog as late as early 20th century. Dog was on the menu in Germany as late as WW2, probably post-WW2 as well when everyone was starving.

>>9639090
dumb vegan shill
dogs, provided they are cooked properly, are delicious and you should try having a well-seasoned dog steak before passing your "2-enlightened4you" judgement

>>9639662
>morals
>on 4chan
No, it's not morally wrong. The bible says all things that creepeth and crawleth that are not scavengers. Basically, if it doesn't survive on rotting things, has fur, scales or feathers, it's fine. There's other rules that doesn't apply to this discussion. It's fine but people's tendency to personify the animate and inanimate has made more rules for socially acceptable food.

You know, if someone suddenly ran up to me with proof that the cure-all make-all food I was eating was gene-mod, braindead people that walked in a line to get food and then their brainstem severed I think that'd be just okay.

>>9639154
Yah they don't make convenient pets for your western values of harlot-like convenience worshiping. You westerner pig filth ought to be ashamed of your hypocritical choosiness of what you constitute as more valuable for living and slaughter.

>>9639090

>I could never dog

I don't eat dog, horse, or cat. They proved to be awesome companion animals that helped humans become the dominate life form on the planet. Cows and pigs also contributed by being food.

Cats role in advancing human society is highly debatable, but they did play some role that is pretty much universally agreed upon. So they barely escape the oven in my book.

>>9640705

A cat owner talking about dog owners having to pick up poop as a negative is pretty hilarious.

>>9641537
You realise people who have cats in the countryside just let their cats shit outside and bury their shit themselves, right?
Not that anyone mentionned cats before your post, you consolewar faggot.

I personally don't really care. I'd eat it if it was offered to me, but I wouldn't go out of my way to try it. If it were more widely available and I enjoyed the taste, I might add it to my weekly cycle of meals.

>>9639561
Right humans have some and then no others do. Glad we agree.

>>9639616
I'm gonna ought my distinction in your fucking ass faggot.

>>9639417
You tried but you got no (you)s so I feel bad. Have a pity (you)

>>9639145
I agree, I could never own a dog

>>9639616
Could you explain the is-ought thing? I read the Wikipedia on it and i think I get it but I don't see how it applies here and cannot think of a good example of it.

>>9639492
>I know stone nothing about agriculture: the post

>>9641654
it means you can't get an ought (normative) statement from a set of is (descriptive) statements.

e.g. you can't get 'we should eat meat' from the statement 'we are adapted to eat meat'

>>9641697

This must be completely awesome for cows with a pregnancy fetish.

>>9641697
Thanks. So let me give a hypothetical. In a universe where the only possible source of nutrition is meat, I would say "we ought to eat meat". Does this fall prey to the same limitation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=411&v=zF_MlhXAjiE

>>9641728
I ask this because it seems like this could apply to any moral. An even more egregious example would be "if you push this button the universe will cease to exist" therefore "you ought not push the button". Seems like a dead stop for any action based on morals

>>9639090
Bait, but: it isn't hypocritical at all. Modern domestic dogs were bred to be human companions and help humans with various kinds of work over the course of 15,000 years. Using them as a food source is a waste of their value, a sign of a misunderstanding of their value, or a symptom of a problematic local agricultural or economic system.

Domesticated pigs and cows were selectively bred over the course of thousands of years to fulfill other roles, primarily as food. If you see these objective facts of selective breeding and agriculture as hypocritical I guess you can go start a new human civilization in your free time when you're not too busy shitposting frog memes on 4chan.

I could never eat a dog just because they are such disgusting creatures.

Humans and dogs have had a close companionship for thousands of years, they helped us hunt and we treat them as friends, horses too had a similar symbiotic relationship. The other animals you list have always been mainly used to eat or get milk from.

Dogs are bros, pigs are meat.

>>9641728
yes, you always have to start with a normative premise(s) to draw any normative conclusion

>>9641741
fuck me up senpai

>>9641749
Do you think the average person would have a problem with the eating a dog because of the taste, or because of emotional attachment?

>>9641553
Someone just got weirdly defensive and offended

>>9641749
>Modern domestic dogs were bred to be human companions and help humans with various kinds of work over the course of 15,000 years. Using them as a food source is a waste of their value,
If you're talking about taking, say, a bloodhound, retriever, pointer, sheepdog, etc, and killing it for food it would be an absolute waste and misunderstanding of value. But it could, did, and does happen during times of famine.

But that's to say nothing of opportunistic eating--feral dogs don't have that concern. Nor do dogs which are actually raised for meat, which is a thing in Asia.

It is true that dogs are rarely raised for meat. that's a matter of simple economics. A pig, chicken, or cow costs very little to feed. A dog requires a relatively expensive diet by comparison. It's just not efficient to do it large-scale. But it does become practical if you can convince people of it's "medicinal benefits" and thereby charge a higher price.

>>9643120
Not the guy you're replying to, but I bet the average person would be the latter. Eating dog is taboo for most people. While it is true that carnivores tend to taste bad I doubt the average person would even try it.

>>9639090
It's hypocrisy you dumb cunt, peoples just made the arbitrary choice to not eat dogs, nothing more.

I consider dogs honourary humans (kind of like how Hitler considered Japanese honourary Aryans).

>>9643845
Your cognitive dissonance is amazing. Are you:
a) religious
b) a user of psychoactive drugs
c) mentally handicapped
or
d) some combination of the above?

>>9641434
>>9641441
>i didnt eat for 2 days omg i was so hangry i almost ate my neighbors dog lmao
>btw im practically a carnivore only le greens r for rabbits + bacon goes on everything yum yum :)

i would bet a million quid that ur an american and are between 18 and 21 years of age

>>9639090
Bitch I'd eat dog and cat. Just not mine but if the wongs down the street stir fry lil timmy's pup and need to dispose of the evidence I am game

>>9639640
>Pigs are omnivores
Correct
>Cows are herbivores
Correct
>Dogs are carnivores
Correct
>You don't eat carnivores because they taste bad
Wrong
It depends on how you cook and eat them, and bad is subjective as fuck.
Not to mentions people do eat dogs.
>You eat farm animals because you have no attachment to them.
So? Do you eat vegetables because you have attachment to them? No?
>You don't eat dogs because they're high maintenance toys that some people substitute for children.
Completely subjective, that's irrelevant. I'd eat dogs, I'd eat my pet dogs if I have to. High maintenance-negative. People has been living in streets with dogs. There are feral dogs. It is how people spend money on them, it depends on person to person.
>Why don't you eat your mom when she's dead since she's just meat you moron?
Human body is not meat - just to let you know, cannibalism is not permissable in modern world, and dead body is not meat, it is cadaver.
>moron
Clearly you are, building strawmans.

>>9641651
Lol you can if you're a girl. Then find a big dog and let your boyfriend walk it for you, and clean his cage. You can suck his dick in return. Wa-la, a dog without a hassle!

>>9639090
>"Oh I could never eat [an animal that had been bred and domesticated for the purpose of companionship for thousands of years and for which had been shown that their emotional intelligence and malleability is greater than that of other animals]! That just sounds so awful!"
>eats [animals that were bred and domesticated for the purpose of producing meat and other culinary products for thousands of years and for which had been shown to be extremely stupid and useless otherwise]
And this is a problem why?

>>9645109
>Human body is not meat - just to let you know, cannibalism is not permissable in modern world, and dead body is not meat, it is cadaver.
Not him, but your line of logic is bad on this one.

>>9639090
>carnivore
>bad meat production
>strong taste hard meat

if you studied like the most basic thing about food production you would understand why we raise chickens and cows and not dogs and cats

>>9645297
pigs are very smart and loyal
but we off them because they are incredibly productive

>also

koreans used to raise a dog breed for eating, they don't anymore because, you know, they aren't desperate for meat anymore

To recap: we raise some animals for meat because they are productive, tender, tasty and cheap to fatten: for example cows eat any shit and pigs are monstrous just in 4 months and have 12 piglets.

Please, memorize this and recite it next time a fucking patronizing vegan belittles 8000 years of human culture.

>>9645318
>pigs are very smart and loyal
So can gypsies if you raise one accordingly, but they'll be no where as smart or useful as e.g. dogs purely because they didn't have the evolutionary need for it. This fact is a basic consequence of the evolutionary pressures they face as a species over millions of years.
>koreans
So? It's a fact that dogs were domesticated for the purpose other than eating long before "Koreans" were even a thing. And since they eat dog meat out of necessity (i.e. it's not even in their culture to eat it) it's literally irrelevant to the discussion.
I'd appreciate it if you stop bringing up irrelevant things to the discussion.

>>9645354
Please stop posting.

>>9645379
Don't be upset, anon. Just accept the fact that not everyone is stupid enough to become vegans.

>>9639090
I could eat dog.
Rat meat also looked appetizing.

>>9645354
cows aren't smart or loyal
we don't raise dogs because they are "smart and loyal" we raise them because they were the first domesticable carnivore useful to help hunting
company animals is a pretty much recent phenomenon

>>9645405
You're the one who brought up smart and loyal. I've literally never said anything about those two qualities.
>first (only) domesticable carnivore useful to help hunting
Why are you even trying to start shit with me if you agree with me? Stop being so fucking stupid for once.

>>9645388
Oh, I know. I've hunted and butchered animals, and love meat. I just said that because you post like a complete fucking faggot.

>>9645421
Sure thing, falseflagger.

>>9645427
No seriously, I only came in this thread to tell you that your posts' content and "flair" are fucking terrible and you should stop.

>>9645439
>only came in this thread
>"flair"
Jesus Christ. Head back to /r/eddit kid.

>>9639666
Not all meat comes from these places though

>>9645445
take a long, deep look at your post history, pretend it was made by someone else, reread it, and watch your blood boil at how much of a goddamn faggot could have posted it. get the fuck off my 4chan, nigger.

>>9645419
because this is a discussion board, not exclusively a confrontation board. I can talk about what the fuck I want, and if you consider it's boring or you are just wanting to fight, just ignore it instead of looking like an edgy teen trying too hard to look super smart.

>>9645468
Oh so you were samefagging. Pathetic.

>>9645469
You obviously don't want any fruitful discussion since your stance has literally no leg to stand on. And here you are projecting your insecurities about the lack of understanding of how basic dialectics works onto others through anger.
Pathetic. Again.

>>9639090
Right, because they're exactly the same.

>>9645470
can you reply without a meme buzzword, child? Like, is that even personally a capability with your addled mind?

By the way, I'm going to hide this thread now.

>>9645490
>buzzwords
Yeah go run off to your daddy little stupid cunt.

>>9645330
Haha, no. Meat is only cheap because of government subsidies. There's a net loss in food when you feed it to animals then eat the animals themselves.

>>9639090
above all dog just sounds unappetizing and hard to eat.. unlike pig cow or even rabbit

>>9639492
Meat provides good nutrients and is an easy way to get lots of calories without having to gorge on veggies. We're omnivores, so a diet containing both meat and vegetables makes the most sense.

>>9641441
So you're an omnivore.

>>9641434
Asking for a sandwich wasn't your first choice?

>hypocritical
Another word that has been run into the ground. It's not hypocritical at all.
Arbitrary and unfair? Maybe. But when has fairness ever been a consideration in the food chain?

Its biology, when you eat a herbivore you get more energy and nutrition because they get a lot of energy from the plants they eat. Whereas a carnivore gets less of that energy because it has gone through a middleman. But the reason we don't exclusively eat vegetals is that eating meat is more efficient and we get 85-95% of the energy from the meat.
Also because of generations of artificial selection, it makes more sense to eat our generic farm animals than an animal that we haven't selected to be tasty.

Reminder that pigs are smarter than dogs

>>9647411
They weren't smart enough to buddy up to humans when we were on our way up. They got in late.

Fuck off. I don’t eat dog for the same reason I don’t eat horse or bugs. They are unappetizing to me and would rather not bother eating something that isn’t appealing. Additionally, most normal places in the world frown on dog eating, so there’s an obvious social stigma about eating dog which you would have naturally sensed if not for your presence on the spectrum.

>>9639116
But people act like its an evil sin. The only reason the west don't eat dogs is because they are more useful than the animals we typically eat.

>>9639090
I eat my dog pretty regularly. She loves it. Doesn't really understand the concept of "69" though. :-(

>>9639090
>torturing dogs for taste is normal i dont understand cow eaters who trie and avoid the suffering

>>9647411
In some ways, yes. However, they lack empathy and emotional iq. Pigs are the autists of the domestic species.

>>9639090
Nice strawman autism

>>9639116
>someone's breaking into my house
>quick, release the cows that'll teach them a lesson or two
I respect vegans, but as long there are humans there will be meat eaters. Deal with it.

>>9641450
Literally not true, but it's ultra easy to spot obsessed ameristan angermuslims

>>9645468
Back2reddit, newestboy

Dog is delicious though. I'd rate it someway above lamb, which I find overly greasy.

Fucks give dogs away for free. When did you lad see an additional on Craigslist offering a pig or a chicken for nothing?

Free meat is good meat.

>>9639204
We had a muslim
Every day
Every GODDAMN day
He'd blow himsef up

>>9651209

Umm, sweetie, blowing up is a PART of his culture. Stop being a bigot.

Dogs were bred to be companions, cows and pigs were bred to be livestock. As a result, cow and pig tastes delicious. I won't apologize because I don't live in a country where I need to resort to eating lesser meats to make it through the week.

>>9639090
>you're a hypocrite
>doesn't eat human
>doesn't eat bird

I agree op. the hypocrites trying to justify eating beef but not dogs are just as bad as vegans. I eat beef and chicken because its delicious, I'm not gonna justify the morals. I personally won't eat dogs because of personal choice based on emotions. But if the chinks regulate factory farmed doggos, fuck it, who am I to judge.

>>9639096
This. I don't care about the morality of eating a dog. But a dog doesn't seem like an animal with good meat. I'll stick to cows, pigs and deer.

Dogs are given away daily on Craigslist.
Sheep, pigs & chickens are not.
Free meat is good meat.

Animal domesticated for companionship vs Animal domesticated to be a huge retarded meat block

>>9645459
yeh but the cheapest most mass produced meat that the majority of people consume comes from these places

I'd try dog but i wouldn't expect it to taste very good.

I'd try long pork.

I don't see what's hypocritical about valuing certain animals above others.

I'm sure vegans don't mind eating food with yeast, and people who eat dogs would probably not eat human flesh.

>>9653011
>long pork
Retard.

>>9641742
Any moral statement is limited and cannot be proven objectively because every ought statements necessarily obtains a high value behind it. For example, if I say “you should not/ought not kill people,” the hidden value at work there is “people’s lives are valuable and deserve to be preserved.” However, value statements cannot be proven and aren’t necessarily subjective.

It’s really easy to kick the legs out from any moral argument that way, but it also isn’t a very productive mindset. I can’t “prove” that human life’s isn’t objectively worth preserving, but we have to take it on faith and agree in order to talk usefully about human rights. Same goes for animals.

>>9654568
Sorry for typos, I’m a filthy phoneposter.

>>9654531
He meant long pig.
I know.

>>9639090
No more hypocritical than a vegan saying honey is a product of bee enslavement but then consuming nut products that were made possible by bees pollinating the nut trees.

No more hypocritical than a vegan claiming consuming uninseminated eggs is murder while a farmer is spraying poison to kill millions of bug eggs on their veggies

>>9654568
What value do attain from an animal being alive? Even an unintelligent or unremarkable person can provide useful labor.

>>9654579
No more hypocritical than you trying to frame an intelligent argument despite being a complete and utter retard.

>>9654589
>Triggered vegan instantly reaches for the ad hominem reply
So predictable.

>>9639090
I eat cows but I don't eat dogs for the same reason I eat chicken but don't eat parakeets. They're not a viable food source, you fucking retard.

>>9654588
Honestly this, even a sub dog tier iq downie can work as a cashier or packs shopping, a cow has never even achieved the abilities or contributions of a dysfunctional human much less an average or exceptional one.

>>9654588
I see what you're saying, but if we looked at everything that way, would the logical conclusion be killing eating the mentally handicapped? We do not attain value from their being alive any more than a cow being alive.

I think a better way to think about it is just realizing that we treat a lot of farm animals like shit, cramming them in miniscule cages for months or years on end, repeatedly impregnate them, give them hormones and whatnot until they are so unhealthy they can barely live, and then we kill them for food. All this coming from a (admittedly hypocritical) meat-eater. Eating animals isn't the problem, but the human population has grown so large that ethical farming practices are no longer that viable, so animals are getting horribly mistreated.

>>9654774
The small spaces thing doesn't count as torture for cows and chickens as they are herd/flock animals. They literally prefer to be grouped together in close quarters. Hormones are bad agreed, but any of this can be solved by being an active consumer who buys more ethically treated animals. Abstinence from all animal products is actually does less for animals than funding a farm that's going to do right by their livestock.

>>9654788
That's a good point, and I already try to do that as much as I can, but I'm quickly losing hope that anything will ever be done to end factory farming. Not enough people are really invested enough or able to afford the more ethical products.

A dog has economic value. Dogs can do therapy. A therapist charges $100/hr after insurance. A dog does it for free 24/7. The dog saves me $8763000 on therapy, over a 10 year life span. A dog has 30 lb of meat. $290k/lb. Not worth it.

>>9654811
Yeah but I mean that's life. We can't make everyone do right, but we can always make ourselves do right. Lead by example, teach your kids the right way and over a very long time a society can change

>>9654774
>if we looked at everything that way, would the logical conclusion be killing eating the mentally handicapped?
>>9654614
Anything below that is mostly accompanied by physical disabilities and they die themselves or we euthanize them. This argument has no bearing in reality.

>>9654774
>>9654853
If we change the eating to consuming then consider the following: society has deemed it acceptable to abort a severely retarded fetus and to use fetus stem cells for science.

>>9639090
Which is more hypocritical? A pro choice vegan or Catholics eating eggs on good Friday?

>>9654920
Catholics make the concession that the eggs are unfertilized. Balut is meat, eggs and mayo are not

>>9654999
Good knowledge.

>>9639090
I couldn't eat my pet dog, which is used for hunting
Such a great dog and she had to earn my respect

But other dogs... nah I doin't see the problem

t. finland

Dogs are an apex predator. Apex predators have excess compounds in their meat that makes it very unhealthy and bitter. Cows and pigs are the absolute bottom of the food chain and have relatively untainted meat.

/thread

try harder

>>9639145
t. "man" who collects his cat's shit in a box to play with later

>>9655130
the fuck pseudo science is this shit?

food taste is a subjective measurement, popularity does not correlate to an objective measurement of a subjective trait like taste.

meat is meat.

>>9655286
>t. "man" who collects his cat's shit in a box to play with later
>If you don't enjoy picking up hot fresh dog turds you must be a cat fag
lmao the amount of cope from dog fags.

>>9655306
Except your wrong. Dogs only eat meat, their bodies can digest cholesterol. Their meat has the nutritional value of eating dirt.

>>9655396

>>9655396
Meant to post this one, but fuck it, have both.

>>9655413
>has no control over something
>still invests time and emotional energy

Keep licking boots

>>9655411
>>9655413
>Owning a dog or a cat are similar to political spectrum
topkek

>>9655413
>you have to suck a dick , no other choice but to suck it, which one do you want to suck? dick A or dick B? oh you don't suck dicks? what are you? stupid?

>>9655413
>>9655421
>>9655439
Presidential elections are essentially useless to the common man but voting for local officials is quite valuable actually. They're much more sensitive to your issues and have a lot if in put into how big federal bills actually get implemented in your local area. For instance California has legalized Marijuana growing, my county supervisors want to limit all grows to indoor only. For reasons I am against this so I will be sure to find out my supervisors stance on the issue and vote accordingly. I may even actively campaign against supervisors in other districts.

>>9655466
The powder keg waiting to explode on this is that we established that the feds can shit on the will of the people as much as they want and the states can eat shit. We came to that conclusion 150 years ago or so.

>>9655521
EDGY
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>>9655531
Simple matter of fact. Feds have supremacy over the states.

>>9655578
Yeah but the federal governments legislative power is composed of representatives from small districts and senators from the states. It's self governing.

>>9655592
>i believe our upstanding whore congressmen represent the people and not megacorporations and lobbyists who give them millions

Naive, the post.

>>9655697
No you misunderstand me. We need to vote those bums out, the encumbant reelection rate for Congress is absurd. This is from people being totally tuned out of the political process except for the super exciting pop culture event of the presidential election. Our pathetic voter turnout in the off election cycle makes it easier not harder for the corporations to corrupt our legislature.

>>9639096
dog tastes like corned beef

>>9647411
Intelligence doesn't matter KIDDO

>>9655720
Fair enough, then. Sounds like we agree.