/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.10589068]

Anyone else miss the previous Miller Lite design before going permanently throwback?

[Anonymous No.10589089]

>>10589068

No because we don't drink shit beer, Americunt

[Anonymous No.10589108]

>>10589089
All those hopps are making you irritable and breasts sensitive you hipster fag

[Anonymous No.10589118]

>>10589108
Sounds like you are describing an Americunt hipster with their love of IPAs, gross but not as bad as your shit taste in beer.

[Anonymous No.10589136]

>>10589118
It's cheap and doesn't taste bad like actual shit beers like Keystone Light and Natty. Besides good tasting beer is a meme

[Anonymous No.10589259]

>>10589089
literally every country primarily drinks shit beer. Even Belgium the country that comes closest still has Stella as the best selling beer

[Anonymous No.10589265]

>>10589118
Where the fuck do hipsters drink beer? Do you live in Mississippi?

[Anonymous No.10589278]

>>10589265
This might be a good time to remember that you can't see the age of the person you're arguing with on 4chan and global rule #2 is completely unenforceable. If someone says something that could not possibly have been uttered by an adult, then it probably wasn't

Keep this in mind in the future and you will save yourself a lot of heartache

[Anonymous No.10589285]

>>10589278
I mean, I feel if someone associates IPA with hipster culture they are probably in their 50s

[Anonymous No.10589295]

>>10589285
I was born in a trailer park: the post

[Anonymous No.10589302]

>>10589295
What are you even trying to reference. If anything trailer park people are likely to have more outdated hipster stereotypes, so perhaps some of them into their 40s or even late 30 might consider IPA hipster

Obviously no millenials, even in the south consider IPA to be hipster as everyone came of age with it being normie as shit amongst their peers

[Anonymous No.10589321]

>>10589302
I'm not referencing anything, I'm making an assertion about what you take for granted.

I'm in my 40s and I regularly drink with people in their 50s. None of them drink cheap macro lagers. Even my dad, who is in his 80s, drinks good beer. Actually he is quite a bit more picky about his beer than me. I reserve my autism for wine. If you think people in their 50s are all hanging out in the ICU popping beetus meds and waiting to die from heart disease, you're the trailer trash. Not the guy you think lives in Mississippi.

Going back to the original question, if someone thinks IPAs are for hipsters they are most likely a child or at least, below the legal drinking age. At that age you drink what you can get. Generally, if you are acquiring alcohol to get clandestinely drunk, you'll go for the most alcohol for your money, which means you're not going for Dogfish Head 120 Minute IPA or whatever.

The most likely explanation is that you are arguing with an underaged person who assumes that having actual preferences in beer is something for "other people", i.e. not the demographic that person associates with. "Other people" = hipsters, in internet lingo. At least when those other people have access to, or a preference for, nice things.

[Anonymous No.10589326]

>>10589265
Breweries, Beer Gardens, indie shows, at home with their hipster buddies, at vegan barbecues, at whole foods in the little bars there, in Dolores Park, at Lake Merritt - must we go on?

[Anonymous No.10589336]

>>10589278
oh man, imagine how satisfying would be to kick this kid in the chest and set him flying good 5 m

[Anonymous No.10589382]

>>10589321
There is 100% a trend of older people drinking cheap beer more often. Obviously the group is not homogeneous, and they are a rapidly increasing market for good beer, as their son introduce good beer to them, but a random ass 55 year old is way more likely to primarily drink cheap beer than a random 28 year old

Please do not take general trends of demographics to be a personal attack on you

[Anonymous No.10589391]

>>10589326
I don't know man, I have never been to or heard of a "vegan BBQ"
Sounds like you are just making shit up to support your wrong ideas. Craft beer is the normie alcoholic beverage of choice for millenial men, the exact opposite of what hipsterdom is, unless you just think millenials in general are hipsters but thats silly

[Anonymous No.10589404]

>>10589382
You say "trend" as though it was something that didn't already happen. The ship has sailed, anyone in their 50s who drinks macro lagers is only doing it as a result of financial hardship. You might as well be arguing that people in their 50s don't have smart phones, or are scared to eat sushi. Maybe in some highly impoverished circles but as a general rule, no.

Not really sure what the "personal attack" thing came from, perhaps you are projecting now as a result of my trailer trash remarks, which were about you, and which I stand by.

[Anonymous No.10589413]

>>10589404
>anyone in their 50s who drinks macro lagers is only doing it as a result of financial hardship
Old habits die hard. A lot of old people are content and disinterested in changing their ways

[Anonymous No.10589419]

>>10589391
Being from the Bay Area I have a bit of authority to speak on this: hipsters are normies, in fact, hipsters are about as normie as it gets.

[Anonymous No.10589437]

>>10589413
>habits
If you are a lifelong alcoholic, then yeah, you probably are not in a good state financially in your 50s. Otherwise, see >>10589321

[Anonymous No.10589440]

>>10589404
I don't know if a majority of people in my dad's generation drink good beer, A lot of them do but probably a minority. But furthermore, a larger portion of older people that drink good beer drink lighter styles of good beer, they aren't typically the ones drinking DIPA and Imperial stout for better or worse. They are more likely than younger people to consider IPA a young man's hipster game

and then elderly people still almost exclusively drink bad beer, but they are unlikely to know what the concept of a hipster even is

Your trailer park assertions seem rather strained and arbitrary though

[Anonymous No.10589446]

>>10589437
>then yeah, you probably are not in a good state financially in your 50s
Life is super easy in America, most people in their 50s are very comfortable financially even if alcoholic. Old people get paid a lot for what they do

There are a lot of people in older generations that just do not have interest in trying new and better things so they stick to their habits regardless of financial situation. I am sure many of us will be the same way when we are old

[Anonymous No.10589488]

>>10589440
>everyone drinks the same kind of beer all the time
Guess this kinda dovetails with your earlier assertion that everyone eats, drinks, lives, dresses, thinks, and talks the same way in their 50s as in their 20s. What you're describing is a vocal minority of obnoxious person. The kind of person who refuses to go to a restaurant if they can't get a burger and fries and gets upset at food trends or new restaurants opening up.

I think maybe you hang out with some awful people who are scared of change, hence why you assume it's normal for someone in their 50s to be unfamiliar with brands or labels that didn't exist or weren't widely available 20 years ago.

People in their 50s have already segregated themselves into distinct groups, so that the kinds of people who think Olive Garden is fine dining, who are satisfied to eat hamburgers and pizza 7 days a week, don't really socialize much with people who know who Alice Waters is, for instance, or would tend to buy a new beer just to try it, even without having had a recommendation from someone else.

[Anonymous No.10589496]

>>10589488
Are you intentionally misunderstanding everything I saw? How are you possibly interpreting it like this?

[Anonymous No.10589501]

>>10589496
Which part did I misunderstand?

[Anonymous No.10589502]

>>10589488
>so that the kinds of people who think Olive Garden is fine dining,
This is way the fuck more common in people 50+ than it is in MIllenials

[Anonymous No.10589507]

>>10589502
The overwhelming majority of millennials don't even know who Alice Waters is, since she doesn't have a TV show or a YouTube channel.

Perhaps you are thinking of Gordon Ramsay.

[Anonymous No.10589529]

>>10589501
The part where I never said "everyone drinks the same kind of beer all the time"

I am very obviously talking about demographic trends, not the habits of individuals. And statistically older generations are much more likely to have strong brand loyalty when it comes to beer (and food in general where older generations are more interested in loyalty and familiarity, and young people with trying new things). It'd be interesting to see if these traits are specific to the current culture of older generations or if its just a natural result of getting old and we end up the same way.

[Anonymous No.10589531]

>>10589507
>The overwhelming majority of millennials don't even know who Alice Waters is
and this is bad?
>Perhaps you are thinking of Gordon Ramsay.
What are you even talking about? I didn't even reference the concept of celebrity chefs

[Anonymous No.10589548]

>>10589507
What does this possibly have to do with the previous comment. Millennial are killing all of your boomer food chains like Olive Garden (even though Millenials eat out more than any previous generation). On top of that, you guys are constantly writing news articles suggesting this is somehow a bad thing because you own stock in them

[Anonymous No.10589549]

>>10589529
The reason older people tend to be more open to lighter styles of beer has to do with life experience, nothing more. It happens with other beverages too. Generally this transition happens by the time the person has been of legal drinking age for 5-10 years. You stop thinking that islay is the end-all-be-all of scotch and you start appreciating highland and speyside malts. You stop thinking that deep purple overextracted oak bombs clocking in at 15.5% ABV are the end-all-be-all of wine, and you start appreciating nebbioli, rieslings, etc. And you start appreciating witbiers and old world hops and so on, once you realize that not every sip has to have so much sugar that it would crystallize instantly into a solid mass if you tapped the glass with a spoon and so much hops as to cause uncontrollable sneezing for everyone within 3 feet of the table.

But at a younger age you seek extremes because that's how the young mind works. Brand loyalty has nothing to do with it.

[Anonymous No.10589558]

>>10589089
Further proving Americans live in your head rent free

[Anonymous No.10589560]

>>10589531
Alice Waters is a chef, you're probably thinking of Alice Cooper, a somewhat mediocre musician
>>10589548
As usual you millennials seem unaware that there is a generation between "twitter addled ADHD tween" and "doddering old boomer with a catheter"

[Anonymous No.10589562]

>>10589549
>The reason older people tend to be more open to lighter styles of beer has to do with life experience
I never implied it was a bad thing, no need to defend it. Just stating that that fact partially informed the initial comment that got you aranting

[Anonymous No.10589570]

>>10589562
You were attempting to link lighter styles of beer with a loyalty to Schlitz or whatever it is your dad drinks. Which is an outdated mentality from very early on in the craft beer boom, nobody thinks that way anymore. Except your social circles, apparently.

[Anonymous No.10589573]

>>10589560
>Alice Waters is a chef,
But no one else had even brought up the concept of celebrity chefs. What does either Alice Waters or Gordon Ramsay have to do with anything here?
>>10589560
>there is a generation between "twitter addled ADHD tween" and "doddering old boomer with a catheter"
um, that is precisely what Millennials are. Teenagers and most current college kids currently are not Millennials, Millenials were born in the mid to later 80s, and early to mid 90s

[Anonymous No.10589584]

>>10589573
It was an analogy. The point was that in ye olde tymes the only "good" restaurants were old battle axe French joints (not that there's anything wrong with those). So by your logic, older people should only like French food (if well off) or McDonalds (if not so well off), whereas in fact if you actually knew older people who weren't lower to lower middle class, you'd know that old people are very well informed eaters.

Additionally, specifying the age range for millennials does not address the fact that your generation seems to think nothing happened between the late 1950s and the mid 1980s. As if in that time period, all cultural activity ceased, and there were no births.

[Anonymous No.10589586]

>>10589570
You are paranoidly reading way too much into this. Again, none of this is a personal attack on you or your friends. Just talking about general generational trends

[Anonymous No.10589591]

>>10589584
see
>>10589586
You are making all of these elaborate defensive arguments about things no one was supposing

[Anonymous No.10589593]

>>10589584
The parents of current teenagers have more in common with the boomers than with Millenials

[Anonymous No.10589607]

>>10589586
You keep using this word "attack", why is this? Because I'm showing you to be misinformed? Or because I'm (correctly) assuming you're from a disadvantaged background?
>>10589593
>waah I hate you dad!
Life gets better

[Anonymous No.10589645]

For reference.

Personally I like the "new" retro design (oxymoron, I know I know). Though I think some of the 90s and earlier ones looked even better. The pre 1974 design on a modern can would be kino.

[Anonymous No.10589646]

>>10589607
The very process of raising children leads to serious generational shifts

[Anonymous No.10589647]

100% organic soy beer when?

[Anonymous No.10589653]

>>10589607
>Because I'm showing you to be misinformed
ha, yeah with your mildly related anecdotes of how cool you and your old friends are and how totally not poor you are because non-upper class people of your generation do not count

[Anonymous No.10589654]

>>10589646
If it's something that universally happens, it's not a generational shift. By your logic going through puberty is a generational shift.

[Anonymous No.10589655]

They also sold some with the classic bottle shape as well.

[Anonymous No.10589660]

>>10589653
As you yourself noted, people in their 50s generally have a fair amount of disposable income. Therefore, it's a pretty safe assumption that if your dad fulfills all the stereotypes you're ascribing to old people, such as a preference for cheap beer and awful chain restaurants, he is the outlier in this case.

[Anonymous No.10589663]

>>10589654
For sure, people who have currently gone through puberty have stark differences from the generation who has yet to do so

generations are shaped by their experiences. The fact that most Millennial have yet to raise children and the ones that have children are mostly young children is a very influential part of what defines their demographic.

This is obviously something that will change as time goes on, but that doesn't make it any less relevant to current generational differenes

[Anonymous No.10589680]

>>10589663
>generations are shaped by their experiences
Sure, like being drafted, or being raised by a father who was drafted. Or going through a time when the economy was significantly different from the previous generation.

That is the whole reason why concepts like "boomers" and "millennials" exist. Not because those people are a certain biological age.

You're as misinformed about commonplace sociological terms as you are about alcoholic beverages, it would seem.

[Anonymous No.10589681]

>>10589660
My dad doesn't. But he did mostly drink MIller Lite until I started drinking good beer at the end of college. He has been drinking good beer for some years now but still is much less likely to pick an IPA or stout than I, or most men of my generation would, and much more likely to go toward a milder, wheat beer, amber or APA

Luckily my dad is not a fan of Olive Garden type places, but way too many people of his generation are, an my grandparents still occasionally say they wish their suburb had one

[Anonymous No.10589689]

Don't worry, early 2000s is coming back in style like 90's did. The people who grew up then are becoming adults.

[Anonymous No.10590699]

>>10589321
>underaged can only drink what they can get
Obtaining beer under 21 is a joke, I was drinking Germans wheats at 18 like it was no one's business, also would drink bud and natty light like crazy

Hipsters drink craft beer, Having gone to university in Portland, Oregon, I have traveled almost all of the west coast, and can confirm craft beer is a trend with hipsters, older people drinking other beers is just them trying new things, they didn't make the industry explode like hipsters did

Also nothing wrong with cheap beer, very refreshing and easy to drink a lot of. People who bitch about cheap beer are faggots who didn't have friends in high school and college, I cringe real fucking hard when people assert their "superiority" for drinking a beer that tastes like shit. Some craft beers taste good, most don't.

And you can pull the "just drinking it to get fucked up" card, but are you gonna sit there and tell me that sitting on the beach/lake and drinking that first bud/natty/miller/coors light wasn't fucking fantastic and tastes great?

[Anonymous No.10590710]

>>10590699
>are you gonna sit there and tell me that sitting on the beach/lake and drinking that first bud/natty/miller/coors light wasn't fucking fantastic and tastes great?
You realize different people have different "first time drinking" experiences and this extremely specific scenario likely only applies to a small percent of the population?

[Anonymous No.10591017]

>>10590699
did you go to college in the 90s?

[Anonymous No.10591023]

>>10590699
>People who bitch about cheap beer are faggots who didn't have friends in high school and college
Or they are just people who no longer are in college or high school

[Anonymous No.10591031]

>>10589068
The thing is the original/throwback design is literally the ultimate design. It could never ever get better than that because it's perfect.

[Anonymous No.10591048]

>>10590699
Its not that light beer is objectively bad, its just that it is watery and almost flavorless, its basically like drinking a light corn/rice flavored LaCroix with a bunch of calories. The reason it is deserving of shit is because so many excellent beers are easy to get and affordable. If good beer didn't exist there would be nothing wrong with it, or when you are underaged and being discerning is super inconvenient its an acceptable substitute. But as a post-college adult who lives in a place where excellent beer is everywhere there is no place for it

[Anonymous No.10591083]

>>10591048
For whatever reason light beer gives me terrible heartburn instantly upon drinking it whereas I never get heartburn from anything else. I can eat a ton of super-spicy thai or indian food--nothing. Pig out on greasy BBQ--nothing. Large amounts of liquor (I used to be an alcoholic)--nothing. But a bud light? Instant heartburn.

[Anonymous No.10591376]

>>10590710
Are you fucking retarded? I meant the first beer of the day

>>10591017
No graduated 4 years ago

>>10591023
So leaving college makes you a cynical faggot who stops drinking beer they once loved because they aren't supposed to, and there is "better" beer out there? Imo there is no American beer even close to beating German/Austrian, and Czech beer. But I still enjoy the fuck out of my light beer.

>>10591048
I think it's the same thing as tea, the flavor isn't super bold, but it is still tasty and refreshing, plus craft beer is just not refreshing, it's heavier and I would much rather a light beer over an IPA/wheat after a long day working in the sun

There is no reason for the hate, just a bunch of faggots trying to justify being autistic over beer

[Anonymous No.10591421]

>>10589068
No. The throwback is aesthetic af

[Anonymous No.10591423]

>>10591376
>So leaving college makes you a cynical faggot who stops drinking beer they once loved
Once loved is a strange way of wording it. I drank a lot of cheap beer in college because that is what was there, it was fine but I have absolutely no desire to regress to that again, and am not nostalgic for it.
>Imo there is no American beer even close to beating German/Austrian, and Czech beer
Well thats just fucking silly. America makes an insane variety of excellent beers, by far the best selection in the world, plus you can still buy Euro beers in America, how is the fact that you like Euro beer possible a point in favor of drinking shitty light beer?
>plus craft beer is just not refreshing
I disagree. Some of it is heavy, but there are plenty of less heavy and tasty craft beers like most APAs or wheat beers. There is literally no situation where a light beer is the best choice

[Anonymous No.10591433]

>>10590699
Busch is disgusting

[Anonymous No.10591489]

>>10591423
Yes America has a serious amount of craft beers, and being close to new orleans i have tried a shit ton, none of which have ever came close to even touching how good beer is over there, people try to circle jerk their own breweries n shit, but they all taste the same. And yeah you can get Euro beer over here but we all know it isn't the same, don't be an idiot, but judging by your posts you clearly haven't been anywhere near european beer

The fact that I love Euro beer and still drink light beer is what i'm getting at, it's still pretty good

Stop being a cynical faggot with a superiority complex and just admit that light beer isn't bad, just because I don't drink the hydrogen infused triple hops chocolate malt stout pale ale, doesn't mean your taste buds are better

[Anonymous No.10591494]

>>10591376
Forgive me for assuming you stopped drinking garbage beer when you grew a beard and came to your senses

[Anonymous No.10591495]

>>10591433
Beer
U
Sissies
Can't
Handle

Grow a dick faggot

[Anonymous No.10591497]

>>10589068
Stop living in 2002 and actually embrace the change for once.

[Anonymous No.10591520]

>>10591494
>hurr durr my faggot fruity IPA isn't as shitty as a nationally loved and very popular light beer
God why the fuck are beerlets so gay, if you really liked beer you would appreciate all aspects of all beer

[Anonymous No.10591530]

>>10591495
I'll drink hamms and high life all day. Even OE. Busch is seriously bottom of the barrel

[Anonymous No.10591533]

>>10591489
>nd being close to new orleans i have tried a shit ton
The south is way the fuck behind the rest of the country. Like probably 10 years behind most of the north

>none of which have ever came close to even touching how good beer is over there
You are probably just mixing in your sentiments about being on vacation and letting it cloud your judgement. Even in a beer desert like the deep south, you probably have better access to beer than the vast majority of Europeans

You really seem offbase on a lot of this. And I pretty clearly never said light beer is "bad", its just much worse than many other really available things and has no place in a post college adult's life with the modern selection available to all of us. And how am I being cynical when you are saying "they all taste the same"

[Anonymous No.10591562]

>>10591533
>at least we're not the south
Midwesterner detected

[Anonymous No.10591570]

>>10591533
> Even in a beer desert like the deep south, you probably have better access to beer than the vast majority of Europeans
>Southern Beer is 10 years behind the north

[Anonymous No.10591579]

>>10591533
>having an opinion this shitty

[Anonymous No.10591580]

>>10591562
What? The guy specifically said he was from the south

[Anonymous No.10591593]

>>10591580
>>10591579
>>10591570
Solid argument guy

The south is at least 10 years back, but thats ok, they are still doing better than anyone in the world was only a generation ago

[Anonymous No.10591601]

>>10591593
All this really indicates is that some states have an environment where the barriers to entry are low. Otherwise by this logic Illinois and New Jersey are antediluvian shit holes where child marriage and lynchings are still legal.

[Anonymous No.10591603]

>>10591580
Are you illiterate?

>>10591593
>quantity=quality
lmao nice graph from 2015 buddy

[Anonymous No.10591615]

>>10591603
The map is specifically the quantity of quality brewers

[Anonymous No.10591619]

>>10591601
>All this really indicates is that some states have an environment where the barriers to entry are low
Yeah, I am sure there are no cultural reasons for those barriers

>where child marriage and lynchings are still legal.
What does any of that have to do with beer culture?

[Anonymous No.10591627]

>>10589068
Honestly I miss that era of design in general.

Pepsi looked like pic related, and many other brands had this style as well. Now everything is just flat colours and plain sans serif fonts that all look identical.

[Anonymous No.10591630]

>>10591593
also the graph doesn't take in to account dry counties that don't allow any of that shit, also the fact that new orleans has couple less breweries than Portland kinda makes that shit fall apart, Portland has 17 microbreweries while New Orleans has 14

>>10591615
>The states with the most craft breweries in 2015
I'm kinda convinced your reading comprehension is very low

[Anonymous No.10591634]

>>10591603
>guy says america sucks, mediocre central european lager is better than America, and light beer is also good and better than good beer
>guy's views are clearly shaped by being from the south, the worst place in America for beer, but still outrageously bad views and indefensible even with the selection of a southerner
>somehow you take that as a comment on the midwest
Help me follow your logic

[Anonymous No.10591644]

>>10591630
>also the graph doesn't take in to account dry counties that don't allow any of that shit
What do you mean? How does it not account for them? It is literally just breweries per number of people, how are dry counties related at all?

Craft brewery is shorthand for good brewery. Having a lot of craft brewers means having a lot of high quality beer

>lso the fact that new orleans has couple less breweries than Portland
Keep in mind that city limits are arbitrary political boundaries

[Anonymous No.10591652]

>>10591634
>Northern education
Let me spell it out so babby can understand, you were talking about how the south was years behind the north, he say "Midwesterner detected" to say that mid westerners are generally the douchebags who rag on the south even though they are exactly the same

it would be like you saying "gays are bad" and he'd say homophobe detected, the joke is that he is calling you that.

>>10591644
>how are dry counties related to the discussion of beer and breweries
hmmmm, I really don't know, maybe the fact that breweries can't be in dry counties?

>>10591644
>Craft brewery is shorthand for good brewery. Having a lot of craft brewers means having a lot of high quality beer
Keep in mind that city limits are arbitrary political boundaries
Okay i'm done, you've passed the retard limits

[Anonymous No.10591682]

>>10591652
>you were talking about how the south was years behind the north, he say "Midwesterner detected" to say that mid westerners are generally the douchebags who rag on the south even though they are exactly the same
First of all, you are reading way too much into that statement. Also the midwest is no more like the south than the south is like any other region, thats either wishful thinking on the part of a southerner, or utter ignorance on the part of a coastie

>I really don't know, maybe the fact that breweries can't be in dry counties
So what? They shouldn't count because the locals choose to make laws saying they can't brew? What ridiculous logic, if anything, the fact that the south harbors so many dry counties is direct evidence against your point

[Anonymous No.10591686]

>>10591652
>mid westerners are generally the douchebags who rag on the south
Have you not been in almost every thread here where people from NY/Ca are constantly complaining about the interior states?

[Anonymous No.10591703]

>>10591652
City limits are not useful things for compiling data. State boundaries while also somewhat arbitrary are broad enough that they can give u a better idea of a region's character.
City boundaries are not useful because what is technically in a city, and what is considered a suburb is different in every other city, there is no standard, if you want meaningful data you must cite metro area based data.
Having said all of that, it makes sense that New Orleans is better than most of the south because of its different cultural heritage. Like most of the midwest and Northeast, New Orleans is a traditionally catholic area, unlike the rest of the south which is traditionally evangelical and hostile to catholicism. There is a very strong correlation in America to traditionally catholic areas and good drinking culture, both because evangelicals are fucking insane and because most catholic areas aren't very religious anymore